Straker Limited (STG) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 31, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Grant Straker
executiveGood afternoon or good morning, everybody, and welcome to this full year presentation update. Today, you have myself, Grant Straker, the Co-Founder and CEO; and David Ingram, our Chief Financial Officer. So look, we're going to try and keep this reasonably shortened, sort of 20, 25 minutes, and then move on to the Q&A straight after that. But if you have any questions along the way, please feel free to use the Q&A function on Zoom, and we see some questions as we go through it, we will try and answer them. But ideally we'll review them at the end of the session. So first of all, I just want to talk a little bit about market opportunity alignment. So this is really just saying that the market right now is actually aligning to our value proposition, where we're starting to get a really good fit for our technology, years of technology that we've built and where the market is going. We were the original pioneers of productivity-based translation, and that is all based around the fact that AI will advance and humans will become more productive. And so our systems are actually very aligned to where the world is heading at the moment in terms of technology. But also, we're in the right part of the industry. It's a significant industry, and when you look at all the data, it's saying that the bigger getting bigger, and it's much harder, everybody always says it's way to have an industry where there's 20,000 small [ language ] industry types and 1 that's getting an avalanche of technology coming through. So this is starting to again also impact the opportunities in terms of bringing more on board. And so us being in that top 100 is quite critical. And we also -- we have the ability to deliver secure AI-enhanced human-in-the-loop platform at Straker. So I'll talk a little bit about that as we go through. So just some of the highlights from the year. So when I look at these highlights, I do believe the team have done a great job of adjusting the direction of travelers, the global economies sort of hit some headwinds. And you can see that 1 of the first big focuses that we had was on free cash. And so you can see that starting to come through, particularly in H2. A lot of the decisions we made in H1 came to pay off in H2. Second thing is around profit. So our business model is generating profit, which has flown on to that cash. Gross margins, record gross margins. So again, our technology is starting to play its part -- who has been a great believer that gross margins are the single best way to influence your cash position after having a really efficient OpEx line. Look, our cash balance is very strong. So we're in a great position to both invest in technology and also look at how we might use that cash down the track in terms of things like acquisitions at some point. Significantly, reduced OpEx. So compared to H1, so H2, we really started to see some of that work that we did around streamlining and making the business more efficient. Our revenue up 6%. Obviously, we had a very strong H1. Overall, the global economy started to play an impact. The global economic trends started to play an impact in the second half. But despite that, we have got some growth in there. And so fundamentally we're cash generating stable revenue, and we're investing in new and significant opportunities to really look to grow that revenue. And as that grows, we would hope that, that would start to really deliver some strong cash to the bottom line. So efficiency improvements. I'll just talk about them. Now we talked about them at our 4C, but you can see that we've significantly reduced our OpEx, started running efficiency programs right through from Q2 when we thought that global conditions would worsen. It is worth saying that ultimately, a lot of our revenue, whilst it's underpinned by technology, that technology enables the service. And when we have lots of customers that just actually do a lot less and these sorts of downturns, it has an effect. So in the same way that when it comes back and we saw this in COVID, when everything comes back and these customers get busy again, we see a real big flow through. And I guess that correlation of the 2 is that -- once we get flowback, but we've streamlined the business very effectively, then again, you'll start to see us delivering some really good outcomes in terms of EBITDA. Again, just to reiterate that this is an industry that has 20,000 small players, and there is an avalanche of technology coming down the pipe created by companies like Straker that I don't believe that these companies can withstand just the sheer volume of innovation and technology that is going to start to really change the way in which customers make decisions around who they use as vendors. And I don't believe that they will be choosing a small, localized player. They're going to be choosing a global top 100-type player as their solution provider because they're going to want to access all of this technology. And to do that, you need to have innovation and you need to be investing in R&D in the way that we are. Just to go back on another slide. Again, it was on the 4C. It was only a few weeks ago, but I will just say that the market for us is actually forecast to be a growth market, okay? So it's going through, again, a bit of a transition at the moment as everybody figures out exactly what -- where the opportunities are in here. But for us, this is the area that we focus on, the human and machine, and enhanced machine translation, and we see this as being something that, again, it's going to start to really get some legs now that we can see customers have had their eyes open to the way that AI can provide efficiencies in the translation process. So again, it's just pointing to the fact for us that AI is something that can enhance our business model and enhance our growth opportunities as the market starts to become more and more aware and look for these solutions. And we are seeing that out there. We do believe that there are many customers looking out and going what solution is the right 1 for us that can give us all these benefits, but also give us all of the other things that we need around process and security, et cetera. The AI market opportunity. So we see it, as I just said, it's been something that really is going to enhance our opportunities for growth. Now if there's anything that could take us from sort of around $60 million to, say, $600 million, they get a number. It is this opportunity that we have in front of us. And I'll just talk a little bit about that now. Now one of our core jobs is validating things that machines can't do. We're making humans more productive because machines are generating content. We're validating that content. We're doing it in a secure way. We've got technology that speeds up as you'll see in the demo that we'll do in a bit, it speeds up this process. And it needs to be done in a secure human in the loop. So you need secured technology and you need a secured pool and a validated pool of humans. So this is all the stuff that we have right now out of the box. So there are predictions. And again, these numbers are hard to get a definitive on because they are purely predictions. But there are people saying 90% of online content will be produced using generative AI. And I'd have to say that that's possibly a realistic prediction. So with all of this content being generated, only 10% at the moment is translated. So that's our sort of pull, so this is just the online market. That's our pool of opportunity. But what's happening now is that it's potentially increased our market size and opportunity very significantly because we are seeing that customers don't just want translated content validated. They want generated AI content validated because it doesn't -- it's not factual. It elucidates. There's all sorts of other issues around that technology stack. And that will be the same for whatever language they generated in. So we now have a stack of tools that are capable of really servicing this market. And it's probably not what you'll see so much in the demo today, but I do believe the half year, you'll really start to see some of the technology that we have been working on that's going to open up this huge opportunity that we have in front of us. And this wasn't something that we had 12 months ago because the customers weren't looking for it and they weren't quite aware of it. Now that they are, we feel this is a really huge market opportunity for us going forward. Again, I just want to talk a little bit about the difference between acquisitive and organic growth. See -- this has been a tricky industry. People have really locked into trusting providers, and they haven't gone out of their way to look for new technologies -- providers, because they've just got very secure, and that's not been enough of the OpEx for them to sort of go out and look. But now we're starting to see them go. Am I missing a trick here, I need to find a provider that's got AI-enabled solutions. So because it was hard, we pursued an acquisition strategy, and then we were looking at to get those consolidation benefits. With customers now actively looking, we believe that there's a real cost-effective organic strategy that we can put in play. So it does take a little bit longer with the organic strategy because you have to start building up to that. And hence, we don't see it sort of kick it out until further through the year, but we are starting to see those opportunities come to the fore. So the organic for us is to embed deeply into these vertical channels, things like legal or medical, get our technology out there in the enterprise, start showing what we've done for other enterprises. And as customers are looking, we have had more and more success with RFPs, for example. So we are starting to see that as being something that is coming up as people start to look at what they're going to do. So it doesn't write off the fact that later this year, especially if we're generating cash that we may look at an acquisition because we think there may be some very attractive, very well-priced opportunities for us to accelerate some of that growth as the year goes on. But at the moment, this is where we've got our focus in our R&D and on these organic channels. So -- again, just to talk about where are we in the process of what customers are looking for. Where we sit is in what we call the language cloud solution, so that is the sort of solution that we've provided to IBM. So it's a holistic solution that covers off technology, integration, the services layer, account management, a whole bunch of areas. AI integration, for example. So -- and workplace apps. So making it very easy for customers to access this language. People ultimately don't want to log in to another app that helps manage translations. They just want it to be part of their overall workflow. And that's where we've been focused on going to where the customer is and making it very easy for them to access our services and to manage them without needing to go up into third-party systems because we've all got too many apps as it is. And part of that we'll be bringing in our platform-as-a-service offering, which is going live on July 1. Security is another huge part of the language cloud. We will know that the conversation around large language models, for example, and security around them and the index [ in a ] content. So we have the ability to offer secure in-house large language models for customers and so they can get all the efficiencies out of the AI without any of the security risk. And that's the same for the human-in-the-loop secure process that we already have in place. So those 2 combined, it's a very strong offering that we believe enterprise customers, in particular, will be looking for as this whole large language model industry sort of evolves. So, and the other thing is, you've got to be powerful to get these enterprise customers, you've got to have deep integration, you've got to be able to scale, you've got to have thousands of humans that are validated. So we already have all of that scale in place, and the ability to do -- I think it's more than 150 languages actually currently that we can do. So it's very -- again, Easy, Secure, Powerful is where we see the main pain points for customers that we can solve for them. So again, this is just trying to bring some context to that language cloud, which is to say that you have large translation management systems or technology vendors. You've got your larger language service providers, we're focused on delivery of the service, language cloud where we -- in between all of that, and so you've got to be big enough. You've got to be -- have the technology, but you've also got to have the services layer to be able to deliver. And that is our market category, which we feel is where the market is aligning at the moment as technology evolves. And again, if you're at 1 of these 20,000 vendors under $10 million, I mean, that represents itself something like a $40 billion market opportunity. And that -- that has been talked about for a long time. And it's definitely in play right now that these smaller companies who have got regional relationships to the global corporate, that global corporate is now going to try and -- we certainly feel that -- we'll look for our language cloud-type solution. And so a lot of that revenue is going to start shifting into this space. And so that's a significant opportunity for us and for investors. So now I'm going to go to the Demo. So I'm just going to stop sharing my screen. And I'd like to introduce you to Richard White, who is our Head of Product. And his job is to productize everything we do, make us a product-led company, particularly in the age of generative AI and all the opportunities that we have. And so just to say, we had a bit of debate yesterday where we're going to do a prerecorded where we're going to do bits a video. I don't really believe in that. It's possibly by military training, but I just believe if you're going to do something, you do it live, you have pressure in there, and you don't -- and you get it right because that's how you actually go out. So it's all going to be live. And my pleasure.
Unknown Executive
executiveAbsolutely, all live, all real. I'll take over the screen here.
Grant Straker
executiveI'll just stop sharing, and you should be able to share your screen now, right?
Unknown Executive
executiveOn the way. And everyone should be able to see that. So hi, everyone. Yes, as Grant mentioned, the core component of our strategy is being where our customers work. We don't just want to be another portal. So what we've done is build out some of the core workflows for our customers directly into Slack and Teams. That's what you're seeing on the screen here, and I'll take you through our work frozen Slack. So one of the core jobs of our customers day to day is the uploading and the receivable of transloader files. So that's the first work probably showing you here today. So we've got natural language built into the app as well as a command based system. So I can upload new file to lock a new translation job. And what are we doing today is I'll actually be translating our quarterly activities report. So we're commenting here and I can scroll down, get the file. And then source language, of course, being English. And today, I'll translate into German. So we'll have German here and few clicks of a button. I can also select what service I want, if I want just translation or translation and edit layer as well for an extra level of security and validity. And once I had submit here, this is really what's kicking off the workflow. So this kicks off the workflow whereby a quote was created, it's assigned to a vendor. And as that file is being translated by that vendor, it's going to come here back into Slack. So we can see here, my files are ready for download. And the file, this is 1 that we prepared earlier. This is the file here. So you can see it's all translated into German, and the customer has been able to do that without kind of leaving their environment. So that being the first 1 really looking to save time and remove friction in the process. Second 1 is -- second workflow we've built out, rather, is the job update workflow. So again, natural language. So I can easily get a view of all the jobs that I've got in progress. I've got 6 in progress at the moment. And again, this is -- we are hearing from customers that they wanted to stay in the port, where not have to stay in their workplace as not have to move between portals. I can look at and go a bit deeper here. Look at the jobs that I've accepted in this case, they're only in the last 24 hours, but all of my jobs in progress, I'll have a bigger view of those, and there's got a number of those in various different statuses and I can go a little deeper if I need to. And that's really where, as we continue to build this out and save time for our customers and remove friction. We do want to be -- well, we will be engaging directly with them to further iterate and make sure we're getting a speed of release going out the door. So the second section of releases that I want to touch on today are our AI enhancements. So these are really geared, as Grant said, towards productivity. So I'll come back in here and I'll actually use the command line for this one. And we can see here back to these in-progress jobs, I can see here that 2 of my jobs are product to be on time and then a couple have been flagged as caution. So the goal here is that we're allowing users to have a better visibility and view of deliverability and so that they can manage to translation projects and product more effectively. And that's based off a predictive model that we've built off our decades of data and we have used our underlying data as an asset to improve our products for our customers. Second AI initiative that we've worked on -- sits directly into our work bench. So work bench is where our translators live. That's where they do all of the translations from the source language, in this case, being German, into the target language being English. So we're adding in a Straker AI field here. And the goal of this has been to make our translators faster and to help to reduce the turnaround time so that we're getting -- we're completing jobs, we're getting files back faster to our customers. Now again, this is a live demo, and we're training this model. So we will might get some interesting answers here, but we're rephrasing the content here. So you can see from the original, we can rephrase and this helps the translator to get a better idea of what they want to be saying and generate some options. We can also go a more formal time -- shortening, making it more creative as we can see here, as we can see here. And this is the beauty of this is it's going to as we have more people learning and more translators using it, we're going to have better outcomes and we -- the model is going to learn about. So this is what we've got to demo today. And as Grant mentioned, really exciting time for us moving forward and all the opportunities that these AI enhancements have unlocked for us.
Grant Straker
executiveGreat. Thank you very much, Richard, and excellent. I told you, we do it with a bit of a large GMO. We always get it right. Okay. Let me go back to my -- okay. So now I'm going to hand over to David Ingram, our Chief Financial Officer, who is going to take you through the main financial reports for the full year.
David Ingram
executiveHi, everybody. Look, I'll give you a bit more color on the financials. So firstly, the income statement. Revenue, this was 6% up on the prior year to $59.4 million. We had a very strong first half, but revenue in the second half was impacted by macroeconomic conditions. APAC had a strong year, growing 10% but Europe and North America were the regions most impacted by the economic conditions with customers, particularly the enterprise customers reducing their budgets. Europe did have 18% growth, and this was helped by a full year of IDEST, our acquisition that we did the prior year -- late in the prior year. North America declined 6%, but had a solid year in subscriptions, growing this 15%. Further to the positive, we had no significant client losses, and we continue to pick up some good client wins. Gross margins showed a large improvement. We increased from 54% last year to 57% this year. The margin improvement was helped by product improvements, increased automation, price increases and acquisition synergies. Adjusted EBITDA improved from $0.2 million to $1.4 million for the year, with Q4 achieved a profit of $1 million as cost-saving actions taken in Q3 took effect. As part of our restructuring in Q3 reduced -- we reduced headcount and associated salary costs by approximately 15%. The restructuring reflected synergies in our recent acquisitions and rightsizing the business in light of the economic times. It's important to note that we continued our level of investment in R&D as we continue our product strategy. On to the balance sheet. So look, we've got a very healthy balance sheet. There's not too much to say about it. One thing I would point out is the accounts receivable that they were down. And this reflects both improved cash collections and a drop in sales in H2. Our cash balance sits at $12.5 million, and we have no debt. On to the cash flow. This was a big improvement on the prior year. So operating cash flow was positive $2 million for the second half, and $1.4 million for the year. We met our goal of being free cash flow positive in the second half being $1 million positive. So free cash flow is our operating [indiscernible]. Our production and costs and the strong collections were drivers in the performance. Our $1.7 million was paid on earn-outs during the year to our prior acquisitions. So we're always pleased when we pay out earnouts and that the acquisitions are performing. And I'll pass it back to Grant.
Grant Straker
executiveOkay. Thank you, David. Right. So just moving along, a couple of more slides and we'll get into the Q&A. So look, just in terms of a high-level strategy, just so that people understand like where we spend our R&D and what we'll look at it. So we have 2 buckets, I guess, that we work on. One is maximizing the existing business. So this is everything around how do we become more profitable? What do we do with our existing customer base to really get optimal outcomes? So we did focus on efficiency. We look at pricing as inflation [ enhancement ]. Looking at alternative models around our Platform-as-a-Service offering, basically moving more of our revenue into a SaaS-based type platform, winning more of existing customers, increasing our matches. So all these things are helping to maximize. And so we have a team focused on that. And then we have growth initiatives. So again, you can look at Slack or Teams, for example, we're investing in R&D. And I mentioned that, we're going to get from $60 million to a much bigger number. Then -- the way to do that is to get the network effect for these channels, right? So -- and to get into the enterprise customers, I think Slack has 200,000 customers on Slack, sort of corporate customers and Teams. I wouldn't know what Microsoft out, but that's going to be in the millions, right? So -- we can get in a network effect from the strong partnerships we have with these guys. And I think that's the channel, and then you've got the technology to flow on from there. And again, that's sort of similar. But for vertical markets, if you look at the legal space, in the medical space, these people are also on things like Teams and Slack. And so you're suddenly giving them an opportunity to get some of that growth. Media is still a strong focus for us in that corporate media space. I mentioned earlier the AI validation opportunities. That's something that we do see is significant and a platform that we already have -- that can be used. And then also things like an intelligence platform, which is standard-use AI to give insights into their content the way that people are working with it. So we've got all these growth initiatives going on, and we always want a number of them. Obviously, again, there's also the opportunity that we may make some strategic acquisitions later in the year once we see how that sort of dust settles on the current round of sort of technology impact. And just some key takeaways really. So again, you just meet Richard, but we'll have PaaS base live end of Q1. So already being used by customers and we're starting to get some feedback from some test customers. And so again, we'll get that out on July 1. And actually just on the PaaS, a big lot of the work that we've done is around things like the billing and the invoicing and the streamlining and the integration with Slack and all the technology that needs to happen in the background or in Teams just taken -- it does take a long time. That sets the base for when you start to really add all the cream on that we know that the customers are looking for. So again, focus on enhanced R&D. -- 1 to win customers and 2 add productivity benefits. We're a stable free cash flow generating company. So again, we're in a reasonable position to really look at how we take advantage of these changes. Organic over acquisitive as our initial aim as we enter into FY '24. We've got significantly improved operating efficiency. So again, if we start to get growth come through, we start to see new initiatives within -- and at the same time, we get start to getting some economic tailwinds rather than the headwinds that we all battle at the moment, then that should really start to change our profitability model. And then we'll look at our revenue growth. And again, we are focused on that. It's an interesting space, and I'll talk about a little bit on the outlook. So -- yes. So just to move the outlook that we expect. Modest revenue growth that will be both cash flow and EBITDA positive for the fiscal year. So that's our -- that's where we're sitting right now in 6 months' time. We may put out -- have a different view as we've got some of these products out the door as we're starting to see acquisition opportunities, for example, start to come to the fore. So at the moment, that's where we see it. We don't want to overpromise anything. It's still a dynamic sort of environment, but we are very optimistic around our opportunities going into this financial year. So that's -- if I just stop there, I think we've already got some Q&A.
Grant Straker
executiveSo let me just go through some of these at the moment. There was volatility in FX during the period. What percentage of your contracts are USD denominated and what impact that just have on the results? I can let David will...
David Ingram
executiveYes. Yes, I can answer that. So 16% of our contracts are in USD. On the operating profit performance was actually a negative 1.5% impact because of the FX changes.
Grant Straker
executiveSo -- and the way to look at that is, ultimately, we have a natural hedge. We should pay a lot of our suppliers in USD as well. So we have customers around the world and suppliers around the world. So there is a natural hedge on FX mix. Next question, how many language translation apps are on the Microsoft Teams and Slack? Do we see reductions in operating costs in the coming year? And what gross margin should we expect? That's like 3 questions in one. So, I mean there are other apps, again, what we're trying to do is build the best in breed. We're not trying to build 1 that just gives you notifications. We're building 1 that does everything. And that takes a lot more work. And so both of our apps at the moment are going through the approval process, which does take a couple of months. It's getting near the end of that process, and we work backwards and forwards on all security settings and everything else. So -- again, they -- once they're live and out and pushing it then that's why we've got this July 1st target date for our platform. Operating costs, we're always looking at it. We do see opportunities around that in the way that we do things. And so we will be focused on it. There has been a change in the way that people work. People don't go in our offices around the world so much. So we might drop some of those leases and look at different ways in which we can work with the team. There's those sorts of things that could still flow through. Gross margins, we expect gross margins to stay strong. I don't think we've specific number that we've put out -- maybe not. But we expect them to stay strong. And obviously, you've seen some of the technology that's aimed at improving translator productivity as that flows through, obviously, we've got -- we can use it to win more customer base or we can use it to increase our margins. So why can't larger competitors like RWS also integrate into superapps? Well, I mean anybody can integrate into them. The trick is we have been doing this for over 12 months working on how we do this. And we believe our technology is exactly the right level for those types of apps. It's not easy to have. We've worked on our cloud type solution for a while. And people can integrate in, as I said, do a simple solution, doing a holistic, powerful solution that actually allows them to do everything they need to inside of Slack isn't so easy. And also, there's a lot of like translation management systems out there where their unique value proposition is look at how cool my portal is or look at how cool my app is and look at all the widgets I have. That's not ours. Ours is, you don't need to do that at all. You can get all of that functionality and more and have a lot of it actually removed because it's not needed in this process and do it in Slack and Teams. And so -- we feel we engage with customers, that's far more what they want to do rather than having another app and another one, they've got to try and have the security area where Slack and Teams is already inside the secure environment. So that's where we see that. One from Michael Ben. P&L has been well protected, proactive reduction in OpEx, 2 questions. Why was the business carry an excessive cost to begin with? To what extent was the OpEx reduction resulted in [ capital beyond ] just the fact but [indiscernible] of the organization. So I'll start on 2 then. So again, we've kept all of our R&D. So that hasn't cut into that at all. And while we -- so we've made lots of acquisitions over the years. And so -- when we do that, we do end up with doubled up resources. And most acquisitions sort of take a couple of years for the earnouts, for example. So it's very hard to restructure part of the team when that's going on in these organizations because you need that subject knowledge, you need the customer knowledge and as that transitions over time and some of the functions are integrated into the global group, you don't need all of those stuff. So that's part of it. Another part was we had some really rapid growth when we onboarded IBM. So we were having to have recruiters, for example. We were the only tech company that did this, right? But you needed more an HR to help manage the onboarding, then recruiting and those stuff who needed us, things started to level out and you'd onboard them. So there was a range of functions like that. So it didn't eat into our IP at all. Yes. Okay, 1 from Philip Norman. Hi, Philip, previous Chairman. Can you update on the IBM relationship, in particular, whether the volumes of business volume grew in FY '23? So there wasn't -- so in FY '23, IBM volumes were very high in the first half. I think everybody saw what they did and then sort of leveled out in the second half. So -- at the moment they're very steady. Again, we've resigned with IBM, and we have a couple of -- for another 3 years, and we've got a couple of initiatives going on right now around some areas of the IBM business that we see as being a great opportunity. So it's very strong. Again, like everything, if you go back to the middle of last year, IBM like all the big tech companies started to reduce like we did -- started to reduce OpEx and there just wasn't that same flow-through of new projects, maybe it just grew a lot of that revenue in the first half. So I've got a few questions down here. So I'll just jump through. So we've got Laurie. What does Straker differ to other top 100 competitors? So again, we feel that we're at the right size. If you get that top 100 and you get in, say, the top 20, very large, less nimble, some of them where they locked into legacy ways of working with their customers. We feel that we're -- we're the right size, but we could also deliver everything for a company the size of IBM, which means we can do it for anybody. And we have built our technology platform from scratch. So we own our technology platform. And as things like [indiscernible], we're able to work on our own platform. These larger companies are less nimble. They're a much bigger shift to churn. It's not so easy. So we believe we sit in exactly the right space of being large enough to deliver for any global size company, but also nimble enough to take advantage of the technology. So I've got 1 here from George. The Straker offer a free trial period for customers to trial the technology to get more customers. That's exactly the sort of thing that you will start to see come out on our past Platform-as-a-Service offering. So again, we'll update. We'll do some investor mail outs as that starts to get to release so that people can start to see how that process will work. So just 1 from Gareth. You've seen any changes in the general macro environment that led to some weakness in the second half? Any general comments on how the industry growth could look in the coming financial year. Yes. I guess it's sort of area by area. So we're seeing the U.S. is a strong market. We think the U.S. economy is very strong. We think Europe is certainly in some headwinds. And whether that's just a hangover from sort of the war or general economic conditions. So again, we see Asia-Pac being really strong. So different areas we see, Gareth. I think the biggest change will actually come from the mindset of customers who suddenly see all of the AI-enabled technology and want to go to a provider like that. That's going to be a much bigger driver than the macro environment. And again, we're just going to get into Q2 where we start to release some of the products that start to really show customers how that would work for them. Industry growth is very hard to say in the coming financial year, I think. I think that, as I said, the top 100 are going to be in a better position as technology comes and I think that -- you've got to get through a cycle of these RFPs and if people going through their contractor cycle as they come up for renewal. So often master services agreements in place for 2, 3 years as they start to come up for renewal, I think there's going to be some big opportunities come through around technology-enabled services. So look, that's 40 minutes. I think we've got through a whole bunch there. Look, it's been great to have you along. Recording will come up on this. As always, if you want to talk to myself or to David, please reach out. We will be in Australia next week for a couple of days on a roadshow. So just as I say, reach out, happy if we've got time slots to meet investors. And yes, thank you very much for the support, and look forward to reporting at the half year. Thank you very much.
David Ingram
executiveThank you.
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OptionsBell: an unusual options activity scanner that tracks options flow across all US stocks and emails you when large trades appear in Straker Limited or any ticker on your watchlist.
StockMarketScan: a stock screener with alerts: 24 pre-built screens refreshed every 5 minutes, watchlists and email notifications. Both offer API and MCP access and fair monthly pricing.