REGENXBIO Inc. (RGNX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

October 3, 2022

NASDAQ US Health Care Biotechnology special 66 min

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Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the REGENXBIO Update Call on RGX-314 for the Treatment of wet AMD. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Ken Mills, Chief Executive Officer. You may begin.

Kenneth Mills

executive
#2

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us so early. We're pleased this morning to be sharing new interim data from our Phase II AAVIATE trial of RGX-314 for the treatment of patients with wet AMD using suprachoroidal delivery. Here on the call this morning to discuss the data are Dr. Steve Pakola, our Chief Medical Officer; Dr. Arshad Khanani, who will be joining us to share his thoughts and for Q&A. Dr. Khanani is an undisputed leader in the retina community and a strong advocate for patients. He's the Director of Clinical Research at Sierra Eye Associates, preeminent retinal surgeons and one of the clinical investigators involved in our RGX-314 clinical program. Throughout the call, you can follow along with the slides available on our website or in the webcast. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Steve to talk through in greater detail about the new interim Phase II AAVIATE data.

Steve Pakola

executive
#3

Thank you, Ken. Both we and our global strategic partner, AbbVie, are excited about the continued progress advancing RGX-314 for the treatment of wet AMD, including the 2 ongoing pivotal trials evaluating onetime subretinal delivery of RGX-314 as well as the AAVIATE trial evaluating RGX-314 suprachoroidal delivery in wet AMD for which we are presenting new data this morning. I will be using slides that are available under the Media Presentations and Publications section of our website. Please take note of our forward-looking statements, Slide 3. Today's conference call will include forward-looking statements regarding our regulatory and product development plans. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ from these forecasts. Now before we jump into the data, just a quick reminder on routes of administration on Slide 4. There are 3 main approaches to deliver gene therapy to the back of the eye. For RGX-314, we are assessing onetime administration via the subretinal route in our pivotal program for the treatment of wet AMD and are also investigating delivery into the suprachoroidal space, using the in-office SCS microinjector in Phase II trials for the treatment of wet AMD and diabetic retinopathy. This suprachoroidal approach can potentially expand patient access to RGX-314 into the in-office setting. And today, we are pleased to provide interim data from the ongoing AAVIATE trial in patients with wet AMD and announced the expansion of this trial. Moving to Slide 5. RGX-314 utilizes a novel AAV8 vector encoding a gene for an anti-VEGF monoclonal antibody fragment with the goal of sustained protein production by the patient's retinal cells, which may result in effective long-term VEGF suppression. Moving to Slide 6. The AAVIATE trial is a multicenter, open-label, randomized, active controlled, dose-escalation study evaluating the efficacy, safety and tolerability of suprachoroidal delivery of RGX-314 in patients with wet AMD. Patients in Cohorts 1 through 5 did not receive prophylactic steroids. On Slide 7, the primary end point of the trial is mean change from baseline in best corrected visual acuity, or BCVA, at week 40. Other end points include mean change in central retinal thickness and number of anti-VEGF intravitreal injections received following RGX-314. In terms of where we are today, earlier this year, we announced the completion of dosing in all 5 cohorts across 3 dose levels, including cohorts of patients who are NAb- as well as NAb+ at entry into the study. The update we are providing today is the interim 6-month results for the first 4 cohorts and overall safety analysis for all enrolled subjects in Cohorts 1 through 5. The next slide, Slide 8, highlights the baseline characteristics for all patients in Cohorts 1 through 5, which continue to be well balanced across cohorts. Of note, patients across cohorts had a high anti-VEGF treatment burden on entry into the study. Turning to the updated safety data on Slide 9. Based on the data cutoff of August 1, interim data shows that RGX-314 continues to be well tolerated across Cohorts 1 through 5 at all 3 escalating dose levels in a setting of no prophylactic steroids. There were no drug-related ocular or systemic SAEs and no cases of chorioretinal vasculitis or occlusion or hypotony. For the total group of Cohorts 1 through 4, the cohorts with 6-month results available, common treatment-emergent adverse events through 6 months in the study eye were conjunctival hemorrhage, increased intraocular pressure, episcleritis and conjunctival hyperemia. A higher rate of mild to moderate intraocular pressure or IOI was observed in Cohort 4 than in Cohorts 1 through 3. Across cohorts, IOI predominantly presented as anterior cells on slit lamp examination, and all cases of IOI resolved on topical steroids. The incidence and severity of episcleritis in Cohort 4 was consistent with the previous cohorts, and all cases were mild and resolved on topical steroids or NSAID treatment. Of note, at dose level 2, looking at NAb- and NAb+ Cohorts 2 and 3, there does not appear to be a meaningful difference based on pre-existing NAb status. On Slide 10, this graph shows that subjects treated with a single injection of RGX-314 and those dosed with ranibizumab every month demonstrated stable BCVA over 6 months. Both the mean BCVA from day 1 to month 6 and from week 1 pre-RGX-314 treatment to month 6 as shown in the upper and lower figures, respectively, had overlapping confidence intervals. On Slide 11, this graph shows the mean central retinal thickness from screening through 6 months. Subjects treated with a single RGX-314 injection and subjects dosed with ranibizumab every month demonstrated stable central retinal thickness at 6 months. The next 3 slides are swimmer plots that show the frequency of injection for each patient across cohorts both before and after RGX-314 and looks at the percent change in annualized injection rate after RGX-314 compared to the annualized injection rate prior to receiving the RGX-314 onetime treatment. On Slide 12, as previously reported with dose level 1 in Cohort 1, we see a 76% reduction in injection burden and some patients not receiving any injections over 6 months. On Slide 13, for dose level 2, we see a similar reduction in injection burden of 72% in NAb- Cohort 2 and 64% in NAb+ Cohort 3, and more than 1/3 of the patients are injection-free in both cohorts through 6 months. Notice that there does not appear to be a meaningful difference based on pre-existing NAb status. And now on Slide 14, our first cohort in dose level 3, Cohort 4 NAb- patients, we see an impressive 85% reduction in treatment burden at 6 months with 2/3 of patients injection free. Slide 15 presents the annualized injection rates, both pre- and post-RGX-314 administration across cohorts. We're pleased to see there is a dramatic decrease in injection burden across cohorts with the highest reduction to date achieved at dose level 3 in Cohort 4. On Slide 16, looking at the subgroup of patients who are injection-free through 6 months, a single RGX-314 injection demonstrated stable BCVA and central retinal thickness in these patients. Given the outcomes observed for visual acuity and retinal thickness, as well as the clinically meaningful reduction in treatment burden with the highest reduction in dose level 3, we have expanded the AAVIATE trial to include a new Cohort 6 at the same third dose level as Cohorts 4 and 5 with a short course of prophylactic ocular steroids following our RGX-314 administration to potentially prevent the observed incidence of mild to moderate IOI. This cohort will be inclusive of patients independent of preexisting NAb status. Subjects will also be receiving an additional anti-VEGF injection before and after RGX-314 treatment, similar to our ongoing subretinal RGX-314 pivotal wet AMD program. So on Slide 18, to summarize the interim update today. RGX-314 treated patients across all cohorts continue to demonstrate stable vision and retinal thickness at 6 months with a reduction in treatment burden across all dose levels, regardless of whether patients entered the trial with preexisting AAV8 NAb. We are very encouraged to see the meaningful reductions in treatment burden at 6 months across all dose levels with the highest reduction seen at the third dose level. These interim results have added to our knowledge of the emerging clinical profile of a single injection of RGX-314 administered suprachoroidally for the treatment of wet AMD. We look forward to applying these learnings to the newly expanded Cohort 6 that will allow us to further evaluate dose level 3 with a short course of prophylactic ocular steroids intended to potentially prevent the observed mild to moderate IOI. I take this opportunity to acknowledge the study patients, the investigators, the REGENXBIO and AbbVie teams for all their efforts to advance this first-ever evaluation of gene therapy via the suprachoroidal route of administration. I'd now like to turn to Dr. Khanani to hear his perspectives on this update of interim results. Arshad is an investigator in the trial and also an expert clinician and experienced clinical trialist across all of the retina experimental agents out there. I think it would be great for us to hear your perspective on this interim data and particularly what you think is most noteworthy as you evaluate this in the context of how you think of treating your patients with wet AMD.

Arshad Khanani

attendee
#4

Thank you, Steve. It's happy to be -- I'm happy to be here. It's a pleasure. So I think a few things you highlighted that are very promising. The first thing, obviously, this is the first trial for suprachoroidal delivery of gene therapy in the clinic. So that is very meaningful for me as a clinician. If I can deliver gene therapy in a safe and effective setting in clinic, I can help a large number of my patients who are suffering from neovascular AMD. The other thing is the fact that we are dose escalating to make sure that we look at efficacy as well as safety and finding the dose in the dose level 3 with 85% reduction in annualized injection rate and 67% of my patients or the patients in the trial injection free, that is very meaningful as a clinician for an approach in clinic. And then obviously, gene therapy is a paradigm shift. It's a new way to treat this chronic disease where we know that patients lose vision over time due to undertreatment. But at the same time, safety has to be balanced. And it's good to see that the inflammation we are seeing with suprachoroidal delivery is a short onset. It's not chronic, and it resolves quickly and doesn't stay for a long time. So I think that safety profile is very meaningful for us as clinicians because we don't want to have inflammation that stays for a long time, requires up and down treatment, on and off treatment. Here, we know that the inflammation happened between 2 to 6 weeks and resolved a short course of days or weeks of ocular steroids. So overall, I'm really excited to see that we are seeing an efficacy level that is very meaningful and a safety profile that is very acceptable for retina specialists treating patients with neovascular AMD.

Steve Pakola

executive
#5

Great. Thanks so much, Arshad, for those perspectives. And now I'm going to turn the call back over to Ken.

Kenneth Mills

executive
#6

Thanks, Steve and Dr. Khanani, for your perspective, and we'll hear more both of you soon in our Q&A, but let me just provide a quick summary of all of our updates today that we shared and also share a few final thoughts before moving on. We continue to be encouraged about the potential impact of RGX-314 and what it could have for millions of patients facing vision loss from wet AMD. Over the weekend at AAO, we were pleased to share new positive interim long-term follow-up data from the Phase I/IIa trial of RGX-314 for the treatment of wet AMD using our subretinal delivery method, where RGX-314 continues to be well tolerated and demonstrates durable treatment effect now reported out to 4 years. Remember, this Phase I/IIa trial preceded our 2 ongoing pivotal studies, atmosphere and a sense that support our plans for a BLA filing in 2024 and we expect this evidence of 4-year durability to provide valuable support for our planned BLA submission. The interim updates from our AAVIATE trial this morning are exciting. We continue to evaluate the profile of RGX-314 in this Phase II study and consider its potential for transition into pivotal phase. Overall, we're looking forward to continuing to drive the RGX-314 program as a key part of our 5x25 strategy. And finally, as Steve acknowledged, we're nearing the 1-year point in our strategic partnership with AbbVie to develop and commercialize RGX-314. And for me, the past year really reinforces that they are a strong and complementary partner for REGENXBIO and that the teams together continue to leverage REGENX's and AbbVie's leading capabilities in gene therapy and global development and commercial infrastructure within eye care. Together, we aim to make remarkable impact for millions of patients suffering from vision loss associated with retinal disease. So at this point, we're going to turn the call over, operator, for questions.

Operator

operator
#7

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Dane Leone of Raymond James.

Dane Leone

analyst
#8

Thank you for updating the data with RGX-314 and the commentary around the ongoing clinical development. Two questions from me. One, a strategy question and then one a fairly simple data question that I know is everyone -- on everyone's mind. So the first strategy question was with Cohort 4 and now that the planned additional cohort with the prophylactic ocular steroid use. What -- where do you think the end goal of this study is? So you've built up -- you've added cohorts as you've gone along to investigate what the profile of the drug is, what the dose intensity needs to be. But maybe just remind us of where you think you need to get to clinically on an efficacy standpoint and safety standpoint to then begin a pivotal study and how that pivotal study could potentially be designed and on what end points? And then just a very specific question. For those patients that did experience intraocular inflammation in Cohort 4, can you just confirm what the longest period of inflammation was and whether that's been resolved at this point and whether all patients are now off any support of ocular steroids?

Kenneth Mills

executive
#9

Great. Steve, do you want to take those?

Steve Pakola

executive
#10

Sure. Thanks for the question. So starting with what are we looking for, what's our target as we go forward, as Arshad mentioned, we learn with each cohort in this escalating design. And this being the first ever study in this route of administration, it's really a great opportunity. And that is why we started without prophylactic steroids to really conservatively fully evaluate both safety and efficacy. And we're already seeing really excellent results from our perspective. Cohort 6 is a great opportunity for us to get more exposures in both NAb- and NAb+ patients now that we haven't seen a real impact based on NAbs. And I think the other aspect I'd say is with our global partner, we look at and get excited about this interim data, and we plan with AbbVie. So this is a partnership where we consider learning as we go in this first-ever study. And I think our target hasn't really changed. And certainly, the meaningful reductions that we're seeing, I think, are very encouraging but certainly to evaluate what will we see in a setting of prophylactic steroids and also directionally, the fact that we're including additional anti-VEGF run-in injection that is exactly how we are utilizing upfront anti-VEGF injections in our subretinal pivotal studies. So we think directionally that can also further inform what type of efficacy we can see to then consider how we go into pivotal. On your second part of that first question, pivotal really -- we have a long history in the space. We evaluated subretinal. We're in pivotal with subretinal. A lot of the same considerations are at play just with a different in-office route of administration. So I think the regulatory path would not be too different and, again, something that we would be advancing in discussions with AbbVie. On your second question about the IOI in Cohort 4, I confirm that, yes, all those cases were fit with the time course and the easily responding to topical steroids and resolving, or all resolved on topical steroids.

Operator

operator
#11

[Operator Instructions] Our next from Alec Stranahan with Bank of America.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#12

This is [ John ], and I'm on for Alec. So I guess, the first question, kind of, I want to ask for Dr. Khanani. So as compared to subretinal or just for suprachoroidal in general, as an administration pathway. You did mention that it does have acceptable safety profile. So I guess my question would be, what kind of safe drug would be considered acceptable? And if you could put that in perspective of the current landscape as compared to Lucentis, EYLEA, that would be really appreciated, if you have the experience using those drugs. So that's my first question. I think second question is for the management. I think if we're looking at the current wet AMD and neovascular AMD landscape, we do see kind of the 3 players in the market having shifted a lot in the past year or so. So I guess the question would be, how do you think the 3 or 4 would be able to position against the current landscape?

Arshad Khanani

attendee
#13

Thanks for the question. So I think, first, to just kind of answer how do we -- how do we utilize current available agents. A majority of our patients with neovascular AMD to the first-generation agents like Lucentis and EYLEA need injections 4 to 8 weeks. And that's where most of the patients sit, and that's what causes a high treatment burden leading to missed appointments, long-term vision loss as time goes due to undertreatment, CST fluctuation. In terms of the newer agents that we have available Vabysmo and then we saw the data at AAO with high-dose EYLEA. We are just increasing incrementally the treatment interval by 1 week or 2 weeks or 3 weeks or 4 weeks on patients. So -- so the current patients that are sitting between 4 to 8 weeks, may go, 10 weeks, they go 12 weeks. So it is in advance for the field, obviously, to decrease treatment burden. But at the same time, we know that patients, even with less frequent injections eventually get the fatigue and then they drop off. So the excitement about onetime gene therapy that's delivered in clinic, obviously, is from both from patient’s as well as clinician’s perspective. From a patient perspective, if you have a safe and effective treatment in clinic, that means that can be given to a majority of the patients that have this disease. And if they need supplemental injections, we can obviously give the supplemental injections on top of it. But if we can keep majority of our patients injection-free with an in-clinic injection approach. That goes as close to be considered very early in the treatment course. And so it's more coming close to an early option than a late option that people consider gene therapy as a secondary option. But now if you have an efficacy profile, that is excellent and majority of the patients are injection-free and the safety profile that only utilizes a short course of ocular steroids. And if we continue to see the positive vision and OCT data. And if you continue to see a favorable safety profile, this approach in clinic can be very meaningful compared to frequent injections that are given in clinic.

Kenneth Mills

executive
#14

Thanks, Arshad. And [ John ], to address your second question, I mean, I think I'm just going to build off of what Arshad was talking about, what we're seeing in terms of the potential opportunity for gene therapy in general and certainly RGX-314, we view as the sort of latest stage of development of any gene therapy today is that the unique profile of a onetime treatment. We reported over the weekend, Dr. Campochiaro presented from some of the first patients that ever received RGX-314 showing durable response out to 4 years in some of those patients continuing to be injection 3. We're seeing -- making decisions on moving things forward into pivotal phase with subretinal or with respect to our suprachoroidal assessments of a minimum baseline interest of 50% of patients injection free measurable time points as part of our studies. And -- now we're seeing that durability as well. We just don't see a target product profile out there that's like that. And we continue to hear from the clinics and do assessments commercially with the AbbVie team and the REGENX team that while these new incremental treatments that are coming to the market are addressing some patients, they're not addressing all. And in fact, there still continues to be a large population of patients in the spectrum of wet AMD that continue to have high treatment burden no matter what they're offered as first-line therapy. And we consider that to be an important and meaningful commercial market for AAV gene therapy and RGX-314 in wet AMD and another indication.

Operator

operator
#15

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Vikram Purohit with Morgan Stanley.

Gospel Enyindah-Asonye

analyst
#16

This is Gospel on for Vikram. We have one question. And my question is -- what is your current thinking as to why the intraocular inflammation has been observed with the suprachoroidal delivery?

Steve Pakola

executive
#17

Thanks for the question. We -- in our preclinical study didn't see intraocular inflammation or inflammation. But of course, preclinical studies don't always translate and often don't completely translate into the clinic, and that's why we do the studies. And that's why we started with a very clean, conservative approach without just including prophylactic steroids because we wanted to see what type of characteristics we would see if there was inflammation that would occur. So why? Historically, we know with subretinal we have an immune privileged space or relatively immune privileged space, and that's been very helpful for the subretinal program where we don't need to have prophylactic steroids. And we also already knew we didn't need to worry about preexisting neutralizing antibodies. Suprachoroidal space is a different space, fortunately, it's a compartmentalized space and you can deliver treatment locally, which are the reasons why we chose suprachoroidal because we felt directionally that, that should help both in terms of efficacy and also safety to prevent migration of product the way that can occur with intravitreal administration. So all those factors, I think, are very supportive in our way, although intraocular inflammation has been seen as Arshad summarized from his perspective and how we and AbbVie see it, this is easily manageable. And we now have a great opportunity to see if we can even mitigate that further with short-course prophylactic steroids.

Operator

operator
#18

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Gena Wang with Barclays.

Huidong Wang

analyst
#19

I have 2 questions. The first one is on Slide 9. So the safety summary, I did not see Cohort 5 data there. I'm just wondering -- since it's already dosed, wondering what is the inflammation rate for Cohort 5? And what is the longest you use for the steroid on patients to mitigate the inflammation? And the second question is for Dr. Khanani. If we look at Slide 14, so the Cohort 4, we show efficacy data, 67% injection free, we also have 85% injection reduction. So are these -- which numbers is more important to you? And do you see gene therapy already reaching the minimum clinical benefit using these numbers?

Kenneth Mills

executive
#20

Maybe Arshad, do you want to take Gena's question first, then we can circle back on her other questions?

Arshad Khanani

attendee
#21

Yes, absolutely. So Gena, that's a great question. As clinicians, we want to have a treatment where we can reduce treatment burden significantly. And if we can eliminate the need for injections, that's a big bonus. So if you look at 67% injection free for an in-clinic approach that is very promising as a clinician because I can tell these patients who were receiving frequent injections in the past that there's a good chance that they may not need injection. And if they need injection, then the number of injections you need will be much less. So overall, this dose level is giving us efficacy data that is really meaningful as a clinician practicing. As you know, the landscape is changing with treatment of geographic atrophy and other things that may come in the future, as well as my prior point, patients losing vision due to under treatment. If we can treat majority of our patients with this single onetime in-clinic approach and then give supplemental treatment for those who need additional treatment or top of injections, this can really change our long-term outcomes, in my opinion, where patients may be able to preserve vision longer and under treatment will become less with gene therapy being utilized in clinic.

Steve Pakola

executive
#22

Gena, back to your first question on Cohort 5. So as you know, this is an ongoing study. And when we do these interim updates, we basically have to go based on the data that we have as of the time point that we're proceeding with. And in spite of that, though, we always do take into account overall safety in terms of SAEs and any significant findings across all the cohorts even for ones who don't have the full duration of follow-up that we're looking at, at a given time point. When we look at common AEs, and this is how we've always done it based on just the scientific validity of comparing apples-to-apples, having the same duration of follow-up so that we know with Cohorts 1 through 4, we have the same duration of follow-up so that we can really compare and think about the rates that we're seeing and the characteristics that we're seeing of the common AE. So we basically follow the same approach. We did complete enrollment of Cohort 5, as you know as well earlier in the year. We just didn't have the 6-month follow-up. I can say that, of course, we are announcing that we're expanding to Cohort 6 with that same dose and that we are including patients whether they're NAb+ or negative. And on your question about the steroid treatment in patients. So again, the IOI resolves in days to weeks, the standard approach taken by clinicians is they then taper the steroids over multiple weeks since you never just take patients rapidly off steroids. So then the actual duration of the steroids, topical steroids can extend a few more weeks than that.

Operator

operator
#23

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Ellie Merle with UBS.

Eliana Merle

analyst
#24

Can you just elaborate a little bit more on the use of topical steroids like how long they were used as well as with the intraocular inflammation, just what the average duration was of the inflammation? And then was there any relationship between the intraocular inflammation with the efficacy reported weather between BCBA of the patients or in terms of the number of VEGF injections received? And then I know this was touched on earlier, but just can you kind of elaborate a little bit in terms of like any more specifics around the time lines where you might consider moving into pivotal trials that suprachoroidal delivery, would you potentially dose higher beyond those Level 3, I guess, if you're -- like depending on how the [ prophy ] steroids look? Or what sort of the dose level 3 be the dose level that you would use in a pivotal trial?

Kenneth Mills

executive
#25

Thanks, Ellie.

Steve Pakola

executive
#26

Thanks, Ellie. So the characteristics in terms of time course. So fortunately, we -- if you're going to develop intraocular inflammation, you see it earlier than later. So we can observe for that. And it does resolve in days to weeks on treatment and very manageable. But since we have Arshad -- Dr. Khanani on the line, maybe you could give your perspective on what you've seen both in terms of the results here and your own experience in terms of IOI.

Arshad Khanani

attendee
#27

Steve, absolutely. So I've been an investigator in subretinal, suprachoroidal as well as multiple intravitreal gene therapy programs. And I think when we're looking at just numbers of intraocular inflammation, I think we need to know what this information looks like as a clinician perspective, as a patient perspective. So as you know, after seeing inflammation with brolucizumab, all of us are very, very vigilant with looking for inflammation, especially in gene therapy patients because we have seen and learned a lot from inflammation we saw with the intravitreal gene therapy program. For all my patients in AAVIATE study, and we are one of the tough sites for the study. I'll tell you, this inflammation is essentially minimal in majority of the patients and its anterior chamber cells. So if I see a few anterior chamber cells floating without patients having any complaints, I will still say that this is inflammation. While in other programs with where inflammation was an issue, we saw KPs, we saw vitritis, we saw significant amount of inflammation where patients will come in with [ TTs ] vision. So here [Audio Gap] all my patients in this trial had new cells in the anterior chamber, at least my patients. And we introduced a short topical steroids regimen and they all come back and the inflammation resolved. And of course, we're also watching for the fact that we don't want this to be recurrent where it comes and goes. And none of my patients had to be retreated. And the patients were not complaining of anything. It's just that we are very, very vigilant. We want to make sure that if there are any cells floating in the anterior chamber, we catch them. And that's the experience I have from suprachoroidal delivery. I can easily tell you as an investigator, there's a clear difference in terms of the amount of inflammation, in terms of kind of inflammation, in terms of duration of inflammation that we are seeing with suprachoroidal delivery versus intravitreal. And that's why I'm excited that this is an in-clinic approach. Of course, it's a novel approach, and we are all learning together. So we need to continue to follow these patients for long-term safety and efficacy and look for any signals that are new in terms of safety, we need to be vigilant, of course. But at the same time, we have now data from this trial in terms of efficacy and safety, and we have found that those that is clinically meaningful with a favorable safety profile, in my opinion. I think this is very good for our patients suffering from chronic disease like neovascular AMD.

Kenneth Mills

executive
#28

Thanks, Arshad. And Ellie, I think your second question, I think we're hearing a theme here from a few of you, it probably relates all the way really to Dane's first question, which is about strategy and sort of where are we in the development of RGX-314 with suprachoroidal delivery. I think that like the background for the work that we're doing here is certainly guided by the experience and the plans that we put in place toward the subretinal program. I mean I think we were having a lot of engagements understanding the pharmacology of RGX-314 at that time, assessing the profile of efficacy, safety using those metrics like BCVA, CRT reduction in injection burden as kind of the variables that we balance. And I think ultimately, we had a really rigorous process. And then when we came to the FDA to talk about a pivotal plan, we were including things like we knew we wanted to bring 2 doses forward into a pivotal phase of development. We were thinking about sort of the size and scope of that plan and the probability of success. And here we are meaningfully executing on atmosphere in a sense. We're using that experience as real guidepost here. And at the same time, it's a different set of variables in some cases with respect to suprachoroidal. I mean, as Steve alluded to, the intraocular inflammation profile here that Arshad just referred to, we view as mild as something that is acceptable with respect to a target product profile, and we didn't see it preclinically. So we're seeing it for the first time clinically. And I think the investigative teams at REGENX and AbbVie and in collaboration with our clinical trial investigators here are saying, let's make sure we understand this and see if we can aggregate some of this with the introduction of Cohort 6 before moving into a pivotal phase. And everything else that we're talking about and showing data on, I think, is very similar to the subretinal program looking at BCVA, looking at CRT, looking at those meaningful reductions in injection burden. When we get over 50%, when we get over 70% into the 80% injection burden reduction, when we see more than 50% of patients at 6 months meaningfully injection free, we're certainly feeling like that's part of our target product profile. We've stated that about subretinal. We don't have different views for suprachoroidal. We see ourselves in that range right now, but these are interim results we're still exploring. We're incredibly encouraged that we're on the right path to make good decisions about expanding this value and taking the step in the pivotal phase. And I know we've got the right team involved to do that.

Operator

operator
#29

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Luca Issi with RBC.

Luca Issi

analyst
#30

Great. Congrats on the data. Maybe 2, if I may. One on subretinal. Any additional color in the patients in Cohort 5 that have the significant vision decrease during the long-term follow-up? How many letters did that patient lose? When did it happen? Was that drug related? Any change to the Phase III? Like any color there would be great. And then for maybe suprachoroidal. I know early days, but you, at this point, have a relatively robust data set. So any early hypothesis on who are the patients that remain injection-free versus not? Is there any biomarker that you could potentially use prospectively to select patients? Any thoughts there would be great.

Steve Pakola

executive
#31

Luca, I'll take the first one first. So you're referring to the subretinal first-in-human long-term follow-up data that Peter Campochiaro presented over the weekend, where we have the 4-year results for Cohort 3. There was one patient in Cohort 5, which is that high dose that we have not carried forward into pivotal development that in long-term follow-up had significant vision decrease. So more than -- we think of 3 to 6 lines of vision in fitting that category of very significant vision decrease. Important point here is that this was not an unexpected finding, and it really actually corroborates everything we did in our evaluation of the Phase I/II study before we finalize the pivotal program, where you'll recall that we had 2 other subjects who had superior bleb placement in that trial with the high-dose Cohort 5 that had macular pigmentation with significant vision loss. And this is -- this third patient actually also was a superior bleb that had macular pigmentation. So it's not surprising with the high dose with a superior bleb that can migrate and track through the macula that this can happen. But this is exactly why we did all the mitigations with our DMC, with our investigators and carry forward then ultimately with the same plan for the second pivotal with AbbVie on board with mitigations of not going with that dose and not injecting superiorly and those factors give us great confidence that we can keep the bleb content away from the macula and prevent this kind of finding. So key thing is not unexpected, is very consistent with what we knew before with that dose and with superior blebs, which we no longer do either of those things. Your other question on -- can we read the tea leaves from this -- from the AAVIATE study who are the patients who might respond better or not. Here, we've learned a lot from all the work we've done in subretinal. And we know that patients who aren't very well controlled with even frequent anti-VEGF injections are not going to do as well with a gene therapy that delivers an anti-VEGF and that's what we've attempted to exclude that minority of patients with our inclusion, exclusion criteria, and that gives us confidence with this data translating that into Cohort 6. Going forward and following that same type of approach as we've done with the subretinal program but with a study this size, again, it is interim data from an ongoing study. So we don't really have enough to really make any kind of strong statements in terms of subgroup analyses.

Operator

operator
#32

[Operator Instructions] Next question comes from Andreas Argyrides with Wedbush.

Andreas Argyrides

analyst
#33

This is for, I guess, Dr. Khanani. With the cases of intraocular inflammation now observed, how does this influence your thoughts on the benefits of suprachoroidal versus intravitreal injection? And then I'll have a follow-up.

Arshad Khanani

attendee
#34

Thank you. I think being an investigator, as I mentioned earlier, seeing the cases that I've seen with intravitreal gene therapy versus suprachoroidal gene therapy, I think these cases here are very, very mild in many cases, minimal, but we do report them so that we can learn. This is a learning process for our first-time suprachoroidal gene therapy, and we need to make sure that we pay attention to everything. In intravitreal gene therapy we have seen the cases where we have long-term inflammation with the higher dose of gene therapy and patients having inflammation rebounds as we take out the steroids and then needing more than just topical at times to control the inflammation. Here, we treat these patients and it results very, very quickly and most of these patients, as I said, are asymptomatic. These are findings that we find on slit-lamp and the anterior chamber, we see anything that's different. We see a few cells floating we call -- we call it inflammation. So the route of delivery because remember in the suprachoroidal delivery, you are not exposing the iris and the celery body to the vector. You are going in a confined space and we didn't see any inflammation, as Steve said, in NHPs. But here, we are seeing some and it's a learning process. And the good news here is that we started at a lower dose and we are very carefully dose escalating. And then we found a dose -- there's dose level 3, which is a meaningful efficacy profile for our patients. I think of this therapy as therapy where I can offer to all or most of my patients because it's in clinic. And if you need more injections on top, we are still decreasing the treatment burden by 85%, which is very significant. So an AMD patient coming into my clinic, asking for treatment, and I tell them that I have a treatment where you can have significant reduction in treatment burden or maybe not required treatment. This is very, very exciting for them. So the safety profile so far for me as a clinician, as somebody who has been in the space and essentially seen in all -- this is not bothering me at all and I think it's a great idea to introduce a short course of prophylaxis so that we don't even see these cases after gene therapy has been delivered.

Andreas Argyrides

analyst
#35

Okay. A quick follow-up here. On that topic of prophylaxis, the decision to use or to not use a topical as opposed to an injection, what goes into that?

Arshad Khanani

attendee
#36

Well, I think it's a short course of ocular steroids now -- depending on compliance and other things, I think we need to make those decisions. But I think it's [ only a ] short course of ocular steroids. I don't think it's something that's not going to be received favorably by the community. The community will be totally fine with any intervention that's short, that doesn't have to be for 1 year or 2 year or forever in terms of prophylaxis. So a short prophylaxis will be widely accepted.

Steve Pakola

executive
#37

And one additional detail that I think will help is, this is not intraocular steroids. So we didn't want to have intraocular steroids and certainly not systemic, for example, oral steroids, so ocular steroids but not intraocular.

Operator

operator
#38

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Mani Foroohar with SVB Securities.

Mani Foroohar

analyst
#39

I just want to circle back on what's been touched on by a couple of different analysts. Obviously, with the change in the landscape, the emergence of high-dose EYLEA we're seeing more data from that. You have discussed their belief that there's some population of patients was going to remain meaningful unmet need. That's obviously trimming a little bit with greater and greater treatment extension periods with hydrocele et cetera. So the clinicians on the call, can you help us understand what proportion of patients are likely to be underserved and still need and need this potential approach, whether it's suprachoroidal subretinal in a world of broad availability of high-dose EYLEA, et cetera, all the different late-stage assets in development. Just help us understand where there's a potential population for this therapy that makes sense.

Steve Pakola

executive
#40

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Arshad Khanani

attendee
#41

Yes. Thanks, Steve. I think this is a great question. And I think it is very important to understand what this disease does to patients and how long this disease last. Essentially, we are treating patients through the rest of their life. It's a lifelong treatment for neovascular AMD unless patient, of course, decide to stop it. So we load patients with monthly injections and then we start to expand that treatment interval. I was in the session, I actually spoke after the high-dose EYLEA session. So I analyze all the data. And you actually see in that data set that there is recurrence of fluid pretty quickly. And yes, the overall numbers of extension to 4 months look promising, you still know that these patients have active disease. We are not curing disease with incremental benefit from Vabysmo from high-dose EYLEA. We are helping a lot of patients decrease their treatment burden, which is excellent for patients. But for a lifelong disease, if you were getting injections every 2 months and now you get every 3 months, it makes a difference in short term, but over time, the fatigue still kicks in. Or imagine patients getting sick, breaking their -- falling, having a hip fracture, cannot come to 2 for 6 months or 9 months or other things that happen, life comes in the way even if patients want to come in. So onetime treatment in clinic that can have continuous release of an anti-VEGF protein, it's amazing in that sense that we can offer it to pretty much all my patients the efficacy and safety profile continues to look good. So I'm not looking at a subset of patients that cannot go Q12 or Q16 weeks with high-dose EYLEA or with Vabysmo, my goal is to treat my patients to control their long-term disease. And if I have a treatment that can be given in clinic that is safe, obviously, safety is important. And so far, it looks like a short course of steroids not an issue in the kind of inflammation, which is in anterior chamber cells in most cases, it's not concerning, but of course, we continue to watch efficacy and safety. But this fits in a very different bucket than people are used to of thinking gene therapy. This is a quick injection. FDA has already approved a suprachoroidal steroids in the past and people are going to be familiar with this approach. And we'll just deliver it in clinic quickly and we are able to treat a large number of patients. So I think thinking about the patient population that can be eligible for this would be majority of the patients, in my opinion, in my clinic.

Mani Foroohar

analyst
#42

Okay. That's helpful. I guess from -- moving to a data question, Given that we're going to be -- that you're interested in a new cohort using a VEGF treatment, then 314, then VEGF again with steroid as well, how long do you think you'd have to follow that -- follow the [ synchronal ] cohort for the data to be interpretable given if it takes time for that to benefit from these 2 VEGF injections to play out, et cetera?

Steve Pakola

executive
#43

So here, we benefit from all the experience that we've had to date, not just with the existing cohorts here, but how we've implemented that approach in our subretinal program. So while there is the initial run-in doses, we have a very good handle from our own trials and from other trials on duration of effect from initial run-in doses. So I think the same time frame supply, it's just the type of efficacy we can see at, say, 6 months and a year, those typical time frames that we look at the results. So I think we're still in a good situation to consider looking at how much effect we have at 6 months and 12 months in Cohort 6.

Mani Foroohar

analyst
#44

Great. And a final question on regulatory strategy. Given that the -- on the current pivotal studies are on a non-inferiority basis against approved and available dosages of Vabysmo, respectively, do you expect to do separate studies to show non-inferiority versus high dose? And just like this is, I guess, more of a king question, like what is the commercial rationale during your that you could take share given that your label will be not inferior to a product that's no longer standard of care by the time you launch?

Kenneth Mills

executive
#45

So I think that you're bringing up good points about how we've implemented control arms in atmosphere in a sense, I think we've taken a balanced approach to think about sort of the regulatory considerations of non-inferiority and also the commercial market. I think we're the first company to think about using 2 pivotal studies with 2 different control arms, Lucentis and EYLEA, to give the label, to give investigators, to give the market an understanding that gene therapy can be considered compared head-to-head to 2 different interventions that are still by far today, Mani, the most highly used in our view. With respect to things that are emerging and coming forward, I mean, all of these are being approved also on the basis of non-inferiority and sort of comparability to existing data sets. And I think in many ways, we continue to view and I think Arshad, you could speak to this, maybe even referred to it from data over the weekend that some of these longer interval treatments are within the non-inferiority margins, but actually numerically slightly different and, in some cases, worse than what people are seeing historically with the high bar that every month at Lucentis and 8-week EYLEA have set. So I think we feel like we're actually foundationally in a really strong place from a regulatory perspective and have a pretty high bar commercially to be continuing to use those as control arms in pivotal phase studies. And I know that the REGENX and AbbVie teams will consider all of these factors as we evaluate suprachoroidal and its transition into pivotal. But I think it's actually the right approach that we've taken in subretinal to set the bar high. And I think we'll continue to do so because we want to show the benefits of gene therapy in these clinical studies. I don't know Steve or Arshad, if you have any more thoughts?

Arshad Khanani

attendee
#46

Yes, I have a quick comment. I completely agree with you. I think -- when we look at, let's say, the data from high-dose EYLEA, you're actually seeing that the vision is comparable, but it's actually a little bit worse as you go from 12 weeks to 8 weeks. And when you look at CST, you're not seeing a differential in loading phases of the disease. So if some patient gets monthly ranibizumab injection that is as good as it is going to get because many of these durability trials play with CST and vision criteria in patients who have fluid cannot get treatment unless they have vision loss or patients with vision loss cannot have treatment unless they have a lot of fluid. So I think as a field physician, look for agents that can control disease. And of course, meeting primary end point for high-dose EYLEA and having Vabysmo those are good things for patients. But that doesn't mean that if somebody gets injection monthly with Lucentis, they're going to do worse. They actually, in my opinion, going to do better because they're getting treatment as often as they can or somebody getting aflibercept every 8 weeks. That is a lot of treatment, and that is still the high bar. We still will need to learn about these long-acting drugs because, again, they are all directed based on how you design the trial and what rescue criteria you're using during the trial.

Operator

operator
#47

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Caroline Palomeque with Berenberg.

Caroline Palomeque

analyst
#48

Maybe just a follow-up for Dr. Khanani. Just thinking ahead to both delivery methods being available in the market, what is the scenario that a certain patient will be chosen to receive subretinal gene therapy over suprachoroidal? So is there a certain patient subset that you see as an ideal candidate for each?

Arshad Khanani

attendee
#49

That's a really good question. I think it's great to have options in clinic. So as you are aware that the subretinal program has shown excellent long-term data and a very good safety profile other than the segmentary changes, as Steve mentioned, and we have mitigated that by putting the blebs in fairly, a trip to the operating room, obviously, is one thing. But in that program, pseudophakia, or patients had to have cataract surgery. So when you do a vitrectomy, there is a higher incidence of cataracts. And that's why in the trial, only the patients that are post-surgical or post-cataract are included. So when I look at the differences. So here, the [ land ] status doesn't matter. And here, you are avoiding a trip to the operating room. So there are some patients with systemic conditions, or patients who don't want to have a treatment in the OR, this treatment will be very effective. But obviously, we'll learn as we go move forward with these programs and subretinal will be available sooner than supercoil approach. So subretinal for me still cannot be a primary approach for all patients. This is for a subset of patients. A large number of patients are actually excited. We are in the pivotal study in patients, the idea of one and done in majority and decreasing treatment burden resonate very well with my patients. So I'm thinking like maybe 20% to 25%, somewhere of my patients will prefer going to the OR. And then when SCS is available, as I said earlier, I am thinking of utilizing this broadly because it's an in-clinic approach. It's a quick procedure as long as we continue to see the safety profile that we have seen so far and the efficacy profile.

Operator

operator
#50

That does conclude today's presentation. You all may disconnect and have a wonderful day.

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