Ros Agro PLC (AGRO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 17, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Svetlana Kuznetsova
executive[Foreign Language]
Konstantin Golota
attendee[Interpreted] Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. I'm Konstantin, your interpreter. This event is going to be interpreted simultaneously. I'm going to advise you how to proceed in your language of preference. I'm going to say that in both languages, and then we'll kick off simultaneous interpretation so that you can talk very free. [Foreign Language] [Interpreted] As soon as we switch on the interpretation, a globe icon will appear at the bottom of your screen. It isn't there yet, but it's going to show up soon. If you're joining from a narrow screen device, such as your mobile phone, then globe icon may be hiding under the More menu represented by 3 dots. Please click or tap on that globe icon or first 3 dots, then globe, choose English and go ahead with the presentation. [Foreign Language] [Interpreted] Also, please be reminded not to use the loud speaker mode when you are talking, and please don't forget to mute your mic when you are listening. [Foreign Language] [Interpreted] Please direct your attention to the bottom of your screen. A globe icon is going to show up right now.
Svetlana Kuznetsova
executive[Foreign Language] [Audio Gap]
Maxim Basov
executive[Foreign Language] [Audio Gap] Performance and we are confident about Kharkiv with some very good numbers coming from that. Anticipating some of your questions, I can say that, today, we're currently in the sowing seasion with more products being sowed. We have some beetroots still remaining in the pipeline. Some of the sunflower and small volumes of soybean. Crop rotation has been changed this year. We have more volumes of land dedicated to soybean and sunflower, and we have expanded sugar beet as well. The sowing season is going to be completed by the end, or rather mid-June -- well, in the second half of June, let me put it this way. We have a press release readily available for you with our results at that time. The force oil extraction plant in [indiscernible] started. It had been suspended for 18 months. But now with the government approach to agricultural exports changing, we have restarted production. So in Q2, we're going to see the outcome, the performance. Thank you. We're happy to take your questions now.
Svetlana Kuznetsova
executiveWe don't have anyone raising hands as of yet. So let me read from the Q&A section of Zoom. Considering growth of your margins pretty much across the board and the continued growth of global prices, do you see a risk for the domestic market to be regulated even more by the government?
Maxim Basov
executiveYes, we see some risks. The risks are always there, and we are there to manage those risks. The changes in government policies that we have observed in the past 5 months could hardly have been imagined, just some time ago. So we are closely observing further changes, and I hope we'll manage to go ahead with that, thanks to our strong assets and a very strong team. The digital transition in agriculture is at full swing, which is really helping us. We'll manage to be making some good money in the end and make our shareholders happy with good results. Generally speaking, that situation is understandable. Commodity prices are growing globally, which is related to more money available in the market. This is related to climate issues and certain regional issues, higher oil prices that have recovered. And the concept of, what we call, imported inflation is definitely there, especially in Russia, where consumer income has not been growing in the recent years. Markedly, this structure in domestic consumption has changed, and Russian people have stopped their foreign travels, so they have more money available to spend for food, among other things. Hence, we see some good demand, nowadays, especially for cheaper products. And our business is mostly about the mass proposition. We see very significant demand coming from foreign markets, too. The most important thing, for now, is not to have any exports ban. Obviously, prices could be regulated, duties could be imposed, thus taking some of our shareholders' income. But the most important thing is for us to carry on even in the adjusted market conditions. Given the high momentum in the industry and lots of investments into technologies and production facilities, it's important to keep producing and shipping our goods. For some of our branches, like Oil and Fats, for example, the domestic market only accounts for 25% or less, but -- so we hope we'll carry on with exports. Thank you. I would like to hand over to Mr. Nikolay Kovalev.
Nikolay Kovalev
analystHello? Can you hear me?
Maxim Basov
executiveYes.
Nikolay Kovalev
analystI have 3 questions, if I may. My first couple of questions relate to the Sugar market. We're nearing the start of a new agricultural year, and I'm wondering if you have any preliminary market data already available, like sowing area for beetroot and the total crop? And then another question on the Sugar market. We have seen some media reports about further regulations of the sugar market for the upcoming season. Do you see something of the kind in your discussions with the government regulators? Do you see any signs, there would be further regulations? And my third question is about EBITDA. We have seen your EBITDA doubled as compared to the first period of regulated pricing. I'm wondering what you're budgeting for the full year of 2021? Would you expect an EBITDA growth for the full year? Yes. These are my 3 questions.
Maxim Basov
executiveOkay, beetroot. We are now completing the sowing season. I believe that it's going to be completed before the end of this month, across Russia. We expect 950,000 to 1 million hectares to be dedicated to beetroot. I personally believe it will be slightly less than 1 million, but let's imagine it's 1 million, okay? Then would see the conditions throughout the summer. I can tell you now that the sowing season happened later, 2 or 3 weeks, that depends, which means a loss in the vegetation period, on the one hand. But on the other hand, we see good supply of moisture in many regions, that's exactly why we are having this delay. It's not only about the cold and slow warming, but it's also because of the moisture in the fields, which made it difficult to arrive in. So it will depend on the temperature. So it's hard to tell now how much yield in Sugar we will be getting. Russia only consumes about 6 million tonnes. Some of the Sugar goes to Malaysia. But the market is going to be balanced, more or less. That's my view. Then we need to understand the situation with the Russian ruble and its FX rates. Unless we see any major event, in a negative sense, the ruble is expected to strengthen. We expect it to come up to RUB 74 to RUB 72 per dollar, but no one can exclude, of course, any challenging political or even military scenarios. And then comes the question of the global price. For the first time in 8 years, a global shortage of sugar is expected. Global shortage does not contribute to lower prices, of course. Shortage of sugar is explained by the fact of draughts in Brazil and a huge demand for bioethanol fuel. So Brazil is going to produce less sugar. Sugar is available in India, but India is facing real trouble with COVID. So India is not going to yield significant or sufficient volumes of sugar. So it's hard for me to tell. I would really abstain from commenting on any actions from the government. We do not support government oversight in this regard, but we'll definitely oblige by all resolutions of the Russian government. Just like I said, we have invested more into sugar beet production this year, with more space dedicated to that commodity, so sugar output is going to grow this year. Last year, the year was not really good for sugar beet. It was a lucky year for other crops, but it was not so good for sunflower, sugar beet. And sugar production went down by 35% to -- or 30% year-on-year vis-à-vis the record high year of 2019. So this year, the situation is going to get back to normal, and we'll be producing about 1 million tonnes of sugar in totoal. We'll have no sugar available and then we'll be looking forward to what the government decides. We have quite a lot of channels and quite a lot of opportunities. We'll keep going. That was your first question. Now comes your other question about?
Nikolay Kovalev
analystI can remind you. My last question was about the full year guidance. I understand it's too difficult to say as of now with the agricultures -- the new agriculture season are not yet starting for any of your commodity products, right?
Maxim Basov
executiveYes. Well, I can tell you that the biggest uncertainty here is the government policy. You see our Q1 turned out to be a record quarter for us. We are into mid-Q2 already, so Q2 looks to be a very good one as well. Then a lot is going to depend on the weather, but the sowing volumes are quite good. There is no delay pretty much. So I expect some good crops to come, I hope. All of our facilities are ready to process the commodities. The global prices are high. So we are looking forward to a good year. There are climate risks, of course. There are government risks. We are always optimistic about the situation. However, in autumn, we'll be launching our large project in Primorie region. The slaughter house online will be coming to the market. So generally, the year is going to be a very good one.
Konstantin Golota
attendeeI'm going to ask a question from the Q&A section of Zoom. What are your thoughts about developing exports with Ros Agro? The share of exports is slightly up year-on-year with 32%. Whether the company has plans to ramp up to 50%, let's say, in 3 years to come? And a quick follow-up question. What markets or products and what geographies would be your priorities?
Maxim Basov
executiveA few years ago, we adopted a program to expand our exports, which has been quite successful. As of now, we are reconsidering some of the prospects given the fact that the government policies are changing. But again, with the domestic market not growing, given that the population is coming down in terms of numbers and no one is expecting all the Russian population to get rich quickly, but technologies are developing. So we'll be still investing in a targeted way and in a highly efficient way. These additional volumes need to be sold abroad. So we're really hopeful that the Russian government would allow Ros Agro to keep exporting. And if that happens, we'll have growth of our export share and higher exports revenue. The situation is very different for each of our segments. Let me start with the largest segment of ours. Some good prospects are available in place 2 subsegments. The resource based in Russia is very good. So it's very good to make oil. In Russia, we have already decided to expand on our capacities, the 2 facilities in Saratov, and we are looking into new opportunities with new sites. We are looking for new opportunities at existing sites and will -- at other sites than Saratov. Most of our world goes to Middle Asia, Iran; countries of Northern Caucasus and Turkey. These are our main markets, although sometimes we reach out as far as China. Meal, the largest market here is Northern Europe and then China again. The Mediterranean look to be some very interesting markets as well. Consumer oils, again, we are the largest producer in Russia in this regard with our main markets lying in Middle Asia, China is important. And basically, all other markets are growing, although they are not as important. Most of the potential, most of the upside results in China for our bottled oil. Industrial fats are not exported and imported, but we intend to ramp up this production line as some of our confectionery businesses in Russia are growing their exports. Hence, they have to consume more of our production, which would deliver among other things. Let me comment on the Meat business now. We are rather successful in Vietnam, Hong Kong and Belarus and also Ukraine. We'd like to sell more. But at this point in time, given the shortage on the poultry business -- and no, not shortage, that's the wrong word, given the high prices in poultry, chicken, the prices are quite high, and it's not favorable to export meat, but we are exporting nonetheless. Especially with the offers and with the launch of our Primorie project, we'll be ramping up as well. As for the agricultural business, given the changes in the government policy, we'll be processing most of that rather than exporting, if it will. Sugar, that depends on the production volume. I don't think production in Russia will be growing, given further uncertainties in government regulations. However, we have decided that we try exporting consumer products, especially towards China and Middle Asia, so we'll be ramping up exports towards these geographies. Basically, as I think exports will be growing and share of exports in our revenue will depend on the prices, global prices, the FX rate of the ruble and the government policies.
Svetlana Kuznetsova
executiveArtur, you can proceed with your question.
Artur Galimov
analystCan you hear me?
Maxim Basov
executiveYes.
Artur Galimov
analystFine. Congratulations on your very good performance across every segments. It seems that government regulations are helping you rather than otherwise?
Maxim Basov
executiveNo, quite unfortunately, we would have made more money not for the regulations.
Artur Galimov
analystOkay. I have several questions on some of your segments, starting with Sugar, a tactical question rather than the strategic one. The margin is higher in Q1 as compared to Q4 and the cash cost of production per 1 kilo sugar is significantly down. I understand you have changed your mix between B2C and B2B, but maybe there are other drivers as well. So my first question to you is, why the margin is up and the cash cost is down? Although I understand that the beetroot price, which is the core of the cash cost, remains unchanged? My other question is on your Meat segment. Maxim, I understand the situation is not that stable given the prices in chicken, but you have the margin here at 20% in the Meat business. How are you going to make that happen if the prices come back to the normal levels? And whether you believe that 20% of EBITDA margin is sustainable for this segment? And on a number of occasions, you've mentioned, there is no reason to believe that poultry prices -- or sorry, pork prices are going to grow significantly given your competition against export? And my other question is on the Oil and Fats. As far as I get it, the extremely high sunflower price has already been factored into the margin of Q1. So it's not going to be there for Q2 and Q3, right?
Maxim Basov
executiveOkay. Let me start with your question, Sugar. You are quite right. The cash cost to produce Sugar depend -- are exposed to 3 drivers, basically. Beetroot price, indeed, all of the beetroot had been bought out by December last year. But then it depends on how you calculate the average price. I understand we have a dedicated procedure to that in our accounting. If I remember that correctly, like in October the sugar price was the highest. Hence, beetroot price was at its highest as well. Then the government pressed against it, sugar prices went down, hence, beetroot prices too, so the average price of our inventories started coming down as well. That's one thing. And another thing is the volume. Given the fact that fixed costs are divided against the volumes, you can see how much we sold in Q1. Again, the intent was to sell less because now we have 35% less sugar than last year. What we've been asked by the government -- and we sold more. So the volume has played into the account as well. Another driver, we have the sugaring business for the molasses [ distillation ] which is going to be launched now. It was not factored in Q1. And here are a few more price drivers, please open up Page 11. You can see that the price is going up. It's RUB 41 in March, but -- like, that's in April. So the current price in Krasnodar is RUB 44, even higher. So the price on B2B segment is up as well. It's also important to understand what we sell. On the B2C side, most of the chains are happy to buy packeted sugar under our brands. That's what we sold to them. So we have to spend money on packaging. It's very efficient. But nonetheless -- and the economics works a little bit better for us as compared to sales of bulk sugar to retail [Audio Gap] So there is no magic. That's our accounting, but it seems like that. 26% is a very good margin and is going to be there. We don't have too much sugar left, however, 140,000 tonnes, and that's it. And it needs to last, given that the sowing season came later this year. The farmers are not going to dig up the sugar beet early. So sugar production will be restarted this year at a little bit later date. So how that small volume of sugar remaining our inventories? How to distribute that across the upcoming months? That's a good question. But responding to your question, we expect the good margins in the sugar market to remain -- well, we may need to sell more to some of the chains given that there is a very high demand from the chains, even higher than last year. I still believe it's a temporary thing, and basically, the situation is going to be not so bad. Now on the Oil and Fat side, again, pretty much the same drivers. We are the largest producer of sunflower oil with huge volumes, really. We process 1.5 million tonnes of sunflower. It sold at record prices, and we store out at our own storage facilities and at other people's facilities across various regions. That's why the cash cost varies significantly. But in the big picture, we can say that in Q2, oil extraction is going to produce similar results. On this industrial fat side, palm oil is quite high, price-wise, $1,250, if I'm not mistaken. Confectionery business is doing great. Although high oil price drives down the economics of consumer products. Sometimes, we even sell at a negative margin for packeted oil. And we are sometimes incurring even losses or hardly breaking even for mayonnaise. So the margins are going to be generally lower, but Oil and Fats are going to good -- some good numbers still, of 10% or 11%. Now comes the Meat segment. We are surprised, indeed, about the prices attained. As I have explained, this is related to the fact that in Q4 last year and Q1 this year, the poultry business really plunged globally for several reasons. A lot of poultry is dying because of diseases and then exports of eggs from Europe was banned. Then corn prices were high in Q4. And many of the smaller businesses, smaller companies, who have lost their poultry due to mortality, they are not so keen to restock their farms. So basically, production of pork was expected to grow by 10%, but it did grow by 5%. That's why the situation on the consumption side -- well, very few people travel abroad these days. They don't spend the money. They have it to spend on food produce. As a result, the price is high. I agree with you, the price is said to come down closer to autumn this year. It has started adjusting already, but it's going to come down by autumn, as poultry production -- as chicken production restarts. The current economics globally is based on the high prices, which were there before the export duties were imposed for corn and grain. So grain prices are going to come down together with meat prices. Since sales and production of consumer products is growing with our business, we expect to keep the margins at 20% or so, 15% or 20% is quite realistic. We're still hopeful about 20%.
Artur Galimov
analystA few -- let me say that, a quick follow-up question, which I didn't produce upfront. Given the complexity of your business with so many elements and drivers coming into play that would affect your financials eventually. Still, what's your take on the effect that the FX changes have on the eventual performance? I understand that weaker ruble plays into the hands of Ros Agro, although a weak ruble -- although a strong ruble is favorable for you as well. So do you have an understanding? Do I get it right that Ros Agro is a net beneficiary of the weak ruble?
Maxim Basov
executiveI can put it this way. Early in our history, we really benefited from the weak ruble. Like with 1% weaker ruble, we got 3% up on the profit side. I remember that calculation many years ago. We repeated it recently. And a lot depends on the actual prices, given the contribution of the business units would vary significantly depending on the dynamics of the global prices. As of now, we are pretty much nonsensitive to the FX rates. We somewhat benefit from the weaker ruble to a degree, somewhat. But given the government policy, we I can say that we are pretty much not exposed to the ruble. Some of our businesses really benefit from the weak ruble. First and foremost, it's about oil and grain. And some of the businesses do lose such as industrial fats or consumer fats and meat. Because meat consumption does depend on the purchasing power of local consumers, which are exposed to the weak ruble in a negative sense. So as of now, it's quite well balanced situation.
Svetlana Kuznetsova
executiveOver to Alexander.
Alexander Gnusarev
analystCongratulations on your performance. I have 2 quick questions. First one is about CapEx guidance for 2021 with the segmental split, if I may?
Maxim Basov
executiveOkay. There we go. I can tell you that -- well, metal prices are growing, ruble is demonstrating some FX movements. But if you consider the current perimeter, excluding any M&A optionality -- so if you exclude that -- if you exclude any potential M&A investments like last year, we spent about RUB 15.5 billion in cash. Last year, our CapEx started coming down as compared to 2019. Back in 2016, we invested RUB 17.7 billion then RUB 17.6 billion in 2017, RUB 16 billion in 2018, RUB 7.2 billion in 2019 and then RUB 15.6 billion in 2020. Given the very favorable financial situation this year, we have decided to boost it up a little bit in some of the projects which we didn't go ahead with last year because of the timing among other things. All those have been pushed down in year 2021 with hope to cover and complete, so pretty much all major investment projects that we can. So that ends us up with about RUB 20 billion of CapEx this year. The largest amount would go into the Meat business. Here, we intend to invest about RUB 12 billion. And the largest bid here is about the Primorie project, which is due to be completed soon. And also, this slaughter house expansion in Tambov region, and a workshop for consumers semi-finished products. The rest of the pack is really insignificant. Next comes the agriculture business, which is mostly about acquisition of land. We could possibly spend about RUB 3 billion towards agriculture, then comes RUB 3 billion of Oil and Fats; and Sugar, which is the gold carat for us, that's RUB 1 billion.
Alexander Gnusarev
analystOkay, understood. Another question. Given the fact that your net debt-to-EBITDA is significantly, down. Could we potentially expect high dividend? Or would you rather focus on M&As?
Maxim Basov
executiveIt's tough to tell. A lot depends on the opportunities available in the market. We love to do some M&A. But as of now, the company and the Board is really united, in this sense, we are not -- as a company, we are not ready to pay more than what we find sensible. We're very conservative about the M&A transactions. So I think it will depend on the Board, let me put it this way. We have a strong cash position, having paid a record high dividend for 2020. So if we don't get any major transaction approvals, then we'll be paying dividend, of course, because keeping the monies on our account has never been our preference, never did that. Some of the bidding is expected to happen for a major asset, but in terms of the total cash flow of the company, it's still in significant demand. So on the Board level, I stand in favor of paying some good dividend, at least, 50% but some of the money yet available could be paid out, too, I believe, especially as we move closer to the leverage of 1. So we could potentially update our dividend policy. Having discussed, we have not done formally yet, and we could potentially transition to free cash flow dividend. Again, a lot will depend on the investment opportunities which we are looking forward. Understandably, a long-term investment cycle has pretty much been completed here in Russia. So we will be definitely paying dividends. And I suggest that we take just a few outstanding question.
Svetlana Kuznetsova
executiveCan you please explain why you have decided to launch the soybean in Primorie this year?
Maxim Basov
executiveSoybean in Primorie, that is related to 2 reasons. An exports duty started with 30% and now we hit going to be reduced to 20%. And secondly, very huge demand on soy oil -- soybean oil, and generally speaking, every type of oil. So that demand is coming from Asia. Thirdly, we are launching our own production of meat, which uses soy meal and soybean oil, which is expanding in the markets. But that's why we believe it's feasible to launch this particular facility.
Svetlana Kuznetsova
executiveWhen do you intend to hit the market with first production from Primorie?
Maxim Basov
executiveIn September, we intend to launch our facility. The slaughterhouse is going to be commissioned with quite a good flow.
Svetlana Kuznetsova
executiveHow big that's growing?
Maxim Basov
executiveSo I believe that the first product will be available to consumers in the Far East, in September.
Svetlana Kuznetsova
executiveAnd again, another question, whether you have reverted to your idea of launching Meats business in China?
Maxim Basov
executiveIt's impossible to come into China at all these days. We do have a wish that should we get the terms we put forth, we would be happy to implement that project. Then -- now it depends on the Chinese authorities. About 18 months ago or rather 16 months ago, we evacuated all of our team because of the COVID-19 pandemic. All of the talks have been suspended. But as soon as China becomes open, again, we'll resume our talks with the Chinese partners. Now I suggest we wrap up with this presentation and today's session. Thank you very much for your questions. Thank you for your interest in our business. See you next quarter. Have a nice day. [Portions of this transcript that are marked [Interpreted] were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]
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