Stove Kraft Limited (STOVEKRAFT.BO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

November 4, 2025

BSE IN Consumer Discretionary Household Durables earnings 57 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Stove Kraft Limited Q2 and H1 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Ms. Vidhi Vasa from MUFG Intime. Thank you, and over to you, Ms. Vidhi.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#2

Thank you, and good afternoon. On behalf of MUFG Intime, I welcome you all to Stove Kraft Limited Q2 and H1 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call. Today on the call, we have Mr. Rajendra Gandhi, Managing Director; Mr. Ramakrishna Pendyala, Chief Financial Officer; and Mr. Hemant Kothari, Vice President, Investor Relations. Before we begin the call, I would like to give a short disclaimer. This call may contain some of the forward-looking statements, which are completely based upon our beliefs, opinion, expectations as of today. The statements are not a guarantee of our future performance and involve unforeseeable risks and uncertainties. And with this, I would like to hand over the call to Mr. Gandhi. Over to you, sir.

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#3

Thank you. Very good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you very much for attending our Q2 and H1 FY '26 earnings call. A detailed presentation and a press release of our quarterly performance have been uploaded on our website. I hope everybody had an opportunity to go through them. We delivered a robust performance across categories driven by improvement in consumer demand and pickup for ongoing festival season, as well as operating and financial leverage kicking in and mentioning during the past interactions. Company posted a double-digit revenue growth of 13.4% year-on-year with a stable gross margin of 38.5% and stronger EBITDA margin of 12%. This has improved our PAT by 27.8% year-on-year, which indeed sequentially improved ROE to 10.1%. The Indian economy is rapidly growing, powered by rising domestic consumption, digital penetration, and a strong manufacturing push. The key trend shaping the industry is the increasing adoption of modern kitchens, which offers seamless functionality and aesthetic appeal. This has led to growing demand for appliances that are energy-efficient, smart and visually appealing, aligning with kitchen design ethos. Among the key beneficiaries of this momentum is the home and small kitchen appliances sector, which has emerged as a vital pillar of modern Indian households, supported by favorable government incentives and the rapid expansion of e-commerce and organized retail. The home and small kitchen appliance industry is poised for sustained and transformative growth in the years ahead. Also, I would like to highlight the structural and long-term positive impact from the GST rate rationalization, which also aligned with the festive season, driving positive impact in our business as approximately 35% of our business currently falls under the -- used to fall under the 12% GST bracket, which is now reduced to 5%. This change presents a significant improvement and opportunity for us to enhance our volume growth. The key product categories that will benefit from the reduction includes pressure cooker and cookware category. We have also seen sluggishness in demand between GST announcement and implementation, which resulted in some delay in sales in quarter 2. We feel GST reduction will bring long-term improvement in demand across categories, mainly the cookware category and the pressure cookers in the quarters to come. Our foray into direct retail to company-owned stores marked a significant step forward in our journey, and it gives me immense satisfaction to share that our company's consistent performance and sustained growth have led us to an important milestone. We successfully added 300 stand-alone Pigeon exclusive outlets in our portfolio, driven by our flagship brand, Pigeon, in the month of October 2025. For the quarter, we added 16 new stores across different geographies. Currently, we are available in 120 cities and 21 states. This achievement highlights Stove Kraft's strong momentum, reinforces our deep connection with households across India. Those stores not only strengthen our brand presence, but also enhance profitability and growth for the company. Moving to the exports. Globally, the kitchen and the home appliances sector continues to benefit from demand for lifestyle upgrades, urbanization, increased digital adoption, robust supply chain, and the shift towards energy-efficient space-saving solutions that help us to move to new categories for U.S., U.K. clients. The IKEA partnership starting FY '26 replaces PTFE nonstick with ceramic cookware, meeting global standards. We have also seen changes in consumer behavior, which will reflect in Indian context in coming years. Company is completely aligned with the changes, which will be defining movement for the industry. Stove Kraft's outlook for the channel perspective is quite good. I believe that we are moving into a phase of good growth. Channel mix in Q2 was 41% from e-commerce, 26% from GT, 14% from modern trade, 3% from corporate/institutional sales, and 11% from OEM exports. 6% was the contribution from our own retail. Our company's retail expansion has been carefully designed to cater to the evolving needs of consumers across India's diverse market, and our aim is to expand to 500 stand-alone Pigeon stores -- exclusive Pigeon stores outlets by 2027, supported by our franchise model, which will not only enable us to expand efficiently, but also create employment opportunities across regions, further intensifying its focus on North and West India for the next year. Now, I will discuss Q2 FY '26 financial performance. The consolidated revenue stood at INR 474.4 crores for the quarter versus INR 418.3 crores in the previous quarter last year, hence, registering a growth of 13.4% year-on-year basis. Gross profit for the quarter stood at INR 182.8 crores versus INR 159.8 crores in Q2 FY '25, a growth of 14.4% year-on-year. Gross margins for the current quarter stood at 38.5%, improving by 33 basis points as compared to Q2 FY '25. EBITDA for Q2 FY '26 stood at INR 56.8 crores versus INR 49 crores in Q2 FY '25, showing a growth of 15.8% year-on-year. The EBITDA margin for the current quarter stood at 12% versus 11.7% in Q2 FY '25, improving by 25 basis points year-on-year. Profit before tax for Q2 FY '25 stood at INR 21.4 crores versus INR 16.7 crores in Q2 FY '25. The PAT margin for the current quarter stood at 4.5% versus 4% in Q2 FY '25, improving by 51 basis points year-on-year. ROCE is sequentially improving to 15.5% in quarter 2 and ROE sequentially improved to 10.1%, which will improve further. Borrowing has reduced significantly in quarter 2 due to improvement in working capital. We are continuously working on the same to further improve it. Cash from operations is about INR 177 crores in HY -- in the first half and investment in CapEx reflects the concluding CapEx. The major payments were for previous year's investments, which were funded by LC and the CapEx for the current period. Now I will discuss the H1 FY '26 financial performance. The consolidated revenue stood at INR 814.5 crores for H1 FY '26 versus INR 732.8 crores in H1 FY '25, hence registering a growth of 11.2% year-on-year. Gross profit for H1 FY '26 stood at INR 313.1 crores versus INR 279.9 crores last year same time, registering a growth of 11.9% year-on-year. Gross profit margins stood at 38.4%, an increase of 24 basis points year-on-year. EBITDA for H1 FY '26 stood at INR 92.4 crores versus INR 80.7 crores in H1 FY '25, showing a growth of 14.5% year-on-year. EBITDA margin for H1 FY '26 stood at 11.3% versus 11% in H1 FY '25, improving by 33 basis points. Profit after tax for H1 FY '26 stood at INR 31.8 crores versus INR 24.9 crores in H1 FY '25, showing a growth of 27.6% year-on-year. PAT margin for the period improved 3.9% with substantial efforts underway to improve the same even further. Now I would request the moderator to open the floor for question and answers. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Khush Gosrani from InCred Asset Management.

Khush Gosrani

analyst
#5

Good set of results. Congratulations. Just wanted to understand how has the export piece grown and from when we can see ramp-up of the IKEA order? That would be my first question.

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#6

Yes. The first quarter -- the quarter gone by, we have grown by 25%. And for the first half, we have grown by about 19%. Our existing business of exports, particularly with the American market, remains as it is. For the new product development, we have lined up a few more categories apart from the cookware, which product development is underway, but there is a pause until there is some stability on the tariff. So, once the stability is there, there is, of course, possibility of very high growth in our export business. Apart from the American market, we are also working with U.K. Our existing customers want to expand their category -- expand their business with us. So, for the coming year, they have added more SKUs to their buying plan. So, we believe that will also help. And the fortunate thing with IKEA business is, while actual revenue recognition will start from first -- the last quarter of this year, but meaningful revenue will start next year, but that is a global business and not limited only to the U.S. So overall, we are very positive about the export business, but we were guiding you all to a 50% growth with a very robust demand from our customers. We believe that the delay in the stabilization of the tariffs could dampen the high growth rate. But still, we are -- we continue to grow from the base of the last year. We hope that this tariff gets rationalized soon. And once that happens, we'll be again on the high growth. So export, we are very, very confident of that growth.

Khush Gosrani

analyst
#7

Sure sir, thank you. And secondly, on the domestic front, given that all the festive season has just gone by and the government incentives are in place, do you feel the momentum could sustain going ahead as well for next 1 year in terms of [indiscernible]?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#8

Yes. See, relative momentum post Diwali is very strong. When I say relative -- see, for the quarter that we are currently in, we don't have a Diwali versus what we had at Diwali last year. But then -- I mean, it was early Diwali. But the momentum post Diwali slows down on sales, but we are seeing that very strong momentum on sales post Diwali. So, we believe that even the growth -- I mean, the sales demand is reasonably high compared to the previous year.

Operator

operator
#9

The next question is from the line of Rehan Syed from Trinetra Asset Management.

Rehan Syed

analyst
#10

Sir, my first question is on the nonstick cookware volume side. Like, can you please help me understand that nonstick cookware volumes have declined Y-o-Y despite value growth. So like, could you share the reasons behind this volume drawback that you [ see ]? Like what was the reason behind that and what are your [indiscernible] plans to revive growth in this segment through pricing or the value addition, like [indiscernible]?

Operator

operator
#11

Sorry to interrupt, sir, but your voice is coming muffled.

Rehan Syed

analyst
#12

Okay. I'll repeat my question.

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#13

Anyway, I think I understood the question. So, see, actually, sometimes the numbers are a little -- not reflecting the true picture. Our ASPs on the range of cookware, though we have classified as nonstick cookware, I would want to stand correct that this is a cookware category. We have a full stack of cookware. We are adding new cookware varieties. So, these are little higher. See, if you will reflect on the value growth, majority of that growth is coming from volume growth only. There is definitely input cost increase in the cost of products, or the realization increase that is adding to the value growth. Otherwise, the 13% growth that is coming -- I mean, actually, majority of that is coming from volume growth only. Maybe because these are -- some of the new categories of our cookware are higher ASP, so by absolute numbers when you calculate this, it looks like that there is a degrowth on the number. But these are higher ASP products. Just there is a movement from lower ASP to higher ASP.

Rehan Syed

analyst
#14

Okay. Okay. Fair enough. And my second question is on the new product launch that you have launched. So, like what –-

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#15

You're very -- can you be a little more louder, sir?

Rehan Syed

analyst
#16

Yes, yes, sure, sure. Like, am I audible now? Yes?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#17

Yes, yes.

Rehan Syed

analyst
#18

Yes. So, like, my second question is on your new product launches side. So, the company launched appliances like [indiscernible] electric kettle [indiscernible]. So, how has the [ early ] response been to this launches? And what proportion of quarter 2 revenue came from this new -- newly introduced [indiscernible]?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#19

You're talking about the performance of the new appliances that we have launched?

Rehan Syed

analyst
#20

Yes, yes. Yes, yes.

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#21

Yes, we continue to grow on the appliances. Even on value -- see, again, the volume growth for the quarter looks like 7% -- 6.7%. It could be because higher ASP products are selling -- we are able to sell more higher ASP products, particularly if you will compare it with kettle versus OTG, the value of an OTG will be much higher, or air fryer will be much higher. So, because we total all the appliances in -- under one line item, the volume growth may look subdued. But otherwise, I can tell you, of the 21.2% growth, majority of this growth is coming from volume, and there is small value growth, very, very small value growth, could be around 3%. So, if you will -- want to understand the actual volume growth, it is around 18%.

Operator

operator
#22

The next question is from the line of Resha Mehta from GreenEdge Wealth.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#23

Compliments for good growth and good numbers. Sir, so, one, wanted to understand that had it not been for the GST-related channel disruption, which probably the industry has seen, what would our growth would have looked like? So, we've done, let's say, around INR 474 crores of revenues. How much revenues would we have lost due to the disruption in the last couple of days?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#24

So this is only our assumption, about 10 days of INR 2 crores -- between INR 15 crores to INR 20 crores is a shortfall from what we would have otherwise anticipated to do or were likely to do. But I think, of course, for any consumer, if we -- I mean, it is not that only 35% of our products are actually going into that reduction. But for the consumer sentiment, it was like there is a reduction in GST and my cost comes down. So, customers either have postponed or deferred. So, it's not that all of the sales will come back immediately. But in the long-term, of course, many of the products that have gone through this GST reduction will definitely become more affordable for our consumers. So, to answer your question, in my opinion, our assumption is INR 15 crores to INR 20 crores is what we believe we would have otherwise lost.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#25

Got it. And sir, so GST rates have reduced on cookers and cookware, which is close to 40% of our revenues. But the press release says that only 35% of our portfolio revenues will positively benefit from the GST cut. So, is there any portion of cookers and cookware which does not benefit from the GST cut? I mean, what is the –

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#26

No. The cookware category, when you sum it up, also includes some export, which does not -- the GST does not impact on that overall. But in our opinion, the total revenue that GST has impacted is around 35%. This also includes some portion of LED bulbs.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#27

Okay. Okay. Understood. And -- so aluminum prices have been rising. So, do we see this as a threat to our margins going forward? Or are we adjusting that in terms of maybe taking calibrated price hikes or perhaps with the superior product mix with the premiumization that we are doing?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#28

So, we are a cost-plus company. Generally, we pass on. And our buying -- the way it is designed, we always have a quarter minus 1 pricing for our supplies. So, we will definitely pass on the price increase on aluminum. But currently, for the current quarter, we enjoy a quarter minus 1 pricing. So definitely, if the current trend continues going forward, we'll have to pass on the price increase to the consumer.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#29

Got it. And with our EBOs, see, we are expanding very rapidly, right? And it's 300 stores in 120 cities and 21 states. So, normally in retail, typically, people tend to expand in -- more of in a cluster fashion so that you get more economies of scale, stores achieve breakeven faster. I mean, are we like spreading ourselves too thin geographically?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#30

Of course, we are stronger in the South, even the contribution is stronger in the South. But we are today there across the country. Our larger expansion in the future will be in the North. We have already got into the West and of course, in the central parts of the country. Today, as we stand, in the east, we have only 3 stores; north, we have 67; south is heavy, 205; and in the west, we have 26. So, of course, even today, the majority of the revenue, almost say, 75% of the revenues are coming from the south, but we have the other regions. So, our more focus will be to expand to north and west first and then move to the east.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#31

Got it. And how many stores would have achieved breakeven out of the 296 stores?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#32

The way we work is, if we see any store not getting to profitability in the first 6 months of its operation, then we relocate the stores. So far, we have relocated about 14 stores. We don't believe that any of our stores -- but for those that would have started in the last 6 months, if they're not achieving breakeven, we will not continue those stores. So, we do not have any stores that actually bleed at the store level. For us, the breakeven is quite low. For us, the revenue -- retail revenue of INR 2.5 lakhs [ did ] breakeven. So -- and our current average is INR 3.81 lakhs.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#33

Got it. And on the exports business, you did touch upon it, but -- so we were doing a run rate of close to INR 60 crores per quarter on this business. How much of that -- so let's say, in H1, for example, if we've done around INR 120 crores of revenues from exports, how much of that comes from the U.S. specifically?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#34

More than 75%.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#35

More than 75%. And going forward, do we expect this kind of slowness to continue? Or do we still expect at least for this year, the INR 60 crore quarterly run rate is doable, excluding IKEA [indiscernible]?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#36

The third quarter is not big for exports for us. The first, second, and last quarter, that is the fourth quarter, are almost the same. So, apart from the third quarter, I don't see any challenge in our exports. But we were anticipating very, very high growth on our exports with all the new product additions from our consumers. But particularly to the U.S. market, the new products that are being developed are at pause until this -- there is some stability on the tariffs. So, there could be [ deferral ]. So the third quarter will not be -- even otherwise, historically, the third quarter is not very large for our exports. The first, second and fourth quarter are what actually contributes to export. We continue to have our exports for our existing products. It's not that it is getting to 0, but the third quarter is definitely small.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#37

But annually, we can still do like INR 240 crore number?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#38

No. If the tariff things stabilizes, definitely, there is a possibility. Otherwise, there will be -- I know we had guided for a 40%, 50% growth on our exports. If the tariff takes longer time to stabilize, then maybe there'll be a little shortfall on that high growth expectation.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#39

Sure. And just last 2 data questions, if I may. So what is our new product contribution to our revenues over the last -- say, for the products that have been launched over -- in the last 2 years, how much do they contribute to our revenues now? And also, you articulated the channel mix in Q2 at the start of the call, I missed it. If you could probably just restate it?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#40

I will. See, on the new product [indiscernible] -- on the new product contribution, [indiscernible] some time, I don't have this data off hand. We will prepare this and send it to you. On each of these channels, in the Q2, GT contributed 26.3% and for the first half it was 26.1%. E-commerce in Q2 was 40.5%.; in the first half it was 37.2%.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#41

Sorry, that was 40.5% or 48%, Q2?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#42

[ 40 ], 40.5%.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#43

Okay.

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#44

Modern trade contributed 13.6% versus first half was 13%. Our institutional sales, which also included some rural sales, is now only at 2.8%, both for the quarter -- second quarter and for the first half. Our retail is at 6%, both for Q2 and for the first half. Our OEM export, the export business for Q2 is 11.1% and for the first half it's 14.9%.

Resha Mehta

analyst
#45

And CSD is a part of institution?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#46

It's a very, very, very small business for us. Of course, part of institution.

Operator

operator
#47

The next question is from the line of Anand Mundra from Soar Wealth.

Anand Mundra

analyst
#48

Congratulations on good set of numbers. Sir, what is your guidance of -- for gross margin for this financial year given the increase in cost of raw material? That was my first question.

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#49

We have -- we are able to do 38.5% for Q2, but we believe our gross margins will improve both in the third and fourth quarter because we have taken some initiatives and there was some lag in some channels -- implementation in some channels. So, we are very positive to improve from there. We hope that for the remaining half of the year, we are able to achieve 39%. And for the whole year, it will be a little below 39%, but we'll be closer to that.

Anand Mundra

analyst
#50

Okay. Noted, sir. Sir, also, can you please give the details of INR 3 crore forex loss that we have incurred in this quarter?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#51

So, I can give you detail. Of course, it's all -- see, we have a hedging policy, and we have a very strong agency guiding us through it. But there has been a continuous rise in the dollar. So, for dollars that we would have hedged, and if the dollar has actually gone up and our realization is at the hedge price, that's where it is. So, if you want a little more detail, I'll tell Ramakrishna. Ramakrishna, can you -- Like, if you have any -- So, approximately, we had INR 2.8 crores of forex loss and mark-to-market was about [ 1.9% ].

Ramakrishna Pendyala

executive
#52

And balance INR 1 crore is from the realized gain or loss, both from...

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#53

So, I'll tell you the net transaction to translation, what we call, was INR 2.8 crores and mark-to-market is for what we would have hedged and at the end of the quarter what it is there, so that is INR 1.1 crores.

Anand Mundra

analyst
#54

Okay. Actually, sir, what I was trying to understand is, is this captured as a part of gross margin improvement because we have incurred foreign exchange loss because we run a full hedge policy?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#55

So, the sales revenue is at the point of sale. And -- so the margin is also captured at the point of sale, whatever is the current rate of the forex. And at the point of realization, the difference is then charged to forex gain or loss.

Anand Mundra

analyst
#56

Understood, sir. Now I understood. Sir, another question which I wanted to ask about exports. So you have given guidance for export for this financial year. This excludes the IKEA business which may start from January of next calendar year [indiscernible]?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#57

Correct. But the IKEA business, while, of course, is a very, very important, strategic association and in the coming times large, the relative contribution today in this year will be very small. It's just the beginning. And some meaningful contribution from that revenue definitely will be in the coming year, that is FY '27. Going forward, that size will definitely grow. We have made very strong investments. They are also looking Stove Kraft in a very strategic -- as a strategic supplier and also adding more -- within the cookware category, they are adding more SKUs to their order pipeline. But to answer your question on contribution from IKEA for this year, to the size of our exports, it is going to be very, very small.

Anand Mundra

analyst
#58

Understood. And for next year, it will be on a run rate basis, or it may gradually improve from FY '27 onwards?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#59

So from the first quarter, of course, because we have already started supplies in this year. From the next year, definitely, you will see -- it is a consistent supply year-round. And because we are adding some more SKUs, maybe that will start in the third quarter of next year. With those 2, there will be some meaningful contribution and full scope you can see from FY '28. Now, don't ask me the exact numbers, that will be very, very sensitive to say.

Operator

operator
#60

The next question is from the line of Naitik from NV Alpha.

Naitik Mutha

analyst
#61

Congrats on good set of numbers. Sir, I missed your comments on exports which you made earlier during the start of the call, like the impact of tariff, how will it be passed on and how we see exports growing. So if you could just throw some light on the same?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#62

Sir, you are talking about tariffs being passed on [indiscernible]?

Naitik Mutha

analyst
#63

Yes, both [indiscernible]

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#64

No, we don't incur any tariff. It is -- see, for us, all our sales are FOB, neither freight or tariff does impact us. It definitely makes us less competitive or more competitive if there are competing countries who have lesser tariffs or higher tariffs. For us, it does not affect us in any way in terms of margin. Our sales are all FOB. When I was mentioning about the tariff, we believe that this should get rationalized soon and there should be some stability on the tariff. And if there is a stability on the tariff, there are several developments that we have done, and that will start seeing business. At the moment, they are at pause. That's what I was trying to explain.

Naitik Mutha

analyst
#65

Got it. So sir, I understand this year we would probably fall a bit short because of the tariff impact in terms of export targets. But how do you -- what do you expect next year in terms of growth in exports for us once the tariff normalizes? And second part is, the IKEA business is largely non-U.S. or would it include U.S. also, the export orders that we have?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#66

So, of course, IKEA is present in the U.S. In case the tariffs continue at the level, they will -- they have 2 suppliers globally. And sure, if there is any advantage from other suppliers, they will want to share these quantities between the 2 suppliers based on the country where it is designed too. So, it is too fluid to discuss the outcome of the export business with the current situation. But if the -- there is stability in the tariff, the opportunity for us and the order book is very large. So, the minimum growth that we -- even if we continue for this year, if the tariff gets stabilized, we will continue with our guidance of 50% growth for the current year. And on the base of the current year, we'll again grow at 50% next year. That is the kind of plan that we have for exports. But if this tariff thing continues and there is no stability on the tariff, then there could be some disappointment on our exports.

Naitik Mutha

analyst
#67

Right. Got it, sir. And sir, you spoke about a couple of products that you will be adding in terms of exports. So if you could just give some color on what products have been developed for export specifically that you want to add in third quarter, I believe you mentioned?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#68

So, apart from enhancing the range in our cookware, there is a category of outdoor cooking for which we are completely tooled up. We are ready for manufacturing. There are some products we are already doing in outdoor, but there is a larger range that we have added. And we have already installed cast iron foundry. It is fully up and running. We also have a plan for the order. At the moment, because of this waiting for stabilization on tariff, it is at pause. Otherwise, these 3 categories are ready, but we are also working on more categories, enhancement on our cookware category, outdoor cooking and cast iron cookware.

Naitik Mutha

analyst
#69

Got it, sir. Got it. And sir, you mentioned next 2 quarters you expect a decent gross margin expansion. So, that is because of price hikes we have taken? Or what would it be [indiscernible]?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#70

Yes, yes. We have taken some price hikes. For some channels, there was a delay because of the festive season. So, the implementation is after the festive season. So we are confident of improving it by at least 0.5% for the overall revenue for the remaining part of the year.

Naitik Mutha

analyst
#71

Got it. And from next year, it will be about 39% then maybe?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#72

Our endeavor is to move a little further from there because, again, when we start doing it, it's not that it may get for the whole year. Ultimately, for the near term, we would want to get to 40%. This is our aspiration, of course.

Operator

operator
#73

The next question is from the line of Amit Agicha from HG Hawa.

Amit Agicha

analyst
#74

Congratulations for good set of numbers. Sir, I missed the number of stores which you segregated like region-wise. 296 are the total stores, you said west is 26 and east is 3. Can you just repeat for north and south?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#75

I can repeat the -- Of course, this is a sum of 301 stores. Maybe for the year ending, we were at 296. East, we have 3 stores; in the north, we have 67 stores; south, it's 205 stores, and the west is 26 stores.

Amit Agicha

analyst
#76

And sir, what are the target plans for increasing store count in 12, 24, 36 months? Like, the overall target is 500 stores reaching, right?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#77

For the year '27 -- 2027, we are confident to get to 500 stores. It does not mean that we will stop there. Then we will relook at the overall business. Of course, we are very, very positive about the retail business. Our current endeavor is to get to -- we are opening 25 to 30 stores every quarter, which should give us -- get us to 500 stores.

Amit Agicha

analyst
#78

And sir, last question is like connected to debt-equity. Right now, it is like 0.4. Like, any plans to reduce further? Like, what would be the capital allocation priority?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#79

So, we have a gross debt of about INR 180 crores. This includes the non-fund-based debt that we -- I mean, because it is calculated as debt for whatever the kind of [ LCs ] we would have provided to our suppliers. Both with accruals and with improvement in our working capital days, that is inventory control and with receivable, we are very confident that within the next 4 quarters, we should be debt free. The other accounting for the sake Ind AS because many of these things go through --

Amit Agicha

executive
#80

Lease capital...

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#81

Yes, lease liability, particularly our retail stores or some of our other assets which are leased. So, that below EBITDA item will remain. But the financing cost of money for the company will be 0 in the next 4 quarters.

Amit Agicha

analyst
#82

Sir, last question is what are the current number of employees?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#83

We are between 6,000 and 6,500. I can share you the exact number.

Operator

operator
#84

The next question is from the line of Lakshminarayanan Ganpati from Tunga Investments.

Lakshminarayanan K G

analyst
#85

I want to understand, there has been entry of a lot of brands in -- especially in cooker and cookware [indiscernible], burner, [ LPG ] is there and [indiscernible]. So, what does that mean for us? Is the market expanding, or the -- more players coming in for the lesser number of market expansion? How to think about it? That's my first question. Second question is that, you talked about cost-plus model. In your key product categories, how do you index your cost on -- who are the competitors you actually could benchmark yourself in terms of price increase as well as the decrease? These are my 2 questions.

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#86

The pressure cooker is a fundamental appliance for any kitchen in India. Every household would want to have a pressure cooker. With gas connections across the country, this -- with every household, this has become every household appliance. And it's also now that for ease of usage, there are multiple sizes of pressure cookers used by the same family. Having said that, we work -- we have these 3 advantages that is what is driving our growth. We are acquiring a lot of market share while the market is growing. We -- the advantage that the company has is, we have a very strong manufacturing facility which can control cost. We have a strong distribution network across the various channels that we have been discussing, so we are available. And of course, because the brand is -- we make a large number of products and satisfy customers are -- we are growing our number of customers every day, the brand is growing. With all these 3, we are able to make a difference between any new entrant, existing larger players. We are actually getting to leadership. But for value on volume, we believe we are already at leadership in the pressure cooker business, but it is not stopping. The opportunity in the pressure cooker is growing. You can also see in the last quarter, we continue to grow. There is a huge opportunity on premiumization in pressure cookers. That is other growth opportunity. And we believe that the pressure cooker, we are poised to lead in this country. On -- I mean, benchmarking any competition, we believe that these are our 3 strengths. We will continue to work on enhancing brand value for our consumer, add value to them, add value to our products. We will continue to work on being very, very affordable for our consumers. The larger consumer base in India will continue to be very cost conscious. So, we will continue to do that. And we will try and, I mean, keep on strengthening our distribution network, being -- as easily available to our consumers across the nook and corner of the country. Maybe we'll also look -- we are also exploring some geographical expansion beyond the country for our distribution, which is a work in progress. We will declare it in an appropriate time.

Lakshminarayanan K G

analyst
#87

Sir, if I just look at your various product segments, which segments are -- have the highest margin levels? Can you just stack rank it in terms of which are the highest and which are the lower?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#88

So, we are both agnostic on product category and on channels. Our margins are cost plus. Though we are a brand, we have a simple working arrangement where our product managers are compulsorily to mark up the margins that is aspired by the company. Then, the -- whether it is -- whichever product category it is or the channel, we are agnostic on the margin. So, all our products, apart from the exports that we do, for domestic [indiscernible], more or less they are in the same range.

Lakshminarayanan K G

analyst
#89

Sir, and if I just look at pricing in your online channel, which is your dominant channel, I see that for the similar product, there are -- you are actually cheaper by almost double-digit percentage. Now, why are you losing margins by such a big discount to some of the other players? Is it something which is conscious that you are happy to have this margin? Or do you think that after market capture, you would kind of bring this particular discounts down?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#90

So, there is an endeavor to work on our margins. I think if you will study our financials, in the last 3 years, we have moved from closer to -- while the design of the business was 35% gross margin, we have slipped down to 32.5%. We have got to 38.5%. We believe there is a scope to further improve. We will gradually do it. We will not want to miss out the [ moat ] of being the most affordable brand with the right quality and the distribution network that we want. We will not want to leave our position that we are there. We are considered as a value brand. We want to continue to hold that position, make it more stronger. It does not mean that we will not have healthy margins. I mean -- so, we do all these 3. We continuously work to bring our cost in control, and then -- so we are able to give the price at the price points that we give to our consumers. On your other question about the channel discounting, there are some periods in the year when the accumulated profits by these channels are ploughed back to give some discounts. This does not come from our margins. It is the margins that they provide for, during these very special periods. We try our best to manage the channel conflict, but sometimes it -- I mean, there are instances where you -- what you mentioned, there could be some difference.

Lakshminarayanan K G

analyst
#91

Sir, just last question. Sir, if you look at various parameters like sales growth, gross margin, EBITDA, then post Ind AS, pre IND AS as well as return ratios, as a company, what do you actually focus -- which is your single most focus? Is it sales or return ratios or the operating margins? Which is something you like to [indiscernible]

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#92

Ultimately -- see, while -- because we have been investing on our manufacturing for the last 4 years, that's why you see a little deterioration on our ROE and ROCE. Ultimately, it is to get to double-digit, or I can say, ultimately, it is to get to -- closer to 20% on these ratios. That is the objective of the company, which can then definitely keep all these parameters healthy. We are confident that the current margin, and as we grow and a little improvement on our gross margins, we'll be able to get there. We don't have to do substantial increase in our gross margins. Even with smaller 1 or 2 percentage change, with a little higher, healthier growth, we'll be able to get there. Yes, to answer your question, the ultimate target is to improve our ROCE and ROE. The company is working on that.

Operator

operator
#93

The next question is from the line of Nikhat Koor from Dolat Capital.

Nikhat Koor

analyst
#94

Congrats on a good set of numbers. Sir, can you provide some color on the south and non-south performance in quarter 2?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#95

See, [indiscernible] we are down there across all the channels. Definitely, we are still heavier on the south. We don't have the exact numbers. We can share with you the sales numbers of south and non-south. But now, as a company, more or less, we are at [ 40%, 60% ] now. We are 40% in the south and the rest of the country is 60%. And some -- we have to exclude the exports out of this. But we will share you the exact numbers.

Nikhat Koor

analyst
#96

Okay. And do we maintain our guidance of improving our EBITDA margins by 1 percentage point in this -- in FY '26?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#97

Yes, we are confident of improving 1% EBITDA by -- over last year.

Operator

operator
#98

The next question is from the line of Raman from Sequent Investments.

Raman Kerti

analyst
#99

Hello, sir. Can you hear me?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#100

Yes, yes, you're loud and clear.

Raman Kerti

analyst
#101

Sir, my question is mainly on the stores part. What's the CapEx per store?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#102

So, the overall investments, including inventory in the store, is about INR 18 lakhs to INR 20 lakhs. That includes lease rentals, deposits. There are some furniture fixtures and the inventory that we hold in the store. Our franchising model -- [indiscernible] hello?

Raman Kerti

analyst
#103

Sir, this is INR 18 lakhs to INR 20 lakhs, it's per store, right?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#104

You're right. But the -- all the stores, the incremental of 171 stores are -- I can say, even we are carving out from there also. So, all the incremental stores are on COFO model. And our COFO model where company owns the store but is managed by the franchisee, is to pay us a INR 15 lakhs nonrefundable -- refundable deposit and INR 2 lakhs of nonrefundable. So, this INR 17 lakhs actually funds all the cost that goes into the store, apart from the inventory generally, which we realized very soon. So, there is no cash outgo for our expansion for our retail stores.

Raman Kerti

analyst
#105

So, this INR 18 lakhs to INR 20 lakhs is for the COFO model, right?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#106

Irrespective of COFO or COCO, the total investment that goes into the store is between INR 18 lakhs to INR 20 lakhs. Of course we are moved -- compulsorily are moving to a COFO model. So, there is no cash outgo from the company.

Raman Kerti

analyst
#107

And sir, out of the current 296 stores, how many are company-owned, company-operated and how many are COFO?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#108

So, as of -- so I'll give you a number, that is for 301 now. I have it in front of me. So, COCO, we have 199 stores which are COCO and 29 stores on this COCO are moving to COFO. That is, we have finalized franchisees. I mean, there is a process of handing over to them. The remaining 62 stores are already operationally [ COFO ] and [ COCO ] are 40. So, this is a sum of 301 stores.

Raman Kerti

analyst
#109

So, you basically have 3 types of stores, one is COCO, another one is COFO, and another one is [indiscernible], right?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#110

You're right, sir. Yes. The focus is to move all these stores to COFO. Of course, there will be some franchisees who own their own stores, already they are landlords themselves. And if they want to be [ COFO ], we are okay with that. But the objective of the company is to have control on the real estate. So, we believe that the COFO model is the right one for us.

Raman Kerti

analyst
#111

And sir, my next question is, currently, our average store revenue per month is around INR 3.18 lakhs. So, what -- is there any initiative or plan to increase this average revenue going forward?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#112

Yes, yes. It's not INR 3.18 lakhs, it is INR 3.81 lakhs, and we are seeing gradual increase. There are also plans to have some exclusive products for these stores. We are working on that. And we are very confident, in the next, say, 6 to 12 quarters, we will cross the targeted INR 60 lakhs per store per annum. We are very confident.

Raman Kerti

analyst
#113

INR 60 lakhs per annum in the next --

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#114

Per store.

Raman Kerti

analyst
#115

In next 2 quarters?

Ramakrishna Pendyala

executive
#116

Sir, I will tell you, at 500 stores, we would want a revenue of INR 300 crores. It may not happen on the day we hit the 500 stores. The run rate at hitting the 500 stores, we have a plan to get to INR 300 crores revenue for the 500 stores.

Raman Kerti

analyst
#117

Understood, sir. And sir, I just want to understand, what is the margin difference with respect to operating this store versus selling your brand in other stores?

Ramakrishna Pendyala

executive
#118

So, it works differently. There are higher costs in managing your stores, and obviously, the margins that you pass on to the channel remains with you. At a little improvement on this INR 3.81 lakhs, closer to INR 4.25 lakhs will be at the company's EBITDA level, at the company itself. And at INR 5 lakhs per store per month, it will be -- if we are able to improve our current EBITDA, then it will be at that level. Otherwise, with the current level, it will be much better than the current EBITDA of the company.

Raman Kerti

analyst
#119

Understood. Understood, sir. Sir, my last question is currently, we did around -- in the first half if we see, the total revenue which we did in the first half is around INR 800 crores, INR 805 crores. How do you expect, now that there has been a GST rationalization and 35% of your portfolio has been shifted to the low -- to 5% bracket. So, how do you see your H2 to be turn out? And how was the October month for you?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#120

The post-Diwali run rate has been very strong compared to the previous year's post-Diwali run rate. We believe we will be almost at the same level for the H2 compared with what we are at H1. Of course, there is a strong period of sales during Diwali for H1, which will not be there. It may not be exactly at that level, but we are very close to that. I don't think there will be too much of a variation. Maybe between INR 25 crores, INR 30 crores variation between the H1 and H2, but there's not a very huge difference.

Operator

operator
#121

The next question is from the line of Ashwini Agarwal from Demeter Advisors.

Ashwini Agarwal

analyst
#122

Congratulations on very good numbers. I had just one accounting question. Notwithstanding that we've opened new stores, our right-of-use value has come down in the balance sheet on Slide 11, and the corresponding lease liability outstanding amounts have also come down. Why has that happened?

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#123

Yes. We have revalued the total lease liability. It is on introspection in the last quarter. And when we did –- see, we use -- all these retail stores are at -- we generally have a lease period of 9 years, but an option to exit is with us. So, we had actually capitalized the lease rental for 9 years. And of course, against that we were incurring both depreciation and interest, which has now, because we are doing a lease rental with all the stores for 3 plus 3 plus 3, so the revaluation of that lease assets is there. There is some small impact because of that.

Operator

operator
#124

Ladies and gentlemen, in the interest of time, that was the last question. I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for the closing comments.

Rajendra Gandhi

executive
#125

Thanks all of you for your patience and for listening. I hope I have addressed, or we have addressed all your questions. But if you have any further inquiries, please feel free to reach out to us directly or contact our investor relationship partner, MUFG Intime India Private Limited. We'll also share some data questions that we have missed to immediately share it with you, to the participants who had asked them. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#126

On behalf of Stove Kraft Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.

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