Updater Services Limited (UDS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 25, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorSir, we are now live.
Raghunandana Tangirala
executiveDear shareholders, good afternoon to all of you. I extend a warm welcome to all of you for the 23rd Annual General Meeting of the company. I hope all members can hear us clearly and the audio and video connectivity is clear and uninterrupted. I am Raghunandana Tangirala, Chairman and Managing Director of Updater Services Limited. And by virtue of articles association of the company, I am the Chairman for this meeting. I've joined this AGM from our office in Chennai. Before we start the main proceedings of the meeting, I would like to introduce the Board members and the key managerial personnel. Mr. Sunil Chandiramani, Independent Director and Chairman of the Audit Committee and Risk Management Committee; Mr. Amit Choudhary, Independent Director and Chairman of the Nomination and Remuneration Committee; Dr. Sangeeta Sumesh, Independent Director and the Chairman of Stakeholders Relationship Committee; Mr. Amitabh Jaipuria, Senior Executive Director; Ms. Jigyasa Sharma, Executive Director; Ram Praveen Radhakrishnan, Group Chief Financial Officer; Sanjay Saravanan, Company Secretary and Compliance Officer. Also, we have with us statutory auditors, BSR & Company represented by Mr. Sudhakar Partner. Secretarial Auditor, Mr. Balu Sridhar, partner of A.K. Jain & Associates; and our internal auditors, R.G.N Price represented by Mr. Saravanan. We have 40 shareholders have now joined the meeting through video conference, and we have the requested quorum present through video conference to conduct the proceedings of this meeting. Participation of members through video conference being recorded for the purpose of quorum as per circular issued by MCA and Section 103 of the Companies Act 2013. The quorum being present, I call this meeting to order. I now request Ms. Sandhya Saravanan, Company Secretary and Compliance Officer of the company, to provide general instructions to the members regarding participation in this meeting.
Sandhya Saravanan
executiveGood afternoon to the directors and shareholders [indiscernible] 23rd Annual General Meeting is held through video conference in accordance with the provisions of the Companies Act and circular issued by the [indiscernible]. Press release for joining this meeting through video conference or other audio visual means is made available to the members on a first come first serve basis. The register of directors and [indiscernible], register of contracts or arrangements and certificate obtained from the secretary auditors of the company confirming that the company's ESOP schemes have been implemented in accordance with the SEBI regulations have been made available electronically for inspection by members during the AGM. Members seeking to inspect such documents can send their request to compliance officer at UDS. As the AGM is being held through video conference, the facility for appointment of proxies by the members was not applicable, and hence, the proxy register for inspection is not available. The company has received requests from a few members to register them as speakers at the meeting. Accordingly, the floor will be open for these members to ask questions or express their views. The moderator will facilitate the session once the Chairman opens the floor for questions and answers. The company has provided the facility to cast the votes electronically on all resolutions set forth in the notice. Members who have not cast their votes yet electronically and who are participating in this meeting can cast their votes during the meeting and until 15 minutes after the meeting through e-voting system provided by LSPL. Members are requested to refer to the instructions provided in the notice or appearing on the video conference page for a seamless participation through video conference. In case members face difficulty, they may reach out to us on the helpline numbers of NSDL mentioned in the notice to the AGM. Thank you.
Raghunandana Tangirala
executiveI thank you all members, colleagues on the Board and auditors joining this meeting through video conference. Dear shareholders, before presenting the annual report for FY '25, '26, I'd like to briefly reflect on the evolution of the company. From its modest beginning in Chennai to its emergence as a pan-India diversified services platform, today, we are well positioned to address the changing needs of business across -- changing needs of businesses across sectors and to capture the opportunities emerging in the services landscape. Here's a brief look at our journey. Founded in 1990 as a facilities management services enterprise, the company steadily evolved into a diversified services platform through a series of strategic acquisitions and business expansion. Over the years, it has strengthened its presence across integrated facilities management and business support services, entering segments such as mail room management, institutional catering, airport ground handling, hygiene solutions, background verification, audit and assurance and sales enablement services. After our successful IPO in FY '24 and continued -- we have continued investments in talent acquisition, technology and leadership, further accelerating our growth, enabling the company to scale consolidated revenue of nearly INR 2,940 crores in FY '26, and establishing a strong foundation for sustainable long-term value creation. At UDS, our focus remains on delivering measurable value through end-to-end integrated facilities management and business support services. Large corporates are increasingly moving towards integrated solutions-based IFM models to drive efficiency, agility and scalability while accessing specialized expertise and technology. This allows them to focus on their core strategic priorities while we manage operational complexities and deliver value across the enterprise. Now let me give you a quick summary of both the verticals. The IFM, the Integrated Facilities Management segment at UDS spans a comprehensive suite of services, including soft services like housekeeping, pest control, production support like material handling, inventory control and equipment, engineering solutions like HVAC, fire safety, MCC. Hygiene services in our washroom, feminine and hygiene care, warehouse management, institutional catering, general staffing and technology and procurement solution delivered through our specialized subsidiaries. Our catering vertical operates through Fusion Foods, while our tech-driven procurement and service platform is powered by Wynwy. Growth in A-grade offices, industrial real estate and global capability centers is driving strong demand for integrated, compliant and pan-India facility management. At the same time, clients are increasingly shifting from input-based contract to outcome-driven engagements focused on uptime, energy efficiency and asset performance. These trends align closely with UDS compliance-first approach, national delivery footprint and integrated service capabilities, positioning the company well to capture the opportunities arising from this evolving market landscape. In FY '26, the IFM business delivered healthy growth, supported by strong commercial real estate activities, rising outsourcing trends and continued investments in industrial and manufacturing sectors. The company added over 30 new logos during the year and saw increased business from existing customers while growing demand for integrated technically intensive FM solutions. Our continued focus on portfolio quality and contract level profitability is also beginning to deliver improved margins and sustainable growth. Our business support services vertical, BSS, is strategically diversified arm of UDS delivered through a portfolio of specialized subsidiaries, each excelling in its domain. Sales enablement is driven by Denave and Athena. Denave continued to deliver strong growth in FY '26, driven by addition of 49 new logos and increased business from existing enterprise customers, resulting in a 21% year-on-year growth. Encouragingly, new engagements were secured at higher margins, while the continued adoption of its proprietary AI-led sales intelligence platform, Intellibank, is supporting a favorable shift in the service mix and enhancing long-term value creation. Athena continued to strengthen its position in high-volume B2C sales -- telesales while advancing customer diversification beyond BFSI into healthcare, retail and real estate. During FY '26, the business added 4 significant new clients, reduced BFSI concentration from 86% to 81% and accelerated its technology-led transformation with growing demand for AI-enabled services, including recent win of 2 agentic AI contracts. Matrix Business Services continued to strengthen its position in employee background verification and audit and assurance services, adding 12 large clients across FMCG, retail, quick commerce and manufacturing sectors during FY '26. The business remained focused on profitable growth through operational efficiency, technology-led transformation via Matrix 2 and higher -- and increased focus on higher-margin enterprise and GCC opportunities. Avon Solutions and Logistics continued to demonstrate resilience and growth in FY '26 with its core mailroom and integrated support services business recording 9% year-on-year growth. The company remains focused on expanding higher-margin value-added service offerings, including workplace support solutions while strengthening its position in the specialized segment. I'd like to highlight here that this legacy business is showing resilience and remains on a growth path even as the transport business has been completely shut down. Further financial level details will be given by our group CFO later in the meeting. Global Flight Handling Services delivered a strong improvement in FY '26, supported by higher passenger traffic, expanding airline partnerships and improved operating efficiencies. With EBITDA margins improving to 6% from 3% in the previous year, with operations now active across all 23 airports and growing traction in aviation training initiatives, the business is well positioned to benefit from emerging opportunities in aviation services. Collectively, these capabilities reflect our commitment to delivering high-impact integrated and scalable business support solutions that drive efficiency, compliance and customer satisfaction across industries. We have also continued to strengthen our senior leadership bench during this year. During FY '26, we redesignated Mr. Amitabh Jaipuria from nonexecutive non-independent Director to Senior Executive Director for a 3-year term. We also appointed Mr. Ram Praveen Radhakrishnan as our Group CFO. The company has also undertaken an organizational restructuring to keep pace with evolving business environment and transformation taking place across the industry, while strengthening its organization capabilities and creating new opportunities for growth. As part of this restructuring, there is a change in the role of designation of Mr. C.R. Saravanan from Chief Operating Officer to Chief Growth Officer effective August 26, with a greater focus on driving company's growth and strategic initiatives. Further, Mr. Rajeev Bharadwaj has joined, has been appointed as the Chief Operating Officer of the company with a focus on strengthening operational efficiency and execution. The next 2, 3 quarters will be a structured transition period, enabling Rajeev to progressively understand the UDS business, build relationships and take responsibilities. He has extensive experience in leading large-scale pan-India operations, driving operational excellence, business growth, profitability and customer satisfaction. Overall, he has 30 years experience and over a decade's experience in the industry. These measures are taken to ensure that we have the right team in place to execute the company's next phase of growth. On behalf of the Board, I would like to thank our entire leadership team and every employee of UDS for their continued hard work and commitment throughout the year. To summarize, FY '26 has been a year of strengthening operational foundations, improving business quality, building long-term capabilities across both our IFM and BSS segment. We have navigated a set of challenges, some internal and some external with transparency and discipline. We have entered FY '27 in a strong organizational position. We continue to see strong structural opportunity across our 4 sectors, driven by increasing outsourcing, workforce formalization, compliance requirement under the new labor codes. GCC expansion, manufacturing sector growth and rising demand for integrated service delivery partners. These are multiyear tailwinds, and we believe UDS is well positioned to capture a rightful share in this opportunity. As we move forward, our focus remains on strengthening our capabilities, creating sustainable long-term value for our stakeholders and building a resilient and future-ready organization. We look forward ahead to FY '26, '27 and beyond. Our priorities remain clear to deepen our presence across existing verticals to continue investing in technology and scaling to differentiate our service offering and to pursue disciplined value-accretive growth, both organic and inorganic. 3 years since our listing on the exchange, we remain grateful and continued -- grateful for the continued trust and confidence requested in us by our shareholders. And I look forward to your continued support as we build UDS into an even stronger, more resilient organization in the years ahead. On behalf of the Board of Directors, I extend my sincere gratitude to our shareholders, employees, clients, business partners and all other stakeholders for their unwavering support throughout the year. Now Mr. Ram Praveen, Group CFO, will take you through the financial update for the year. Over to you, Ram.
Ram Radhakrishnan
executiveThank you, Chairman. Let me now briefly talk about the company's performance during the year. On a consolidated basis, revenue from operations grew 7.4% to INR 2,940 crores in FY '25, '26 compared to INR 2,736 crores in the previous year. With our stand-alone revenue growing at a faster pace of 10.7% to INR 1,762 crores. This growth was broad-based with our IFM vertical, which grew 12% to INR 2,028 crores, supported by continued demand from the sectors like manufacturing, healthcare and logistics. Our BSS vertical grew 1% to INR 959 crores, led by sustained momentum in our sales. The consolidated PAT for the year stood at INR 83 crores compared to INR 119 crores in the earlier year. Profitability for the year was impacted by onetime provisions of INR 23 crores leading to logistics receivables at Avon Solutions and Logistics, the wage impact and fair value changes in some of the investments. We continue to make investments to strengthen our capabilities for future. During FY '26, certain transactions in Avon logistics vertical were subject to further review, following which an independent external expert was appointed. The matter was confined to the logistics business, which has been discontinued while the core mailroom management and solutions business remains stable. The company has initiated appropriate legal and recovery actions and taken steps to further strengthen governance, oversight controls while remaining committed to a disciplined approach. The underlying operating momentum of our business remains healthy. Our balance sheet remains robust with an overall cash position of INR 374 crores as of March 2026. In FY '26, the Board revisited the capital allocation policy and has decided to reward the shareholders through an interim dividend in FY '27. Our focus remains on strengthening governance and compliance, improving profitability and enabling sharper capital allocation through tighter controls, better business insights, process efficiencies and targeted investments in technology and AI. Thank you. I'll now hand over to Sandhya.
Sandhya Saravanan
executiveThank you, sir. The statutory auditor's report on stand-alone financial statements and consolidated financial statements are available in Page 150 and 233 of the annual report, respectively. [indiscernible] audit report is enclosed in Annexure 3 to reports report on Page 74 of the [indiscernible] Statutory Auditors BSR & Co and Secretarial Auditors A.K. Jain & Associates have expressed unqualified opinion in their respective audit reports for the financial year FY '23. There are no qualification, reservation, adverse remark or disclaimer on financial statements. The shareholders are requested to kindly take note of the same. Thank you. As the notice is being circulated to all the members, the notice convening the meeting be taken as read. Before we proceed, I'm pleased to bring to your notice that as required under the Companies Act, the company has provided you all the facility to cast your vote electronically on all the resolutions set forth in the notice. The period for remote e-voting has concluded by 5 p.m. yesterday. The members who have not cast their vote electronically and who are participating in this meeting will have the opportunity to cast the vote through the e-voting system provided by NSDL. Members may please note that there will be no voting by show of hands. There are 4 resolutions set forth in the notice. The floor is open for any questions by members after the resolution has favored. Item 1 of the notice [indiscernible] approve and adopt the audited financial statements of the company for the financial year ended FY '26 together with the report of the Board of Directors and auditor's report thereon. The audited consolidated financial statements of the company for the financial year ended FY '26, together with the report of the auditors thereon. These resolutions are ordinary resolutions. Item 2 of the notice. Reappointment of Mrs. Jigyasa Sharma, Executive Director of the company liable to retire by rotation as an ordinary resolution. Item 3 of the notice reappointment of Mr. Raghunandana Tangirala as Chairman and Managing Director of the company for a period of 5 years commencing from January 1, 2027 to December 31, 2031 as a special resolution. [indiscernible] shareholders. [indiscernible] shareholders are requested to [indiscernible] to the accounts for the financial year FY '25, '26 and confine their observations and comments to preferably about 2 to 3 minutes, request your cooperation. Speaker shareholders are requested to ask all their questions, which will be responded collectively by the Chairman, Senior Executive Director and CFO at the end. Queries and answers. The floor is now open for queries and answers.
Sandhya Saravanan
executiveSpeaker shareholder 1. I request [ Mr. Sarvjit Singh ], to unmute and proceed with his question.
Operator
operatorWe would like to inform you that the first 3 speaker shareholders naming them Mr. Sarvjit Singh, Mr. Manjit Singh and Mr. Ankur Chanda, the first 3 haven't joined the meeting. Thank you.
Sandhya Saravanan
executiveOkay. I will proceed with the floor for speaker shareholder. I request Mr. Himanshu to unmute himself and kindly proceed with this question.
Operator
operatorMr. Himanshu, thank you so much for joining us. We can have your questions now.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderAm I audible, sir? Can you hear me?
Sandhya Saravanan
executiveYes.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderRespected Chairman, Raghunandana, other Board of Directors, myself Himanshu [indiscernible] Gujarat, Vadodara. First, thankful to our Company Secretary Sandhya Madam, who sent soft and even the hard copy of the AGM notice well in advance, which is pool of information which is easy to follow easy to understand. So I'm thankful to you and your entire secretary. Report is nicely prepared. All corporate parameters of the AGM notice. So I don't have much because I have full faith on board and they're working. I support all agenda items. I already sent my question through the e-mail [indiscernible] AGM give the opportunity to speak my rest speaker shareholder. And Chairman, sir, and MD sir and CEO, sir, is given the pool of information -- informative speech and very excellent performance given by the current year financial. So I don't have much concern. I support all agenda items. I as a speaker, only one question, sir. What would be the profit sharing coming financial year? And let me know our company business played out in the rest of other state of Chennai. During the festivals, please remember speakers shareholders [indiscernible]...
Raghunandana Tangirala
executiveThank you. Thank you, Himanshu, for your comments and for your encouragement.
Sandhya Saravanan
executiveSpeaker, shareholder 5, I request Mr. K. Bharath Raj to unmute himself and kindly proceed with his question.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderI am Bharath Raj attending from Hyderabad. First of all, wonderful Chairman's speech and congrats for the wonderful performance for the year, sir. I support all the resolution. I thank the secretary department for sending the link and annual report. Chairman, sir, my questions are, due to the geopolitical [indiscernible] there's a lot of impact in the country, sir. What will be the impact on financials? And there also the fuel cost has increased due to this geopolitical war. So what is the impact on our financials, sir? Chairman, sir, what is your future of the company in next 3 years? And what is your CapEx plan in this financial year? Chairman, sir, since IPO I'm speaker shareholder, every year, I'm requesting you, sir, you send your love and affection Diwali [indiscernible] never send any sweets sir. Sir, why [indiscernible] to speak shareholder sir. This is the fourth AGM of the IPO. Once again, sir, [indiscernible] physical AGM, will meet personally. I'm and Bharath Raj signing from Hyderabad. Thank you.
Sandhya Saravanan
executiveSpeaker shareholder 5. I request Mr. Reddappa [indiscernible] unmute himself and kindly proceed with the question.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderSir. [indiscernible].
Raghunandana Tangirala
executiveThank you.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderSir, respected Chairman, sir, Managing Director, Board members, Company Secretary and fellow shareholders. Good morning, Namaste, myself, Reddappa [indiscernible] attending this AGM from Hyderabad. I'm very happy attending this AGM. I'm very pleased to participate in this AGM. Company Secretary, thank you for sending the physical annual report and the colorful annual report, the cover page, the team is redefining business services, driving excellence through the collaboration. Wonderful, sir. [indiscernible] speech covered a lot of the information, and thank you so much for that. And I would like to congratulate the management for the management 9% of year-on-year revenue growth and wonderful the financial Q1 also supported the addition of 30 new logos and also particularly in the manufacturing, healthcare sector. I also appreciate the Board for the interim dividend of INR 1 per share. And also turnaround the metrics [indiscernible] the EBITDA, encouraging 76% improvement in EBITDA. And thank you so much for the agentic AI engagement through Athena. And my question is SIS Limited stake in UDS. Sir, my question is concerned about the recent increase in the stakeholding in the SIS Limited to approximately 6.6%. How does the Board view this accumulation? So any financial purely as financial investment or any -- have been any discussion regarding the strategic partnership, business collaboration, other possibilities. So I would like to know this IFM and BSS industry affordability for the consolidation. Second question on the reappointment of Mr. Raghunandana ji. So the resolution 3 proposed the reappointment of Tangirala as a Chairman and Managing Director 5 years, and supporting this, sir. So the contribution beyond the age of 70, the remuneration approximately INR 1.9 crores per annum. So I respect the experience, contribution and the leadership. However, could the Board please share the 3 or 4 measurable operations, the financial milestone that will be used to further evaluate the performance during this new 5 years tenure. For example, revenue, EBITDA, margins, ROE, ROCE, cash generation or any share market targets. Third question about the cash reserves and the acquisitions. So INR 300 crores can -- reportedly over the INR 300 crores significant cash balance indicated that significant. Can you support the inorganic growth to replace -- explain the highest priority of the acquisition, sir, like IFM, BSS staffing, aviations and other technology-enabled services or international markets. Also, the discipline will be the company follow the acquisitions that create the shareholders' value for the simpling the revenue. Sir, fourth question on IFM margin pressure. The BSS business has been shown encouraging margin expansion to around 7.5%, whereas the IFM. So IFM, the pressure because of the front-ended employee onboarding and wage inflation. So what is your wage escalation clauses under periodic price revisions, I would like to know, sir. Sir, fifth question on Matrix and subsidiaries, please throw some information. Can you please explain whether the company expects the Matrix sustain the 13% plus EBITDA margin coming financial year? Are there any subsidiaries business where the management sees to similar turnaround potential, I would like to know. Sir, sixth question about the final question. Mergers and integration, the company has undertaken...
Operator
operatorSorry to interrupt. Can we conclude in the next 30 seconds, sir?
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderSir, I'm going to conclude 30 seconds, but you're taking 30 seconds now. Final question...
Operator
operator[indiscernible] we have about 3 minutes for each speaker shareholder, sir. Thank you.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderNow I'm going to conclude. You are taking time or wasting time. Yes. Thank you. Could you please some about the mergers and integration. So your hidden labor contingency obligations or any impairment risk relating to goodwill business, sir. I support all the resolutions, sir, I pray god to give more wisdom strength. Thank you, Chairman, sir, Director, sir, for our Company Secretary for the operator services team. I wish the company, fellow shareholders a very successful year ahead.
Sandhya Saravanan
executiveSpeaker shareholder 7, I request Mr. Vinay [indiscernible] unmute himself and kindly proceed with his question.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderModerator to hear me?
Operator
operatorYes.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderYes, fine. Thank you. Chairperson and Managing Director, Mr. Tangirala; Executive Directors, Mr. Jaipuria and Jigyasa Sharma, Independent directors present, company executives, fellow shareholders. As announced, my name is Vinay [indiscernible], and I'm a shareholder of our company. Our total revenue at INR 2,940 crores is up 7.44%. Adjusted EBITDA is up 5.9% at INR 176 crores, PAT at INR 83 crores, EPS at INR 12.8 per share as we understand from the annual report. Now as the annual report has explained, we are having 2 broad areas of business, IFM, where 93% of our revenues come from IFM services. And in BSS, 80% comes from sales-enabled services. I have gone through the annual report, and I thank the company Secretary for having shared the annual report hard copy on time. And the questions with your permission are as follows. For the first question, in the concluded financial year, BSS revenues on consolidated working as shown on Page #30 of the annual report is flat and segment profit has dropped from INR 58 crores to INR 37 crores. Could you help us understand the reasons and the outlook? For IFM, though revenue has increased, segment profit has dropped from INR 18 crores to INR 85 crores. So similar to the BSS segment, what were the reasons? And could you help us understand as to what is the broad level of competition and the margin? What has changed or what is likely to change in the competition and in the margin scenario? Well, just a couple of more points. Page #321, we have mentioned about a doubtful recovery of INR 23 crores. Could you please help us give us an outline as to how this issue has come to the fore. And in addition to that, I find that every year, we are making fairly large provisions for doubtful debts. So please give us some idea as to what were the reasons and what we have learned from some of these onboarded clients. And finally, one question, which other shareholders have also asked. We see that another large corporate has made a large investment, sizable investment in our company. So what do you understand [indiscernible] that particular investor? And how do we look -- are they likely to remain as a passive investor? Or what is their outlook? Please let us know. In conclusion, I will say that I'm supporting all the resolutions. And I must compliment our secretarial team, particularly our Company Secretary, Sandhya and her team for having made all the documents available and it's servicing the investors well and in time. Thank you so much.
Raghunandana Tangirala
executiveThank you.
Sandhya Saravanan
executiveSpeaker, shareholder 8, I request Mr. Keshav Dutt to unmute himself and kindly proceed with his question.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderAm I audible?
Raghunandana Tangirala
executiveYes.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderSo I wanted to understand why did Avon's revenue fall from INR 103 crores in FY '25 to INR 69 crores in FY '26? What is the annualized revenue and EBITDA base of Avon's continuing business operations after completely removing the discontinued transportation activity? Sir, also Denave grew 18% in Q1 FY '27, but EBITDA margin fell to 4.3% due to maybe lower field marketing -- margin field marketing activities. So what could be Denave's normalized steady-state margin profile and expected revenue mix between its offerings? Also, sir, why did we have 3 CFOs during FY '26, including an interim CFO stepped down after only almost 3 months. Were any departures related to Avon, any internal controls of financial reporting? And sir, rest, I think I've already shared my list of questions with you in advance, requesting you to please answer the same.
Raghunandana Tangirala
executiveThank you, Keshav, for the extremely comprehensive list of questions.
Operator
operatorThank you so much. Ma'am, before we move ahead and conclude the Q&A session, I wanted to inform the Board members that a speaker shareholder #3, who was called out before, has now joined the meeting. With your permission, can we take Mr. Ankur?
Raghunandana Tangirala
executiveSure. Please go ahead.
Operator
operatorSure. Thank you so much. Mr. Ankur Chanda, we can have you proceeding with the question sir.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholder[Foreign Language].
Ram Radhakrishnan
executiveThank you, Chanda Ji, for raising that question. We will try our best to answer it.
Raghunandana Tangirala
executiveI think we'll start with the written one or we'll go by...
Ram Radhakrishnan
executiveSo we'll start answering these questions. We have made a note. We have also received some questions in advance. So between our Chairman, Mr. Tangirala, myself and our Group CFO, Mr. Ram Praveen, we'll answer these questions. So one of the first questions was on the war impact and also on the impact due to additional fuel costs. So the answer is that the war has not really impacted our core operations because we are largely India-centric, and fuel costs are not a very important component of our business. So travel has become a little more expensive, but that's a very small fraction of our cost. So the overall impact of the war is not directly related to us at this point. Of course, many of our customers are impacted, and that would mean that we will see some ripple-through effect. But as of right now, not much. The other question was around CapEx. As you know, our company does not -- is not a very CapEx-heavy company. We are not a very asset-heavy company. We are a services company. And therefore, our CapEx that we make is largely in IT and IT equipment. The other kind of CapEx that we make is in our global flight handling business, where we do have some assets. But again, that is not materially large and nor do we have any specific CapEx plans which are out of the ordinary. Global flight handling is growing and flights are increasing, so which will mean that there will be a little more investment in some of the ground handling equipment, but nothing which is out of the ordinary. So that was the first set of questions. There was another question asked by 2 different shareholders regarding the stake that a competitor, SIS has taken in the company, which has now reached 8% plus. This stake, as we understand it, is a treasury investment that the company has made. We have not received any formal communication from this shareholder as to the reasons of why they are buying it. We believe that they see great value, and that's why they have invested in the company. That said, there is -- at present, there is no conversation with them about any potential deal as and when anything emerges, and there is nothing at this point in time. If there is anything that emerges, we will inform all shareholders and all other stakeholders as per law. The other set of questions were around the cash of INR 300 crores plus and inorganic growth and a suggestion that we should follow full discipline in deploying this cash hold. So that's absolutely correct. As in the past, we will exercise due caution to ensure that all our acquisitions that we make in the future follow clear discipline and are revenue, earnings and ROCE accretive. Of course, when you make an acquisition in the immediate aftermath of the acquisition, ROCEs do drop, but for 1 year, 1.5 years, then they tend to recover because of strong earnings growth. So we will continue to follow that. As of right now, there is no active conversation that is on, which is at a stage where we can disclose it to the shareholders. That said, your company is always in various conversations for inorganic growth, and we are in some conversations at this point in time as well. We will inform the shareholders as the appropriate time. The other question was around IFM margin drop and wage inflation clauses. We would like to inform the shareholders that almost all our contracts are back-to-back contracts as far as wage inflation is concerned. Your company does not take any risk on wage inflation. And therefore, if there are any minimum wage increases that are mandated by law, all of those are clearly passed on as are other statutory changes that may happen. So the margin drops are largely due to competitive pressures. And we are hopeful that during the current year and going forward, some of this margin will get recovered. We are always now -- in fact, now particularly more than ever, embarking on a cost discipline program, and you should start seeing some impact on margins because of that. Matrix margin sustenance was the next question. So we do believe that Matrix margins are sustainable in both their core businesses of employee background verification as well as of audit and assurance. There are, of course, cost pressures. But at the same time, an extremely comprehensive program has been launched under the business head there to ensure that the EBGC margins, the employee background verification business margins not only recover, but actually start growing. And we are seeing some very encouraging signs on that. There were -- Mr. [indiscernible] asked on revenue from BSS being flat and profits being reduced. This is largely due to the Avon write-off that has occurred that we have already talked about. And we are seeing that now in Q1, growth has returned to some extent in the BSS segment. So we will see stronger growth in BSS during this year and going forward. BSS remains a very key component of our portfolio and sales enablement, in particular, as you rightly pointed out, is almost 80% of our BSS revenues. In IFM, there was a point about revenue increasing, but EBITDA margins being under pressure. So that is correct that -- and we expect to continue the revenue growth momentum. EBITDA margins, the idea is to control that through cost and cost discipline. And as I've already explained, that we are embarking on a very ambitious program in terms of cost control. The other question was around competition, margins and the what's the impact on revenue? So we do have competitors. We are in a field which is attractive. And therefore, there are, of course, other companies that are in the same business. We do believe that there is no strictly comparable company because of our BSS portfolio being very different from the kind of portfolio that any other company has. Of course, our core IFM business can be compared to other IFM companies that are out there. And if you really look at the overall growth and margin profile, we don't compare badly. And in fact, our ROCEs have been industry-leading. Now, of course, some of the competitors have caught up and gone a little beyond as well. So there is competition, but we believe that your company has the right to succeed by virtue of its longevity in the business. We have been -- as our Chairman explained earlier, we have been around for 40 years plus. So clearly, we have legacy with our customers. We have extremely long-standing customer relationships, and we have a reputation in the marketplace, as not only reliable, but extremely -- but people who -- as partners who add value to our customers and to their businesses. So we believe that, that will continue, and that's a core competitive advantage for us. The other competitive advantage is the range of services that we have through IFM as well as through BSS, which again remains quite intact. Another question that was asked was on the INR 23 crore loss and what happened and the provision that has been made thereof. The answer to that is we have explained this in our earlier earnings calls as well. And the minute we discovered it, it was flashed and it was informed to the stock exchanges and to all the other stakeholders. This happened because of a fraud that was inflicted on us in that company. The company has -- your company has taken all actions, Avon has taken all actions as well as UDS to ensure that we contain the fallout of this fraud. All the perpetrators had been caught. They were behind bars. Some of them have now obtained bail. The issue is being pursued through the relevant official channels and the law enforcement agencies. At this point in time, we are unable to quantify the extent of recovery. And that is why as a prudent measure and as a measure of extreme good governance, we have chosen to take the entire write-off. And that is one of the reasons why you see the dip in our consolidated profits as well compared to last year. So this is a nonrecurring onetime event. Some recoveries may happen. But at this point in time, we are unable to quantify it. Of course, your company has taken a lot of action to ensure that something like this does not recur. Mr. Keshav Garg also asked a few questions. We'll read out some of the answers. But -- and Avon, I've already answered. So one of his questions was related to Avon. Overall, the Denave revenue and EBITDA, there was a question. So Denave has a set of businesses. It has 3 businesses. It has one, which is what we call field marketing group, which is more of manpower-oriented business. The second is a business which is telecalling and what we call demand generation and lead generation business. And the third business is a technology business, which is small but growing and more profitable. So during the last year, the first part of the business, which is really the manpower business, which is almost 70%, 75% -- 70% of the revenue, that business grew very strongly. But there were challenges on the telecalling business, which is a higher-margin business. So because of a business mix shift, you have seen this impact. We do believe that going forward, the kind of margins that we have declared for last year are not only stable, but they are probably something that is rock bottom. So we should be seeing a margin improvement going forward on that. The other question was around 3 CFOs during the previous year. And so our -- so one CFO basically left, and there was a gap in the appointment in our search and appointment of our next group CFO, which is Mr. Ram Praveen Radakrishnan. And in that interim, there was a company insider, Mr. Surinder Kumar, who was the CFO and continues to be the CFO of our Denave business, who stepped in as an interim CFO. So I would request that we see it in that prospect. So one CFO left and another CFO was appointed by the Board, and there was an interim. So please see it in that context. And we are extremely pleased to have Mr. Ram Praveen Radhakrishnan join us as the CFO with his absolutely vast amount of experience, and we are immediately seeing what kind of a difference he is making with his experience. So it's good that the Board has taken the kind of time it did in the search. And finally, we have an extremely accomplished person joining us as the CFO. So that was on that. There was another question in terms of the IPO price and the current price being lower than the IPO price. Yes, we acknowledge that. And you would have seen almost a 30% recovery from its lows that the stock had made 2 or 3 months ago. Going forward, we do hope that the markets will realize and will reflect the right value that our profit and loss account and that our balance sheet and that our business growth deserve. So we hope to be able to communicate that by delivering -- not only by delivering superior performance, but by being able to communicate about the superior performance to you. And hence, hopefully, to see that value reflect in our share price. That said, as the management and as rightly pointed out by the person who raised the question, that managements have limited influence over the share price, and we don't try to manage the share price. Your management is very sharply focused on business and business performance. And hopefully, as business performance goes up, the market value will start reflecting that. And as you know, our promoter and our Chairman actually holds 59% plus in the company. So rest assured, he is conscious of the fact that our price is lower than the IPO price. And we are working towards ensuring that performance is there on the ground. There were a few other questions by Mr. Keshav Qureshi, I can -- which he had asked. And some of these he is also asked on the phone, on the call right now, so which we have answered. I'm just seeing the others to see if there is anything else. There was a question on employee costs growing approximately 12.7% versus approximately 7.4% revenue growth. So I would just like to point out that there are 2 manpower-intensive businesses that we have, which is overall IFM and there is Denave's manpower-oriented businesses that we talked about. So both of these businesses have grown double digit last year. So therefore, if you account for that, overall IFM business grew almost 12%, Denave grew 10% plus as well. Denave's -- so if you add these, and then if you look at our manpower cost increase, you will see that the additional is only about 1%, 1.5% because the other businesses are not manpower intensive. So therefore, we are tracking revenue growth to a large extent. At this particular point in time, we do not see this outstripping our revenue growth and being a cause of any specific action that we should be taking. There was another question around acquisitions and what are we looking at? So I've answered that to some extent that we continuously look for acquisitions, and we'll continue to look for acquisitions that are accretive to your company's performance. And as a part of the capital allocation strategy of the company, your Board has been pleased to declare an interim dividend. And going forward also, as far as capital allocation is concerned, there are 3 clear buckets in which this capital will get allocated. One is to reward shareholders, like we have already started. Second is to fund inorganic growth. And the third is to fund organic growth by way of technology and new capability. And we will continue to present to you our plans and hopefully also present the results of implementing those plans. The -- I am -- SIS, there was a question, which we have already answered. The transportation revenue in Avon, we have already talked about the fact that, that is the business where -- that is the division where the fraud occurred, and that's the division that we have now closed. And the charge for that is really the difference in the revenue as well as in the EBITDA that you're seeing between last year and this year. So -- and a full reversal has been affected. So last question there was, where do you see the company growing in the next 3 to 5 years? So we believe that we can continue to grow in mid-double digits, which is what we have talked about in our earnings calls as well. Our attempt, your management's attempt is obviously to accelerate this rate of growth and to make it stronger. But we do believe that, that growth -- this is organic growth. The inorganic growth, of course, comes over and above that. We do believe that EBITDA growth should be slightly higher than the revenue growth, reflecting margin improvement. That is the direction we are trying to work towards. That said, I must reemphasize the fact that your company does not give future-looking guidance. And therefore, there is no specific number commitment that we are making at this particular point in time. So I believe with that, we have answered pretty much all the questions that have been raised. Thank you very much for your interest in your company and for asking these questions. I will hand the mic back to our Chairman, Mr. Raghunandana.
Sandhya Saravanan
executiveMembers may note that the voting on the NSDL platform will continue to be open for 15 minutes after the closure of the meeting. Members who have not casted their vote are requested to do so. The Board of Directors have appointed Mr. Alagar and Mr. D. Saravanan, designated partners of Alagar & Associates LLP as the scrutinizer to supervise the e-voting process. The Chairman as always Mr. Sandhya Saravanan, Company Secretary and Compliance Officer, to declare the results of the voting and place the results on the website of the company at the earliest. The resolution set forth in the notice shall be deemed to be passed today subject to receipt of requisite number of [indiscernible]. Thank you. Request the Chairman to give the concluding remarks.
Raghunandana Tangirala
executiveYes. Thank you. We are grateful to all our shareholders from across the country who have participated in this AGM through this video conferencing. Thank you all for attending this meeting, and thank you for your continued support and confidence in the company. I declare this -- I declare the meeting closed.
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