SATS Ltd. (S58.SI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 12, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, welcome to SATS Second Quarter Financial Year 2020-2021 Earnings Conference Call. Before we begin, SATS would like to remind you that certain comments made during this call may contain forward-looking statements. Many of these forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of words such as may, will, expect, anticipate, estimate, assume, continue, project, plan and similar words and phrases. The company's actual results and future financial condition may differ materially from those expressed in any such forward-looking statements as a result of many factors that may be outside the company's control, including, but not limited to changes in the business environment. The company does not undertake any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. I will now hand over the call to Carolyn Khiu of SATS. Please go ahead.
Carolyn Khiu
executiveGood evening, everyone. Welcome to another SATS webcast. We come in the middle of our financial year, and I'm sure everyone is interested to understand how we have survived this challenging environment. With me here are Alex Hungate, President and CEO; and Manfred Seah, CFO, to take you through the results. I'll hand you over now to Alex to kick off the presentation.
Alexander Hungate
executiveThanks, Carolyn, and good evening, everybody. Thanks for joining us tonight. I'm going to start with a business update and I'll hand over to Manfred, who will go through the financial review. And of course, we'll have the Q&A at the end. So we look forward to hearing your questions then. The first slide shows the global RPKs, and you can see that there is some gradual recovery coming from the lows in April earlier this year. I'll go into the volumes on the following slide, you can see here that we're starting to see some Singapore special travel arrangements, which we've noted on the right-hand side, probably the most important of which is the Hong Kong air travel bubble, which was confirmed on the 11th that will begin on November 22, and we can talk about that later. There are various reciprocal green lanes in operation for essential travel. And of course, there are air travel pass arrangements, all of which have contributed to the picture that you see. Having said that, this recovery, although it's the recovery is less bullish than IATA themselves had expected earlier in the year, when in July, in fact, when they made their original forecast. So we're running slightly behind their forecast, which they have downgraded subsequently. So we can see that the recovery is a fragile one and depends very much on the trajectory of the epidemic going forward. If we turn to the next slide, it's the half year. We're giving you quite a number of details in terms of the operating statistics. I'm also going to give you some quarter-on-quarter statistics as well to give you a sense for how things are improving from the lows in April and May. So in terms of flights handled in thousands, you can see the first half is down 78% from the prior first -- second quarter. And you can -- I'll tell you quarter-on-quarter, actually, though, it's up quite a bit. Number of flights, more than 200% higher than they were in the first quarter. So there has been -- although it's a massive drop year-on-year from the second quarter last year, the quarter-on-quarter improvement is quite considerable from the lows in the first quarter. Similar pattern in meals served, which includes aviation and non-aviation. So it didn't drop as much year-on-year, down almost 60%. Quarter-on-quarter, there was an improvement in the number of meals served by 20% from the first quarter. Passengers handled, still very small. In fact, you can see the drop is over 90% -- 92% compared to the second quarter last year due to the pandemic, but actually from the trickle of passengers we had in the first quarter, there's been a 700% increase into the second quarter. So you can see that some of those travel arrangements that we talked about on the prior slide are starting to have an impact, albeit still a relatively small one. Cargo, as we talked about last quarter, has been the most resilient of the different services that we offer. The demand has held up, and if anything, is supply-constrained because of the lack of bellyhold flying in the marketplace because of the lack of passenger planes in the air. So Cargo is, in the quarter, was down just over 40% from the second quarter last year and did also improve quarter-on-quarter by 22% from the first quarter into the second quarter. So all of those are signs of an improving aviation picture. But of course, as I mentioned on the prior slide, it's still not improving as fast as IATA had forecast and I think it's very hard to predict how it will go going forward because of the uncertainty over the trajectory of the pandemic. The last column is the number of employees. I did mention at the quarterly conference call last quarter that the number, although it had dropped considerably, would continue to drift down in this second quarter. And that's exactly what's happened. It's fallen by a further 500 from this time last quarter, which is part of our management of costs resizing for what we expect to be a lower-for-longer situation for aviation. Therefore, we want to make sure that our cost base is appropriately sized. And Manfred will give you the numbers around that later on. Moving to the next slide. SATS is playing a key role in supporting the safe reopening through the reciprocal travel lanes and the air travel bubbles to make sure that passengers are safe and that air travel does not become a vector for the transmission of the pandemic. We've also been involved in the safe reopening of the cruise center here. So the cruise is just to remind you, out of the Singapore Cruise Center and the Marina Bay Cruise Center, are not going to foreign destinations. They're actually leaving Singapore and returning to Singapore with Singapore-departing passengers and Singapore-arriving passengers. So it's a relatively low-risk way of restarting the cruise industry. Genting has already started through the sailing thrice per week from 6th of November, and then Royal Caribbean will begin to sail at the beginning of December, 2x per week. The Hong Kong air travel bubble, as I mentioned, is starting on the 22nd of November. There's no quarantine requirement for that, obviously, provided that you're COVID negative on the test that you take before the journey and when you arrive. There will be one flight per day initially and then moving to 2 flights per day from the 7th of December. That's an encouraging sign. We obviously want to play our part to make sure that the air travel bubble is a success and it doesn't result in cross infections or increased infections in either Hong Kong or Singapore because we hope that it can become an example for how air travel can be reopened with other countries. So together with Ministry of Health and Ministry of Transport and the rest of the aviation ecosystem, we're doing everything we can to work closely with Hong Kong to make sure it's a success and a very safe initiative. Now we move to the next slide, which talks -- which recognizes that flying for the foreseeable future is going to be quite different in terms of the precautions one would need for safety. In particular, minimizing contact between crew and passengers, particularly when the mask is removed for taking refreshments and eating meals. So we have been working with our new subsidiary, Monty's Bakehouse, which specializes in the Singapore packaging, in particular, for handheld snacks, to design safe and sealed eating packaging, which can be both hot and cold. And this is just a shot of how that can look. But we've actually introduced launches to nearly all of our Asian Airline customers to try to inject this source of innovation into our Asian marketplace. The next picture just shows some of our aircraft interior cleaning crew. We are actually deploying quite a bit of new technology, the kind of technology that is used in hospitals to do that level of sanitization. We got UV light being implemented, which is a way of perhaps in-flight as well as on turnarounds, making sure that the virus is minimized on any surfaces. The more traditional deep fogging is already underway. That requires a longer turnaround. So for safety reasons that the aircraft goes under deep fogging and then has to be evacuated, so it takes about an hour to do that on turnaround. And then various antimicrobial hospital cleaning substances, which we're using now, which actually remain on the surface for an extended period of time. So this is a whole new set of kind of nanotechnologies, which is very interesting, which has proven to stop the transmission across surfaces, which is being deployed both on the aircraft and in the Chinese airport as well. Let's move to the next slide. We're talking a bit more about some of the new customer segments that we've been growing into. In particular, foodservice and retail, both supermarkets and small footprint, convenience stores as well, where we're having some -- getting some traction with our ready-to-eat meal. And then we're also exploring some of the -- some new F&B concepts with institutions. So the picture here is the Singapore General Hospital where we're collaborating with the hospital to launch a contactless F&B experience. So all the ordering is done digitally, and then the picking up is done through lockers. The food is coming from our central kitchen. So we like this concept because it allows us to serve institutions, but without deploying large numbers of people, which gives us a productivity advantage over traditional people-intensive way of providing food and beverage services in business and institutional customers. We're continuing to promote and expand the range of Farmpride branded products. Farmpride is our SATS-owned brand. It's relatively well-known in Singapore and some parts of Southern Malaysia. So it's a brand that we think has legs, and we'll continue to invest in it. We're also continuing to expand our market share in the distribution of alternative proteins like Impossible, Fable and Growthwell. I mentioned last quarter, we have a partnership agreement with Brakes, which is a well-known distributor of F&B products. So we've been expanding our distribution of Europastry's baked goods into retail chains in Singapore. You might have seen them in Cheers, for example, where they're selling very well. So you should expect to see more of that and they will be distributed via Cheers through food delivery platforms as well. So this is a relationship, which opens up distribution into home food delivery. And then my final slide, before I hand over, is about gearing up for the COVID-19 vaccines. Obviously, there's been a lot in the news with the BioNTech, Pfizer vaccine, showing very good efficacy. There are other vaccines that will follow closely behind that. The transportation of these vaccines globally will be critical. There are some production sites here in Singapore. There are some in places like India and China, and I've mentioned Europe, that will come into Asia. And we believe that Singapore will be able to target, realistically, a disproportionate share of that transit cargo business because of the reputation that we've built out for the precision of our pharmaceutical handling. We are IATA CEIV Pharma certified not just in Singapore, though, were also certified in Beijing, in Muscat, in Bangalore, and we are in the process of gaining certification in Jakarta and in Kuala Lumpur as well. So the shippers, the pharmaceutical companies in this case, will often specify that they require the CEIV certification. And I think in the case of some of these new vaccines, because of the very demanding requirements in terms of temperature handling of some of them, I think that requirement will be even more stringent. We are already seeing an increase in pharmaceutical cargo throughput year-to-date, and we expect that to increase quite a bit as these vaccines start to get distributed through probably starting early in the next calendar year. Singapore as a hub, as many of you will have been following, has been well supported by the government, including the national carrier. So national carrier is actually predicting a relatively small reduction in fleet size compared to some of the other hub carriers around the region. So we are also confident, and what I want to take this opportunity to say that our confidence in the future of the Singapore hub, and perhaps it will be an opportunity for Singapore to gain market share, not just from the point of view of the vaccine, but also from a broader perspective as well. With that, I'd like to hand over to Manfred, but I'll come back later to talk about the outlook, and then we can both answer your questions. Manfred, over to you.
Kok Khong Seah
executiveThanks, Alex. Good evening to all. I shall now take you through the financials, starting with the executive summary. Impacted by COVID pandemic, as SATS 2Q revenue dropped sharply by 54% to $231 million, and group PATMI decreased by 94 -- $93.9 million to a loss of $32.2 million (sic) [ $33.2 million ] compared to SATS 1Q loss of 43.7%, our 2Q loss has narrowed and is better off by $10.5 million. Included in the 2Q results, we have taken an impairment charge of $31.6 million for our overseas investments. Excluding the one-off items, SATS underlying losses for 2Q would reduce to $1.6 million. Share of earnings from associates and joint ventures dropped to a loss of $12.8 million, an improvement compared to 1Q loss of $31.4 million. SATS 2Q EBITDA is back to positive territory of $20.5 million, compared to a negative of $33.9 million in the last quarter. Group revenue, next slide. Group revenue declined 53.5% to $231 million due to the pandemic impact on aviation. Aviation revenue fell by 70%, resulting in lower meals volume and flights handled. Gateway and Food revenue dropped by $138 million and $131 million, respectively. Group OpEx fell $46.6 million with reduction across the board, except for depreciation and amortization. The most significant reduction was in soft costs, which dropped 61% due to government grants, lower contract services and reduction in manpower. In line with lower aviation revenue, license fees decreased by 79.6% to $4.5 million for the quarter. Group revenue continued to outpace the reduction in group OpEx net of government relief, notwithstanding SATS achieve breakeven for 2Q compared to an operating profit of $65 million for the same quarter last year. Our share of losses amounted to $12.8 million in the 2Q. As mentioned, we have taken an impairment charge of $31.6 million and a credit provision of $7.7 million for doubtful debt this quarter. To date, the group has taken a total of $90 million of impairment charges and credit provision since the pandemic started earlier this year, of which $51 million was taken in the fourth quarter of last year and further $39 million this quarter. PATMI declined by 1.5x to a loss of $33.2 million for the quarter. Now we're on Slide 13. Group revenue declined $522 million or 54.2% to $440.5 million. Aviation revenue fell 71.4% in the first half, with Gateway and Food revenue decreased by 46% and 65%, respectively. In tandem, group OpEx was lower at $364 million or 43.3% for reasons similar to that covered in the second quarter results. Share of losses of associates and joint venture deepened to $44.2 million and PATMI dropped by $192 million year-on-year to a loss of $76.9 million for the first half of the year. On Slide 14, segmental revenue for the second quarter. By segment, Food revenue decreased by 48.5%, while Gateway revenue fell by 61.1%. Food contributed 60% of SATS consol revenue this quarter compared to 64% in the same period last year. The change in the mix is due to the lower aviation volume and growth in non-aviation revenue. Food revenue -- non-aviation Food revenue due mainly to the consol effects of Country Foods. By industry, aviation revenue fell 70% and accounted for 55% of the group revenue this quarter compared to 85% in the second quarter of previous year. Non-aviation revenue grew 35%, contributed by Country Foods. Singapore accounted for more than 85% of SATS consol revenue. With the exception of Greater China, revenue in all other region -- regional markets have fallen. On Slide 15, the segmental revenue for the first half trended the same way as the second quarter, which I shall leave you to go over. But worth mentioning that aviation revenue, for the first half dropped, by 71.4%. On Slide 16, group OpEx for 2Q dropped by 46.6% or $201.3 million, most significant being the reduction in staff costs which fell 61.3%. The reduction in staff cost was due to several factors, including government grants, lower contract services and also lower headcount for the quarter. And license fee decreased by $17.6 million to $4.5 million for the quarter. Included in the Other cost is a credit provision of $7.7 million. Excluding such other costs would have decreased further by $26.8 million. Slide 17 shows the SATS share of revenue and our share of losses for the quarter. The impact of COVID-19 has affected all SATS associates and joint ventures in the region, resulting in a sharp decline of $26.5 million in SATS' share of earnings to a loss of $12.8 million for the quarter. All our joint ventures and associates were adversely affected by COVID-19, especially our Food JVs, cushioned by the better performing cargo JVs. On Slide 18, SATS share of revenue by region in 2Q. SATS share of revenue declined by 56% to $298 million, which is worse than the decline of 53.5% for consol revenue. The year-on-year change shows how significant the pandemic has affected our group financial performance across the region. At PATMI level, Singapore remains profitable at $25.2 million, held by the government reliefs extended to SATS. Please note that the impairment charge of $31.6 million was taken into the ASEAN numbers showing a PATMI loss of $42 million. Excluding the impairment charge, ASEAN region would have registered a loss of $10.4 million. Slide 19 sets out our financial position as at 30th September 2020. Total equity and total assets stood at $1.7 billion and $3.2 billion, respectively. Total debt has increased by $271 million due to additional drawdown of $270 million of credit facilities during the period. The increase in total debt has resulted in debt-to-equity ratio increasing to 0.45x. This is ex-IFRS 16. Cash balance as at September 2020 increased by a corresponding amount of $270 million to $818.5 million. Excluding total borrowings of $686 million of term loans and medium term notes, SATS is still in net cash position. ROE is at a negative of 4.9% as the group reported loss for the period. Moving on to the financial indicators in Slide 21, all our profitability indicators for the first half remains negative due to the year-to-date net loss. EBITDA margin for the quarter returned to positive territory at about 8.9%. EPS and ROE are both negative for the quarter because of the losses, and NAV per share has lowered to $1.38 per share as at September 2020. The cash flow slide would be my last slide, and overall, cash position increased by $269.6 million at $818.5 million for the first half. This is due to the additional drawdown in debt financing, as I mentioned earlier. Thank you very much, Alex.
Alexander Hungate
executiveThanks, Manfred. So let me just talk about the outlook now. We can show the outlook statement, which starts off by saying that the outlook will remain challenging because flight and passenger volumes are still heavily constrained by pandemic related travel restrictions. A demand for air cargo continues to be more resilient, as you saw in the quarterly numbers. Flight passenger and cargo volumes have all climbed from their lows in April, and I gave you some of the increases that we've seen quarter-on-quarter. But the trajectory of the recovery remains uncertain because we see COVID-19 resurgence in some companies, notably in Europe and North America. SATS is committed to supporting the safe reopening of air and cruise travel by helping to implement thorough passenger health testing protocols and innovative low-touch meal services and rigorous in-cabin cleaning. SATS, with our leading cold chain capabilities and protocols, is also ready to help airlines, shippers and forwarders in the distribution of the new vaccine for COVID-19 across our network of certified pharma handling cold chain operations once those vaccines become available. At the same time, we are continuing to grow in new customer segments, such as foodservice, fast casual restaurants, and retail, both supermarkets and small footprint with a wider range of products and services and some of them branded, as we talked about earlier. So that's the outlook. If I can kind of summarize what the takeaways are from the call. Obviously, it's still a challenging environment. We've got uncertainty about the future trajectory of the pandemic. And that's why, as Manfred mentioned, we've made further impairments and provisions this quarter totaling $39.3 million. This adds to the provisions and impairments we made in the fourth quarter of last year of $51.1 million. So that's in light of the considerable uncertainty that the aviation industry is facing. However, when you look underlying at our results, you do see improvement in volumes and revenue quarter-on-quarter. You also can note that there have been further cost reductions from one quarter to the next. So the year-on-year cost reductions in Q1 were 39.9% versus prior year. In Q2, you now see that the cost reductions are at 46.6% versus prior year. So we continue to have good cost management controls. This, when combined with the improvement in revenues, has meant that we've returned to a positive EBITDA this quarter, as Manfred mentioned earlier, with positive cash flow from operations before CapEx, as you can see from Page 22. There's also been a reduction in the losses from our joint ventures and associates. So last quarter, we lost $31.4 million from joint ventures and associates. This quarter, that loss has narrowed to $12.8 million. So although it's still very challenging, we are seeing progress from quarter-to-quarter. And of course, you'll have noticed, as Manfred pointed out, that we're still net cash on our balance sheet. So with that, I think that's a fairly good summary of what the takeaways are from this quarter, but we'd love to have your questions. So Serena, I'll hand back to you. We'll start the Q&A, please.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question, we have Rachael from UBS. Rachael, your line is open.
Rachael Tan
analystSorry, can you hear me?
Operator
operatorYes, we can. You may proceed.
Rachael Tan
analystYes. Sorry, I was on mute. Alex and Manfred, I have a question about your cold chain logistics. I know that the requirement for the Pfizer vaccine is a little bit different from what we see for the typical other pharma stuff in that you are looking at temperatures of minus 80 degrees. Would your cold chain facilities in Singapore as well as around the region, would they be able to handle that kind of temperatures and the sensitivity of the product?
Alexander Hungate
executiveI thought somebody would ask this question because actually, the minus 80 degrees is an extreme requirement that is not normally found for vaccine transportation. Having said that -- so the facilities themselves go down to minus 25. They are electric powered, right? Yes. So they're electric powered. That you can use electricity power to go down to minus 75, minus 80. But it's extremely inefficient. So our protocols for transporting at minus 75, 80, which we've done before, relates to liquid nitrogen cooling. So these units which are -- contains liquid nitrogen with the vaccine inside. We are certified to do handling at those temperatures, and we have done it before at minus 75, 80. The facilities themselves don't go that low, but there are no facilities who go that low because of what I mentioned to you earlier, that electric power cannot get that low under normal circumstances.
Rachael Tan
analystOkay. And I guess if we are looking at, say, a vaccine that is flying in from the U.S., has -- is your cold chain facility in Singapore as well as elsewhere, are they certified by, say, the FDA or the pharma companies?
Alexander Hungate
executiveYes. So the short answer is yes. We are certified for minus 75, minus 80 degrees, and we've done it before.
Rachael Tan
analystOkay. And sorry, and is this just in Singapore? Or can all your cold chain facilities that you mentioned, Beijing, Bangalore, Muscat, can they all handle at that kind of temperature as well?
Alexander Hungate
executiveYes. Yes, part of the CEIV pharma certification covers that very low-temperature requirement.
Operator
operatorNext, we have Yew Kiang from CLSA.
Yew Kiang Wong
analystCan you hear me?
Alexander Hungate
executiveYes. Please go ahead.
Yew Kiang Wong
analystYes. My -- I only have 1 question, which relates to the impairment. I recall that previous quarter, there was this impairment done and I remember -- I also feel that the same question, whether on the impairment side, we have been aggressive enough or rather conservative enough. But it seems like this is picking up in the second quarter. And I just want to know, I recall Manfred mentioned that this is relating to Asian operations. But can you talk about in which particular of your associates is it coming from? And also, can we expect this to -- on the impairment side to continue to pick up or should we expect anything else?
Alexander Hungate
executiveThanks, Yew Kiang, for your question. Yes, I recall your question from last quarter also. I think our answer at that time was that we are continuing to review circumstances for all of our JVs and associates to test for impairment requirement. That's exactly what we did this quarter. In these cases in ASEAN, which we can't name for -- I think you all understand why we can't name them. But for cases in ASEAN, there's new information about the -- either the business, the underlying business or the main customer, which may -- which just made us decide to take the impairments and/or the provisions. As you know, there's a lot of news flow every quarter about the aviation industry and some of its participants. And therefore, we want to be prudent and incorporate that into our outlook for the cash flow forecast for each of these entities. In the case of the ones that we took in ASEAN, the cash flow reductions that we made based upon the new information meant that it was prudent for us to take the impairment. Going forward to the second part of your question, I would give the same answer I gave last quarter or that Manfred gave to you last quarter, which is that we'll continue to take into account any new information that we get and if that requires us to take a -- to be prudent and take further impairments, then we would do so. At this point in time, clearly, we don't have any such information, otherwise, we would have made the impairment. So we've taken into account all the available information that we have at this time. So I can't say with certainty whether it's going to pick up or decline because it depends upon the evolution of what happens over the next quarter or so. So when we come to make the same assessment next quarter, if the news flow is more positive, of course, we won't need to. But if things start to deteriorate, then we may need to make further impairments. So we'll just have to see what the environment looks like at that time.
Yew Kiang Wong
analystOkay. Is there any region that you would be particularly concerned, I mean, given what information you have currently?
Alexander Hungate
executiveWell -- we've taken into account all the information that we have and made the impairments. And as you noticed and as Manfred pointed out earlier, those are in ASEAN at this time. We don't have further information about whether ASEAN will get worse or whether other regions could start to be more troubled in the next quarter. Like I said, it's hard for us to predict what the future news flow will be. But we'll -- so for the time being, I think we've made the right impairments and the right provisions that relate to everything -- all the available information that we have.
Carolyn Khiu
executiveWe have some questions off-line. Maybe we'll take the questions off-line first. The first question is from Kaseedit from Citi. "Why does JSS comps are even higher than the quarter versus the last quarter?"
Alexander Hungate
executiveOkay. Manfred, do you want to talk about how we are recognizing JSS smoothly across 17 months?
Kok Khong Seah
executiveOkay. Yes. So thanks, Alex. The JSS that we have is actually spread over a 17-month period. This is to comply with the ISCA guideline that has been issued sometime in August. So what -- how we did that was basically as we total up and basically spread it, by and large, over 17 months equally. Now what you are seeing, I believe this is Kaseedit, asking the question.
Alexander Hungate
executiveYes. It's Kaseedit. Yes.
Kok Khong Seah
executiveYour -- the amount of grants that's been disclosed in our SGX disclosure of $152.1 million, that's not all JSS. This is actually including all the government reliefs, CAG reliefs. And so it's a total number. We can't -- unfortunately, we are not able to share the specific. So we can't guide on how much of that is actually JSS.
Alexander Hungate
executiveOne component of that, though, what I'm happy to boast about is that we have been generating revenue from our own training academy called SATS Academy. So it's training not only our SATS people in digital and other future facing skills that we want to use to implement transformation projects, but also, we've training third-party companies like airlines and freight forwarders and even some personnel from other parts of the ecosystem, airports, et cetera. So we've created a profit center actually out of our training academy. And those revenues actually show up in the line that Manfred just mentioned.
Kok Khong Seah
executiveYes, absolutely. Alex, thanks for that. And the government relief also include similar JSS that we receive from overseas. So that is also included in that number. By and large, I think Kaseedit, you can assume that the JSS for both quarters are almost equal.
Carolyn Khiu
executiveOkay. Thank you, Manfred. We'll take another question from Jeffrey from The Edge. He's asking, "Non-aviation revenue grew by double-digit percentage in second quarter and first half. Can you explain the drivers behind the growth? Do you continue to see similar growth in non-aviation revenue ahead?"
Alexander Hungate
executiveOkay. Let me cover that one. Thanks, Jeffrey. The majority of the increase in non-aviation revenue, which this quarter rose by 35%, was from the consolidation of acquisitions that we made, in particular, Country Food. Country Food began to be incorporated in June -- no, in...
Kok Khong Seah
executiveOctober last -- no, no. August last year.
Alexander Hungate
executiveAugust. So in fact, you've got a partial quarter with 1 month from last year and then 3 months from this year of that revenue, which accounts for the 35% increase. Underlying, though, there's some other movements in the constituents of that revenue stream, which I should explain to you. Non-aviation includes cruise, of course. So a year ago, we were -- I think we hosted about 35 cruise ships in that quarter -- second quarter last year, whereas this year, it was 0. So the revenue from cruise has completely disappeared. Similarly, some of you were asking last quarter about the pandemic-related revenues from feeding foreign workers and also from housing foreign workers. So some of that has decreased quarter-on-quarter as you expected. And then making up for those -- the drop in those 2 components, we have had an increase in our new, more sustainable growth strategies for non-aviation, as I described in the slides earlier, selling into retail and food service chains. So it's hard to see that because they somehow net out, but you will see that in future quarters, that's an underlying business which will help us to pivot the business to get a better balance between aviation and non-aviation food revenue in the future.
Carolyn Khiu
executiveAll right. Selena, we'll go back to online questions. Next one please.
Operator
operatorOur next question we have Siew Khee from CIMB.
Lim Siew Khee
analystCan you hear me?
Alexander Hungate
executiveSiew Khee, yes. Go ahead. We can hear you.
Lim Siew Khee
analystCan you just confirm the stock strain this quarter versus last quarter? I may have missed that earlier on at your presentation.
Alexander Hungate
executiveYes, this quarter, it was 13,000. This time, last quarter, it was 13,500, if you remember. So there's been a further reduction of 500.
Lim Siew Khee
analystOkay. All right. So that would be the key reasons of -- that would include the subcontractor cost that you mentioned earlier that actually helped the reduction in yourself costs in addition to the grant, right? These are the reasons for the reduction of staff costs, right?
Alexander Hungate
executiveThose -- the 2 things you just mentioned are drivers of reduction in staff costs. But of course, they don't impact the reported headcount at all. Reported headcount are our own full-time employees, equivalent.
Lim Siew Khee
analystOkay. So the -- okay. So the 13.5% is reported headcount. Sorry, I just wanted to get like -- you said that the subcon number also reduced -- headcount also reduced. So I should be looking at this 500 number that has come down Q-on-Q.
Alexander Hungate
executiveYes. So for our own full time equivalent, so the staff that work for us and our subsidiaries, that number has reduced in terms of headcount from 13,500 last quarter to 13,000 this quarter. In addition to that, as you note, we've reduced staff costs quite dramatically year-on-year. So a reduction in our own full-time equivalent is one of the drivers of that. In addition, you named 2 other drivers. One is the reduction in subcontracting costs and then government reliefs have also supported that. Overall, government relief account for about 40% of the reduction in staff costs. The other 60% are from measures that management has taken to reduce the costs on a going-forward basis.
Lim Siew Khee
analystOkay. And also, you mentioned that JSS is stable Q-on-Q. But this quarter, you also had training and other reliefs. So can I also just confirm that this might actually taper off in the coming quarters? Should I be looking at using this $70-over-million total relief in the next few quarters? Just wanted to get a guide on that.
Kok Khong Seah
executiveSome of it will come off. Yes. We think training is a sustainable component going forward. But some of the release from governments overseas have limited windows that they may get extended. But for the time being, we expect them to come off. So you should see that number come down a little. We can't predict exactly how much it will come down, but it will probably come down next quarter.
Lim Siew Khee
analystOkay. And also just on the associates. I noticed that Cargo, I mean, Gateway has been very strong this quarter to almost just profitable. I mean it's like minus 1 -- minus $2 million of losses. Are there any write-backs when we just go through that line? Is this sustainable?
Alexander Hungate
executiveNo. There were no write-backs on the cargo line. That is the performance, the underlying performance that you're seeing there. And it relates to the fact that as we've been noting that cargo volumes have been resilient all the way through the pandemic. And in fact, quarter-on-quarter, they continue to rise. In fact, if you remember, I said it rose by 22% in volume from the first quarter to the second quarter. So we continue to see a strong demand for cargo. As I mentioned earlier, it's really more constrained by supply than demand. I think the demand is there. This week, we're going through the 11/11 phenomenon. I call it a phenomenon, I think, across Asia, and now it's spreading into the West as well. This drives huge demand for e-commerce and air freight. But there's simply not enough planes line to carry at all.
Operator
operatorOur next question, we have Rachael from UBS.
Rachael Tan
analystManfred and Alex again. I probably just want to ask another question about your headcount and your staff. Given that there is a lot of uncertainty in terms of the trajectory of recovery, how are you -- what sort of mechanisms do you have to kind of juggle your workforce between the different divisions? Are there any mechanisms that you have to bring some of your long-term lease staff into the fold in the future? Also, are you able to share, in terms of your headcount of 13,000, what proportion of it is currently actively working and what proportion is -- just simply remains hired by the company?
Alexander Hungate
executiveSo let me give you the -- I think that what we've done is we do have a proportion of our staff who are on -- I wouldn't say no pay day, but on reduced pay. And they're basically on standby if we -- for the situation where we see a notable return to increased volumes for passengers and flights. So far, the recall of those staff has been very limited. And we have put in place another mechanism in parallel, which is basically multi-skilling and re-skilling the existing core staff. In many cases, those people have been redeployed from other parts of the business and have gone through the SATS Academy to enable them to take on new roles in parts of the business that are more busy. But that gives us an intrinsic agility and versatility that we didn't have before the pandemic. So that's our main effort, frankly, is to multi-skill our people for greater productivity and cross deployment going forward. And then the recall of additional staff is kind of the fallback option if there are particular critical skills that we can't easily retrain and re-skill people in the existing workforce to do. That will be the case in certain cases, certain specialized roles. But the majority of the new growth that we've taken has been handled by redeployment of people who have been retrained during the pandemic. I won't give you an exact proportion of those that are on reduced pay because it's a bit sensitive, if you don't mind.
Rachael Tan
analystOkay. That's fine. Okay, I have another question. This is regards to potential expansion opportunities. You see that underlying airfreight demand is very strong. I understand that your facilities are still currently underutilized relative to pre-COVID levels, i.e., will you be looking at either expanding your cargo presence or -- in different cities or even like expanding your existing presence to anticipate future growth? Or are you still happy with where you are in terms of your investments in your average handling facilities?
Alexander Hungate
executiveOkay. Two of the big takeaways from the pandemic, in our view are the drive towards greater resilience of supply chain, particularly for perishable food, supply items and also for medical and pharmaceuticals. We think that this is a permanent increase in demand for resilience. And therefore, it's an area that we want to invest in. So we are a market leader in Asia for perishable handling. We have started to increase our presence for e-commerce as well. We see that the -- another big takeaway is the number of people that have tried and adopted e-commerce has increased. So the reach of e-commerce has grown during the crisis. And then the penetration, the frequency of use of e-commerce by existing users, has also grown related to phenomenon such as work-from-home and also the natural opportunity during lockdowns for people to seek out these kinds of services. We believe that some of that will stick and that the volume of retail that will go through e-commerce going forward and the volume of food delivery that will go through e-commerce going forward will be higher. And therefore, another area where we want to invest in is the airfreight capabilities that facilitate e-commerce. One example of that is our e-commerce sortation hub at Changi, but we have other such initiatives under discussion in other parts of Asia that would be set up as adjacencies to our cargo terminal operations to give us increased revenues from the adjacencies, but also to make our cargo term operations more sticky with the core airline customers. And so the answer is yes, but particularly with an emphasis on e-commerce and an emphasis on temperature-sensitive goods such as perishable food items and medical.
Rachael Tan
analystI note that the CapEx involved in just building up these, say, specific e-commerce facilities is quite high. I mean you look at the cost that you spent for the e-commerce facility that you have in Changi Airport. I'm just wondering what -- if you're looking at all these sort of adjacencies, what sort of capital are you expecting to be deployed? Or are you holding an amount and do you have an amount in mind that you intend to spend on some of these businesses? Or you -- or you're not really thinking about that right now?
Alexander Hungate
executiveYes, the facilities can -- the greenfield facilities can vary in size and scope. The one here at Changi, which is quite a significant one for e-commerce, cost us in the SGD 20 million, SGD 25 million range. Sometimes there can be existing site -- existing businesses and assets that we can buy with revenue. And of course, sometimes those cost a bit more, but those also come often with positive or accretive cash flows. So if you recall, we purchased 49% of the Mumbai CSC cargo handling operation just over a year ago, and that is one such example where it came with positive cash flow and has been accretive to us and it's currently profitable and accretive. So those come at slightly higher price tax because they bring cash flow as well as the facility. So all of those are on the radar. And we'll be obviously hoping that there'll be some assets available at relatively attractive prices as a result of the stress that some players in the market have fallen under. We also -- if I can just take a little moment to talk about some strategy piece. We also have completed the rollout of our cargo operating system, the digital cloud-based cargo operating system that is the new generation of how we run our cargo terminals and can link together the cargo operations across the region that SATS manages. So that rollout is finished in Singapore. So all of our cargo business in Singapore is currently operating smoothly and seamlessly using the new cloud-based COSYS system. We have also rolled it out to the Dah Sing Airport, one of the newest and most technologically advanced airports in the world, and that's gone seamlessly as well. And we will continue to roll that out as a Software-as-a-Service type business model to various associates and joint ventures across the region. So that is -- that can be more of an asset-light approach to creating value in the e-commerce space in particular, but also for temperature handling because we can use that system to share monitored-temperature handling conditions for each cargo shipment. So I just wanted to talk about that a little bit because that's a bit different than the traditional asset-heavy growth trajectory that we've had in the past. So we now have options to acquire assets where those are attractive, but also we can go asset-light and still increase the network benefit of being part of the SATS network.
Carolyn Khiu
executiveOkay. I think we are at a little past 7 o'clock now. We'll take the last 3 questions, which are off-line questions. I think the first one is from [ T.K. ] from Business Times. This is in reference to Rachel's question earlier. He wants us to clarify the sets of the capabilities to handle Pfizer's vaccine. And separately, we are successful in reducing costs. So which segment of the cost base will we be looking at further cutting?
Alexander Hungate
executiveSo just to confirm, thanks for the question. Just to confirm, yes, we can handle the Pfizer vaccine, even though it requires temperature handling of minus 75 to 80 degrees. We are certified to do that, as are several of our subsidiaries and associates who have received the CEIV Pharma certification. And in fact, we have already handled, not this vaccine, but we've handled shipments that require temperatures of similar to the vaccine. So we know that it's something that we have the capability to do. It's a tested capability. In terms of the cost base, we are reviewing some of the overseas operations currently, and we do expect some of those to show reduced reductions in-force -- we'll be implementing reductions in-force in some overseas locations in the coming quarter. So again, I would -- you should expect the headcount to drift down a little bit further than what you're seeing currently. And then, of course, we're always looking at opportunities to become more efficient and use technology to implement productivity improvements. During the pandemic, we have accelerated some of our technology projects. And so some of those will come online over the next quarter or 2, so we might be able to see further reductions even in places like in some larger places like Singapore where we can implement those productivity improvements. But those will be relatively smaller than the overseas ones.
Carolyn Khiu
executiveThank you, Alex. We have another question from Daniel [indiscernible] from [ Temasek ]. Do you expect the headcount to remain at the current level or will it go back to previous level once recovery is achieved?
Alexander Hungate
executiveOkay. Thanks for the question. So I think I mentioned that we expect the headcount to continue to come down a bit further still in the coming quarters. But then your question is asking about what will happen upon recovery. Some of the technology projects that we've been investing in during the pandemic when operations were relatively less busy, once they're implemented, will definitely bring productivity benefits. And so our goal is that we, by introducing these technologies, we will end up with higher operating leverage when the rebound occurs. So obviously, our cost base is lower today, but we hope that the operating leverage will mean that the cost base will not rise as fast as it would have done in the past for similar volumes. That's our goal. So we'll have to -- that's the target that we've set for our management teams as well. So we'll have to make sure that we extract the benefit from the investments we've made in the technology and the IT projects that we're implementing to make sure that, that's the case going forward.
Carolyn Khiu
executiveOkay, thank you, Alex. One last question from John [ Hall ] of [ GENCO ]. He's asking more details on the nature of the cost reduction that we've done. In particular, some costs would be permanent cost reductions and some are temporary depending on the business activities. Can we have more details on this?
Alexander Hungate
executiveYes. So a couple of maybe useful guidelines to share with you to answer this question. Some of the cost reduction is due to the government relief. And of course, you should consider those to be temporary. Of the staff reduction, 40% of the staff reduction costs are related to government release. So it's only 60% that relates to the more sustainable reductions that we've made in terms of rightsizing and then implementing some of these improved processes and technologies. So I think you should have that in mind. In the Food business, of course, something like 20% to 30% of the costs are related to raw materials. So that is volume related. Some of the utilities costs, but not all, but most of the utilities costs are also volume related. License fees often tend to be related to share of revenue. So those will be volume-related as well. So you should -- if you're trying to model this, you should look at those line items as being variable.
Carolyn Khiu
executiveOkay. Thank you. We've come to the end of today's session. Thank you, everyone, for calling in, and have a good evening.
Alexander Hungate
executiveThanks, everybody.
Kok Khong Seah
executiveThank you.
Operator
operatorThank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we have come to the end of our webinar. You may now disconnect.
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