Torrent Pharmaceuticals Limited (500420) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 28, 2025

NSEI IN Health Care Pharmaceuticals earnings 32 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Q1 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call of Torrent Pharma. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Sudhir Menon, Executive Director, Finance and CFO. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Sudhir Menon

executive
#2

Thank you. Good evening, and welcome to the first quarter earnings call for FY '26. We continue to see strong performance in our branded markets, which accounted for 72% this quarter. Our 2 largest branded markets, India and Brazil, each delivered healthy double-digit growth. India business grew at 11% and Brazil grew at 16% in constant currency. On the generic side, U.S. business grew at 19% and Germany grew at 9%. The euro growth for Germany was 1%, mainly due to supply disruption at the third-party supplier this quarter. Coming to the key highlights for quarter 1. Revenues at INR 3,178 crores grew by 11%. Operating EBITDA at INR 1,032 crores grew by 14%. This quarter, other expenses include acquisition-related one-off expenses of INR 15 crores. Adjusted for this one-off, the underlying operating margin for the quarter stands at 32.9%. Net leverage stands at 0.45. I'll now hand over the call to Aman for India business.

Aman Mehta

executive
#3

Thanks, Sudhir. India revenues at INR 1,811 crores registered a growth of 11%. As per the AIOCD Pharmatrac secondary market data, the IPM growth for the quarter stands at 8%. Torrent's chronic business grew at 13% versus the IPM growth of 9%, driven by outperformance in cardiac, diabetes, Gastro, and CNS divisions. We continue to see positive traction in our Consumer Health business, particularly in the Curatio brands. On a MAT basis, Torrent has 21 brands in the top 500 of the IPM with 14 brands more than INR 100 crores sales as of MAT June 2025. Field force strength at the end of the quarter stands at 6,600 compared to 6,400 in the previous quarter. We are encouraged by the performance in the recently expanded divisions and headquarters. This expansion will help us to provide a platform for new launches and increase our territorial reach and gaining regional market share in previously untapped areas. We expect the India business to continue outperforming the market growth. Our focus during the year will be to continue to improve the market share in focused therapies, new launch performance, improve field force productivity in expanded divisions and regions and continue the investments and scale up of the Consumer Health portfolio. I'll now hand over to Mr. Sanjay Gupta for the international business.

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#4

Thank you, Aman. We'll start with our branded generics market of Brazil. Based on internal sales, Q1 constant currency revenue was BRL 143 million, registering a 16% Y-on-Y growth. As per IQVIA market growth was at 5% for Q1. Secondary sales for Torrent as per IQVIA also grew by 14%. Growth was aided by the performance of top brands and new launches. In Brazil, we have a rich pipeline of 62 molecules filed and waiting for ANVISA approval. Moving on to Germany. Our German business has registered a constant currency revenue of EUR 32 million, up by 1%. Growth was impacted due to supply disruption at a third-party supplier. In the U.S., we registered constant currency revenues of USD 36 million, up by 16%. Growth is coming from increased purchasing on existing contracts and achieving targeted market shares in recent launches. Operator, we can open the call to questions now. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Damyanti Kerai from HSBC.

Damayanti Kerai

analyst
#6

My first question is, can you explain the ForEx loss which you have booked in other income? So that's my first question.

Sudhir Menon

executive
#7

Yes, I think...

Damayanti Kerai

analyst
#8

How much is the number -- yes, yes.

Sudhir Menon

executive
#9

So INR 48 crores is the ForEx loss, which we have booked in other income. And the major part is on the euro-USD pair, I would say, where the euro has appreciated almost by 10% this quarter. So it's more of translation losses, which I believe going forward, you should start seeing some of them reversing.

Damayanti Kerai

analyst
#10

Okay. So it should reverse in coming quarters. And in Brazil, I understand the currency situation is not as, I think, severe as what we had seen in the previous quarter, right? So compared to the constant currency growth and reported growth, I understand the difference has come down.

Sudhir Menon

executive
#11

Yes. So Damayanti, if you see last full year, the currency depreciation was around 15%. And since then, I think it's appreciated by almost 10%. So still there's a depreciation of 5%. So you see that 5% difference between constant currency growth and INR growth.

Damayanti Kerai

analyst
#12

Okay. Got it. Coming to India, I have a few questions. So first, if you can break down the India growth into the components, volume, price and new launches? And also, if you can talk a bit more on like your MR expansion plans?

Aman Mehta

executive
#13

Yes. So our growth reflected in the AIOCD Pharmatrac data is 12.2%. The breakup of that is 3.5% volume, 6% price and 2.5% new products. And this is against, I think, 8% growth of the market for the quarter. And in terms of expansion, I think nothing really new from the last quarter that we shared. Essentially, it's the same expansion that's been executed in the chronic segment. We've added 200 MRs this quarter. I think a similar number may be added by the end of Q3 this year. So give or take, the plans remain the same, that maybe 6,900 to 7,000 MRs should be onboarded by the end of the financial year.

Damayanti Kerai

analyst
#14

Okay. That's helpful. And my last question is on Brazil. So you mentioned there are 62 products awaiting for approval. So can you update like a few years back, I believe the approval cycle in Brazil were slight -- like very lengthy. So have you seen improvement in the approval cycle? And when do you expect these 62 approvals to come, say, over 3, 4 years or it could be even further?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#15

So it depends upon the type of submission, right? So some of these are clone submissions from the company's approved products. Hence, the clone submission in Brazil generally takes 6 to 9 months. Some of these will take between 30 to 36 months. So essentially, what we are looking forward in Brazil is we have 3 divisions, and we are looking at 2 to 3 product launches per division per year.

Damayanti Kerai

analyst
#16

So see, around 8 to 10 launches we can expect per year, right?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#17

Correct.

Operator

operator
#18

Our next question comes from the line of Neha Manpuria from Bank of America.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#19

My first question is on the margin. The adjusted margin of 32.9%. Sudhir, you didn't really give us a margin guidance last time. So based on the performance of the first quarter, would it be fair to assume that this is the run rate or slightly better probably as we go through the year given the branded growth?

Sudhir Menon

executive
#20

Yes, that's what we expect, Neha. Minimum what we have reported in quarter 1 should continue for the rest of the quarters.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#21

Understood. And my second question is on Germany. The supply disruption that we mentioned, if you could give some color on when this would normalize? Or do we expect this to continue to impact us for a couple of quarters?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#22

Unfortunately, I won't make a prediction at least a couple of quarters.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#23

And what is this related to exactly, Sanjay?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#24

So in Germany, 75% of our business comes from third-party products, right? So we have a lot of partnerships. And so one of our partners has had some supply issues linked to regulatory requirements. Hence, it has a major impact on growth. So -- and we are kind of a little bit hostage to the situation in the sense it's not within our direct control. And some products we are sourcing to other places or we are bringing them in-house, but it will take some time before it normalizes.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#25

Okay. So this year, we shouldn't assume any improvement in Germany?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#26

It would be a good news if we can show some improvement in the subsequent quarters, but I don't know. I'll just keep my fingers crossed.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#27

Understood. And my last question on U.S. Now that the facilities are improved, we started seeing contract wins and new product launches gaining share. How should we look at the traction in that? I mean if you could give us some color on the number of launches we should be building? And what's the sort of growth that Torrent can see in the U.S. market?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#28

So I would say that in the course of this fiscal year, we should see about 10 launches. Some of them are mature products and a couple of them are day 1 launches. So in the first quarter, we launched about 4 or 5 products. And the biggest launch for us so far was the Esomeprazole granules, which we launched at the start of the fiscal year. And we've had other a few smaller launches of products, which are already genericized. And then last week, we launched [ Sacuval ] also. So going forward, we expect another 5, 6 launches for the rest of the fiscal year.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#29

And with these launches, it's fair to assume that U.S. is now profitable for us. And with every subsequent launch that profit margin improves?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#30

I think Sudhir will answer that.

Sudhir Menon

executive
#31

Yes. Neha, it is still not profitable. It will take some while before we get into the profitable zone post R&D. But the progress is looking positive. So I think quarter-on-quarter, you'll see the losses coming down for the U.S. and therefore, a positive contribution to the overall performance.

Operator

operator
#32

Our next question comes from the line of Tushar Manudhane from Motilal Oswal Financial Services.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#33

Sir, just on the MR count, again, we have increased the MR base by almost 1,000 over the last 1 year. And from 5,700, we are reaching to almost 7,000 by end of FY '26. But somehow the growth rate or let me put it other way, the MR product is still lower or sort of the growth is still not catching up with the addition of MRs. If you could elaborate on this.

Aman Mehta

executive
#34

I would not look at it in that way. Generally, the MR additions take at least 12 to 18 months to onboard and kind of get familiarized. So if you see last year's full growth, we were at 13%, which was I mean, significantly higher than the market growth. And that was a result of the expansion done in the previous kind of 2 years, right? So that is the time and impact that it takes. So anything that gets done today won't have an impact on positive growth in the next quarter or 2 quarters. It may be seen in the next 1 year and 2 years. So I think the numbers that we are seeing in the places that we have expanded in divisions we have expanded, certainly, there is a positive -- meaningful positive uplift. Otherwise, we won't continue doing it. So I would say that it's best to look at it from a 2-year horizon rather than anything shorter than that. And just to kind of add one more point is that last year's Q1 growth in India was actually 15%, and this year is 11%. So on a 2-year CAGR, it's about 13%, so which is still significantly higher than our previous CAGR before the expansion started. So these are all signals together that add up and give us confidence that the expansion is certainly helping increase our growth.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#35

Got it sir. If you could break the growth into consumer health care and -- I mean consumer fees and the prescription please, for India segment?

Aman Mehta

executive
#36

We have not done that. We don't really look at it that way. We see every brand separately, every division separately rather than kind of looking at consumer versus prescription. But I would say that the investments being made in the brands like Tedibar, for example, are certainly giving very, very positive results, way more than the prescription growth. And we believe that should continue for the next couple of quarters at least. It's at a base which is growing rapidly. And until we reach a certain level of market share saturation, I don't think that should slow down. And partly that's aided by the consumer spend that we've been making for the last, say, 1, 2 years. So definitely, there is a positive correlation that we are seeing. And as we mentioned earlier also in brands that we see whether the results are not really coming in expectation to what we thought, we cut down the spends. So it's all kind of measured at a portfolio level.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#37

Got it, sir. Just at least if not the growth rates, but if you could share what has been the composition of India business into prescription and consumer?

Aman Mehta

executive
#38

Composition of the sales contribution or...

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#39

Yes, India business into prescription and consumer?

Aman Mehta

executive
#40

Yes. I mean we've generally shared that the consumer brands are between 10% to 15% of the total portfolio.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#41

Got it, sir. Got it, sir. And just one more on Germany as such, last couple of years, there has been, unfortunately, some of the other reasons, which has been keeping the growth under check. So any rethought on the geography per se or you think that we'll be able to do better in next 3 to 4 years?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#42

No. So there's no rethought on the business in terms of geography. We are trying to improve. And every time we improve something else goes wrong. So -- but that doesn't mean that we are not -- we are giving up on Germany. We are the fifth largest generic company with about 6% of the German generics market. We have an aggressive growth strategy in terms of new launches and cost improvements of existing portfolio. So all that work continues.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#43

Got it. And just lastly, one more, if I may, on India business, like how many launches you would have done over the last, say, 12 months out of that, how many line extension and how much first to market?

Aman Mehta

executive
#44

Meaningful launches would have been maybe 4 or 5. Line extensions would have been more, maybe, say, 9 or 10. And the contribution of the new products is about 2.5%, which may increase slightly in the coming quarters because the brands would start increasing in size.

Operator

operator
#45

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from the line of Shyam Srinivasan from Goldman Sachs.

Shyam Srinivasan

analyst
#46

Just on the J.B. Pharma acquisition, just it's a month since we made the announcement. So any update? I know you talked about all the approvals take 6 months, but anything that has passed in the last 30 days?

Sudhir Menon

executive
#47

No. So Shyam, there were some filings, which were required in terms of public offer and merger schemes, including the CCI application. All those have been done now. Now what we believe -- I mean, we have to wait for the CCI revert to come back and see if there are incremental things to be done.

Shyam Srinivasan

analyst
#48

So Sudhir, largely on track, right? That's nothing changes.

Sudhir Menon

executive
#49

Absolutely, absolutely. Absolutely.

Shyam Srinivasan

analyst
#50

Understood. And just a second question is on -- we're getting about -- maybe I missed asking this last time, but we are getting another field force of about 2,100 once the deal closes with J.B. Pharma, right, once you do the merger as well. So does it -- is there a rethink then when we look at our 6,400 plus 2,100. So do we think there is -- I know you have not called out synergies and stuff, but should we look at us going slow and then consolidating and that's how we should look at field force?

Aman Mehta

executive
#51

No, I don't think so because where we are expanding is in non-overlap areas. So regardless of the acquisition, we would like to go ahead. We did review this, but it's definitely kind of the more appropriate call to continue the expansion rather than wait for the merger.

Shyam Srinivasan

analyst
#52

Okay. That's helpful. Last question is on the ETR tax rate. It came in 24%, 25% for the quarter. How should we look at for the full year?

Sudhir Menon

executive
#53

Yes. So we're already in the new tax regime, Shyam. So at least stand-alone India, you should see 25% playing out. And considering subsidiaries, 1% here or there. So maybe 25%, 26%.

Operator

operator
#54

The next question comes from the line of Saion Mukherjee from Nomura Securities.

Saion Mukherjee

analyst
#55

Sanjay, on Brazil, we had good growth, but I remember you had some low base. And also last quarter, you mentioned about some destocking in the channel. So the constant currency growth is pretty strong this quarter, but there is a fair bit of volatility. So how should we think about growth in the coming quarters because it's much higher than the market growth rate at this point?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#56

Saion, Brazil is a funny market because it's highly concentrated in terms of distributors, right? And they pretty much decide how much inventory they want, destocking, stocking. So volatility of primary sales is there quarter-on-quarter. But I've always kind of guided that it's the best to follow the IQVIA data because that kind of normalizes that and it's more related to the demand. So I would say that IQVIA is currently running at about 14% for us, and that's actually a better reflection than the primary sales.

Saion Mukherjee

analyst
#57

Got it. And also, Sanjay, on the semaglutide launch in Brazil. So what's your expectation at this point in terms of timing for approval? And how do you see when you get the approval for Torrent, how the market evolves or the market share evolves, how many companies you expect to be ahead of you? So if you can sort of paint a picture for us for this opportunity in Brazil in particular?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#58

Sure. So what I'll do is I'll actually not talk too much specifically about Torrent. I'll just give you a brief on the market because, I mean, for competitive reasons, I don't want to tell you which month we would file, which one would get approved, et cetera. But let me just give you a macro picture where we are in Brazil. So semaglutide is 2 products, right, Ozempic and Wegovy, right? Ozempic has been in the market for a while in Brazil. But since Wegovy launched in middle of 2024, Ozempic has been in a decline. So it's been growing at minus 15%, minus 17%. And current size of Ozempic is pretty come down a lot. So it's about $350 million, okay? So Ozempic, by the time it goes off patent would be smaller. And we've seen that due to changes in regulation, it's losing the obesity patients to Wegovy. And Wegovy is currently running at $150 million a quarter. So in the space of 1 year, it's reached a run rate of $150 million. And let's see how the growth continues, but it's already a $600 million product on an annualized basis. And so Wegovy generics would come to the market a little later because people have not started filing as yet. So Wegovy in Brazil would be, let's say, a couple of years behind the Ozempic launch. So the dynamics would be different. And so we are working on both the products without giving you more specificity, and we are trying to be in the wave 1 of launches. So as of today, I can't go into more detail. I think it will be a little bit detrimental to our business interest to reveal more. But we are working on both with partners, and we intend very much to be there.

Saion Mukherjee

analyst
#59

So Sanjay, so what you're saying is that when -- so first, you will get Ozempic and then Wegovy a couple of years down the line. But given the size of Ozempic, it will not be a meaningful contributor for Torrent, at least in the near term. Would that be a fair assessment?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#60

I don't know what you mean by meaningful. So it depends where the market is. The market is going down minus 14%, minus 15% and if 10 people show up, then I don't think it will be a meaningful contributor. On the other hand, I would be much more gung ho about Wegovy because of where the market is going and the fact that it's a little bit down the line, so I would probably have better chances of being on day 1. So yes, that would be my general sentiment.

Operator

operator
#61

Our next question comes from the line of Vivek Agrawal from Citigroup.

Vivek Agrawal

analyst
#62

Sudhir sir, just some clarification on the margins. As you commented that margins are expected to remain stable at current level throughout FY '26. But if you look at the branded markets continuously doing well, there can be some operating leverage as well, while we are seeing some improvement in the profitability of the U.S. So shouldn't you expect margins to move up in the coming quarters? Or is there anything particular that is pulling down the margin?

Sudhir Menon

executive
#63

So I think, Vivek, what I said, minimum this margin should sustain for FY '26. That's point number one. Point number two, I think in the last quarter's earnings call, I did indicate that there will be a pickup as far as R&D spend is concerned, plus certain reinvestments, which are happening in each of the businesses, right? So for now, I feel confident that basically 32.9% minimum is something we should achieve. But quarter-on-quarter, let's see how -- whether there's a further improvement, which is possible or not.

Vivek Agrawal

analyst
#64

Understood. And just one question for Sanjay sir. You said that Wegovy is taking market from Ozempic, and Ozempic is consistently coming down. But don't you think that once the generics come, there can be some off-label use, et cetera. And even in the weight loss, some generics -- generic Ozempic can also get some kind of share. So your thoughts would be super helpful.

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#65

So in theory, yes. But in reality, what is happening in Brazil is ANVISA has put in place very strict rules. So like each prescription for semaglutide has to be issued in 2 copies. And with the indication on the prescription and the pharmacy is required to maintain extensive records, including a copy of each prescription. So I've never seen that draconian measures put in place by ANVISA to prevent misuse of the drug. Hence, my submission would be that the off-label use would be minimalistic.

Aman Mehta

executive
#66

I'll just add one more point to the margin, especially on the India side. So just to supplement to what Sudhir said, is that while directionally, what you're saying is correct, I would also just want to point out that the margin expansion has happened even after the kind of expansion in field force and increase in marketing spend that we've made for the last, say, 2 to 3 years in a row. So once that reaches a kind of stable level where we maybe don't expand as much or just kind of don't need to expand beyond what the optimal level is. That should hopefully, if the top line keeps growing at the same level, that should also bring some leverage. But we don't know when that could be. We right now don't foresee any slowdown in expansion. But as a direction, that's what we wanted to point out.

Operator

operator
#67

Our next question comes from the line of Rahul Jeewani from IIFL.

Rahul Jeewani

analyst
#68

Just a clarification. Did we indicate that we have launched Sacubitril/valsartan in the U.S.?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#69

Yes, we got launched last week.

Rahul Jeewani

analyst
#70

Okay. And sir, how are you seeing competitive intensity on this product, at least, let's say, for the initial few months, do you think it could be a sizable opportunity for us?

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#71

I would say it's a little bit early to give you a prediction. We saw 10 people launch on day 1. So that's quite a lot of people. And what I don't know is how much is the product available on the market, if it's an excess supply, who's targeting what market shares. So I think it's better to wait. It's just been a few days, right? So actually, our invoicing started on Thursday, Friday of last. So I would give it some time.

Rahul Jeewani

analyst
#72

Okay. So around 10 players have already launched in the market.

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#73

Correct. Correct. Correct.

Rahul Jeewani

analyst
#74

Sure, sir. And just on the India business, I missed the split of this 12% growth across volume, price and new launches. So if you can repeat that.

Aman Mehta

executive
#75

Yes, sure. It's 12% as per the Pharmatrac data and the breakup is 3.5% volume, 6% price and 2.5% new products.

Rahul Jeewani

analyst
#76

So versus market, what would have been the volume growth? So our volume growth has been 3.5%, what is for the market?

Aman Mehta

executive
#77

So the market overall was 8% out of which volume is 0.3% for the quarter.

Rahul Jeewani

analyst
#78

Okay. Okay. So on volumes as well now, let's say, we are outperforming market growth by 250, 300 basis points?

Aman Mehta

executive
#79

Yes. I mean, certainly, in this quarter, it appears so. And I would say that the expansion has contributed meaningfully in this volume growth.

Operator

operator
#80

Our next question comes from the line of Bino Pathiparampil from Elara Capital.

Bino Pathiparampil

analyst
#81

You mentioned your thoughts around the semaglutide market in Brazil. Do you also mind sharing your thoughts around the market in India as it opens up and your plans?

Aman Mehta

executive
#82

Yes. Again, so there's a lot of moving parts here. So I would refrain from giving any specifics at this stage. But certainly, a large opportunity is ahead of us and the market overall. We believe that the injectable will be the large part of the market and the oral will also have a kind of fair share over time. Both have a kind of separate use and kind of patient pool. So we believe that both will be important opportunities for us. We are conducting the Phase III clinical trials as of now for the oral product and have partnered for the injectable. And as of now, it looks like we could be in the first wave. And again, I would kind of not want to make any speculation on how large the market could be, but it's certainly going to be a reasonable addition to our chronic portfolio in the next 1, 2 years.

Operator

operator
#83

[Operator Instructions]. As there are no further questions, I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Sanjay Gupta, Executive Director of International Business, for closing comments.

Sanjay Gupta

executive
#84

Yes, I'd just like to close this call. Thank you very much for your interest in Torrent Pharma today, and we'll look forward to talking to you soon. Thank you. Bye-bye.

Operator

operator
#85

Thank you. On behalf of Torrent Pharma, that concludes this conference. Thank you all for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.

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