Saudi Arabian Oil Company (2222) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 4, 2025
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorWelcome to the Saudi Aramco's Third Quarter 2025 Results Call. We will be holding a question-and-answer session following the presentation. [Operator Instructions]. I shall now hand over to Mr. Peter Hutton to begin.
Peter Hutton
executiveHello, and welcome to this audio broadcast discussing Saudi Aramco's Third Quarter 2025 results. I'm Peter Hutton, Head of Investor Relations at Aramco, and I'm pleased to be joined today by Amin Nasser, President and CEO; and Ziad Al-Murshed, Executive Vice President and CFO. Our broadcast today will include a short presentation and question-and-answer session, and we expect the call to last up to an hour. Please refer to the cautionary statement on forward-looking information or regulatory filings and our website for more details. With that, I will now hand over the call to Amin.
Amin Nasser
executiveThank you, Peter, and welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Today, we have announced very strong results for the third quarter, and we are also significantly increasing our guidance for longer-term growth. This includes raising our sales gas production capacity growth target by 2030 to around 80% from 60% over 2021 production levels, increasing the incremental operating cash flow outlook from our gas program to $12 billion to $15 billion in 2030 from 2024 levels, which is around $3 billion to $5 billion growth from previous guidance. Building on our clear advantages and scale in technology and digitalization to take a next level position in Gen AI while meeting the higher energy demand from data centers with our higher gas supply availability and maintaining our strong focus on reliability and financial trends which continues to differentiate Aramco and position us for longer-term success. In the third quarter, Aramco delivered strong momentum in operating results and financial performance. Our adjusted net income of $28 billion rose 14% from the previous quarter and was up year-on-year, driven largely by the increase in crude production. Total liquids production at the end of the third quarter was around 1 million barrels per day higher than the start of the second quarter. A reminder of the scale and flexibility of our assets and the upside to earnings. Our free cash flow of $23.6 billion in the third quarter is up 55% quarter-on-quarter and 7% year-on-year. In our gas business, there is strong momentum in both demand and supply which has led us to revise up our sales gas production capacity growth target to around 80% by 2030. This is the second upward revision on our gas growth target originally from 50% growth compared with 2021 levels to over 60% and now around 80%. With this, we now expect the higher gas growth to generate $12 billion to $15 billion in incremental operating cash flow in 2030, a significant increase from our previous target. Our results demonstrate our strategic approach to value-focused investment and cash flow maximization. We are delivering on our advantaged growth programs, which will drive long-term value creation for our shareholders. Aramco today is a larger gas producer than any of the major IOCs serving a market which is the sixth largest in the world and a captive market for Aramco, which is growing rapidly. That growth had underpinned our earlier guidance to increase 2030 sales gas production capacity by more than 60%. As we develop our plans, we see demand growth increasing more than previously forecasted, including higher demand from additional users such as AI data centers. We are also delivering material improvement and efficiencies and operating potential across the gas portfolio from reserve delineation enhanced drilling techniques and the application of new technologies. The combination of these factors together drive the increase in our new guidance to grow production capacity by around 80% by 2030, up from 60% from the same plans and projects. That's about a 33% increase in gas growth, which we expect to be especially attractive for investors. But this increase in gas and production of more high-value associated liquids, we expect the scale of our gas program by 2030 will be around 6 million barrels of oil equivalent per day. This will be larger than any IOCs total hydrocarbon production in 2024, let alone gas. Aramco has been at the forefront of world-class technology in the energy sector for decades. Our unique scale, exclusive operating position and financial strength enable us to deploy technology at a level unmatched by any other energy company. We are utilizing digitalization and now AI more extensively. We process of our $10 billion data points daily drawn from 90 years of exclusive operational data generating insight and decision-making capabilities. Our investment in technology and computing power such as Dammam-7, one of the most powerful supercomputers in the world and in the industry's first industrial large language AI model are driving innovation and improvement through deep learning and continuous evolution. AI is already a critical driver in our focus and commitment to technology and R&D and is generating tangible returns. 2023 and 2024 and we achieved a combined $6 billion of technology realized value, which has been independently verified. And around half of that $4 billion realized in 2024 was driven by AI solutions. Our recent announcement to invest in HUMAIN represent a transformational shift that build on our significant advantages accelerate value creation for Aramco to build our competitive advantages through AI. This planned investment combines the AI program and initiative for both Aramco and Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund into HUMAIN. It will drive HUMAIN's operations and growth as a regional leading AI infrastructure, cloud services and AI applications provider. Through HUMAIN exclusive right in the Kingdom, we can develop impactful and scalable AI capabilities and also benefit from revenue growth potential. The AI tech transformation offers an attractive value proposition with increasing energy demand from AI power data center. We are well positioned to capture these opportunities with our increased gas supply capacity investment and renewable energy sources, along with one of the lowest hydrocarbon costs and upstream carbon and methane intensities. The combination of scale technology and efficiency gives Aramco a structural advantage as the energy system becomes increasingly digital, reinforcing our position as a global leader and energy technology. Before handing over the call to Ziad, let me provide some insight on the macro environment. Despite concerns about the embed of global tariffs, the world economy remains healthy, with estimates for world GDB growth now at 2.8%, up from 2.6%. And as seen on the top right chart of this slide, consensus estimate indicate 2 million barrels per day of growth from the first half to the second half of this year, which is a substantial upward revision of 500,000 barrels per day from previous consensus forecast. For full year 2025, we expect record oil demand of at least 106 million barrels per day, with market fundamentals remaining strong. Inventories are stable and below the 5-year average despite OPEC+ unwinding. Refining margins have doubled in certain regions with refineries operating at maximum capacity at end, which may continue into next year. Given these signals, we recognize the need for continued oil investment to meet rising demand. As you can see in the bottom right chart, the volume of resources that reached FID over the past decade have tagged behind production failing to replace 100% of barrels produced -- and in fact, resources achieving FID as a proportion of annual depletion is estimated to reach a low of 32% this year. Supply in recent year is supported by resources that reached FID during the high investment period of 2008, 2014. As demand continues to rise in the years ahead, there is a greater need for investment. At Aramco, we are well positioned to capture the potential upside and maximize shareholder value. And let me now hand over to Ziad to discuss our Q3 operational and financial performance.
Ziad Al-Murshed
executiveThank you, Amin, and welcome, everyone. In the third quarter, we continued to deliver on our industry-leading growth programs with a very strong set of results. We are delivering strong operational momentum in our businesses, with several major liquids and gas projects coming online soon. These include Marjan and Berri projects, which are on track for completion by year-end, and will add a combined 550,000 barrels per day of crude oil production capacity. Our gas expansion projects, including Jafurah Phase I the vast unconventional mega project and a crown jewel of our portfolio and Tanajib gas plants are also on track for completion by year-end. Together, these add 1.3 billion standard cubic feet per day of combined sales gas production capacity. In the third quarter, we secured $11.1 billion of proceeds through the Jafurah midstream transaction with an international consortium. In Downstream, we continued to capture value through integration. 54% of our crude oil production was utilized by our own downstream system in the first 3 quarters of 2025. We are strengthening our operational excellence with strong operational availability and our supply reliability remained high at 99.9% as of Q3. Our strong performance has demonstrated the resilience of Aramco's integrated portfolio underscoring the effectiveness of our strategy, while capturing value across the hydrocarbon value chain. Zooming into our financial performance. As Amin outlined, our strong results in Q3 captured the impact of increased crude oil volumes, but also a strong performance throughout our business. Our gas production in Q3 was the highest ever since our IPO and downstream adjusted EBIT was the strongest since Q1 of 2024, when we started to provide the data. Upstream adjusted EBIT was $51.5 billion, up 15% from Q2. And Downstream adjusted EBIT was resilient quarter-on-quarter at $2.6 billion. Our group adjusted net income was $28 billion, up 14% from Q2 and also up year-on-year. Capital investments were $12.9 billion in Q3, taking the total to $38.4 billion in the first 3 quarters of this year. We continue to deliver our investment program on track and in guidance. We previously announced we expected 2025 range of $52 billion to $58 billion Today, we are narrowing this guidance to the lower half of that range from $52 billion to $55 billion. Free cash flow this quarter has increased by 55% to $23.6 billion compared to last quarter, driven by strong operating activities and financial discipline. Our financial position remains strong with balance sheet gearing of 6.3% at the end of September, slightly down on Q2 and remains industry-leading. Our 12-month rolling ROACE was 18.4%, which is around twice the average of our peers despite an impact from our significant capital investment program with assets under construction of around $110 billion increase in capital employed is not yet operational to generate attractive returns. Our resilience and ability to generate strong cash flows in any macro environment underscores the visibility of shareholder distributions. We expect significant upside in our operating cash flows based on projected demand. Our revised gas program growth target of around 80% is now expected to generate a further $12 billion to $15 billion of operating cash flow and our downstream business is expected to generate an incremental $8 billion to $10 billion of operating cash flow from further growth and performance improvements in 2030. And as we have demonstrated, we are able to increase crude oil volumes quickly, efficiently and with little incremental cost. Our rule of thumb is that every 1 million barrels per day of additional crude oil production translates into an additional $11 billion of annual operating cash flow based on 2025 average prices year-to-date. For illustration, if we were to use half of our available capacity in 2030. The additional $16.5 billion compared to 2024, plus the $20 billion to $25 billion from gas and downstream, would equate to around $40 billion additional operating cash flow. That would be around 30% higher in annualized operating cash flows in 2030 versus 2024, providing further upside potential to future distributions. The visibility of our dividend framework is underpinned by a progressive and sustainable base dividend offering resilience on the downside with our performance-linked dividend sharing any further upside. We've built a clear and consistent track record of our quarterly base dividend, which we grew over the past 3 years by about 13% to reach $21.1 billion this quarter as declared by the Board. In addition, a performance-linked dividend of $220 million has been declared aligned with our previously communicated mechanism. Both of these dividends will be distributed to shareholders later this month. In summary, we are able to deliver very attractive dividend growth and visibility even as we are reinvesting significantly in our business to sustain advantage, capture opportunities and build a stronger platform for further cash flow growth well into the future. Before we take your questions, let me recap our growth trajectory and investment proposition. We saw strong results in the quarter, thanks to increased liquid and gas production, helping increase cash flows. We are well positioned to grow operating cash flows even more in the future. We will continue to lead in technology and our further investments in AI are expected to support more value creation through digital transformation. We believe this continues to make Aramco a very attractive investment proposition. With that, thank you for your attention. Amin, Peter and I are pleased to take your questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] I shall now hand back over to Mr. Hutton.
Peter Hutton
executiveThank you very much. And our first question comes Iyad Ghulam from SNB.
Iyad Khalid Ghulam
analystCongratulations on the strong results. I have 2 questions. The first one is regarding the additional gas capacity. What was the main enabler for that increase from 60% to 80%? And will that increase lead to higher CapEx? That's my first question. The second question is about the decline in OpEx, which supported the results in Q3. Can you please just some light on the drivers behind the lower OpEx? And is that driven by efficiency? Or is that sustainable in the long term?
Amin Nasser
executiveThank you. I'll take the first question, and Ziad will answer the second one. With regard to the additional gas, as you remember, we have been saying before that it will increase by 50% compared to our 2021 production level and then we increased investment now we increased it to 80% is a result of our continued operational improvement in our operation, capitalizing on a lot of technologies that we are capturing to higher productivity from existing world. Don't forget these are -- as we sell more in the field and we put more slot in the different fields, we gain more information and capitalizing on our ability through the technology and efficiency improvement and sales, we are able to increase capacity capturing more production from even existing banks that had flexibility for added additional production on gas. So it is efficiency improvement. It is technology higher productivity from the existing worlds, which helped us to do with minimal, we mentioned -- we highlighted it is a minimal capital or to increase -- to achieve that increase in that increased from 60% to 80%. So there is no higher capital that would be required to achieve that growth that we are planning for. Ziad?
Ziad Al-Murshed
executiveYes. On your second question, the lower operating costs are mainly due to lower royalty associated with the lower oil price versus last year as well as the lower value purpose.
Peter Hutton
executiveThank you, Iyad. And the next question comes from Michele Della Vigna of Goldman Sachs.
Michele Della Vigna
analystAnd really, congratulations on the strong delivery target upgrade and the focus on capital efficiency. I wanted to come back to your comment on the AI-driven value generation because it's clearly a very important topic. And I was wondering if you could lay out how you see that increasing the productivity, especially of your upstream? And given that you continue to increase production. I was just wondering how you're thinking about on one side, all of this productivity improvement and on the other side, perhaps the need to start increasing some of your rig count in the country and longer term, maybe restart the Safaniya tender process, which was stopped back in 2022, but which at some point could become another important assets to continue to support your sector-leading growth?
Amin Nasser
executiveThank you, Michele. Aramco has been at the forefront of developing technology since the beginning. We are different than other companies as we are able to quantify and recognize it dollar value. We have mentioned before that in 2023 and 2024, the total realized value from technology is $6 million. Almost 50% of that is related to AI. Our target going forward, for example, '25 and beyond is $2 billion to $4 billion of technology realized value. So it is something that we are expecting to benefit from. But for AI to benefit from the full scale of AI and technology and digitalization, I always say you need to have their computing infrastructure. For example, if you look at Aramco, there are 2 multiple, what we call, high-performance computer. There is 2 supercomputers that exist. We had -- we built the infrastructure connectivity via satellite or transmitters or fiber optics between the field and the central areas for better control over many, many years, not to mention you need the quality of data, and this is something that we are good at. We have more than 90 years of historical geological data. And we -- every day, we receive 10 billion daily data points to receive that match of data points and benefit out of that in terms of your analytical and evaluation, you need to have the infrastructure. One thing that is also more important to realize the value, you need to have the talent is a most important thing. It's not only the data scientist, the 200 or 300 data scientist exists in the company. It is the subject matter professionals that are in the different plants, and we have 6,000 today in Aramco trained on AI. That's why the number of use cases in Aramco is increasing over the year. We have now more than 400 use case. Each use case is a project because it has that impact yield in a column in a plant or its impact productivity from an existing plan. And -- or you look at individual worlds, we can maximize the productivity from existing worlds, capitalizing on AI technology by putting our lateral in more productive zone. This needs a lot of analytical and data and your share of ours and simulation capability that is not matched anywhere in the world in terms of the capability that we have to all of that simulation runs, simultaneously while we're drilling these worlds. So we have benefited over time. And we are one of the few companies that we look at the realized value every year, and we use a third party to ensure that, that realized value is captured in our books. So it's something that I think -- we believe in AI and digitalization and the benefit of it. But as I said, without the infrastructure, it's not about bringing GBUs and ships and putting them in a data center, and you think you can achieve the same. It is about the connectivity about building that infrastructure. And we have put a lot of investment over the years to ensure that we have what we have today in terms of utilization. And that helps us -- and our -- what you've seen today in our gas growth from 60% to 80%, capturing all of that. With regard to your comments regarding Safaniya that we put it. Remember in a project that we were looked at before were based on us going to 13 million barrels. Now the capacity and MSC, the maximum sustained capacity for Aramco is 12. So anything that is required to maintain the capacity is still ongoing. Berri is still on. Marjan is on, sort of, heavy is on and other infill drilling required is still on. So we have a very strong maintain potential program to ensure that our maximum seen capacity is available when needed in the market. But we are not really -- and when there is a need to bring additional increments in the future to maintain that capacity or if the government asked to increase that capacity beyond the first [ billion ]. We are -- increments are readily available to -- and our reserve base of more than [ 250 billion ] barrels is readily available to increase our capacity if required.
Peter Hutton
executiveThank you, Michele. And the next question is from Sashank Lanka of Bank of America.
Sashank Lanka
analystCongratulations on a solid set of results. I have 2 questions from my side. Just in terms of the incremental gas sales target that you're mentioning, I was just wondering if, again, it's going to be mainly focused on the domestic market. The reason I ask that is we, in the past, understood that 1 million barrels per day of oil will be replaced by about 5 billion cubic feet per day of gas for power generation. So just wondering this incremental production, is that all still going to go to domestic markets? Or is there some other use as well? That's the first question. And the second question is with regards to the midstream deal, Jafurah that you did the proceeds of $11.1 billion. which quarter are you going to realize that in your cash flows? And how should we be looking at those proceeds in the context of your dividend -- cash available for dividend payments?
Amin Nasser
executiveThank you, Sashank. With regard to the gas, we are generating measure return through captive domestic demand, including the growth from AI data centers in the Kingdom. And definitely, the market in Saudi Arabia, even with the build of renewables, still there is need for more gas, either our industry, utility and now what's coming through its data centers and requirements in the future for data centers and that would require energy. Any additional beyond this gas beyond satisfying the Kingdom requirement, it can be utilized for low carbon hydrogen profile that there is an offtake or we will continue to evaluate LNG as an option. If there is excess demand or supply beyond the Kingdom requirement for that. With regard to midstream Jafurah, I think Ziad will talk about that. I think It's in the fourth quarter, but Ziad can shed more light.
Ziad Al-Murshed
executiveSo Sashank, we've already received the proceeds that will be reflected like Amin said in Q4, the use of it, just a reminder that this is part of our portfolio optimization program. And so the use of this is mainly to be redeployed according to our cash priorities. Our cash prides have not changed. So I mean it's cash, cash is fungible. So if you're tying it to dividends, it's again, the priorities are sustating CapEx followed by the base dividend, followed by growth and then followed by additional distributions for further deleveraging. So -- this is our -- we're delivering on what we said in the portfolio optimization program that we've unlocked this capital.
Peter Hutton
executiveThanks, Sashank. The next question is from Kim Fustier of HSBC.
Kim Fustier
analystI noticed the strength in operating cash flow this quarter, which drove I believe, dispersed reduction in your gearing ratio since mid-2023. So the growth in cash flow was twice of adjusted net income compared to the second quarter. Could you talk about the moving parts? Anything in particular that boosted cash conversion this quarter? And then my second question is just going back to gas. Jafurah, I believe only part of your gas expansion program towards the 80% growth target, could you talk about the other contributions from conventional fields, gas separation, et cetera?
Amin Nasser
executiveThank you, Kim. Ziad will answer the first question, and I will -- with regard to your second question about whether Jafurah is still the same. We are talking about the $2 billion by 2030. We start first is this quarter. But you are right, it is coming from the different increments that we have in the field, different plans that we have, Haradh and Hawiyah at our plan and incremental capacity that we have in [indiscernible] the energy gas plants that we are putting on this year, which is one of the biggest plant at $2.6 billion. And of course, as I say, there is a Hawiyah expansion -- public expansion and then additional, as you said, capacity even in existing [indiscernible] that have capacity, they have more flexibility by adding more production to [ 80% ]. Ziad?
Ziad Al-Murshed
executiveKim, on your second question on operating cash flow, we did indeed see an increase in free cash flow quarter-on-quarter of 5%. The -- some of the moving parts. You've seen us do -- of course, the earnings are higher. So that's the major driver. And we had a favorable movement in working capital. And then lastly, you've seen us limit or narrow the capital guidance range to the lower end. And so the run rate during the third quarter was lower. So those are the main 3 moving parts.
Peter Hutton
executiveAnd the next question is from Henri Patricot of UBS.
Henri Patricot
analystTwo questions, please, on the past target. The first one, on the associated cash flow growth, which has gone to 15 -- 15, sorry, from 9 to 10. So wider range last time around, wondering what's driving that wider range? And maybe if you can share some of the assumptions around liquids prices. And then I wanted to check as well in terms of the timing of this extra production and cash flows over the next few years. Is that quite evening spread over the next 5 years or more back-end-loaded?
Amin Nasser
executiveThank you, Henri. Definitely, as we bring more incremental production, as we say, this all reference to the 2021 actual production of gas. And our plan every year, we are bringing additional production. So that will be reflected on the additional operating cash flow that we will be receiving from these increments. Anything regarding the range, Ziad?
Ziad Al-Murshed
executiveSo I mean, this additional production and therefore, the cash flow will start -- actually, we're starting this fourth quarter, and then it will ramp up. So you'll see it as we ramp up the production of the gas, a lot of it is back loaded. I didn't understand the first question.
Peter Hutton
executiveAbout the range. If I can just intervene on that one, Henri, I wouldn't think if there's a widening of the range and greater uncertainty. I think of it in terms of the base being increased from 9% to 12%, and there's additional further upside reflected in the 12% to 15%. So think it's taking the whole thing up, and it's coming from no changes in price assumptions. It's more reflective of the scale of the volume potential. The next question is from Irene Himona of Bernstein.
Irene Himona
analystCongratulations. First, a quick one. I wanted to ask, given the OPEC agreement to date, what crude oil production growth do you anticipate in the fourth quarter compared to the third? And then my second question on chemicals. We heard in this result season from all the IOCs that the cycle remains depressed and they do not expect a quick recovery. You're obviously a major player. You have all major projects due to start up. I wanted to ask what A, what you're seeing? And secondly, what do you expect in terms of that cycle in 2026.
Amin Nasser
executiveWith regard to big announcement unwinding, they -- so far, total announced winding around 2.6 million barrels per day of [ Palantir ]. It started from April. Saudi Arabia has the highest allocation of the OpEx plus unwinding with production to increase by around 1.1 million barrels per day from March through December. This is based also on the latest announcement of [ $137 million ] that was unwinded yesterday or the day before, yes. Of course, when there is additional production that comes to Aramco comes with little or no additional cost because of our spare capacity that avails that additional production at no additional cost. And we always say, based on our rule of thumb, each 1 million-barrel increase in production is expected to generate an annual additional operating cash flow of about $11 billion based on 2025 average price year-to-date. Now back to your question about chemical and petrochemical. Well, there is additional capacity that come over the last 5 years are putting pressure evenly on the margins forcing closures and rationalization in the industry. The base of the recovery will benefit from the strong demand growth coupled and effort to rationalize supply mainly in Europe and Asia. Aramco assets are well positioned to navigate potential challenge and certain performance, thanks to diversified portfolio global presence and competitive advantage. For example, China petrochemical demand is 189 million tonnes per annum this year, representing 42% of the global market. And the Chinese petrochemical market saw significant growth of 52% for the last 5 years and is expected to continue growing steadily and we always say China is driving for [ efficiency ] has provided us with a great opportunity as at Aramco to participate in that capacity growth. Basically, we're benefiting from both side. The market is there, these chemicals are used as part of their need for carbon fiber for electric vehicles for the wind turbines for solar panels. And at the same time, we are placing our barrels. If you notice, most of our investment is [indiscernible] a 10% or 20% comes with a 70% placement on that facility. So we are glacing our barrels. So we will benefit from both sides, a growth market -- so definitely it's a growth market, but it impacted other markets because it used to import from other markets. Now they are looking for sales efficiency. We are investing in that market. We are also benefiting from an advantage is stuck in the Kingdom and the petrochemicals, SABIC, others and benefiting from that. So we will be able -- better than others to sustain the impact of what's happening rationalization that we'll be seeing globally because certain markets, they need to really -- we will see some closure, as I say, in Europe, certain part of Asia as a result of what's happening in the chemical market. If you look at our investment is focused in areas where it's healthy, where also we benefit from our upstream by leasing our upstream barrels and these assets.
Peter Hutton
executiveIrene, if I can answer the question just around impact on Q4. We can't give guidance. But remember, the exit rate at the end of Q3 was around 1 million barrels a day higher than it was at the start of Q2. So you won't have seen all of the growth coming through in the average number for the third quarter. You should look at the exit as a good indicator for the fourth quarter. And the next question is from Alastair Syme from Citi.
Alastair Syme
analystI just wanted to come back on cash and the AI point. What percentage of Saudi gas demand today is currently directed towards for data centers? And in the sort of the outlook that you're giving, what sort of percentage do you see in the 2030s. And then the secondly related, I'm just -- I don't know a lot about the end market, but are there a lot of price differences to different consumers? Or is it sort of a universal price across the Saudi economy to gas?
Amin Nasser
executiveThank you, Alastair. With regard -- we are -- as I say, there's a significant growth in the Kingdom to facilitate for the growth that we see in [indiscernible] and in the utility sector. Definitely, we have more potential of gas that is available, as I say, for growth, and that will be directed to hydrogen or potential LNG. If we satisfy and exceed the Kingdom requirement. The total requirement of data centers is still under evaluation right now, and we will be more than happy and capable of meeting the demand in the Kingdom for data centers. Gas in the Kingdom is regulated to different segments, but it's a regulated price by the government. The company is equalized to ensure that we generate commercial returns and we did before double digit when we talked about how much gas we supply to the local market and what do we generate as a result of that. But we are more than -- with our growth potential for 2030 and beyond, we will be more than ready to supply whatever is needed for any growth in the data center with energy and depending on their needs, if they need renewables, solar, wind or gas, all available.
Alastair Syme
analystI mean do you think the data center end user is the 1 that can pay the highest price gas as you talked about the different segments?
Amin Nasser
executiveWe are -- it is -- of course, it's very, I would say, competitive price. It's very realistic in terms of you look at the prices of gas here. And we have the lowest energy prices available for -- as we said when we talked about data center in the Kingdom, land is available at minimal cost or no cost. Solar, if you want solar and wind, we have high intensity and low cost. We looked at the number shown by Ministry of Energy lately with the cost was as low as [ $0.03 ] per kilowatt hour for certain project. So gas is very competitive compared to any market in terms of energy in terms of cost. And that will make data centers in the Kingdom a very successful program considering the need for energy and the talent available to execute these programs.
Peter Hutton
executiveThanks, Alastair. And the next question is from Lydia Rainforth from Barclays.
Lydia Rainforth
analystTwo questions, if I could. Talk about to the AI side. The HUMAIN investment, minority investment. It feels like that's actually probably a lot more important than I'm really picking up. But can you just walk through again where there is [indiscernible] really in that acceleration from here of your AI strategy? And then the second one, if I could just take a step back and think about everything you've told us today, it's been the increase in the cash flow associated with the gas side, the AI progress that you've made CapEx at the low end. This is sense of -- actually that you're just -- that you're feeling more confident around it. I'm just wondering what's changed or whether it's just a reflection of the confidence in the business.
Amin Nasser
executiveThank you very much, Lydia. I think our partnership with HUMAIN is important element because of our interest in AI and digitalization from the beginning. HUMAIN will definitely help to accelerate our ambition as we're seeing a lot of benefits. As I mentioned, the technology realized value as a result of our investment is very clear in '23, '24 and '25. And we have a number of data centers around what exists right now. So having a one national champion with focus with a big market and then can serve us outside this market as well, definitely will help to accelerate Aramco's involvement is because, as I say, because of our interest benefit out of these data centers, large language models, applications that they have, the talent that exists, and it will help us to work together with our partners and public investment funds to accelerate the growth and the potential of this investment. But we are definitely a big beneficiary the creation of HUMAIN because of our interest and what we are seeing as a result of investment in technology and AI and digitalization and our strong growth potential and what we are aiming for. You've seen it reflected in that and the application that we see on AI in terms of -- now I just need maybe another hour or 2 to sit in. But I invite you to come and visit to see where these applications can be utilized to maximize productivity, to maximize yield from a column. It's not everybody think about AI and reduction of manpower and finance or translation or procurement, more benefit. Of course, you will have all of that, but more benefit that Aramco is seeing is industrial applications where the cost is high, look at your cost and productivity, how much -- if you increase the production from a well or you double that production, you can understand the total benefit out of that. If you reduce your corrosion consumption or reduce the number of failures in your big equipment and instrumentation and plant operation and shutdowns and it has also a huge impact on carbon minimization. Our carbon footprint, which we have one of the best we are at 9.7 kilogram in carbon intensity, upstream carbon intensity and our methane is 0.04. If you compare it to any other company, you will find out it is one of the lowest, if not the lowest globally, benefiting also from all of the AI applications. Ziad, anything about this?
Ziad Al-Murshed
executiveYes. Lydia, on your second question, the increase in OCF, yes, due to gas. Yes, it is absolutely an indication of our confidence in the business. You've seen not only the result of buying little technologies, but also the more we spent on delineation and a lot more fine-tuned technical studies more gas we found more, therefore, we upped our target that we first did from increase by 2030 from 2021 then to 60% to 80%. And so yes, absolutely, it's a higher confidence in the cash mostly a captive market to us, providing commercial double-digit returns and we're taking full advantage.
Ruban Chandran
executiveThank you, Lydia. And moving through to Alex Comer of JPMorgan.
Alex Comer
analystYes, I just got a couple of questions. Just with regard to the gas strategy in Jafurah. Just wondering if Jafurah's quite ethane rich. I'm just wondering, will that ethane be put into the local petrochemical industry or will any of it be exported? Could you give us some indication of the ramp-up in terms of barrels or standard cubic feet over the next couple of years?
Amin Nasser
executiveThank you, Alex. With regard to Jafurah, yes, you are absolutely right. We are looking to ramp up starting the first phase will be on this year, fourth quarter, we said, and to ramp up 2 billion sales gas by 2030. Ethane in total that will come out of Jafurah. The good thing about Jafurah is liquid-rich and ethane. The total liquid that come from Jafurah is 630,000 barrels per day of high-value liquids and 420 billion standard cubic feet per day of ethane. If you look at the total ethane, we are big chemical hub here in the Kingdom with SAC and other chemical company. The total ethane is around the Kingdom is less than [ 1 billion ]. The Jafurah alone at increments is bringing almost more than 40% the total ethane. And definitely, that ethane will be utilized to build additional capacity within the Kingdom to benefit from that advantaged feedstock. And this is when we talked about chemical and the impact on chemical globally, it impacted everybody, but the advantaged feedstock definitely help, but that will be utilized in the Kingdom to grow the chemical potential within the Kingdom. And I'm sure additional ethane will come with additional gas in the future. With regard to additional -- if you are asking about increments, increments are in oil are tied to our capacity. We are not increasing our maximum sustain capacity, all we are doing is maintaining that maximum sustaining capacity that currently exists. So our increments are tied to maintaining that capacity, ensuring there is no decline and maintaining it, of course, over the longer term.
Peter Hutton
executiveThank you, Alex. The next question -- very quick because we're running short of time, Alex. So are you...
Alex Comer
analystYes. I just wondering what the run rate was for -- the run rate was with the ethane in '26? Which is what I asked.
Peter Hutton
executiveWe've given you the buildup to 2030, Alex. I'll come back to you separately, okay? The next question is from Bertrand Hodee of Kepler Cheuvreux.
Bertrand Hodee
analystI wanted to come back on your natural gas target by 2030. So you've raised volumes significantly but without more capital employed by 2030. And you've raised significantly our growth in cash flow by almost $3 billion to $4 billion. My interpretation and tell me if I'm right, is that if you raise your cash flow target without more capital employed, should we understand that you can meet your ROCE hurdles in the natural gas business, which is above 10% without the government adjustment mechanism or called the equalizer.
Amin Nasser
executiveThank you, Bertrand. Our rate of return is guaranteed based on each increment that comes on stream. And this is reviewed with the government every 5 years based on the increments that are coming online on stream, ensuring that we maintain our rate of return. And if there is a requirement adjustment to mature, it's always take into account that we maintain our rate of return that we are expecting as a result of all of these investments that we are putting on stream. And the growth definitely reflected, as you say, more efficiency and all of that. But it's something that is always reviewed every 5 years, and we ensure, we have now a track record of 5 years since we listed Aramco in late 2019, ensuring that we have healthy return on our gas investment. That's why you see the growth in gas as the Kingdom build additional demand, we are always -- with our gas resources that exist in the Kingdom, we also need to ensure that we maximize our efficiency, our productivity, capitalizing on technology, ensure we give them the best cost for the capital that we are -- that the project deserve, ensuring the efficiency is there always. And this is what we always track, ensuring that if we can maximize productivity within existing plants. So if we identify high product from existing wells, that's reflected in our total capital, which is used as the basis for our rate of return with the government.
Peter Hutton
executiveAnd the last question is from Eva Xenios of BNP Paribas.
Eva Xenios
analystAfter another strong results for the Downstream business, are you able to comment on your refining margins so far in the fourth quarter? And should we expect lower operational availability due to any maintenance or any further color there would be useful. And if I can squeeze one more in. As we approach 2026, do you have an indication as to when we can expect the Zuluf project to be fully on stream?
Amin Nasser
executiveYes. Thank you, Eva. 2025 has been healthy for refining sector driven by the strong demand that we have seen from transport fuel. And as you highlighted, the margin year-to-date has been averaged about 20% higher than last year with margin in Q3 double last year as a result to right refining grants. And in the short term, we see healthy margins are likely with incremental demand for transport fuel, coupled with constrained refining supply in the U.S. and Europe. We don't have anything in terms of the fourth quarter, it's the normal maintenance that we do in existing plants. There is nothing major to highlight other than the normal T&I and maintenance that we do, nothing major to highlight. I'd say we do T&I considering the number of refineries. Every month, there is -- for every other month, there is a T&I or something, but there's nothing surprising in terms of our plans and what we are planning in the fourth quarter. And the Zuluf...
Peter Hutton
executiveThe question is 2026.
Amin Nasser
executiveThe Zuluf is as planned. It's a major increment for Aramco and will come on stream in 2026. No change to our plan for putting it honestly. Of course, we're talking about Zuluf Arabian Heavy. That is we're bringing. We have Zuluf as Arabian Medium to our production, but we are bringing a 600,000 of Arabian Heavy in [indiscernible], which is to our plan.
Peter Hutton
executiveThat brings us to the close of the questions. Thank you very much, everyone. We have overrun very slightly, Apologies for that one, but by 1 minute. So that's near to our normal delivery on time. Thank you for your questions. Of course, if there are any follow-ups, please don't hesitate to contact us in Investor Relations. Always happy to take your call. Thank you very much indeed.
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