Scales Corporation Limited ($SCL)
Earnings Call Transcript · April 14, 2026
Highlights from the call
Scales Corporation Limited reported record results for Q4 2025, with a 54% YoY increase in revenue to just under $900 million and an 82% rise in underlying net profit after tax to $61.8 million. The company also noted a significant increase in underlying EBITDA by 50% to $137.6 million. Management increased the Global Proteins FY27 underlying EBITDA target from $70 million to $85 million, reflecting confidence in recent investments. The company maintained its guidance for underlying NPAT attributable to shareholders between $50 million and $55 million for FY26.
Main topics
- Record Financial Performance: Scales delivered record results across all earnings measures for FY25, with underlying EBITDA up 50% to $137.6 million and underlying NPAT attributable to shareholders up 82% to $61.8 million. "There were strong performances across all of our divisions," noted management.
- Horticulture Division Success: The Horticulture division saw a 21% increase in Mr. Apple's own grown export volumes and a 49% increase in external grower volumes. Premium apple varieties accounted for 74% of export apples sold, with significant growth in Dazzle and Posy apples.
- Global Proteins Expansion: Scales increased its investments in Shelby, Meateor Australia, Fayman International, and ANZ Exports, leading to an increase in the Global Proteins FY27 underlying EBITDA target from $70 million to $85 million. Management highlighted the strategic importance of the Australian market.
- Logistics Division Growth: The Logistics division produced a record result for the second consecutive year, with a 21% increase in revenue and a 10% increase in underlying EBITDA, driven by strong apple volumes and an 81% increase in airfreight volumes.
- Sustainability Initiatives: Scales completed a refresh of its double materiality assessment and is set to release its third climate statement. Initiatives include regenerative planting trials showing early signs of improved soil health and fruit quality.
Key metrics mentioned
- Revenue: $900 million (54% YoY increase)
- Underlying EBITDA: $137.6 million (+50% YoY)
- Underlying NPAT Attributable to Shareholders: $61.8 million (+82% YoY)
- Reported NPAT Attributable to Shareholders: $101 million (+200% YoY)
- Dividend: $0.125 per share (Interim dividend declared in December)
- Global Proteins FY27 Underlying EBITDA Target: $85 million (Increased from $70 million)
Scales Corporation's record financial performance and strategic investments position it well for future growth. The increased Global Proteins EBITDA target and strong performance across divisions are positive indicators. However, geopolitical risks and market uncertainties remain potential challenges. Investors should monitor the company's ability to sustain growth in its core sectors and navigate external risks.
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesGood afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and I'm Mike Petersen, Chair of Scales Corporation. And it's my pleasure to welcome you all to this annual meeting. Thanks for coming out today. I know it's a beautiful day outside, and you would probably rather be enjoying it in the sun. But we're thrilled to have you in attendance here, not only in person but online as well as through the virtual meeting today. It's a 114th Annual Meeting of the company, the 12th since it became a listed company and my fourth as chair. Once again, we're holding a hybrid annual meeting and whether you are here in person or joining us online, I'd like to thank you and welcome you all. As you may recall, shareholders, proxies and guests attending the meeting virtually, will be able to hear and see a live webcast. In addition, shareholders and proxies have the ability to ask questions and vote on resolutions. I'll provide further details on those matters shortly. Just wanting to roll off on the floor. Some housekeeping matters for those of you who have joined us in person. First, I'd like to remind you as a matter of courtesy to please turn your mobile phones to silent. Also, if there's an emergency we need to leave, please do so through the marked exits. Staff will be available to help us in the eventuality that, that happens. I'm pleased to confirm that we have a quorum and, therefore, declare the 2026 Annual Shareholders Meeting of Scales Corporation Limited open. The items of business for this meeting and the resolutions to be considered by shareholders are contained in the Notice of Meeting, which was sent to shareholders on the 10th of March. Our order of proceedings is as shown on the current slide. I'll briefly comment on the highlights of the last 12 months, followed by a review by Andy Borland, our Scales Managing Director. We'll then attend to the resolutions where we'll cover each resolution in turn and invite questions specific to those items. I'll explain the process for asking questions, then I'll open the online voting and explain the voting process. Once the meeting is complete, we hope that those of you present will join us for refreshments. This will also be an opportunity to meet the directors and senior management of the group and raise any questions you may have on an informal basis. Firstly, I'll now summarize the process for asking questions. For those of you attending the meeting virtually, if you'd like to submit a question, the Q&A is always open. So please feel free to submit questions throughout the meeting. These will be addressed at the relevant time. To do so, please select the Q&A tab on the right half of your screen as currently shown. Type your question into the field and press send. Your question will be immediately submitted. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and I'm Mike Petersen, Chair of Scales Corporation. And it's my pleasure to welcome you all to this annual meeting. Thanks for coming out today. I know it's a beautiful day outside, and you would probably rather be enjoying it in the sun. But we're thrilled to have you in attendance here, not only in person but online as well as through the virtual meeting today. It's a 114th Annual Meeting of the company, the 12th since it became a listed company and my fourth as chair. Once again, we're holding a hybrid annual meeting and whether you are here in person or joining us online, I'd like to thank you and welcome you all. As you may recall, shareholders, proxies and guests attending the meeting virtually, will be able to hear and see a live webcast. In addition, shareholders and proxies have the ability to ask questions and vote on resolutions. I'll provide further details on those matters shortly. I just want this morning to roll off on the floor. Some housekeeping matters for those of you who have joined us in person. First, I'd like to remind you as a matter of courtesy to please turn your mobile phones to silent. Also, if there's an emergency we need to leave, please do so through the marked exits. Staff will be available to help us in the eventuality that, that happens. I'm pleased to confirm that we have a quorum and, therefore, declare the 2026 Annual Shareholders Meeting of Scales Corporation Limited open. The items of business for this meeting and the resolutions to be considered by shareholders contained in the notice of meeting, which was sent to shareholders on the 10th of March. Our order of proceedings is as shown on the current slide. I'll briefly comment on the highlights of the last 12 months, followed by a review by Andy Borland, our Scales Managing Director. We'll then attend to the resolutions where we'll cover each resolution in turn and invite questions specific to those items. I'll explain the process for asking questions, then I'll open the online voting and explain the voting process. Once the meeting is complete, we hope that those of you present will join us for refreshments. This will also be an opportunity to meet the directors and senior management of the group and raise any questions you may have on an informal basis. Firstly, I'll now summarize the process for asking questions. For those of you attending the meeting virtually, if you'd like to submit a question, the Q&A is always open. So please feel free to submit questions throughout the meeting. These will be addressed at the relevant time. To do so, please select the Q&A tab on the right half of your screen is currently shown. Type your question into the field and press send. Your question will be immediately submitted. Should you require any assistance of any sort, you can type your query and one of the Computershare team will assist us in the chat function. Alternatively, you can call Computershare on 0-800-650034. Questions may be moderated or if we receive multiple questions on one topic, amalgamated. Due to time constraints and to ensure all shareholders have a chance to ask a question, I ask that you limit yourself to asking 2 questions, please. And any questions that are not answered in time will receive an e-mail response after the meeting. For those of you present here today, we'll offer you an opportunity to ask questions on or speak to each resolution being put to shareholders at the appropriate time. As I mentioned earlier, there will also be an opportunity to ask questions of individual directors informally after the meeting. With regard to online voting, if you are eligible to vote, you'll be able to cast your vote under the Vote tab as shown on the screen. Once the voting is open, resolutions will allow votes to be submitted. And to vote, simply select your voting direction from the options shown. You can vote for all resolutions at once or by each resolution separately. Your vote has been cast when the tick appears. To change your vote, simply change simply select change your vote, you're able to change your vote up until the time I declare voting closed. You may submit questions on each resolution being put to shareholders using the question process. For those of you that have joined us in person here today, those shareholders who are entitled to vote and proxies too have discretion as to how they vote should have received a voting or proxy form when they registered upon arrival at the meeting. If you completed a postal vote, you don't need to complete another voting or proxy form. If you haven't received a voting or proxy form at the time of voting, please go to the Computershare desk in the foyer where their representatives will be able to assist you. After voting, please place your voting or proxy form in one of the ballot boxes, which will be passed around the room. I'll invite you to vote after all the resolutions have been introduced to the meeting. I now declare voting open on all items of business. For those of you attending via the Computershare online meeting platform, the resolutions will now be opened on the Vote tab. Please submit your votes at any time. I'll give you a reminder before I move to close voting. I know those are quite complex instructions, but I assume everyone's got them under control. And if you need any hand or any advice at any time, please don't hesitate to contact one of our teams that are sitting here today. Before I go further, I'd like to introduce my fellow directors, who are in attendance. They are Andy Borland, our Managing Director; Tony Batterton, who's Chair of our Scales, Nominations and Remuneration Committee Chair and also Chair of the Scales Finance and Treasury Committee and an Independent Director; Miranda Burdon, Chair of the Health and Safety and Sustainability Committee and an Independent Director. Nick Harris as an Independent Director; and Paul Munro, Chair of Scales' Audit and Risk Management Committee and an independent director. I'd also like to introduce our latest future Director, Emma Crutchley, where is Emma in the audience here. Beside David, there we go. Great. Nice to have you onboard Emma. I could see David. I just couldn't see Emma Crutchley. Emma has been great. We love that future director position, and it's been great to have Emma on board. We also have members of Scales management and staff in attendance. So thank you for those people. Deloitte, our auditors, and Anthony Harp, our lawyers are also in attendance. So I'm delighted to welcome everyone to the meeting. I'm very pleased to declare that Scales delivered record results across all its earnings measures for full year 2025. Our underlying EBITDA was $137.6 million, an increase of 50% on last year. Underlying net profit after tax attributable to shareholders was $61.8 million, an increase of 82% and reported NPAT attributable to shareholders was $101 million, an increase of over 200%. There were strong performances across all of our divisions. Horticulture produced an outstanding result. There was a strong performance from Global Proteins and another good result from our Logistics team. We declared an interim dividend of $0.125 per share in December last year in respect to the 2025 financial year and expect to declare a final installment early next month. These are fantastic results, and we're really delighted to be able to report these record results to you today. 2025 was another successful year for transactions with the group increasing its investments in Shelby, Meateor Australia, Fayman International and ANZ Exports. This takes our investment in Shelby to 67.5% and ANZ exports to 85% with Meateor Australia and Fayman International now being fully owned. Due to these investments, I'm pleased to note that we've increased the Global Proteins full year '27 underlying EBITDA target from $70 million to $85 million. Governance is extremely important to us, and we continue to review and refresh our director and senior management teams. Accordingly, I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge Alan Isaac, who retired as a director in October last year. Alan was a major contributor to Scales' governance program, served on the board for over 11 years. And not only was Alan the Chair of the Audit and Risk Management Committee, he also chaired the due diligence committee as part of Scales' listing process. With his accounting and finance background, he provided excellent financial knowledge and wise counsel. In Alan's place, we were pleased to welcome Paul Munro to the Board in October last year. Paul also has a significant accounting and finance background as well as an extensive governance experience from a wide range of public and private entities. Welcome to you, Paul, and already Paul's contributed significantly in his time with Scales. We also announced that Steve Kennelly is stepping down as CFO in May of this year with Ben Washington replacing him. Steve has been with Scales since 1993 in a variety of accounting and finance roles being appointed as CFO in 2011. However, we are pleased to advise that Steve isn't leaving us completely as he's going to take up a new role as Company Secretary and we'll be able to retain that institutional knowledge that he's brought through that -- through his time with the company. We're really pleased and excited to welcome in Ben Washington in Steve's place and Ben's with us here today. Ben will start in June, joining us from KMD Brands, where he's held several senior leadership positions, most recently as CFO of Kathmandu. We were also pleased to announce last month the appointment of Geoff Smith as CEO of the Horticulture in the Logistics division; and Charles Ferguson, as CEO of Global proteins. These appointments as divisional CEOs are really important to the Scales Group and are designed to provide more dedicated leadership across our divisions, support the execution of strategy and enable continued growth. Geoff was previously our Chief Operations Officer, where Charles joins us from Synlait where he held senior executive leadership roles. Charles is not here today, but he's going to start with the Scales in June this year. Finally, as I mentioned earlier, Emma Crutchley joined us as a future Director and would like to thank Emma for insight contribution and participation. Scales' Board of Directors is always looking for ways to improve transparency for shareholders without compromising commercial sensitivity on key matters relating to the business. We regularly review our continuous disclosure requirements to make sure we're adhering to best practice governance and strive to make improvements and reporting framework. This year, we have received feedback from some shareholders about gender diversity on the Board, the time period between the release of the 2025 annual report in the Annual Shareholder Meeting, and request for further details about senior management LTI and STI remuneration targets. I would be happy to expand on this further during the questions if required in the general business section of this meeting. But I can assure shareholders that we are addressing all of these issues, and we'll have these completed prior to our next Annual Shareholders' Meeting. As in previous years, the group in its results would not be what they are without the commitment and enthusiasm of each Scales' team member. We're extremely fortunate to have such a dedicated workforce with each of them embracing Scales' culture and delivering exceptional results, and I'd like to say a very big thank you to them all. Health, safety and wellbeing remains a core focus for us with continued integration into our businesses. Health and safety for us is about culture. It's not about compliance, and we put a real effort on this over the past 12 months. We executed a number of initiatives last year including independent health and safety assessments across key businesses as well as developing an improvement road map for the next few years. There is also a strong emphasis placed on leadership engagement and training, including a session for the Board and senior leaders focusing on the governance. We also undertook a staff engagement survey for all New Zealand businesses. And pleasingly, this confirms strong and consistent engagement pride and teams and confidence and leadership. We plan to roll this out globally next year. We also continue to progress Mr. Apple's people strategy across a number of areas. Our local communities where we operate are extremely important to us. And during 2025, we supported various initiatives as noted on screen. We consider our involvement in these kinds of initiatives carefully, ensuring that we partner with businesses and organizations that are aligned to our values and provide a long-term social impact. I'll now hand over to Andy, who will update you further on last year's results and activities. He will also provide an update on the transactions undertaken in 2025 and also provide a brief outlook for the group. Following Andy's presentation, we'll move to the formal business of the meeting. However, before Andy takes over, I'd like to acknowledge our dedicated staff members working across the world. I can't emphasize this enough. These people come together to form teams within our global organization working to make Scales the best it can be. These people are the heart of our business and allow us to achieve the successful delivery of our strategy and the results that you're hearing about today. On behalf of the Board, we would like to thank all of our people across the world for the ongoing contribution to the success of our group. As always, we welcome feedback on any matters raised today during today's presentation or other general matters in relation to the group and we're happy to do that, as I say, in the questions and general business after the presentations conclude, and we'd be delighted to also have those conversations informally with you at the end of the meeting today. Andy, I'd like to pass over to you to cover off some further details.
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesThanks, Mike, and good afternoon, everyone. I did mention -- well, we mentioned before a fellow Dave Foot, if you want to put your hand up, David. David is a Director from Australia. He's on Australian subsidiaries, a professional director, both here and in Australia, and we welcome your input David and wisdom. So I'll start with a brief overview of 2025. A few of our key numbers are highlighted on this slide. A couple of items of particular note that revenue was just under $900 million, which was an increase of 54% on last year. In addition, Mr. Apple exported 3.7 million TCEs of its own grown apples, which are up 21% compared to 2024. Our 5-year performance for underlying NPAT attributable to shareholders underlying EBITDA and revenue illustrated on this slide showing the significant increases in those measures in FY '25 compared to prior years. Moving on to some more detail in respect of our 2025 results. As Mike mentioned, the group achieved record results across all its earnings and measures driven by growth strategies across all the divisions. There was also a positive impact from our increased shareholders and our joint venture businesses. You'll note that the 2024 results have been restated, which is due to an increase in apple tree valuations at Mr. Apple. The net impact of those prior year adjustments to an underlying NPAT attributable to shareholders level was around $200,000. The graphs on this slide show the 5-year underlying EBITDA for each of the divisions and again show the increases in earnings in FY '25 compared to prior years. As you can see, the 2024 results for Horticulture have been restated, but there is no restatement for either Global Proteins or Logistics. I'll now provide a bit of more detail for each of the divisions. Global Proteins generated a solid result with increases in both pet food ingredient volumes and edible protein volumes of 9% and 10%, respectively. And we realized the benefits of our increased joint venture investments with increases in revenue, underlying EBITDA and underlying EBIT compared to last year. Shelby, Meateor Australia, Meateor New Zealand and Fayman International performed particularly well. Shelby had a solid performance, while it transitioned to a new toll processing facility. Meateor Australia and Meateor New Zealand performed significantly ahead of forecast with margins ahead of expectations. And Fayman International had a strong performance, increasing sales to both the Southeast Asia region and U.S. markets. Esro Petfood continued to progress through its start-up phase whilst also transitioning to a new processing facility. Revenue and margin per kilogram of volumes sold within pet food ingredients business have been influenced by changes in business mix, which resulted in a small decrease in revenue per kilogram. However, improved margins across Meateor New Zealand, Meateor Australia and Esro resulted in increased underlying EBITDA per kilogram. Turning to Horticulture. 2025 was an exceptional year for the Horticulture division with increased volumes, higher average prices and an increased proportion of premium variety volumes such as Dazzle and Posy. The addition of the Bostock orchards last year helped to fast track these factors. Mr Apple's own grown export volumes increased 21% compared to last year with external grower volumes increasing 49%. This was helped by very good growing conditions as well as the integration of the Bostock orchards. Premium apple volumes accounted for 74% of export apples sold, a slight increase on 2024 with significant growth in Dazzle and Posy apples. 2025 volumes were significantly higher than all previous years and 16% higher than 2021, which was our previous record year. Sales into the Asia and Middle East markets also grew compared to last year with marketing, sales promotions and customer support in these markets, supporting the volume increases. Profruit also continued to perform extremely well, delivered another excellent performance aided by strong sales prices in its export markets. The forecast percentage of premium variety apples for the next 3 years is depicted on the current slide, along with our forecast volumes. In addition to integrating the Bostock orchards and continuing our orchard redevelopment program, we're continuing to develop exciting new premium varieties, which have been grafted onto existing trees and are expected to supply a new wave of growth. As a result, we currently project that premium varieties will account for around 80% of export volumes by 2027. And last but certainly not least, our Logistics business for the second year running Logistics -- Scales Logistics produced a record result. Whilst both ocean freight and airfreight volumes were up on last year, airfreight volumes showed a significant 81% increase due to strong volumes from the dairy sector and a positive cherry season. The division also benefited from strong apple volumes. This helped Scales Logistics to produce a 21% increase in revenue and a 10% increase in underlying EBITDA. The group's overall financial position and net debt reflected the investments made in Global Proteins joint ventures businesses during FY '25. However, our financial position remains strong for further investment opportunities. The most significant cash outlays last year were those required for our joint venture investments, other significant expenditure, including dividend payments including those to minority shareholders and CapEx. Sustainability continues to be a key focus for us. And during 2025, we completed a refresh double materiality assessment in order to understand our stakeholder priorities. In terms of environmental projects, we're looking forward to releasing etch climate statement later this month, which will be our third report of this nature. During 2025, an assurance exercise was undertaken to confirm our Scope 1 direct and Scope 2 indirect greenhouse gas emissions data and analysis of Scope 3 raw material emissions was progressed. In our regenerative planting trials, that is planting trials that aim to restore soil health increased biodiversity and enhanced ecosystem function continued at Mr. Apple and pleasingly, these showed early indications of improved soil health and fruit quality. With a global market presence, Scales focuses on providing customers, investors and regulators with confidence in our business units consistently to meet or exceed market access, product quality and assurance requirements. So we regularly complete third-party audits and assurance programs. We're also keen to share some of the knowledge that we've gained, and last year, Mr. Apple established a new export initiative to support Maori kiwi fruit growers to access international markets, particularly in the Middle East. This reflected a shared commitment to strengthening grower participation in global value chains, while supporting inclusive economic development and resilient market access for Maori grown produce. Additional details of these and other projects were provided in the sustainable section of our annual report, and we also look forward to sharing more detail in our climate statements. As Mike already touched on, 2025 was another successful year for transactions with increased investments in Shelby, Meateor Australia, Fayman International and ANZ exports. Shelby's performance has been fundamental to Scales' success in recent years with earnings growth since our initial investment materially exceeding expectations. We believe the various initiatives are in place and this business will contribute to our Global Proteins targets. Meateor Australia's progress from start-up to full production has been extremely pleasing. The Australian market is also of high strategic importance and this increased investment will allow us to continue to explore growth opportunities. Fayman International and ANZ exports have exceeded our initial expectations and play an important role in the edible protein sector with a focus on Australian exports. They're currently capitalizing on the strong global beef market with Australia being a key worldwide supplier. The strong connections these businesses have to the Australian supply network also assist Meateor Australia. These acquisitions reflect Global Proteins' ambition of increasing our joint venture shareholdings over time. And as Mike also mentioned, the division's FY '27 underlying EBITDA target has increased from $70 million to $85 million. In terms of the overall group outlook, we're pleased to confirm our previously advised guidance range of underlying NPAT attributable to shareholders of between $50 million to $55 million. The underlying NPAT and underlying EBITDA also remain as previously advised. However, as you will appreciate, geopolitical uncertainty is expected to continue throughout this year. In terms of divisions, we expect Global Proteins to continue to perform strongly and realize the benefits of its increased joint venture investments. And Horticulture picking and packing is well advanced for the 2026 apple season with a crop of around 3.5 million TCEs forecast. Pricing is expected to be positive, impacted by a number of factors, including favorable foreign exchange rates. Profruit and Fern Ridge are trading positively. And we expect Scales Logistics to continue to contribute positively and are pleased to note that as continued to experience strong airfreight demand in the year-to-date. That concludes my presentation. We'll answer questions following the resolutions. But in the meantime, I'll pass back to Mike to cover the formal part of today's meeting. Thank you.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesThanks, Andy. And I know there's a lot of information in there. But hopefully, you've had some time to digest that and we'll be able to answer any questions you might want covered off later in the general business part of the meeting. We'll now move to the business of the meeting. All items of business are ordinary resolutions and are required to be passed by a simple majority of votes. Current best practice for shareholder voting is by way of poll. Accordingly, a poll will be held for each of the resolutions. I and my fellow directors hold the following undirected proxies. With respect to Resolution 1, authorization for the directors to fix the auditor's remuneration for the coming year, 172,800 shares. With respect to Resolution 2, the election of Paul Munro as non-Executive Independent Director, 172,800 shares. With respect to Resolution 3, reelection of Miranda Burdon as a Non-Executive independent director, 172,800 shares. With respect to Resolution 4, reelection of Nick Harris as a Non-Executive Independent Director, again, 172,800 shares. With respect to Resolution 5, reelection of myself, Mike Petersen, as Non-Executive Independent Director, 172,800 shares. With respect to Resolution 6, authorization that the maximum total pool of directors' remuneration payable by Scales to directors be revised, 192,800 shares. Your Board supports these resolutions, and we intend to vote all these shares in favor of the resolutions. I'll now move on to each of the resolutions, and I'll do them independently. Resolution 1 relates to the remuneration of auditors. This proposed ordinary resolution is to authorize the directors to fix the auditor's remuneration for the coming year. In accordance with the Companies Act, Deloitte has automatically been reappointed as Scales' auditor. As is usual with audit fees, due to the complexity and changing nature of the company's affairs, it is not possible to fix the remuneration at the beginning of the year. I now move as an ordinary resolution that the Board is authorized to fix the auditor's remuneration for the coming year. Are there any questions on this resolution? Thank you. We'll now move to the next resolution. Resolutions 2 to 5 relate to the reelection of a director. The NZX listing rules state that directors must not hold office without reelection past the third annual meeting following the director's appointment or 3 years, whichever is longer. In addition, any director appointed by the Board during the year is required to offer themselves for election by shareholders at the next meeting. Accordingly, Paul Munro offers himself for election, whilst Miranda Burdon, Nick Harris and I are required to retire at this meeting and offer ourselves for reelection. Resolution 2 relates to the election of Paul Munro. Paul was appointed to the Board in October 2025 and a brief biography for him was included in the Notice of Meeting. Paul being eligible, offers himself for election, and the Board unanimously supports his election and recommends that shareholders vote in favor of Resolution 2. I'd now like to invite Paul to briefly address the meeting on his proposed election. Thank you, Paul.
Paul Munro
ExecutivesThanks very much, Mike, and good afternoon, everybody. As Mike summarized, it was my privilege to be appointed to the Board of Scales Corporation in October last year. As has been noted, I succeeded Alan Isaac as the Chair of Scales Audit and Risk Committee, and I'm very aware of the big shoes I've got to fill taking on Alan's role. Alan did a fantastic job for 12 years governing this company. And I think the results are certainly reflective of the diligence and the expertise that Alan brought to the table. So I'll endeavor to do a good job following in his footsteps. Scales is a great company. Scales is an iconic company. Scales is a company with over 100 years of history, and there's not many New Zealand companies that can actually say that. The role that Scales plays is focused is primarily on the primary sector. The primary sector is a really key part of our economy. I think we all know that, and I'm sure shareholders you all know that, and that's probably part of why you're invested in Scales. The primary sector for a long time has been the backbone of the New Zealand economy, and I think it will continue to be the backbone of our economy as we move forward. And so it's my privilege to be able to play a small role in supporting Scales on that journey. I bring experience to my governance roles from 24 years at Deloitte, where I was a corporate finance partner. I then spent 6 years as the CEO of a publicly owned investment company that owned a $5 billion asset portfolio spread across a range of commercial infrastructure investments. And over that time and since I left that CEO role, I've spent over 15 years in independent governance roles, spanning public sector, private sector and spanning a number of different industries. As I said, it's an absolute privilege to have been invited to join the Scales' Board. I really appreciate your support. I appreciate my fellow director support and the support of the Scales management team. And thank you very much for listening.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesThank you, Paul. While I now move as an ordinary resolution that Paul Munro be elected as a Non-executive independent director. Are there any questions on this resolution?
Unknown Shareholder
ShareholdersWhat do you see as the greatest risk to Scales future profitability?
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesJust to repeat the question in case that doesn't come through. Paul, what do you see as the greatest risk to Scales' profitability?
Paul Munro
ExecutivesYes, that's a really good question. I think one of the benefits that Scales does have is that it's a diversified portfolio of investments spread across 3 sectors Logistics, Horticulture and Edible Proteins or Proteins rather. I think that does, in many ways, spread that risk, but inherently, any company operating business world today is subject to risks that we can't control, ranging from things like climate change to operating in environments where you can't control the impact that cyclones may have on your apple crop over the weekend. And so nothing is without risk, but I think Scales is actually really well positioned to navigate the future, and we've certainly got a very capable management team and a very well developed and mature risk framework that's used day to day by the management team and the board to monitor risks and make sure that the mitigations are in place to manage them successfully. Thank you.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesThanks, Paul. Any further questions for Paul? Okay. Thank you very much. We're going to move to Resolution 3 now, which relates to the reelection of Miranda Burdon. Miranda was first appointed to the Board in 2022, and a brief biography for her was included in the Notice of Meeting. Miranda being eligible, offers herself for reelection, and the Board unanimously supports her reelection and recommends that shareholders vote in favor of Resolution 3. I'd now like to invite Miranda to briefly address the meeting on her proposed reelection. Thanks, Miranda. Over to you.
Miranda Burdon
ExecutivesGood afternoon. I'd like to thank you, the shareholders, for the opportunity to support the growth and continued prosperity of Scales Corp. as an Independent Director. Scales is a business, as we've heard, that has enormous heritage in the primary sector and one that continues to lead and to innovate to deliver ongoing growth. My career has been heavily centered on the primary sector in New Zealand, albeit predominantly on the commercial side of many of the good things in life, such as mushrooms and cucumbers and other covered crops, dairy and wine, all the important stuff. And this has been helpful. The past 3 years have reflected the somewhat mercurial nature of the primary sector, but also the benefit of our continued diversification. I enjoy my role at Scales and am fortunate to be able to utilize my combined experience, including that gleaned from the entrepreneurial endeavors that I've been involved in to support the different divisions of Scales in its growth journey. My governance experience has involved roles in private boards, Crown entities, sector bodies such as Emerging Proteins New Zealand as well as charitable initiatives where I have most recently been the Chair of the Live Ocean Foundation, which is an entity founded by Peter Burling and Blair Tuke and committed to Ocean Health. So one of the elements, and I'm repeating Paul's comments to some extent, one of the elements that continues to impress me at Scales is the commitment of the executive team and the caliber of people that we have involved in our organization. The team has demonstrated good systems and organization and resilience that as a business will continue to stand us in good stead. As the Chair of the Health, Safety and Sustainability Committee, it's been very visible just how much work has taken to achieve these outcomes. So I look forward to continuing to support the team and the business. And again, I thank you for your support.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesThanks, Miranda. I'd now like to move as an ordinary resolution that Miranda Burdon be reelected as Non-Executive Independent Director. Are there any questions on this resolution? No, thank you very much. Resolution 4 relates to the reelection of Nick Harris. Nick was first appointed to the Board in 2014, and a brief biography for him was included in the notice of meeting. Nick being eligible, offers himself for reelection, and the Board unanimously supports his reelection and recommends that shareholders vote in favor of Resolution 4. Nick has indicated that if reelected, he intends to retire from the Board prior to the next annual meeting at which he would be required to stand for reelection. Following next confirmation of his retirement, the Board will look to appoint an additional director in accordance with the Board's succession plan. I'd now like to invite Nick to briefly address the meeting on his proposed reelection. Over to you, Nick.
Nick Harris
ExecutivesThank you, Mike. As Mike mentioned, I've been involved in Scales back start 2012, when I came on as an independent director of the storage in the Logistics division, this being Polarcold, Whakatu Coolstores, Liqueo, Meateor and Scales Logistics. In 2014, when Scales floated, I became a Director of Scales Corporation. Over the following years, I've been on the Audit and Risk Committee and more recently have gone on the Board of Scales Australian investments in Fayman International and Meateor Australia, along with David. Outside of Scales, I've been in the meat industry all my life, having helped set up a large bacon, ham and small goods company. Kao-Pei, Hellers, my currently day to day, as still being involved in the meat industry from my family business, Harris Farms, an integrated meat company in Cheviot Farming, got 1,000 hectares of irrigated land, and we process animals on our farm, abattoir and processing facility. We now have a site in Christchurch as well. I am a qualified accountant and have over the last 35 years, helped support many not-for-profit trade associations, sporting entities and committees, trusts and boards. Having worked in a large business has helped me understand the day-to-day commitment that our senior executives make here. Along with my knowledge in the meat industry, this has been advantageous at Scales as we have expanded into the Global Protein market. I look forward to serving you the Scales shareholders and working with the Scales team and our Board for another year. But as stated in my citation for this AGM, I plan to stand down from the Board over the next 12 months. Thank you all.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesThank you, Nick. I'd now like to move as an ordinary resolution that Nick Harris be reelected as a Non-executive independent director. Are there any questions on this resolution? Okay. Thank you very much. We'll now move to the next resolution, which I'll ask Andy to introduce.
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesThank you. We'll now move to the next yes, right. This -- jumping the gun there. Thanks, Mike. The Resolution 5 relates to the reelection of Mike Petersen. So Mike was first appointed to the Board in 2023, and a brief biography for him was included in the notice of meeting. Mike being eligible, offers himself for reelection, and the Board unanimously supports his reelection and recommends that the shareholders vote in favor of Resolution 5. I now invite Mike to briefly address the meeting on his proposed reelection. Over to you, Mike.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesThank you, Andy. And look, it's a real privilege to be here again today and up for reelection. For those of you who don't know me at all, I'm a farmer from Hawke's Bay, 35 years farming, moved into governance roles about 25 years ago, and I've had a real privilege of operating in the agribusiness sector. It really is -- and you can see today in New Zealand's current environment, the agribusiness sector is the place that's holding this country together. And I'd like to think that in some small way I've contributed to some of the companies that have succeeded and flourished. And that's what I really enjoy doing. I -- as you can see on the board there, I'm a current Director and Chair of Scales Corporation, a Director of ANZCO Foods. I'm also a Director of a number of other private and locally held companies across the agribusiness sector, and I'm currently involved in sharing a water security project in Hawke's Bay as well. I just have a huge passion for agribusiness. It's something that I love. It's where my real connection and heart is. And people talk about governance roles. If you don't have empathy with the sector you're involved in or the roles that you're doing or the people you're working with, then you shouldn't be there. And this is -- Scales Corporation is exactly the company that I really have empathy with and enjoy serving alongside the amazing people that we have here today. I was -- it was an interesting start to my role in Scales when I started in 2023, and that was the annual meeting. My very first meeting was that I came in to Chair -- I chaired the Board meeting and chaired the annual meeting that same day on my very first board meeting. So I was really thrown into the fire a bit. But look, I've absolutely loved the last 3 years during the time it's flown by. And I think we've achieved a lot. If you look at the results today, we've tripled the underlying NPAT attributable to shareholders and 2025 is a record result. So I'm not going to claim credit for the share price, but after Cyclone Gabriel, it was pretty low at around $2.80 and we're nearing $6 today. So I don't think that's necessarily a reflection of me and my role. But certainly, I think if you look at the teams that we put together the people that are in the company today and the next step and the next stage of the people that are coming into the company with these divisional CEO roles, I think the future for Scales is very exciting indeed. I love being here with the people, the culture of this company is fantastic. And look, I would really welcome and appreciate your support in voting me back as a director for the coming 3 years. So I can help contribute more to this wonderful company of yours. Thank you.
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesThanks, Mike. I now move as an ordinary resolution that Mike Petersen be reelected as a Non-executive independent director. Are there any questions on this resolution. No questions, right? I'll hand back to you. Thank you.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesThanks. I'll now pass back to you, Mike, it says here now Andy. Thank you very much. Okay. Resolution 6 relates to a proposal to increase the maximum total pool of directors' remuneration available for your Board of Directors by $130,000 being the equivalent of AUD 110,000 per annum to $755,000 per annum for the 2026 year and onwards effective from the close of this annual meeting. Shareholder approval for this has required under NZX Listing Rule 2.11.1. An appropriate fee structure is important to ensure that Scales can continue to attract and retain the right governance skills and experience to govern your business and that those directors are being fairly remunerated for the work they do. The proposed increase in the directors' fee pool was being sought as a consequence of Scales increasing its shareholding in its Australian-based Global Proteins joint ventures last year, which resulted in Meateor Australia, Fayman International and ANZ Exports becoming wholly or partially owned subsidiaries of Scales. Each of these entities currently has 2 directors, who received combined director fees of AUD 110,000 per annum, and these fees now need to be accommodated within Scales' fee pool. For the avoidance of doubt, current fees payable per director are remaining unchanged. I just want to be clear about that. I now move as an ordinary resolution that the maximum total pool of directors remuneration payable by Scales to directors and their capacities of directors be revised from $625,000 per annum to $755,000 per annum. In accordance with the NZX listing rules, the directors and the associated persons are restricted from voting on this resolution. Are there any questions on this resolution? I understand there's a bit of complication here. But the incorporation of these joint ventures becoming subsidiaries of ours, we need to include these in the pool. And look, it's lovely to have David Foot here with us from Australia, who's actually serving a really good role for us on that Australian company of ours. So are there any questions from any of the shareholders? Okay. Thank you. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our discussion on the items of business. I'll close the voting online very shortly. If you haven't already done so, please cast your votes now. A reminder of how to vote online is shown on screen. Computershare will now collect the voting papers from shareholders in the room. Once all the votes have been cast, they will be counted by the company's share registrar, Computershare and scrutinized by the company's auditor. The results of today's meeting will be released to the NZX on the completion of verification of voting. I'll now pause to allow you to finalize voting and put your ballots into the boxes as they're being passed around the room before we move to general questions. [Voting]
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesGood everyone is there, do you think? Thank you very much. Everyone put their votes in the box. For those online, okay, ladies and gentlemen, voting is now closed. Thank you very much. We'll now move on to general questions. And if there are any questions on the financial results, the business update or any other matters you'd like to raise. For those online, please do so through the Computershare online meeting platform. A reminder of the process is shown on screen. For those of you present, I'll open the floor to any questions. Just a reminder, if we run out of time to answer questions here today, we'll respond to any additional questions in writing following the meeting. Ladies and gentlemen, the floor is open. The floor is yours and over for questions. Here, sir? Sorry, just remind you to please wait until the microphone comes because then the people online won't be able to hear the question.
Frank Stewart
ShareholdersYes. I am Frank Stewart. I represent the New Zealand Shareholders Association. Each year before the annual meeting, we do a governance report for a company. And we look at about over 100 items and we condensed that down to 15. I should have said before, I'm not actually a shareholder because I transferred my shares to my -- one of my grandchildren. I've still got an interest. As I said, we're convinced -- condensed the items down to 15 categories. And of the 15 categories, I guess we would have marked you A plus for 13 of them. And for 2 of them, there was a couple of minor things and would mark it as an A. So it's quite a good result. And over 20 years of involvement with the New Zealand Shareholders Association, I don't look at all the reports of companies, but that's the most impressive one I've ever seen. So that's good.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesThank you very much. Now we always appreciate. We always appreciate feedback from the shareholders association.
Frank Stewart
ShareholdersA couple of questions when I ask because there's about 60 people in the room. How many are online?
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesYes. And Mr. Kennelly has got that answer?
Steve Kennelly
ExecutivesSorry, that has changed during the meeting, but currently 47.
Michael Petersen
Executives47 online.
Frank Stewart
ShareholdersAnd the second question is you haven't mentioned it at all. So can I assume that you're not directly affected by the events in the Gulf?
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesLook, thank you for the question about the events in the Gulf. We are affected, but you would've heard in Andy's report about the guidance for the coming year that at this stage, there is nothing that we know that will affect the guidance that we've provided to the market. And so we're reiterating our current guidance, which has stayed the same.
Unknown Shareholder
ShareholdersOn the both protein foods you're producing a lot of edible Foods. Could you expand what they are?
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesSo the question, Andy, is difference between the edible and nonedible, so explain on the edible foods part of the business, please?
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesYes. Look, it's a range of proteins, mainly beef, a lot of offal, a lot of beef offals going up into Asia. But in the America, the products we're sending to America are more meat trims, meat items. But yes, across the board, a very big proportion of beef, some chicken and a little bit of fish. That's right, yes.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesOkay. So just to clear, the purchase from the meat processing companies. And you're right. I mean, certainly with the Fayman business, that's more of an edible business, edible foods business, but the bulk majority of our work in global proteins is inedible for pet food ingredients. Other questions? Questions in the room before we go to online. Yes, there's one in the middle here. Thanks, Lisa.
Unknown Shareholder
ShareholdersRegarding inedible proteins, where do you see the petfood thing in the next 5 years?
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesYes. Thanks for the question, Keith. I'll just note that Keith was a boss of mine in 1981. J.E. Watson and Cole.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesIt wasn't that long ago.
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesNo. Keith, the pet food sector is -- we still believe is a very strong sector to be involved in. Its growth in many countries is continuing. The growth in CAGR growth, we call it as a very solid number on the up. So we certainly are -- there's been the odd slowdown, particularly Middle America probably did a slowdown last year. But funnily enough, the more commodity products and the high-end products went really well. And we're more exposed to the high-end side with the beef in America. So yes, very positive about the outlook for the sector going forward.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesYes, there is a question in the front here.
Unknown Shareholder
ShareholdersWarren, a shareholder. I was wondering if you could explain the shareholding structure a bit more because we have things like net profit attributable to shareholders and then some of the net profit, not attributable to shareholders. So what is this structure?
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesIt really reflects the minority shareholders have in the subsidiaries.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesJoint ventures.
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesAnd the joint ventures, sorry. Yes. So well, the Shelby is a subsidiary. Yes. So it's really -- we've trying to report to you as our shareholders as the earnings that I guess you are making having adjusted for what they've -- the total company was making what was that, Steve? NPAT attributable the total number was nearly $100 million, yes, versus the $62 million was attributable to the shareholders in the room and the rest of the Scales shareholders.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesSo that means, for example, in Shelby, where we own 67.5% of that business, it's those earnings 67.5% of their earnings are attributable to you as shareholders, because the minority partner will take the balance.
Unknown Shareholder
ShareholdersCould you just clarify your policy on the level of dividend compared to earnings. Do you have a policy?
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesWe do you have a policy -- We do have a policy, Steve, just to get 50% to 75%.
Michael Petersen
Executives75%. Yes NPAT attributable. Net profit after tax attributable to shareholders, yes, between 50% and 75%. Very good. Any other questions in the room? Yes, sir. That was just a microphone. Thank you.
Unknown Shareholder
ShareholdersThank you. Ian Upston, shareholder. I have Australian shares and it irritates me that is a New Zealand shareholder, I don't get the Australian franking credits. And vice versa, the Australians investing in New Zealand can't get our imputation credits and this needs to be brought to the attention of the politicians that it's restricting investment between the 2 countries. So how is the company treated as dividends from offshore investments as far as getting back in franking credits, if that's possible.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesNo, it's a very good point. And look, I'm not the accountant and I'll pass to maybe Paul or Tony to answer that question. But you've raised a very important issue where because a lot of our earnings -- a lot of our earnings are owned offshore and then the imputation credits are not available when we pay the dividends to shareholders in New Zealand. So Tony, did you want to expand on that? Or Paul or Steve?
Steve Kennelly
ExecutivesI'll actually defer to my colleague, Jamal, and I wonder -- it's a rather complicated matter, and I wonder whether I could put you 2 together after the meeting to discuss that one.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesI think I was broadly right, though, wasn't I?
Unknown Executive
ExecutivesThe dividend, the imputation regime is relatively unique to the Australasian environment. At Scales in terms of paying dividends to our shareholders, we impute 50% of our dividends, and that's because we only have imputation credits available from our local earnings and that's the reason. So -- and that's not our Scales, then that's anyone operating in New Zealand with global operations runs up against that same issue. So any New Zealand company operating out in the world that concept of dividend and mutation credit doesn't exist in the same way. So it's a good way of New Zealand companies distributing New Zealand profits back to New Zealand shareholders, that works really, really well. Once you get out to the global stage, that's not a concept that exists in the same way and it gets a lot more complicated by jurisdiction. Yes, effectively, there is that's what happens.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesYes. Your point is well noted. Okay. Any other questions in the room before we go to some online questions. Yes, in the front. We just go right down front here, John.
Unknown Shareholder
ShareholdersRussell Hint, a shareholder. I'd just like to hear about 2026. And how is our crop how are our crops going this year, particularly in view of the climate conditions that you guys have been facing up in the Hawke's Bay, et cetera.
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesI'm wondering whether Mr. Van Workum might want to comment. But yes, I'll trust you, Andrew, to give a brief update.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesYou might talk about every single apple.
Andrew van Workum
ExecutivesYes, look, we had put 3 pretty tough years until last year, and we'd argue the weather return back to normal last year and had a lovely crop. And we've been on target for the same thing this year, have a very nice spring. We had quite some weather in the middle of January, which knocked the fruit around EBIT. So that was -- but overall, nice rains, good cool nights and brilliant color. So very nice fruit looking fruit and eating fruit. The storm that we were worried about a few days ago, that sort of yes, there was some wind. Not a lot of rain. I mean, the rain is quite good for us. It's not an issue at the moment. It's more the wind, but we're down to about 12% of the crop to pick. So most of the fruit is either in a carton on the way to market or in a cool store, we've got 120,000 wooden bins -- those big wooden bins full of fruit in cool stores. So we're sort of in the home stretch we're not quite jogging to the finish, but the finish is 2 weeks away. So we're in a very strong position. There's a nice crop this year.
Unknown Shareholder
ShareholdersThank you. Thanks, Andrew. Well done. Very good. Steve, do you have any questions online that you'd like to...
Steve Kennelly
ExecutivesWe've got a number, Mike. So the first one comes from Allan King. Has the closure of the Strait of Hormuz affected trade to Middle East to date what percentage of our sales depend on the Strait being open?
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesAndy?
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesYes. Look, we do send about or have sent of 6% to 8% of our crop to the Middle East and that some of that might get through overland route, but at the moment, it isn't. But -- it's a big Royal Gala market up there, and we can sell those Royal Galas and other markets. So we're thinking it's -- it's not what we prefer, but it's certainly something that we can mitigate.
Steve Kennelly
ExecutivesNext question comes from Paul Grant. Is there an intention to increase Mr. Apple's plantings in Hawke's Bay.
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesLook, I think we're always looking at different opportunities. Clearly, our Bostock we talk about the Bostock transaction, but it was sort of a Craigmore transaction. We bought Land of John Bostock and Craigmore bought. So we bought developed land, a lot of from John. And -- but we sold undeveloped hectares to Craigmore, and they are an overseas entity, so they needed to do redevelopment. So that deals sort of struck well. But we do look at our footprint around our capacity for packing and air bin capacity. So no, we don't want to plan another 500 hectares and have to do build another pack out that's half full. So it's sort of like filling in a box. You really want to be as efficient as possible when your infrastructure is working at maximum. So we're pretty happy at the moment with our 1,200 hectares that we're farming, orcharding -- and while we're really doing inside that 1,200 though, we've talked about it as the new varieties that we're bringing through and being are more paying premium prices, good yields. So we're benefiting from the last 10 or 15 years of R&D, and that's where we're heading with that Mr. Apple business.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesYou'll see on our forecast for Horticulture that we sort of were at about 3.5 million and sort of peaked at about 3.7 million. But we are continually looking at opportunities to improve the premiumization of that mix. And so that's the exciting thing that we think about now as how can we continue to maintain that level to make sure our pack house is fully utilized, but increase the value of those apples coming off the orchards.
Steve Kennelly
ExecutivesNext question comes from Grant. Do you see any opportunities sales arising from the misfortunes which have recently impacted McCains and Heinz Wattie in Hawke's Bay?
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesWell, I'm happy to try and answer that because I live in Hawke's Bay. Look, it has been tough and Hawke's Bay with the closure of McCains and Watties. And look, it potentially could open up some opportunities. There are certain ground that won't be growing vegetables in the next -- after next season because they've still got this team to follow through. And some of that ground does have water consents available to it, which could open up some opportunities. But at this stage, it's very much unknown. I know that the current owners trying to sell those assets. We don't know whether anyone will come in and buy them and try to replicate what Watties and McCains were doing. But it certainly does open up some ground for apple growing, and we'll look at every opportunity.
Steve Kennelly
ExecutivesNext question is from Ellen King, and it's simply $1 billion revenue this year?
Michael Petersen
Executives$1 billion revenue this year? Question mark? We're very close.
Andrew Borland
ExecutivesI'd rather have $1 billion market cap.
Michael Petersen
Executives$1 billion market cap, Andy is saying they'd be better for shareholders. Look, but look, we certainly are getting a tailwind with lowered New Zealand dollar, the value of the dollars, bringing returns back into New Zealand, which are stronger. But we're very early in the selling season for apples. And there's quite a lot of uncertainty, particularly with the Strait of Hormuz and Iran war. So look, we're being very cautious as a board and as a company in trying to put projections out there at the moment, except we do know that we believe our current guidance is still intact, and we're going to strive to make sure that we -- those numbers.
Steve Kennelly
ExecutivesNext question is from Marcus on Francisco, I think, is pronunciation. What is your view about growth in the New Zealand level industry over the next 5 to 10 years, maybe in comparison to the kiwi fruit industry?
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesWell, kiwi fruit is a behemoth that's growing incredibly and it's a fantastic industry. And look, apples is certainly still a growing industry. And you've seen a number of companies that have been growing their footprint and apples, particularly over the last few years. For us, we see modest growth in apples for us as a company. But you will have seen other companies that are expanding quite strongly, and they certainly see opportunities. So a lot of it will depend, and we believe Hawke's Bay is the best place to grow apples in the world don't we, Andrew? Absolutely. A lot of it will depend on whether we can access water, and that's a real challenge for us in the region. Even though we're well secured, currently, any expansion would require water consent, and that's an ongoing challenge.
Steve Kennelly
ExecutivesAnd last question online from Peter Hill. Is there a risk of fruit being grown offshore in competition as has happened with kiwi fruit in China?
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesWell, we're -- there are a lot of apples grown offshore in competition with New Zealand and some companies have a dual strategy of growing apples here onshore and then also growing offshore in the off season. So we're a little bit different. We are preferring to grow all of our apples onshore, and we maximize the selling period throughout the year to ensure we get quality fruit into the market. So for us, that isn't an option. But look, we fully understand other company strategies and desires to do so.
Steve Kennelly
ExecutivesAnd Andrew, do you want to make a comment on Fruitcraft and the new varieties?
Andrew van Workum
ExecutivesMr. Apple is a third shareholder in a company called Fruitcraft, and we find -- bring to the group, the 3 owners new varieties. We've got some really exciting things in front of us, and we're well on the journey with Dazzle which has proved a success. We're pretty cautious about offshore because really, it's -- we look at it and say it's the New Zealand Apple ecosystem that matters most of all. And you can earn a few royalties offshore, but the return to New Zealand and your community can be 20x that if you get it right. I guess you've got PVRs protecting varieties and they can be hard to control in some countries like people do sometimes take water and do things. What we fall back on is we're very reliant on things like trademark. So Dazzle is a very -- is getting to be a very established brand and market, and we can protect that through the world really strongly and a lot of countries we can protect PVR very strongly. So we're in a very strong position, but the New Zealand Apple ecosystem is what really matters to us. That's it.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesThanks, Andrew.
Steve Kennelly
ExecutivesNo more questions online.
Michael Petersen
ExecutivesNo more questions online. Okay. Look, I'll just answer a question that came in via e-mail, Steve, I think, which is important. Look, we -- during the year, we applied to have a closed orchard, which is situated in Hawke's Bay, to be -- we applied for it to be included in what's called the Hawke's Bay Regional Council future development strategy. And so there was a block of land that we thought might be suitable for which industrial use was -- it's one of our orchards. Look, that application was declined. And so that proposal has been put on hold and that's not going to happen. So at this stage. We've committed to some adjoining landowners to come back and talk to them at any stage if we were to try and progress that project again. But look, they have asked me to address the question in front of you here today and look, I've committed to them personally. We have visited them with Andrew on Easter Monday, committed to them personally to sit down around the table with them if we decide to progress this application further at this stage. So I just want to raise that and have it on the record. Thank you, Steve. Any other questions in the room, if there are no more online? Okay, ladies and gentlemen. That concludes our discussion on the items of business and as there doesn't appear to be any further business for discussion, that brings us to the end of the formal business for Scales Corporation 2026 and Shareholders' Meeting. I'd like to thank you all for taking the time to connect with us today, whether it is online or in person. And I'd now like to declare the meeting closed. We'd just like to invite all of you here today to join us for some refreshments and some food outside. Chance to have an informal discussion with any of the directors or management team here today. So please feel free to join us I think Andrew Hepinster brought some of his tasty treats up. There might be some apples out there for you to take home as well, and we look forward to the conversation out in the foyer. Thank you very much.
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