Super Micro Computer, Inc. (SMCI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 11, 2025

NASDAQ US Information Technology Technology Hardware, Storage and Peripherals conference_presentation 24 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#1

It's still good morning, everybody. Welcome to the KeyBanc Technology Leadership Forum. My name is Brandon Nispel. I cover IT hardware among many other sectors for KeyBanc. Thanks all for being here. This is a 25-minute fireside chat. We have Michael Staiger, Senior Vice President of Corporate Development with Super Micro. Michael, thank you for being here.

Michael Staiger

executive
#2

Hey, thanks for having us. Thank you to KeyBanc, and thank you for your coverage. I just want to like highlight. Please refer to our website regarding cautionary statements, regarding forward-looking statements, the standard legal disclaimer.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#3

Well done. Let's just start. You guys reported earnings last week. Why don't you give us a quick recap of the fourth quarter?

Michael Staiger

executive
#4

Well, I mean, without getting into too many details, we think we had a pretty good quarter. We're within range. We grew -- for the full year, we grew 47%. We have lots of new customers coming into the fold. We talked about where we grew one customer to scale customer in '24, four in '25, and we expect to add two to four more in fiscal '26.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#5

Got it. One of the things that's come up, and I think it's sort of unclear what exactly is, but a lot of answers to the questions was around Datacenter Building Block Solutions, right? Can you help us understand what that is for Super Micro?

Michael Staiger

executive
#6

Yes. From that perspective, you really have to take a look at what's going on in the industry, what's happening. AI is obviously on everyone's minds. Everyone's hearing about hyperscaler CapEx, and hyperscalers are like building out like crazy, building out like mad. We have a whole host of customers that are following suit neocloud, sovereigns and enterprises, right? So from that perspective, the hyperscalers have the manpower, the staff internally to develop systems across the -- for the full scale to offer these services. Many customers don't have that capability. So we're moving beyond just supplying the system or the rack to the customer to the full suite of solutions for the customer so that they can get up and running in fast time, so they can offer the services to those customers. And those customers on the DCBBS, whether it's retrofitting air cooled to liquid for a data center that might not be ready and adding different componentry, different services, integration services, support, cabling and get full suites because those customers don't have those capabilities. And we're providing them for them as opposed to just being in a competitive situation where it's rack to rack, where there's a lot of noise on that front where some of the larger customers are just trying to build as fast as they can, get me as many racks as you can. And like I said, these are the customers like, can you please help us get those racks on the floor?

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#7

You sort of alluded to it, but how does this different sort of change how you guys operate and do business? Is this a big strategic lift? Or is it sort of a little bit more simple from an operational standpoint?

Michael Staiger

executive
#8

I wouldn't call it a big lift. What I would call it is that we've always been focused on performance, density, systems design, engineering, et cetera, and getting the best -- lowest cost per compute, per watt for a customer. It just happens to be in our DNA, so innovating on a platform. And as we move forward, these platforms are getting more complicated. So our ability to innovate and scale those innovations is starting to expand, is expanding. And so from a competitive perspective, our focus is innovation. So we're a serial innovator. So if you think forward, what will things look like. There's some announcements today about the RTX 6000 for inference, right? So the market is focused on the AI platforms, like language models are getting built out. Like if you think about the context windows, they're too small, right? So as they expand, the training models are going to get bigger. But at the same time, you'll have more users on the inferencing side. So we look at it in a holistic approach where we will deliver the best, most complete training platform, if you want to call it, with our partners. And at the same time, we'll have innovation that goes around that on the inferencing side. So we have a full set of solutions for the customer to optimize for the application. Those applications are starting to expand in use. And we heard this morning at your conference, a couple of users where one or two could peg one of the services by running a couple of models. Like that much capacity by one user like gives you an idea that the core AI systems are not built out yet or the training models aren't built out yet. There's a whole ecosystem, and we're focused on building that ecosystem.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#9

Can you talk about sort of the higher value-add services within -- what is it? DB...

Michael Staiger

executive
#10

DCBBS.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#11

DCBBS. Thank you. Like software services, how do you sort of implement more higher value-added services? And then talk, we've been there, how you expect that to translate into like gross margins, profitability for you guys?

Michael Staiger

executive
#12

So from our perspective, like I said, as we look at a customer and the customer is focused on trying to get up and running, we are trying to put together the pieces that they need so that they can -- don't have to rely on multiple vendors to bring that data center up. So it's a complete suite for the data center. In many instances, we're working with other ISVs like take storage, for example, and we'll do a special purpose-built back end, whether it's flash-based or a disk-based storage system with the partner. And if we can deliver that at the same time with the platform itself, along with some of the cooling elements, whether it's a sidecar, whether it's the rear door heat exchange, et cetera. Whatever that customer needs, we'll put that on the floor for them in record time and encapsulate services on that, so ongoing support. So when we do that, we won't be in a position where it's rack for rack pricing competition. So that will lift our margins up to the ranges that we talked about in the longer term.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#13

Got it. Let's talk about revenue growth. Super Micro has been I think an industry leader, outpacing the industry from a growth standpoint. Just help us unpack sort of where you think you are from a market share standpoint, how you've grown over the years and ultimately taken market share.

Michael Staiger

executive
#14

So if you look at the historical element there, about $3.5 billion in '21 to $5.2 billion to $7.2 billion to $15 billion to $22 billion, and then we guided to $33 billion. Clearly, there's something there that is a huge value. Like the growth rates are strong because we're innovating for the customers. We're delivering the best platform for those customers, and we're giving the best cost per compute per watt. And then the extension of that will be to wrap around not just the core of that, but we'll wrap around more product into that and continue to expand our growth. We feel like we're at early stages. And on a comparative basis, what we're doing is innovation as opposed to like can you just deliver a rack to us, and people are trying to be fast followers. Those innovations and the generations in our partners' product sets, which keep changing year-to-year. We're staying in pace with that. We have the capability of delivering it. We design -- we do the design, we do the engineering, we do the manufacturing. All these are in-house. We control all these elements, right? So we're able to flex faster. Not only that, but the learnings from the prior platform will bring them to the next platform. And so people are focused on the reference architectures from our partners, but we're focused on not just the reference architecture, making that work the best, but we're focused on the reference architecture, how can we take the reference architecture and advance it, so it benefits our customer, so that we have a differentiated product, so that we carry that product forward. So it's kind of right now, we're in a land and expand kind of mode, and we've proven our metal. And by the fact that we've had large-scale customers that are relying on us for very important builds as we move forward, the enterprises and the smaller customers like, wait a minute, Super Micro has these capabilities, and I know some of the other players out there aren't innovating. So I can get the best solution and the best for the application that I want to deploy, so I get the best bang for my buck and deliver to my end customers. So we're trying to help our customers do that, and it all comes around serial innovation, being at the forefront and controlling all these elements and keeping them in-house. So I think if you look at it that way and you look long term, we could potentially be like the largest supplier in the industry, and that's the long-term goal of our CEO, Founder.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#15

Got it. You alluded to it, the company recently guided to greater than $33 billion in revenue in fiscal '26. It's over a 50% growth rate, an acceleration year-over-year. Can you help us understand sort of what you guys are seeing and what data points you can share that can help us get some confidence in that growth reacceleration?

Michael Staiger

executive
#16

So I think the historical pattern of what we've done is like should give people confidence that like the growth is there, right? The second element of that is if we had one scale customer in '24, now we have four in '25. We said that there would be -- we expect those customers to grow with us into '26, and two to four more would come into the fold at least in 2026. So that gives you the framework of like the expanse of what we're doing. So that's a pretty good understanding without being like Wall Street specific of like who, what, why and when. So we feel pretty confident that at least $33 billion is a great number and an indication of what we're growing.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#17

So help me bridge from a modeling standpoint because you also guided to your fiscal first quarter '26, this is about 10% growth at the midpoint. Is this a steer function higher throughout the year? Should we just step it up right away in 2Q? How do you want to just think about like that?

Michael Staiger

executive
#18

So we didn't provide any specific linearity with respect to like how the Street would model the '26. What I can say is that with new customers coming into the fold, with the fact that we have neoclouds that are more, that are emerging, the fact that sovereigns are emerging, those builds and then parse that back with supply, timing, bill, et cetera. If they all come in at the same time, the numbers could move faster. So it's a timing element. And so when we think about our business, obviously, we have to guide to the quarters from a Street perspective, but we really think about it in terms of like long term and the visibility that we have with the markets. And so at least $33 billion. So how that works out remains to be seen. You've seen variance in the quarter-to-quarter. Larger customers have a greater impact on things moving around. We talked about where we had a new scale customer or potential scale customer come back to us and say, "Hey, look, we need to re-architect this design to fit this one particular data center", which kind of altered the flow of revenues in the prior quarter. So those things can flex the business model, makes it a little bit of a challenge. But if you think more along the lines of like where is the long-term direction going of, one, the industry; two, the fact that we're like the leading technology innovators in that industry, where we will be in '26, '27, '28 is going to be in a different place than it is today. I think it will be a much, much larger.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#19

Sovereign seems like maybe the biggest incremental opportunity because you have some neoclouds as customers today. How do you sort of characterize what the demand outlook or opportunity is around sovereign? And you did announce a deal for up to $20 billion for DataVolt. Help us understand sort of what the sovereign opportunity is.

Michael Staiger

executive
#20

Well, as we've indicated in the past, we had numerous entities approaching us. So if you think about that customer set and what they're trying to do intercountry to leverage AI to be more efficient, whether it's at the government level or through their -- whatever industries they own, whether it's telecom, they've been coming to us. And when they take a look at Super Micro, they're not looking at Super Micro like how many racks can you give me today, right? They're looking at us and saying, "Hey, can you carry me through the product transitions that we've heard about into the future and support us? And can you help us set up and architect the data center, which rolls back to the DCBBS." And these customers also as well are fairly well funded as being government entities, right? So it's a little bit of a deeper partnership. We've seen -- we have business in some of these particular pockets, and we expect some of those to turn on to be much larger. So it's an opportunity set that our partners are talking about. We're in the process of realizing those opportunities and developing products around to really help them out, which rolls back to DCBBS. There'll be more product elements to DCBBS that will be announced later on in the year. So I think it's all coming to -- coming together, and it looks pretty promising from our perspective, which rolls us back to -- we think that in the two to four additional large-scale customers, it's likely that there will be a sovereign entity in that element.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#21

And that should build over time outside of fiscal '26 into '27 and '28 as other sovereigns sort of develop their AI strategies?

Michael Staiger

executive
#22

Yes. And so you would think about where we are right now, it's like land and expand. Obviously, there's a lot of competition. But at the same time, land and expand and innovate at the same time, that's an arc of like pretty -- takes a high degree of intellect to do that on the engineering level. Roughly half the force is engineers, and they're focused on multiple different SKUs and products to bring this together to take advantage of our partners' technology so that we can serve the customer base. And the customer base is going to be much larger in the future. And the current customers that we have, the repeat nature of the customer where we're engaged with them is very high. So we're pretty comfortable on a long-term scale like where we're going relative to some of the things that some of the sell-siders might be saying.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#23

Not you. Let's shift gears. Let's talk about gross margins a little bit. You guys just reported about a 10%, just shy of 10% gross margins. The company continues to sort of put out expectations to return to a 15%, I think, to 17% gross margin. Datacenter Building Block is part of that solution. What have been sort of the factors that have got us from the traditional level of gross margins back to today? And then how do you see that playing out sort of in the future to get back to the normalized rate?

Michael Staiger

executive
#24

So from that perspective, there's been a tremendous rush to try to put something on the floor, right? And everyone is saying and claiming that they could do XYZ or they can deliver racks. We think over time that those claims maybe tail off a little bit. We're focused more on the full suite for the customer and doing the best for the customer. So we're a customer-focused company or an innovation-focused company. So from those perspectives, the innovation element, if we can bring an advancement in any one of these reference architectures that's significant and unique, that's an instantaneous margin enhancement profile. We think we'll be able to keep gaining ground in that area. So in the short term, there's been some pressure to satisfy some customers and customer builds. We think that will ease over time. We're not saying it's going to ease immediately, but the focus of the company is to get back to these levels. I think Charles mentioned like, hey, if we wanted to, we could grow faster, but they were lower margin levels. Now the focus is to have a very profitable business as we move forward and serve our customer base and expand our footprint. So that's a land and expand mode right now -- where we're at right now.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#25

What are you seeing from your main competitors? Like are they becoming more aggressive from a pricing standpoint? How would you sort of characterize competitive environment and then impact on gross margin?

Michael Staiger

executive
#26

The competitive environment has always been aggressive. Like everyone knows that it's a competitive environment. What I think the disconnect is that they're not valuing the innovation element that is rapidly happening under the covers. So if you have to support legacy products, legacy applications, legacy software, you don't control the engineering, you don't control the design, you don't control the production. There's a disadvantage in that -- in the long-term element of sort of that business. So this platform business, AI business is going to evolve, is evolving. And we will be -- we're very well positioned to take advantage of that switch and change.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#27

You're clearly trying to make some progress on gross margins operationally with DCBBS. One of the arguments that we've made is margins are sort of structurally moving lower. And it's almost just like a mathematical equation where the bill of materials in the overall server rack contains a higher cost of a GPU and so margins sort of just structurally move lower. What do you think of that type of thesis?

Michael Staiger

executive
#28

I mean that's a thesis that feels sort of evident in the numbers today. But what -- again, what is missing is what can we do to wrap around this core platform that brings that margin level to where we're comfortable -- more comfortable operating. And right now, as we garner and grab the confidence of these particular customers, as we move forward, our builds, our reliability, our systems design are the best. And when we add into the other products, we have already seen this by learnings. We think that we'll be in an even better position downstream. And so those factors will kind of wash themselves out.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#29

Got it. The technology is changing so fast, too. I mean NVIDIA comes up with a new GPU every year, it seems. How do you think about sort of the company's inventory position in terms of -- you've had some inventory write-downs. How do you think the inventory position is? And how does that sort of speed of technology change play a role?

Michael Staiger

executive
#30

So I'll hit on the speed of technology first, because in the speed of technology and the changes, literally like quarter-to-quarter builds, they're not all the same, right? So the product is like we're delivering might not always be the same. So it's easy. The platitude is like you're making a widget, the widget cost X, and P x Q, right? It's way more complicated than that. So we are managing through that. We're managing through the inventory element as well so that we have the right balance for the customer at the time because we don't want to be stuck with parts that we can't use. But at the same time, we're trying to be expansive to be able to offer the solutions to a broad base of customers. And if you look forward, and we think that there will be some inference platform that becomes more standardized than a volume production where we have the volume capacity to like be very cost efficient, manage the inventory for that particular product and have that product line be super successful, whereas people might not even have it on the floor available yet, and we'll wrap that around with DCBBS. So it's a complicated challenge, but we've been dealing with this for many, many years and been very proficient at it. And so we have our eye on this, and we are expecting to manage that successfully into the future.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#31

Any questions from the audience? Yes.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#32

So you talked about cooling solutions as a special purpose built when you work with ISVs. But overall, how are your cooling solutions being adopted by your customers? Is there anything specific you can tell us about kind of how it evolves? And then also, is it like any vertical kind of specialties with those?

Michael Staiger

executive
#33

All right. Yes. So from that perspective, on the liquid cooling front, we believe we continue to lead the march there. Every system that we look at that needs a liquid cooling, like literally will have some sort of change element to it. We're constantly -- we'll have DLC-2, that's I believe we made an announcement with the HGX platform where we'll be able to bring a much more efficient cooling element to the platform. There's no impedance on the dielectric fluid that we're going to be using, that will increase the confidence rate of customers that are not willing to like use liquid cooling because they're nervous about some element of reliability. So we have super reliable systems. We're making them even better. So we continue to innovate, like I said before. And the liquid cooling element of our solution is encapsulated in basically what the core of the platform is like we're core compute in the data center, right? And so we'll expand upon that, but liquid cooling is an element of the core compute. So when a customer comes to us, he's is like, well, give us the compute platform, and we're going to go get the cooling somewhere else. Like they want it all wrapped up and together and integrated. So our ability to innovate and integrate the liquid cooling solution using DLC-2 in an advancement where we're taking all the heat out of the system, whereas before, we're just taking the heat out of the chips is more efficient. So a customer can get more watts on the floor, whether it's retrofit, air cooled, liquid cooled solution or whether it's just pure liquid cooled. So we're constantly making advancements on this front.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#34

Got it. Another question.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#35

If you have two to four or more large-scale customers, will you need to do another capital raise or those provide you?

Michael Staiger

executive
#36

Well, that's a great question because we ran a business in the prior year. We got the $22 billion -- roughly $2 billion capital base. So we have $5.2 billion in cash. We have access to $1.79 billion for the AR credit facility. So $7 billion roughly of liquidity should support future growth, and we're very mindful. Charles is very mindful of dilution, and we're going to manage that quite effectively. Part of that was in the convert, $2.3 billion raise. We bought some shares in to limit the impact and the capped call -- the conversion premium is like 81.78, so to limit the dilution. So we have a strong eye on that, and we have plenty of capital to address the needs of the customers as we move forward to support the $33 billion and beyond.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#37

Got it. Any other questions from the audience? And with one, we've talked a lot about sort of the neoclouds expansion of that customer set, right, and sovereigns. How do you think about the enterprise as a big channel for you?

Michael Staiger

executive
#38

So the enterprise is a focus. We mentioned that on the call. The enterprise customers are fantastic. They tend to be really nice repeat customers. The ones that are technology forward happen to be our favorites because we can build to their needs. Like Tesla is an enterprise customer. There's lots of others under the covers. We have a lot of the enterprise customers are using the neocloud services to test out, right? So they know under the covers that Super Micro is powering a lot of these things. So by virtue of our success with some of our neocloud customers and some of the other enterprise customers, we're well known. We're getting more opportunities, chances to bid. So we're scaling up the go-to-market strategy for the enterprise to offer those customers the solutions that we have. We give them the greatest choice. So one solution is no longer like a nest. Like serial compute, yes, sure, it's super commoditized, right? As we move forward, it will be a little bit different. Each industry vertical has a different kind of use case. I think our largest partner suggested that. So whether it be digital twins, whether it be in the bio industry, drug discovery, there are lots of different use cases, and we're optimizing for each one of those. And we think there's a lot of opportunity. And those customers will need the DCBBS support that we talked about. At the same time, they don't quite have the scale purchasing power that some of the handful scale customers will have. So the pricing environment should be -- should balance itself out.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#39

Margin, or margin accretive?

Michael Staiger

executive
#40

We should be margin accretive. Yes, absolutely.

Brandon Nispel

analyst
#41

Well, with that, we're just about out of time. So Michael, thank you very much for being here. And everybody, thanks for your participation.

Michael Staiger

executive
#42

Thank you.

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