Som Distilleries & Breweries Limited ($SDBL)

Earnings Call Transcript · June 2, 2026

NSEI IN Consumer Staples Beverages Earnings Calls 49 min

Highlights from the call

In the fourth quarter and full fiscal year 2026, Som Distilleries & Breweries Limited (SDBL:IN) reported a significant revenue decline of 14.8% to INR 1,233 crores, with EBITDA falling to INR 89.7 crores and PAT at INR 10.2 crores. The company's performance was adversely affected by operational disruptions at its Bhopal facility and subdued demand in key markets, leading to a 20% drop in beer volumes. Management signaled a cautious optimism for FY 2027, projecting revenues between INR 1,400 crores and INR 1,500 crores, contingent on the resolution of licensing issues and improved market conditions.

Main topics

  • Revenue Decline: SDBL's consolidated revenue for FY 2026 decreased by 14.8% to INR 1,233 crores, primarily due to operational disruptions and subdued demand. Management stated, "Full year '26 was a challenging year for the company."
  • Operational Disruptions: The Bhopal facility faced temporary licensing issues, impacting production and distribution. Management is currently working on the renewal process and is optimistic about a resolution, stating, "We do not anticipate any long-term impact on the company's operations."
  • IMFL Business Resilience: Despite challenges in the beer segment, the Indian Made Foreign Liquor (IMFL) business grew by 32% to 15.03 lakh cases, driven by improved market penetration. Management noted, "The IMFL business continued to demonstrate resilience."
  • Future Revenue Guidance: Management provided a revenue guidance for FY 2027 of INR 1,400 to INR 1,500 crores, contingent on the resolution of the Bhopal licensing issue. They stated, "We are bare minimum aiming for what we achieved in '24-'25, which was around INR 1,420 crores."
  • UP Brewery Project: The greenfield brewery project in Uttar Pradesh is on schedule, with commercial operations expected to commence soon. This facility is anticipated to enhance production capacity significantly, contributing to future revenue growth.

Key metrics mentioned

  • Revenue: INR 1,233 crores (vs INR 1,450 crores est, -14.8% YoY)
  • EBITDA: INR 89.7 crores (vs INR 100 crores est, -20% YoY)
  • PAT: INR 10.2 crores (vs INR 15 crores est, -32% YoY)
  • Beer Volumes: 187.19 lakh cases (vs 234.00 lakh cases, -20% YoY)
  • IMFL Volumes: 15.03 lakh cases (vs 11.36 lakh cases, +32% YoY)
  • Debt-to-Equity Ratio: 0.30x (vs 0.25x previous year)

The outlook for Som Distilleries & Breweries remains cautious but with potential for recovery in FY 2027, contingent on resolving operational disruptions and leveraging new capacity in Uttar Pradesh. Investors should monitor the progress on the Bhopal licensing issue and the company's ability to capitalize on improving market conditions in Karnataka and Tamil Nadu.

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

Operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Som Distilleries and Breweries Limited Q4 and FY 2026 Earnings Conference Call. This conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the company, which are based on the beliefs, opinions and expectations of the company as on date of this call. These statements are not the guarantees of future performance and risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Diwakaran Suryanarayana, Chief Operating Officer. Thank you, and over to you, Mr. Suryanarayana.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#2

Thank you. Thank you. Hello, good afternoon, all of you. My name is Diwakaran, and I am the Chief Operating Officer of this company. Nakul and I thank you for joining us today. It's always a pleasure to connect with our esteemed investors and analysts. I extend a warm welcome to all on behalf of Som. Full year '26 was a challenging year for the company. Mark operational disruptions and industry-wide cost pressures. Consolidated revenue declined by 14.8% to INR 1,233 crores, while EBITDA declined to INR 89.7 crores and PAT stood at INR 10.2 crores. The company's performance during the year was significantly impacted by the temporary license related disruption at the Bhopal facility and subdued demand conditions in Karnataka and Odisha, the company's key markets. Consequently, beer volumes declined by 20% to 187.19 lakh cases during full year '26. However, the IMFL business continued to demonstrate resilience, recording volume growth of 32% to 15.03 lakh cases, supported by improved market penetration, encouraging consumer behavior to the company's premium portfolio. Total volume stood at 202.22 lakh cases, representing a decline of 17.7% year-on-year. Last year, the industry also faced significant inflationary pressures during the year arising from geopolitical uncertainties, elevated energy costs and supply chain disruptions. Input costs relating to glass bottles, aluminum cans, barley and logistics remained under pressure, adversely impacting margins across the alcoholic beverage industry and we were not spared either. Despite these challenges, the company continued to generate healthy operating cash flows and remain committed to its long-term growth strategy. The renewal process for the manufacturing license at the Bhopal facility is currently underway, pursuant to the applicable regulatory process, and the company continues to work closely with the concerned authorities. Management remains confident of a favorable resolution and does not anticipate any long-term impact on the company's operations. Increasingly, the company has started witnessing improved offtake trends in Karnataka, following the rationalization of the excise duty structure in the state. And even in states like Tamil Nadu, the company is doing much better than what it had done in '24-'25 and '25-'26. Management expects the revised policy framework to improve market competitiveness and support volume recovery in 1 of key operating regions going forward. I now hand over to my colleague, Mr. Nakul Sethi, who will share further insights. Thank you. Nakul, over to you, please.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#3

Thank you, Diwakaran. A major milestone during the year has been the continued development of our greenfield brewery project in Uttar Pradesh through our wholly owned subsidiary with The projects remains on schedule and production terms have commenced. successful completion of the trial phase, the facility is expected to commence commercial operations and significantly strengthen our manufacturing footprint in of India. In the year, we invested approximately INR 250 crores towards the of the Uttar Pradesh project through our -- through. Upon commissioning, the facility is expected to significantly enhance production capacities, improve our regional market access and strengthen the company's presence across North India. A notable highlight during the year was the company's ability to maintain a healthy balance sheet despite lower profitability and ongoing capital expenditure. While the company continued to invest aggressively in capacity creation, consolidated gross debt increased by only INR 43 crores during FY '26 from INR 168 crores to INR 211 crores. Consequently, the gross debt-to-equity ratio remains comfortable at 0.30x as against 0.25x in the previous year. While inflationary pressures on glasses, can, packaging materials, energy and other key inputs continue to remain an industry-wide concern, the company remains focused on cost optimization, operational efficiencies and premiumization initiatives to mitigate margin pressure. FY '26 was a year marked by temporary operational challenges and substantial investments for future growth. As we enter FY '27 with the expected normalization of mobile operations and the commissioning of our UP facility, we are confident that the company is entering its next phase of growth with a stronger manufacturing platform, a robust balance sheet and significant opportunities for value creation. With this, I think we can move to the Q&A session.

Operator

Operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of [indiscernible] with RoboCapital.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#5

My question is that I just wanted to know your outlook on the revenue growth and the EBITDA margins for FY '27 and '28.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#6

Nakul, you want to take that?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#7

FY '27-'28 or '26-'27?

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#8

FY '27 and '28 the revenue growth outlook and the EBITDA margins.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#9

Diwakar, can you do for '26-'27?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#10

Yes, sure. We have had a tough year in FY '26. So that's very evident from the results, both in quarter 4 and the full year. And hopefully, our license matter in our unit at Bhopal could get resolved in the next couple of weeks is our estimate. I think that in place, we are bare minimum aiming for what we achieved in '24-'25, which was around INR 1,420 crores, INR 1,430 crores-or-something. So I think we should be able to get that. And plus, we are seeing improving signs of our business in Karnataka. We are able to grow market share in markets like Tamil Nadu, which we entered last year only. And our acceptance of our brands has been good. And we hope to open up a few more markets during the year. So I think all in all, I think INR 1,440 crores, INR 1,450 crores is something that is quite possible is what we are expecting.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#11

So that will be achievable in FY '27?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#12

Sorry, that will be?

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#13

The guidance that you have given, that is for FY '27?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#14

FY '27.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#15

And what about FY '28 and the EBITDA margins for both the years?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#16

See, I think for FY '28, we'll wait for another 6 months or so to give a guidance for FY '28 because the macroeconomic situation is very dynamic as of now, especially on the margin front because we are seeing a lot of inflationary pressures creeping in, especially in transported cans and barley. So I think we -- in terms of guidance for the EBITDA margin, I think we should do about close to 10% for this year.

Operator

Operator
#17

Next question comes from the line of Yash Agarwal -- sorry, [ Manoj Kumar Pal ], and individual investor.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#18

It's very fair to say the numbers of this quarter because I can understand there were that this regulatory issues were there. But my question is why this situation has arised? While the productive action was not being taken before, so that's to avoid this kind of situation that the license is getting canceled, which is the heart of the company? If the heart to stops working, the entire body failes. This is my first question.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#19

Nakul, I will take this question, if you...

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#20

Yes, yes, please.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#21

Yes. So it is really -- like you said very rightly, Mr. [ Manoj ], this is really unfortunate that this blip is a slip that's happened. And we are taking all measures to make sure that the license and -- licenses our business is started as early as possible. And I think it's a -- some of these matters are so therefore, there's no point discussing that over the phone now. And -- so it's better that we manage that -- our management is left to manage this, as you know well, at the local regulatory level. And we are hopeful that it will be resolved, as there has been some kind of a miscommunication and misunderstanding, which probably has related to this. But we are prepared to handle this, and we will surely get out of it as soon as possible.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#22

Okay, sir. Okay. And my next question is what about the inventory of the Bhopal plant, whether it is stuck or were you able to put up that into the market?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#23

Yes. So as part of the discussions with the regulatory, we have been able to remove all the finished goods inventory from the plant, and it's already disposed off.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#24

The disposed off means, it is sold in the market or...

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#25

It is sold.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#26

Yes, it's sold in the market.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#27

Okay. Okay. And I hope the management will take quite proactive actions, so in future, like this situation doesn't arise in future because now our UP plant is also come I hope all these things result regulatory issues might have been completed. And all the best for the future endeavor, that's what I can say at this point of time.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#28

Thank you, sir. Thank you for showing the patience and understanding of the situation.

Operator

Operator
#29

Next question comes from the line of [ Yash Agarwal ] with [ Sharath Agarwal Broking Services ].

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#30

So basically, I wanted to know that the Company Secretary has also recently resigned and our auditor has also left. So what are the reasons behind the key managers leaving the company?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#31

I'll answer that Diwakar. The Company Secretary belonged to Delhi, and he had some personal issues to take care of, that's why he moved back to Delhi.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#32

Okay. And our auditor?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#33

No, it's our internal auditor. And as a matter of good corporate governance, we had given it. But he's not part of any KMP or strategy body as required.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#34

Okay. Okay. And related to the shareholding now like on the previous con-call, we had had a discussion that management is interested in buying its own share and wanted to increase the shareholding to 50% in the coming years. Though there has been a significant price correction in the stock, but we haven't seen any management interest in terms of buying shares or any specific warrants getting issued. So any comments on that?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#35

I think the warrants for new money will come into the company as and when required because there has to be end used to the money also.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#36

No, in terms of increasing the promoter holding?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#37

Yes, yes, that's what I'm saying. The promoter holding -- I mean if the promoters want to put in money. There has to be end use for that money in the company. So we see it when we do the Phase 2 of the UP project.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#38

Okay. But as of now, there is no plan of increasing the shareholding?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#39

No, I did say that. I mean, there has to be a purpose for putting in the money in the company. So what I meant to say was that the plan of the promoter is still very relevant of increasing their shareholding what they have stated. But there has to be a purpose for which the money has to be raised.

Operator

Operator
#40

Next question comes from the line of [indiscernible] Investment.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#41

So my first question is regarding UP plant. So sir, can you update like when the plant will go live and what is the utilization and revenue you are expecting for FY '27?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#42

So I mean, the -- right now, the trial runs are going on, and we expect that the commercial production from the plant should commence from this month onwards and we are expecting that we should do about -- close to about 15 lakh to 20 lakh cases this year from the UP plant.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#43

So that but -- so revenue potential would be 20 lakh cases in whatever the average price of we have currently?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#44

Yes. This will be slightly higher because there is more of cans in UP. So I mean consolidated, we did about INR 550, I think, per case. I think what you can do about INR 600-odd.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#45

So INR 600-odd crore from UP alone for FY '27?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#46

INR 600 per case, so INR 600 for INR 120 crores.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#47

Okay. Okay. And sir, can you -- I have 1 more question. Like can you repeat the guidance for FY '27? I joined late, so missed this part.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#48

So Diwakar had given a guidance of between INR 1,400 crores to INR 1,500 crores.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#49

INR 1,400 crores to INR 1,500 correct, sir?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#50

Yes.

Operator

Operator
#51

Next question comes from the line of [ Shivam Sangvi ], an individual investor.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#52

I wanted to know with this current quarter, that is April to June, will the next quarter be similar in line of the losses or the costs have been reduced?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#53

I think quarter 1 would be, I think, in terms of numbers should be better than quarter 4.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#54

Okay. So the cost has been reduced in any manner?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#55

Yes, because we'll have better utilization coming in from Nada and Orissa for this quarter 1, plus like we had mentioned that certain is good also have been sold from the [indiscernible] quarter 1.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#56

Okay. Sir, have we reduced cost that pertains to Bhopal plant for quarter 1?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#57

What did you say, reduced?

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#58

Have we reduced any cost that pertains to Bhopal plant as it is closed as of now?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#59

I think only labor would be reduced. But other than that, there's no other costs which can we reduced. Because see, we are very much confident of starting upon plant as soon as possible. So there has been no salary cuts or employees have been asked to go. And the company is a very regular payment of and interest and all.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#60

Okay. Sir, one more thing. How much time will it take to reach the same market share in MP once the plant is opened?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#61

Yes. Unfortunately the main season, we are in the main season right now, so it will be slightly difficult. But I think by next 6 months-or-so, we should be able to capture our market share by then.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#62

The similar market share that we had?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#63

Yes, yes, similar market share.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#64

Okay. And sir, how are things doing in Delhi and Karnataka this quarter?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#65

Diwakar, can you please take that?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#66

Can you repeat the question, please, sorry.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#67

Sir, how are things doing in Delhi and Karnataka for this quarter -- in this month, as of now?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#68

So the good thing is Karnataka is looking up. And Karnataka almost contributes to 30%, 35% of our total business. That started looking up. It is looking better. Recently, there was some rationalization of duties in the state of Karnataka by the excise department based on alcohol and leverage taxes has been implemented. And that's kind of helping us because in the category where we are present in the segment where we are present, I think we hold a reasonable market share, and that segment is growing better than the mainstream and the premium segment. So therefore, we are expecting much better results in -- not only in quarter 1 but through the year. As far as Delhi is concerned, it is -- it was being serviced by our plant in Bhopal. And right from the time the plant was nonoperational for February, we have not been able to supply anything to Delhi. And this quarter will not be so great unless and until we resume supplies as soon as the license issue is solved in Madhya Pradesh.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#69

Okay. So with the plant only supplies sent to Delhi as well, MP?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#70

No, it was going to various states. It was going to Madhya Pradesh. Plant was supplying to Delhi, it was supplying to Jharkhand, it was supplying to Uttar Pradesh also. Now Uttar Pradesh, of course, we have new plant. So it was servicing and it was servicing CSD as well, right? So -- but Jharkhand we have been -- made the alternate supplies from Odisha, so that is being taken care of. But some of the markets which SDPL was supplying as a single entity, so we are unable serve those markets. It is not cost effective to supply from any other plant.

Operator

Operator
#71

Next question comes from the line of Hiten Boricha with Sequent Investments.

Hiten Boricha

Analysts
#72

Yes. Sir, my first question is on the guidance. So you gave a guidance of roughly around INR 1,400 crores sales. So this is assuming our Bhopal mobile plant will be starting in Q1 itself. So [indiscernible] it starts to early, then our sales can reach more than INR 1,400 crores because we are a plant will start in Q2, right?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#73

Yes. So hopefully, things will get solved this month, and we are expecting that we'll have a full 9 months for Bhopal plant to operate and perform. That's been factored in that INR 1,400 crores, INR 1,500 crores. We are also expecting, like Nakul stated earlier, our UP plant to kind of start performing -- I mean that -- once the commercial operations starts that also will deliver some incremental revenues from the...

Hiten Boricha

Analysts
#74

Sir, what was the volume from [Technical Difficulty] FY '25?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#75

Your voice was resonating. Can you repeat again?

Hiten Boricha

Analysts
#76

My question is what was the volume from that Bhopal plant in FY '25 or maybe FY '26, six months or 9 month volume

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#77

So roughly 50% of our volume was coming from there.

Hiten Boricha

Analysts
#78

And sir, a follow-up question on the UP plant. So you mentioned we are expecting 15 lakh, 20 lakh cases this year. So what is the maximum capacity of that plant, the UP plant, sir?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#79

The UP plant is 1 crore cases per annum.

Hiten Boricha

Analysts
#80

One crore per annum.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#81

Yes.

Hiten Boricha

Analysts
#82

And it will like take 2 to 3 years to ramp up at full capacity utilization, right?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#83

Yes, it will.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#84

It will. Yes.

Hiten Boricha

Analysts
#85

Okay. Understood. Sorry, sir, just to follow-up, you mentioned our trial is already running, and it will be starting end of this quarter, right?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#86

Yes, UP plant. Most likely June.

Operator

Operator
#87

Next question comes from the line of [ Rahul Majaydiya ], an individual investor.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#88

I have 2 questions. So the first one is that while traditionally beer is a reliable volume driver, what is our strategic road map for increasing the margin and market share of premium whiskeys and in leverages in our portfolio?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#89

Yes. So this question was answered in the previous call -- previous quarter's call. But anyway, we have had a small setback like we have been telling about our Bhopal plant from where we were -- we did start our premium with the We started our supply of in the mid-premium segment. And from there, we are supposed to take off and move into the other premium segments as well as and single malts, et cetera. So we received -- it has received a good response. And even now, there is demand for the brand in the markets where we had already started servicing like multiple steady and tools. And once the plant resumes operations, we will go back to the drawing board and see how we can ramp up that volume in the coming quarters.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#90

Okay. And the second question was the barley and glass model prices historically fluctuating. What is our company's forward buying strategy? And how are we leveraging the returnable glass bottles to increase or protect margins?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#91

Yes. So -- the -- Nakul, I'll take this question for you or you want to take?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#92

So yes, I can. As we have got long-standing relationships with almost all the suppliers who supply barley or glass portal or cans. We have tried into entering into long-term supply contracts. But obviously, the prices have gone up so much that the science of those prices also can't be cat for long. Having said that, we are working hard on our returnable glass bottles especially in Karnataka and Odisha. I can't say for MP right now, to go been about 3 months plus since we are not operating here.

Operator

Operator
#93

Next question comes from the line of [ Tanmay Roy ], and individual investor.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#94

So first question is, the guidance is INR 1,400 crores. But what I see is we are already in Q1, and we are in the season and Q1 actually 30%, 40% of our overall yearly sales and assuming that you are not getting the license of this month and also, how we are saying that INR 1,400 crores What's the and How we are planning that?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#95

See, it's -- the dependency on Bhopal resuming operation is quite reasonable in this forecast -- in this guidance, what we have said, right? So hopefully...

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#96

[indiscernible] if you don't bid that it will not be there, right?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#97

Yes, of course. We don't -- but we are working towards making it happen. And I think we should -- we will -- we are confident that it will happen. So therefore, it is a substantial part of it is going to come from there. Secondly, we are seeing good uplift in Karnataka, vis-a-vis last year, and it will improve in the coming quarters, right? Once the market adjusted to the new prices of the peer, which substantially has come down in both in the mainstream segment and in the economy segment, right? So we are looking at uplift of volume in Karnataka. Thirdly, UP plant has to be commercialized, and it will give us that revenue. And in markets like Tamil Nadu, we are kind of growing and hopefully, we will get better market shares in the coming quarters there as well. All this put together -- and of course, I mean, your question is right, depends on Bhopal, and Bhopal, we are confident that we will solve the

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#98

Yes. But I'm from Bangalore and [indiscernible]

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#99

Sorry?

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#100

I'm from Bangalore, okay, and then where the saying every day and since last almost 15, 20 days. And just to see on the around all the beers there is no people at all in those shops generally are volume goes down, how do you see that it's improving.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#101

What we are seeing is that in the month of April and May, the industry has bounced back. In fact, in both months combined together the industry growth is close to 15%, 16%.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#102

That is after the policy, you are saying?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#103

No, even before the policy came into affect only in May, even April was good. It crossed 50 lakh to 52 lakh cases. And May was a touched about 50 lakh despite the range. And June, we are expecting good numbers versus last year. So therefore, we are hopeful, I mean, things will move. And Karnataka should bounce back as a unit in our rupee unit in hazard that should also bounce back completely because all other markets, neighboring markets also doing -- are doing well. And we hope to kind of start up business in AP in the next couple of 3, 4 weeks.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#104

Okay. Yes. That's help. Second question is the market share which we lost in Karnataka, we are not able to get there so far. So right now, the Bhopal we are not selling definitely lost market share. So how do you see that market share Bhopal by the company? Because I think that is going to player to see the vacancy and they'll try to trap the market share. So what is the company's plan in that?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#105

Without kind of missing words, let me tell you that we cannot recover completely Bhopal does not operate, without words. Okay. So Bhopal, we will make it fit. But specifically answering your question on Karnataka, we are improving our market share quarter by quarter for the last 3, 4 quarters, we have been improving its share. And we will continue to increase market share in Karnataka. And our acceptance of brands and our supply portion also has improved. And therefore, we will improve in Karnataka. As an independent business, we will improve. But whether it will recover the entire loss in Madhya Pradesh, that's not so easy to say.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#106

So you are pan that even if the Bhopal plant starts in men, 3 months and for inside on that.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#107

Yes, right Nakul has a thing answered this question earlier that in the next 6 to 7 months, I think as soon as it starts, we should be able to recover our past numbers in Madhya Pradesh. We still have -- I mean the consumers have been testing and having for last 3, 4 decades, and suddenly, they are not vanished, right? So they will come back when they find their favorite brands, which they have been patronizing for the so many decades, so they will come back. And we have been giving good quality we are at a good price, and they will come back. And we have all the necessary sales and distribution and marketing team just waiting for the plant to open up. So we know how to get back the market share. And it will take some time. It has been a slightly tougher grows, but it will be sorted.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#108

So 1 last question, if I can see Yes. So this asset had in terms of this license in estate fact that we mean that [Technical Difficulty].

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#109

Your voice is kind of cracking or garbled or you need to...

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#110

[Technical Difficulty]

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#111

Sorry, can you speak a little louder?

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#112

Okay. Okay. So 1 and coins in respect of the fact that you knew that Bhopal is our biggest strength in the business, we still lost a license. So there are maybe some lapses internally, which we could not track properly or something, which can happen in future also. So is there any steps which you are taking internally so that these kind of serious should we never happen in future? Any sort of...

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#113

Yes.. Nakul will answer this question, but any which way, I'll tell you, this industry, we have 30 states and 30 different authorities giving us license, okay? And in each state, there are 20, 25 authorities will give licenses for our business, in each state. So it's a very complex, this thing. So we have managed it for 3, 4 decades without any disruption. This has happened and we'll sort it out. And you see what's happened to in Delhi, right? So they are out of market for the last 5, 6 years, right? surprise but we will sort it out.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#114

You're giving an example who has not done well and out of market. I have not seen this happening for United Breweries. I can give that example also, right? I'm not saying what is right or wrong. I'm saying, is there anything which...

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#115

There are certain things, you may not be aware, United probers planned also in Karnataka was shut down for 3 weeks and they went to court and brought it out.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#116

Yes, but there is no license as such.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#117

It was a license issue. Anyways, it's not a debate, but it was an license issue which we are up.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#118

Okay. So any internal anything which we are taking care of this not to happen?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#119

So we are working on better compliances. We have in the process of appointed a dedicated compliance officer, who is going to take care of all the compliances. So we are going to do everything which we can from our side so that such kind of things don't happen in the future.

Operator

Operator
#120

Next question comes from the line of [ Yash Agarwal ] with [ Sharath Agarwal Broking Services ].

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#121

So nowadays that people are so health conscious, why don't we come out with a beer which is low-end calories? Some kind of a premium beer.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#122

Yes. Yes, thank you for the suggestion. We will evaluate that.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#123

And also Garden the Bhopal plant got the license got suspended even on the TV sir came and like even on the con-call, it was said that we'll open it in 2 days, 5 days, 10 days, then it became 15 days, now we are 3 months. So now if you think about the legitimate time period, like a rational time period, what do you think by when the last it can happen? Like because it has been happening from the past 3 months that we are coming out, we are telling 10 days, 5 days, it will happen next week. So what according to you that you guys have been in the business for such a long period of time, do you think that like what's the rightful time period that we can go through this? Because as investors, we have also been waiting in the company, invested in the company from the past 2, 3 years. Now like I understand the problem, but investors also have patience and like we have been also following and tracking the company. In the past 3 years, like the stock has given no returns. We like all of us are sitting at a 50%, 40% stock decline. So if you can give us a rational assumption, we'll also be able to calculate and move forward accordingly.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#124

Nakul?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#125

Yes. So see, I mean, we have now applied for the license and we're expecting a solution anytime soon. And it's not that we don't want the license or we don't care for the investors. We are as much worried as you I think it's a endeavor to get it solved at the earlier.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#126

Okay. And at the earliest, sir, is there any time frame which we can think about, whether it's 1 month, within 3 months, 6 months?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#127

It's pending with the government. We can't give you a definite time frame, but we are expecting that even within the next week to 10 days, it should be sorted out. But I can't give you a specific date as such.

Operator

Operator
#128

Next question comes from the line of [ Savita Kejia ], an individual investor.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#129

I want to know that in the order Madhya Pradesh High Court Jabalpur, they have allowed you to participate in the tender as an interim release, so had the company has participated in this tender?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#130

Sir, there is no tender for us to participate in.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#131

But in the order it is written, it is directed that the petitioner will not be disqualified in cross 31B of

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#132

Sir, that is for our associate company, it is not for this company.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#133

But the order was issued by the Madhya Pradesh Court on 21st of March against the 8335.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#134

That's what I'm telling, sir, this is -- that is for the other company, not for our company because the petition was filed by 2 companies.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#135

But both the companies have the same scope. This is also group.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#136

No, no, no, sir. We are not -- we are doing this concall for the listed company, sir.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#137

Okay. No, listed company, but that company is also your associate subsidiary, sir?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#138

No sir, I -- this call is for the listed company, not for that company, sir.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#139

Okay. Okay. It's not for that company. And one more thing that can I know why the company is so delaying for making application for the license?

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#140

Sir, we have not delayed in any making applications or license. We are very much mindful of the fact that the operation has to be have to commence at the earliest, like I mentioned to the previous caller also, sir.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#141

Okay. Let's hope at earliest you can get the license.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#142

Thank you, sir.

Operator

Operator
#143

Next question comes from the line of [ Anudeep ], an individual investor.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#144

Firstly, I wanted to understand that by end of March, we have put close to INR 250 crores in UP plant, right? So what is the total which is pending for the rest of the Phase I to go live? This is my first question.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#145

So the Phase 1 is the brewery. So no further amount is required, except for the working capital, which we are in the process of putting in.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#146

Okay. So my concern is we had 2 downgrades, right? One for the parent, one for the subsidiary in terms of credit ratings. Now with significant working capital that's required, the one which you said earlier, right, the need of capital, don't you think it's time for the promoters to step in, boost up the reserves and bring back the credit capital? Because one more strain in financials and we can go to a non-investment grade.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#147

This downgrade in the rating is only due to the temporary suspension of the license. This is not to do with any financial as such. Let me complete, sir. So as soon as we will have the license up and running, the ratings will go back to the original ratings.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#148

Okay. And also on the Bhopal and...

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#149

I would also like to update you. We have got about INR 400 crores of lines already sanctioned. But due to our conservative nature, we did not take the lines until the Opal plant is operational.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#150

Okay. Understood. And on the second question, I would like to ask about the Bhopal plant and Karnataka, right? So what earlier Diwakar sir is saying regarding the new AAV policy in Karnataka, which is really good for us. But I want to understand the onetime impact. Is there any onetime impact because of the reduction in prices or there's no impact on us as such?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#151

It is a very good question. So there is no impact. It's only consumer price, which has come down, consumers will benefit from this. It has no impact on our revenues.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#152

Okay. So I mean the top line or the bottom line don't impact us on anything?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#153

In terms of margins, we won't, sir.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#154

Okay. But top line will reduce because MRP as such has come down?

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#155

NO, the top line, if you look at revenue only, it is -- it will be slightly costlier.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#156

Got it. Okay. Okay. So I mean, again, as the other investors also said, right, we have high hopes from the company. We are in this good investment phase. But we'd really appreciate if the company management is proactive in giving investors information as and when it happens. We have seen a few instances where company did not say anything when the first there was a slight delay of 3, 4 days. So we'd really appreciate if company is proactive and further increase the governance practices in the company.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#157

Thank you, sir.

Operator

Operator
#158

Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today. We have reached the end of question-and-answer session. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Diwakaran Suryanarayana for closing comments.

Diwakaran Suryanarayana

Executives
#159

Yes. Thank you very much for for participating in this call today. And we are really happy on the kind of question the quality of questions and discussions that we have had we would urge you to continue to repost trust and faith on our business, and we can assure you it won't go wasted. Thank you. Thank you very much, once again.

Nakul Sethi

Executives
#160

Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator
#161

Thank you. On behalf of Som Distilleries & Breweries Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect.

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