Rockwell Automation, Inc. (ROK) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
February 19, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Julian Mitchell
analystGood. Well, welcome back, everyone. It's my pleasure to have up next Blake Moret, Chairman and CEO of Rockwell Automation. Blake will, I think, go through a couple of slides first. And then we'll have some Q&A after that. So Blake, please go ahead.
Blake Moret
executiveGreat. Well, thanks for your interest this morning. Happy to be here in Miami from Milwaukee. And as Julian said, I'll take a couple of minutes to set the stage and then answer some questions. So to start with, for those of you who are not as familiar with Rockwell Automation, our exclusive purpose is to bring the Connected Enterprise to life for industrial companies. We integrate control, the basic automation of industrial processes, with the information through applying analytics to drive productivity for industrial companies and their people to help them become more productive as well as more sustainable, and that's an important part of our mission. We also focus on winning the right way, concentrating on long-term value through integrity and a sense of inclusion across our employee workforce. We introduced this framework for accelerating profitable growth at our November Investor Day. And so you see on the right side the different elements -- primary elements of our revenue. Certainly, it's continuing to grow at a multiple of industrial production in our core through innovative new products, like Independent Cart, through greater exposure to process-oriented industries, an increased and more aggressive posture in terms of growing outside of North America. It's also growing double digits with the Information Solutions and Connected Services, and we'll talk some more about that. I'm happy to say that for several years now, we've been on that double-digit growth pace, and we expect that to continue. And then increase use of acquisitions, and we'll talk a little bit more about that, all within a disciplined framework for financial performance with high conversion to profit on incremental revenue, disciplined approach to acquisitions and a fundamentally asset-light business where our value is in our intellectual property and in our expertise on the plant floor. We had some investments over the last few years that are working well for us, PTC was the largest. We're happy to say that we continue to see the pilots of this information software expanding to enterprise-wide rollouts. We're on track to more than double the business of Information Solutions and Connected Services to over $600 million in 2022 -- in our fiscal year 2022. Interestingly, about half of the engagements that we have with PTC are on competitive hardware platform, so it gives us more ways to win. And we're also seeing a significant percentage, about 1/3 of these, with augmented reality, which is a new capability. And customers are starting to vote with their wallets that this is important to them. Sensia is a joint venture with Schlumberger targeted at oil and gas, especially upstream, onshore oil and gas, but not limited just to those applications. And it's about increasing the productivity, reducing the cost to produce a barrel of oil. We had a great first quarter, and we continue to see strong customer interest in what we offer together. MESTECH is an Indian-based integrator of information software. We're already seeing some synergies from the work we're doing together. They were a partner for many years. And we're very happy about the way that, that has started for us. And then Avnet, providing data security, an Israeli company focusing on cybersecurity. And again, as they help us establish an EMEA Center of Excellence and to be able to extend the strong growth that we're seeing in this part of our business, which is under the Connected Services part of our offering. So we're happy with that. But we also announced this morning 2 additional acquisitions. ASEM is an Italian manufacturer of industrial PCs, and they also produce HMI and remote access software. Their customer base is primarily machine builders in Italy and in Germany, and so this helps our stated intention of pursuing increased market share in Europe. But as part of our technology portfolio, we're very excited about welcoming ASEM to the Rockwell Automation family. And then Kalypso, which is a U.S.-based provider of consulting and digital transformation consulting as well as software delivery services. And again, as customers are interested in bringing the digital thread together, Kalypso is full of expertise in this area and we think is going to be a meaningful addition and catalyst to the growth as we see customers looking to pull together these disparate often varying suppliers, then we have the ability to provide a solution that's cohesive and focused on outcomes, while respecting that customer's installed base. So we're happy about that. When it comes to fiscal '20 guidance, this is the information that we provided in January for the fiscal year. And as you know, we don't update guidance intra-quarter, but I do want to add a couple of comments here. Depending on when the recent acquisitions, the 2 I just mentioned, close, we'll provide the specific information on their impact on fiscal '20 at the earnings call in April. We did mention on the prior slide that we expect, in a full year, for those acquisitions to contribute over 1 point of revenue as well as being accretive to adjusted EPS and free cash flow in the first year. Also with respect to current events, with respect to the coronavirus, we are experiencing some impact in our business. And we're focused on mitigating and managing that and, obviously, protecting our employees. I'll also say that some of the moves that we made to mitigate tariffs in terms of moving parts of our supply base around are helping to mitigate the impact of coronavirus on our business. We are also encouraged with what we're seeing so far this quarter in North American product sales in terms of -- on the other hand, to the coronavirus impact. So again, it's still early in the quarter, but that's what we see so far. And with that, I'll turn it over to Q&A.
Julian Mitchell
analystThank you very much, Blake, for that.
Julian Mitchell
analystMaybe just following up on a couple of the things you mentioned at the end. In your China operations, maybe just give us some update around what level of production capacity back to their -- how you're thinking about the supply chain logistics on the grounds. And then your point on North America product sales, any particular vertical or type of industry customer that you'd call out there?
Blake Moret
executiveSo with respect to China, we have a couple of operations in China, in Shanghai as well as in Harbin, that would be one of the areas that, obviously, we're tracking very closely in terms of a potential impact. You also have the impact of our supply chain, right, of component suppliers that are also located in the region and then the potential impact of orders in the China market. Now China is a little over 5% of our sales, so it's not a huge amount of our total business. But we're looking at those 3 primary aspects. Above all those, it's, of course, making sure that we're ensuring the safety of our employees that are in China in manufacturing or in sales roles. And so that's kind of the landscape. It's obviously an extremely dynamic situation. The comment I made about the tariffs is that some of our supply chain was moved outside of that area, of China as a result of some of the actions that we took to mitigate tariffs, and that's providing some benefit in terms of mitigating the potential impact of coronavirus. With respect to the U.S., it's still early in the quarter. And so we haven't done the same depth of analysis of what particular industries, products, areas. But as we're seeing so far, we're seeing some encouraging early results in terms of our sales of products in North America.
Julian Mitchell
analystGreat. And then on the acquisitions, you mentioned at the end, ASEM and Kalypso. So you scaled the size nicely for us. Maybe talk about the organic growth that those 2 assets have seen.
Blake Moret
executiveYes. So we expect that the growth of this business, along with the synergies of these businesses, along with the synergies, will be double-digit growth. And there's a high demand for the products on the ASEM side on one hand and then on the services and the consulting from Kalypso on the other. And so double-digit growth with the synergies is a reasonable assumption for these businesses.
Julian Mitchell
analystAnd when you think about further acquisition opportunities, maybe just characterize the environment as you see it today, how much cash you think could be used for transactions in the next 12 months and how satisfied you are with Rockwell's M&A capabilities internally.
Blake Moret
executiveYes. I think I'm very happy that over the last few years, we have built this capability to a greater level than I think we've had in Rockwell before. We want to use all our strengths. Obviously, we have a strong balance sheet. The technology is moving rapidly. And we fundamentally believe that, in addition to great talent and great innovation within Rockwell, there's an opportunity to move faster by partnering and, in some cases, acquiring technology and services outside. The augmented reality capabilities through the relationship with PTC are a good example to that. The industrial PC technology from ASEM is going to be extremely valuable as we look going forward. And the value for our -- from our smart products, Logix and drives and so on, those will be on different form factors. Over time, the value is going to stay the same. And we want to make sure that both in terms of evolving the software as well as the hardware platforms, we're at the front of the pack. And we're really excited about that relationship with ASEM.
Julian Mitchell
analystAnd in terms of the scope for further transactions, there's some management bandwidth absorbed in integrating what you've already just announced. If you think about that and the balance sheet state, what sort of rate of acquisitions you think investors should expect from here?
Blake Moret
executiveSo we've talked about a framework that adds 1 point or more of growth from acquisitions a year, on average. And obviously, that will be lumpy. And in terms of the amount being spent on acquisitions, we've given a framework in November in terms of our capital deployment, acquisitions, along with, of course, dividends and share repurchases. And so we gave rough guidelines of $400 million, $500 million a year, I think, in terms of the expenditures of acquisitions. But again, that's going to be lumpy because there's going to be different types of businesses acquired. What we're looking at first is the strategic fit. And we've talked about our priorities, which are the Information Solutions and Connected Services; the process expertise, Sensia is a good example of that; and then the increased share expansion in Europe and Asia, and ASEM certainly is a factor in Europe as Kalypso is for Information Solutions and Connected Services. So we think we've done a good job of staying true to that framework. We still have a robust pipeline. Your point, we got a lot going on, and we got to make sure that we integrate these really well and to get the benefit both for customers and financially. And I think we have that well in hand.
Julian Mitchell
analystGot it. And Sensia was something that closed, I guess, just a few months ago. Maybe any initial impressions and -- post the close and talk about the sales trends within that business. Clearly, it's selling into a very challenged CapEx environment.
Blake Moret
executiveYes. So the majority of Sensia sales are expected to be purchased with OpEx as opposed to CapEx, in fact, maybe at an even greater percentage skewed towards OpEx than some of our other oil and gas business because this is really more about driving productivity in existing assets, reducing the cost to produce a barrel of oil, doing it as efficiently as possible as opposed to being as much focused on, say, the drilling process or new capital. And it's not just at the wellhead. It's also to the collection point into terminals and even safety systems downstream. We've seen a great start to that business. The first quarter went well for us and, more importantly, customers are seeing the possibilities. The business is characterized by having maybe a little larger projects than is typical for Rockwell. And I think that's also encouraging because customers are trusting the combination with some really important processes to keep them competitive.
Julian Mitchell
analystAnd if you look sort of in and around of the organic and acquisition moves that you've made, you put up that $9 billion revenue number at the Investor Day, which I thought was interesting 3 months ago. Sort of help us understand why you put that number out there, what kind of time frame for realization you think is reasonable for people in the room to consider.
Blake Moret
executiveYes. I think to put that kind of graphic or that kind of framework in place, I think it's important to pull the various pieces together because I've been very happy with the way that we've stayed true over the last 4 years, really, to our strategy and, fundamentally, how our efforts are focused on accelerating profitable growth. And so this is a way of pulling those various pieces of information into one place, the areas that we're going to grow in, again, the core, the Information Solutions and Connected Services as well as through acquisitions, but then the financial framework to make it very clear that even though, for instance, we're doing more acquisitions than we have in the past, we're still being very clear on preserving that disciplined approach. So the 30% to 35% conversion on incremental revenue, expecting that revenue to be in mid-single digits, the free cash flow expectations that are generated from acquisitions, the fact that we still remain an asset-light business, all of that we thought was important to say and to give some information about when we do this, this is where we expect to get to in, say, the midterm. The growth rate is still paced to some extent by industrial production. That core is the biggest part of our business. And we said that we're going to work to increase the multiple of IP, so going from a traditional 1.8x industrial production for our markets up to 2. But if you think about that, industrial production being historically maybe about 1.5, that's about in a 3% CAGR for the core. You add that to continued double-digit growth with respect to IS and CS, 1 point or more of acquisitions each year, and you look at 2025 as kind of the point where you get to that $9 billion figure. The journey of that is really important, being able to continue to make the moves to provide increasing customer value, growing but growing profitably. So that's the point.
Julian Mitchell
analystThat's very helpful. And on the -- you mentioned some of those 3 levers of growth, if you like, for the top line. Information Solutions and Connected Services, you started to use that as sort of currency in external discussions about 2 years ago, really. In that interim, what have you been surprised that, good or bad, about how that business or collection of products has performed and gained customer traction?
Blake Moret
executiveWell, we knew that we had the -- we had some good things in terms of some offerings there that were very exciting. I've been very proud of our ability to scale that. And it continues to grow, that compounding effect with a business that's now multi-hundreds of millions of dollars has also shown the organization how we can sustain double-digit growth within this business. And even within our core, when you look at Independent Cart Technology growing double digits, there's nothing that says that you can't have the shoots of faster growth within all parts of our business. And so as a symbol to ourselves and to a variety of stakeholders, not the least of which is this audience, to be able to show this kind of breakout growth is really important.
Julian Mitchell
analystAnd when you think about IS and CS, any verticals or regions where you think, okay, these are the places that are really pulling that growth up to that double-digit rates?
Blake Moret
executiveYes, we're seeing it across all industries. We're seeing it across all geographies. We're seeing a special uptake with respect to some of the hybrid industries. So you look at Food and Beverage, you look at Life Sciences, those are some that we've seen particularly strong interest. But in discrete and Automotive, they're looking to add this additional capability. In many cases, they'll have some legacy systems in the plants and across the enterprise that have grown up over many years. And so our ability to meet them where they are in their journey, where they have a very heterogeneous set of programmable controllers, information, software applications in their facilities and then not tell them to get this good over here, you have to rip out all this other perfectly functioning material in other places, but to be able to work with them with a diverse supplier set is something that the automotive have found very encouraging.
Julian Mitchell
analystAnd if you look at the last, say, 12 months, Rockwell's organic sales trend versus its traditional automation peers, I think, has been several points higher than them, part of that due to Information Solutions and Connected Services, perhaps. Also that maybe part of it is the parts of the market that are growing more quickly, some of your peers are just not present in as much as they should be. So maybe help us understand, I guess, the competitive landscape a little bit and how much more often you're coming up against different companies in bids today versus the usual suspects 10 years ago.
Blake Moret
executiveSo I'll start with an industry cut of that, and then I'll take maybe more of a technology cut. On the industry side, we're not just serving our traditional industries without thinking about what are the industries that are going to provide the best profitable growth opportunities going forward. The Life Sciences would be a great example of that, where when we started by focusing on Life Sciences, it was relatively small compared to oil and gas or automotive, for instance, but high-growth prospects. People want to live longer, healthier lives. I don't think that's going to taper off. And also the need for traceability for what we have to -- as I started the conversation with integrating the basic automation with the information. And that's playing out wonderfully. We're continuing to see double-digit growth in Life Sciences that's contributing maybe a little bit to outperformance. Electric vehicles is another example in that for the production of an internal combustion engine, there's a lot of subtractive manufacturing. There's a lot of CNC, boring out cylinders and removing material. The electric vehicle drivetrain process is different. It's about battery assembly. It's about motor winding, and we have a great application set, a great readiness to serve. And so we're seeing faster growth and being able to work with, not only our traditional brand owner customers, but also with all the start-ups in this space as well, both in the tier suppliers as well as the brand owners as well, some of which are new names to the market. The second piece from a technology standpoint, we certainly see new competitors. This is where IT and OT comes together, and we have to be focused on providing differentiated value because a lot of these IT players are big, and they have great software capabilities. What they don't have is that last-mile knowledge of industrial processes, and that's what we bring. And so by focusing on what we do really well, which includes software development in select places, hardware, delivery expertise, we can best meet customer value, partner with others, and that also contributes to higher margins because if you focus on what you're differentiated in, then you can make higher margins at it.
Julian Mitchell
analystAnd then the one debate, I guess, that -- it's a bit arcane, but investors have been having the last year or 2 is around industrial PCs. Do they displace PLC? I mean I think this argument has been around for 25 years or something, but it -- somehow it's gotten more interest recently. ASEM, as you said, one of its strength is industrial PCs in the EMEA region. So maybe help us understand, do you see something changing in that PC versus PLC share of customer wallet?
Blake Moret
executiveThe value that comes from a programmable controller to be able to solve basic industrial logic, take inputs, perform logic algorithms and then to be able to change the state of outputs, that value is still going to be indispensable, regardless of the hardware platform that it's on. And so we want to be able to provide that flexibility. There are going to be some customers who are not going to change from a dedicated appliance. They like the simplicity. They like the dependability. They -- whatever it is, it's what their people are trained on. There are going to be others who want to move to different form factors for that basic functionality, some of which may include industrial PCs. And now we have a second-to-none offering with respect to that platform. But even apart from the basic logic solving, the other industrial applications that need to run on this type of platform, we have a great portfolio for gateways, for instance. Pumping data either to the edge, which we have a very strong offering for or to the cloud, there's need for this kind of solution as well. I should mention, ASEM doesn't only provide hardware. They have a really credible software offering with respect to HMI and remote access enablement for their customers. A lot of their machine builder customers have found their offering very interesting in terms of being able to enable their own lines of business. So we don't necessarily have to do the monitoring of these remote processes. Many complex OEMs like to be able to do that themselves. And we can provide the plumbing and the software for them to put it together and concentrate on what their differentiation is, which is their expertise in their processes.
Julian Mitchell
analystGood. I don't know if there are any questions from the audience. I think if not one, last one from me, a brief one would just be around the -- if you think about the software strategy, you have the PTC stake and Board seat. Should we think about that partnership as precluding other large-scale M&A in software by Rockwell or you think you can have the PTC relationship and do other software acquisitions as well?
Blake Moret
executiveWell, the software landscape is very broad within industrial processes, in manufacturing, in oil and gas, if you think about that, and we firmly believe that no single supplier is going to have under one roof all the best-in-class software for every single application that's required. And so the short answer is no. Doing what we did with PTC, as valuable as it has been for customers, is not -- we're not done. We're continuing to invest a tremendous amount in our own internal software development, things that we're doing with PTC and other partners and the potential for other software acquisitions. It's a big landscape.
Julian Mitchell
analystGood. Well, unfortunately, we have to move straight to the audience response survey questions. So maybe, number one, do you currently own the stock overweight, market weight or underweight? First question. Somewhat less under own than [ towards ], I suppose. Number two is around the general bias aside from ownership as of this morning. It's a lot more positive than a year ago. And then number three, how do you view through-cycle EPS growth at Rockwell relative to, let's say, the multi-industry PSM? Okay. So mostly in line to above. Number four is around, what about the excess cash acquisitions or buybacks? Okay. So people clearly resonating on that acquisition aspect of Rockwell picking up. Number five, what multiple of, let's say, calendar 2020 EPS should Rockwell trade at? Okay. So 20x plus is the norm now. And then number six, what's the main reason why you don't own more shares of Rockwell? The core growth have to -- see how Information Solutions and Connected Services plays out.
Blake Moret
executiveGood. Okay.
Julian Mitchell
analystThank you very much, Blake.
Blake Moret
executiveJulian, thank you. Thank you.
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