Verra Mobility Corporation (VRRM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
June 1, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Sameer Kalucha
analystOkay. My name is Sameer Kalucha. I am the information services analyst here at Deutsche Bank. On behalf of DB, we are delighted to welcome Verra Mobility CEO, David Roberts; and CFO, Tricia Chiodo, to our conference. And it's a pleasure to have you David and Tricia.
David Roberts
executiveYes. Thank you.
Sameer Kalucha
analystSo just to get started and set a little bit of context on the discussion. It would be great to have a sense of what Verra Mobility does, what kind of business you're in and how you make money, and then we can get into the business trends and segments. So great to start with the company introduction, David, if you don't mind?
David Roberts
executiveYes. Yes. Happy to. So Verra Mobility is a leader -- a global leader in smart transportation. So that is technology related to making mobility safer and easier. What that looks like for us is we serve 2 very specific customer segments today, one of which is Government Solutions where in North America, we are the #1 provider of photo enforcement, where we provide red light cameras, speed cameras and school bus stop arm cameras to promote safety and driver behavior change within the cities that we work. We work with cities like New York City, Chicago, San Francisco and other cities across the countries to help sort of implement those very important safety initiatives. The way we make money in that business is really 1 of 2 ways. We either get a fixed fee per camera per month or we get a revenue share based upon the paid citation volume of each camera. And that's -- that split is roughly, call it, 50-50-ish or maybe slightly more toward variable, but that's the Government Solutions business. We can talk about some of the things that we're doing there later and some of the other questions, Sameer. On the other side is Commercial Services, where we work with commercial fleets and that's principally in rental cars. So if you or anyone who's ever rented a car from Hertz and Avis or Enterprise and ran a toll, we were a part of their journey. And that's because that solution for rental cars is fully outsourced to Verra Mobility, everything from connections to the toll authorities, to putting transponders in the vehicle, to the shield boxes, to the asset management tracking, to literally billing a renter's credit card at the end of their rental period, that's all of Verra Mobility technology solution. And as I mentioned, we work with the big [indiscernible] as well as others. We also work with fleet management companies that provide vehicles to corporations through leasing. And we view toll management, violation management and title and registration for those bulk fleets. The most of our money is made there through when there is a fee charge per day or per usage day to the renter. There's an administrative split based upon that -- whatever that -- so maybe it's $4.95 or $5.95, they'll just split between us and the rental car partner for that. In addition, we pay the electronic rate that we bill, the catch rate, and that split is something that Verra Mobility keeps. So hopefully, that's a short and concise enough to answer both of your questions there.
Sameer Kalucha
analystNo, that's great. Good to see there's a profitable business model in place and it leverages technology. I think those 2 are the key investment themes. And then in terms of just an overview, still [indiscernible] side of the business. It's a specialized market, but seems like a great opportunity. Any way you can size the total opportunity you target like in terms of TAM and the growth rates over there? What are the components of the growth out there? How do you grow the business?
David Roberts
executiveYes. So principally, the way that -- so if you think about Government Solutions, we grow through either increasing more cameras. So that's through states that adopt legislation that allow us to deploy our solutions in those states. There's only 21 states in the United States today. But so we grow by winning customers and compete against our competitors and winning as well as renewing those plus, obviously, with an increase in traffic, there's an increase in volume and sometimes there's also a related increase in the citations of that, but it's still a government business. So we've always said that, that business will probably grow net of attrition, 2% to 4%. We're outsizing that growth today because of a massive increased installations inside of New York City, where we're currently installing our second tranche of 720 cameras, which is sort of we're outpacing the growth of the industry because that's such a large -- it's a very unique customer in New York City, given the size and scale of their speed enforcement program. In Commercial Services, where we are effectively fully penetrated on tolling with rental car, meaning every vehicle that -- with our customers has our tolling program on it, they can, one, increase the size of their fleets, which they're in the process of doing to address demand; two, there's an increase in demand or -- sorry, an increase in toll roads, meaning more people are -- or more cities and states are putting in toll roads because they are an effective way to manage transportation, also generate revenue; and then thirdly, there is the opportunity to increase the number of cashless lanes. So there are -- believe it or not, there are still lanes for people who actually pay cash or can pull over. And as those reduce, that's actually a tailwind for our business as well. Both businesses have been served in terms of growth through acquisitions. So we're about to close on an acquisition in Government Solutions where we bought one of our competitors, a company called Redflex. They are an Australian manufacturer. So they operate not only in the U.S. but also abroad, principally in Australia and Europe. But in a post-close world, we should have, call it, approximately 70% market share, give or take, in North America. So something we're super excited about, and that's minus a final sort of approval from the Saudi Arabian government we should be moving forward quite quickly with that. And then on the other side of the business, we've done acquisitions over the past couple of years to build out our capabilities in Europe, where, today, there is not a growth -- or there's not rather a fully outsourced provider of toll management in Europe. And so that's something we've been trying to build from the scratch. We've used a few acquisitions to kind of build up our base there. So there's also some growth trajectories there as we think about European expansion as well.
Sameer Kalucha
analystThat's quite -- seems like there's growth in both the segments and in terms of -- there's certainly a big camera opportunity on the rental side, international part. Sounds great. So maybe just kind of like getting a little bit into the commercial side of the business to get a better understanding. You mentioned you work with both rental car agencies and fleet management companies. Is there -- how is the business bit? Is one more down than the other or is it like 50-50? How is the mix right now? And how has it trended? And where is it headed?
David Roberts
executiveYes. The preponderance -- sorry, go ahead, Tricia. You take this one?
Patricia Chiodo
executiveYes. I was going to say, by far and away, the majority of the revenue in this segment comes from rental car companies. Of our 4 largest customers, 1 on the Government Solutions side with city of New York, the other 3 reside in the Commercial Services segment being Hertz, Enterprise and Avis Budget Group. So that is the group that -- where we get the majority of the revenue from. We do see growth in the fleet management companies or direct fleet services just because there's customer acquisition that we can do there, whereas we have the majority of the rental cars already on our tolling program.
Sameer Kalucha
analystAnd this -- the rental car agencies that are on the program, they are apparently at multiyear contracts. You have been renewing them. And what -- just wanted to get a sense of how are these contracts structured? How often do they come for renewal? And how is the renewal pipeline in this? Do we have like multi-years left in each of the contracts or are there some time lines that we're going to be seeing in the recent -- or in the near future?
David Roberts
executiveYes. So there are -- we have -- so relative -- starting with the first one. So Avis is extended through 2025. In general -- you have to remember. So these contracts sometimes have run around 3 to 5 years, but -- and we have always been a part of it because we were -- we are a combination of the 2 entities that provided the service to the market. So think of it -- previously, there were 2 providers and 3 customers. Now there's 3 customers and 1 provider. So with that being said, we just recently announced the -- we're just about done. We haven't got the signed contract, but we are done in negotiating a contract extension with EHI, and that will be for an incremental 2 years. So we're very excited about that with substantially the same economic terms that we have in our agreements today. And the final agreement is with Hertz. Hertz is up for renewal at the end of this year in December, and we would anticipate kind of a similar result that we've achieved with either Avis or with Enterprise in terms of an extension with hopefully, really favorable terms.
Sameer Kalucha
analystGot it. So again, it seems like a very, very stable business from a customer perspective. But obviously, rental cars and everything like that, the whole travel industry has been impacted pretty significantly due to the COVID. And as we embark on this recovery, and you've talked about it as well. Just to refresh, the economy seems to be doing better than expected, faster than expected. The vaccination rollout seems to have gone better than expected. I'm wondering how are you seeing the month-on-month rental trends in the car industry? And how far below you are from the pre-COVID levels? And what's your latest sense on where -- when you see the full recovery kind of play out and get back to like 2019 levels?
Patricia Chiodo
executiveYes. So I think what we're seeing is really optimistic. So we're -- as we're sort of looking at where we're going, we saw a 33% growth in March over February. That momentum continued as we rolled into April on our tolling solution to sort of very positive momentum as we've seen that. And we've seen 3 quarters of recovery cycle. So we hit the trough of where we were in Q2 of 2020, and we've been seeing sort of growing out of there since then. With that being said, we're still fairly far off from where we were in the previous years. Our Commercial Services segment was still 25% down year-over-year in Q1, but we would expect it to see that growth come back as we come over Q2. What we've said publicly is we don't really know where the cycle is going to go. But we believe that as we exit this year, so as we exit 2021, that we'll start seeing sort of that trajectory back to this 2019 level, which would be good for us because then it would get us back to our margin profile. In 2019, this business segment had a 63% margin, and we could be heading back to those margin levels.
Sameer Kalucha
analystThat's great. So it looks like things are progressing well. And then one of the important components that -- and this is a question we get from investors quite a bit. One of the important components of travel is the corporate side of things. What's your exposure there? And given the corporate levels are down significantly and the company seem to be planning for a fairly like a hybrid model going forward. So number one, what's your exposure there? And number two, where do you think the corporate travel levels settle down when things are recovered? We've heard numbers from anywhere from 10% to 15%. What your perspectives are?
Patricia Chiodo
executiveYes. No, that's a great question. So the only data that we have is what we can glean from the last time we said sort of normalized travel patterns would have been 2019, and there the mix between corporate and leisure is really dependent upon the rental brand. So if you're in like an Avis brand, you've got about 50-50. So 50% corporate, 50% leisure. In the Hertz brand, it's 60% leisure, 40% corporate. And these are numbers that we're gleaning from our own systems. So we only count a corporate user, if they're actually flagged as a corporate -- if the rental agreement has a corporate pricing structure on it. So it's directionally correct. But as you step down to sort of cheaper brands or discount brands like Budget, they're almost 75% leisure. So you could say -- and for us, we're sort of agnostic to who -- why there is a rental. The only thing that we care about is that cars are being rented in regions where there are toll growth. And when that is happening, it's good for us. What we do think is happening right now is that it is far overweighted to the leisure traveler, and that is sort of predicting some -- I would -- I'm calling it sort of driving patterns, meaning that the rental agreements are longer. The number of days that they have a toll on it is increasing. The total number of tolls per rental agreement increasing. The average price of tolls is increasing. All of those things could be sort of consistent with the change in mix between a corporate and leisure blend to just a pure leisure traveler driving, but it's really hard for us to really tell what's happening under the surface. But right now, with our product, there's only one way that you can avoid using our product if you're driving in a tolling region and that to avoid the toll roads. And we believe that people, both leisure and corporate travelers, will opt in for convenience.
Sameer Kalucha
analystGot it. Yes, that certainly ties into the growth trajectory that you should see going forward. And then you already mentioned the toll roads and the cashless lanes. Any color on what percent are cashless right now and where do you see the potential for growth in terms of the lanes? And any sense on -- go ahead, David.
David Roberts
executiveYes, I was going to say, it's tough to know because what we've said is, relative to the 2 trends, one is a conversion to cashless and then there is the ongoing building of new toll roads and/or the expansion of lanes or current toll roads. The cashless conversion is the one that has the most immediate effect on our business because it's taking the current infrastructure and changing the dynamic, which is good for our business. And we've always said that we're sort of in the -- I guess, now we'd probably say we're like in the eighth inning on that just because a lot -- I think COVID may have accelerated some of the transition to cashless, but there are still some opportunities to convert lanes to cashless. And then the pace of like new toll road, there certainly is a fair amount of new toll roads on sort of state legislators dockets. The pace at which they get done or funded or extended, those can take some time. But you would say that, in general, toll roads do work really, really well. And when you think about the transition to congestion pricing and using that to help control some of the greenhouse emissions and environmental causes that it's actually a really -- it's a user-friendly revenue-generating solution to solve both traffic congestion as well as some environmental causes that you would see a trend to have those increase over time.
Sameer Kalucha
analystSo that, again, is a positive catalyst and COVID would be an important component of that. Now staying on the growth trajectory because that is one thing investors do focus upon. And -- so FMCs are not really a huge part of the business right now, but how does the opportunities look going forward for FMCs? Do you think there's potential to add more and drive higher growth from that segment of the market?
David Roberts
executiveYes. So there's really 2 ways to grow with FMC. So whereas in Hertz -- or excuse me, rental car were -- like on toll management were sort of fully penetrated. There are some opportunities because they use these products and services to offer to their customers. So they are a channel partner that we work with to provide these types of solutions. So the dollar amount is much smaller, obviously, than rental car volumes because the total number of vehicles is significantly smaller as well. But there are opportunities to both increased penetration around some tolling programs with their customers, meaning they have customers that may not be using our program today, perhaps managing it themselves. There are opportunities to sell other services like our violation platform or title and registration services. So there's really a share of wallet. And then that's also where we look at M&A as a tool to accelerate our growth. And as we think about that we have these commercial fleet customers, there are other products and services that we can credibly offer that are within the realm of smart transportation that we would start to look at as well to bring into those channels where we already have these great customer relationships.
Sameer Kalucha
analystThat's wonderful. So obviously, there are more things to go after. And again, this is one question I get, and we'll switch to government after this. But on the commercial side, the solutions you have implemented, what are your competitive advantages and what's the competitive mode around the business? Since you're working with a lot of -- with the rental car companies, what is it that prevents someone else from coming in and developing the same solution or these companies trying to do something themselves? What's the competitive differentiation and what's the move around the business?
David Roberts
executiveYes. So when you think about our business, there's a couple of things to consider. So one is to enable this solution, you have to have a nationwide program, meaning that rental car vehicles move from Florida to Texas and Texas to California and California and Illinois, right? These vehicles move around. So you need to have a nationwide program. And you do that by having integrations with all of the major toll authorities. And that's actually -- while that sounds easy, in practice, it's quite difficult. It took probably the respective entrepreneurs that were the original founders of this business about a decade to do that just because it does take quite a long time. So one, you have to have those integrations; two, you have to have software that is connecting payments of tolling to rental car systems, which are highly customized. Our systems have been working within the rental car billing systems for quite some time. And so there's a high level of integration there. And then third, you would have to decide and not only that we have asset management tracking, we have people that are on the field, we have a call center. So we have a fully outsourced business that is wrapped around serving these core customers of ours that you would have to try to replicate for potentially maybe a single customer. For the rental car companies, it would be -- you also have to look at it from why would they do it themselves, but their principal job is to sweat the assets and get those things out renting. They're not in it for ancillary services. That's a very small portion of their total pool, and they make really good money at no cost to them, and we are an outstanding provider and try to serve them at the highest point of their needs. So there's really not -- there's not a real reason for them to go to all the effort of all the customization to go build it themselves because they want to focus on renting cars.
Sameer Kalucha
analystThat makes perfect sense. So that means at least on the commercial side of business, there's a good business proposition and the one that is totally defensible in the competitive landscape or even if somebody tried to come in, so there's -- there are barriers to entry. It seems like -- so switching...
David Roberts
executiveYes, if you think about it...
Sameer Kalucha
analystGo ahead.
David Roberts
executiveYes. I was just going to say, if you think about it, there's one company that's provided nationwide toll management, and it's us. We are the only -- we have all the historical knowledge within Verra Mobility. So I think we're a very credible partner for our customers.
Sameer Kalucha
analystGot it. And then maybe switching a little bit to the Government Solutions side of things. As I said, commercial business is certainly impacted by COVID, is coming back. But Government Solutions where the recent action has been and definitely, one of the good things that happened recently was the installation contract for the 72 -- or 720 additional cameras you got from the NYC. The -- can you talk about the progress you've made there and the time lines when you're supposed to implement everything for the next installation [indiscernible] within this year, I suppose?
Patricia Chiodo
executiveYes. No, that's exactly right. I mean -- so it's wonderful that we've got this next order for 720 cameras in the city of New York. We expect that we'll have those installed by the end of this year. I think at the time of our conference call, we had roughly 70 of them installed, and we'll continue to accelerate our pace as we move into the back half of the year. But it's also important, the installation of that magnitude is just growth on top of what is already the largest program in the country, maybe even in the world of photo enforcement. Those 720 cameras will generate somewhere between $50 million and $55 million of product revenue in the current year for the Government Solutions business segment. And at the same time, we'll generate $32 million in forward-looking annual recurring revenue. So that program in and of itself is really bolstering the growth that we're experiencing in the Government Solutions segment. That segment grew a little over 15% in Q1, and we would expect that its growth would continue on through the remainder of this year.
Sameer Kalucha
analystAnd that means the relationship with the New York City, which we've seen a little bit -- there was the receivable issue that happened last quarter, that means all those issues are resolved. You talked about it on the main call as well. So just to get a clearer sense of what are the arrangements there? And when do you think the whole receivable issue would be like totally behind you?
Patricia Chiodo
executiveYes. Well, I wish I had a crystal ball and I could know that exactly, but I can tell you one thing. It's no doubt that we have a receivables issue with New York City. At the end of the quarter, they owed us about $120 million and really what was happening was is that we were doing business for them on what they call an emergency order, which allows us to go forward into work. But then it says, we'll get all the paperwork, the contracting and everything else done on the back end. And within COVID environment, we've had some delays in there. We had some works that we were doing to remediate some electrical work. And what we can tell you, though, is that we've been making progress every single quarter. And just recently, we were notified that, that -- our emergency orders contract was registered with the Controller's Office, which is a huge step into getting that receivable cleared. We also sort of have a little bit of visibility into their vendor portal, where we can see our initial invoices sort of moving through the system, which is very good for us. So even though it doesn't seem like huge project, it's a big [indiscernible] getting that receivable cleared. I think on the call, I had said that what I thought was going to happen was that they were going to sort of take current invoices and then maybe catch up on their historical AR. So right now [indiscernible] that we're getting [indiscernible] model. They're going to do first-in first-out that they're going to pay oldest invoices first. And that they'll start same amount of pace that is several months worth in any given market [indiscernible] So we're excited about that news. But once again, we let you know as soon as we get the first payment is hand.
Sameer Kalucha
analystThat's good. So given that the thing is behind you, you already have the new order. Are there any potential upsides to that? What is the speed camera opportunity? What is the -- when you look at beyond New York City, what is the opportunity you see there? That seems like a technology that should be applicable to all the U.S. geographies, at least.
David Roberts
executiveYes. I mean we've -- so photo enforcement is predicated on that -- I see -- I hear some background noise. I'm hoping that's not setting us off too much. The speed enforcement is predicated on a -- sorry?
Sameer Kalucha
analystNo, I said it's good over here. We're good.
David Roberts
executiveOkay. So speed enforcement is predicated on legislation existing at the state level. So there's 21 states that have photo enforcement of some kind currently. With that being said, not all of them have speed. So for instance, Florida does red light but they don't do speed. We've recently partnered with local legislators and enabled speed in states like Georgia and in Virginia, and we're going to continue to look at places like California to see if we can bring those together. So we certainly feel like that's going to be an ongoing source of growth for us over the next many years because it's -- one, it's a very good product. It works really, really well. And two, it's sort of difficult to argue that people should be speeding in school zones. And so the pushback against that type of enforcement is much, much less. So we would anticipate seeing that to be a source of growth for us for the next many years.
Sameer Kalucha
analystSo maybe to put some numbers there and then quantify. So the first contract with New York City was 720, and then you got additional 720 on top of that. And it was -- I think you mentioned in the call that the total cameras you have there are of the order of 1,600 or 1,700. And if we were to get a sense for how the opportunities in other states are going to be, where do you think those opportunities could trend in terms of the potential number of cameras you could install there?
David Roberts
executiveYes. So you have to remember that New York City is a completely different animal. It's the largest photo enforcement program in the world, and no other city has either the need and/or the budgetary capabilities to do what they've done. So when you think about other states, for instance, Georgia and Virginia, the TAM, what we would call the TAM, there is around $25 million each. And that means going out and calling on many, many, many schools. We -- New York is just an outsized opportunity. So it's hard -- you don't want to compare and contrast that to the rest of the market. That's why, again, overall, we still see really strong support for a 2% to 4% net of attrition growth rate in that over the longer term as we completely develop New York City.
Sameer Kalucha
analystAnd then you said $25 million, just to clarify, is that...
Patricia Chiodo
executiveYes. And to that point...
Sameer Kalucha
analystSo that includes the product and ARR or is that just the product revenue? Because in New York, you mentioned 720 cameras gets you roughly $50 million in product. So what -- and $25 million you mentioned the product revenue.
Patricia Chiodo
executiveYes, so product revenue in and of itself, we always view as highly sporadic. There's only a few customers who buy cameras. And when they do, they tend to buy them in these large, bulky orders. But if you look back historically in our financial statements, we've got probably $3 million to $5 million annually in product revenue. In years where these customers are buying, that can jump up to $30 million to $50 million in product revenue. What we would expect is our 2% to 4% is on the service revenue side. We would expect that we would see growth for the remainder of this year that we would continue to see growth as we moved into 2022 at much higher levels than that, just from the New York year-over-year impact of the installation. And then as we got out into 2023, you'll level off to this 2% to 4% growth rate, but you're going to be at a much higher base of service revenue. So your service revenue has really bolstered out. Now you're going to grow at about 2% to 4%. And really, what that means is this business with 40% margins is going to generate a great deal of cash flow for us to invest in other growth opportunities, either adjacent to this segment, close to our Commercial Services segment or even the third leg of the stool, if we wanted to add something else.
Sameer Kalucha
analystThat makes sense. And then touching upon the cash flow generation and adjacencies to get into. Obviously, the Redflex acquisition is a very important part of the strategy going forward. And even though the acquisition was supposed to be closed soon, looks like there's just a very minor step that needs to be that needs to be taken care of. Everything is on track in terms of your original plans, the way you envision it?
David Roberts
executiveYes. Everything is -- all hurdles have been cleared there because of the fact that Redflex has operations in Saudi Arabia. There is a process that we have to go through to get clearance. We anticipate that clearance any day now. And once we get that, we'll close 7 days [indiscernible]
Sameer Kalucha
analystOkay. Great. So that hurdle seems to be out of the way. And so once you have Redflex under your belt or in the portfolio, it should be a very complimentary acquisition. That's one. And #2, do they have any offerings that you can cross-sell to other customers or any offerings you cross-sell into Redflex and then realize some -- instead of -- or addition to cost synergies, there should be some revenue synergies. Would it be possible to do those? Can you talk about those as well?
David Roberts
executiveYes. On the cost side, you would anticipate the North American business is highly duplicative to our business. And so we would anticipate synergy to the tune of $8 million to $10 million in the U.S. business. In addition to that, you wouldn't -- they do have some programs that we don't do here in the U.S., but the bigger opportunities globally where we don't compete outside the U.S. and Redflex has a really good presence outside the U.S. And so we would anticipate that, that would be a part of our -- that's going to be where the growth will be -- that we'll be able to help accelerate their growth outside the U.S.
Sameer Kalucha
analystGreat. It seems like that will be a net-net positive, and that acquisition should help both on the margins and the revenue side as well. So moving a little bit to little bit about -- to margins, there is certainly the position from Redflex and you're a technology company. Are there any opportunities to leverage more technology to improve margins as the volumes [indiscernible] Any color there or any sense of the technology infrastructure you have in place? Are you -- do you have your own data centers? Are you leveraging public cloud? Any color you can provide there on the technology front?
David Roberts
executiveYes. I -- unfortunately, there was a fair amount of background noise at the beginning of your question. I believe you were asking about margin expansion. Was it specific to Redflex? Is that what you were asking about?
Sameer Kalucha
analystYes. Margin expansion [indiscernible] due to technology and other cost synergies.
David Roberts
executiveWhat I would say is that we believe -- yes, clearly cost synergies in the North American market in $8 million to $10 million. And we would anticipate their North American business margin profile would reflect ours that over time, we would get them closer to ours. The international business has a different economic model. And so it will not be at those margins. It's less of recurring revenue and more contract insulation and support and maintenance. So it will be slightly different, but we still think there's plenty of opportunity to get synergies.
Sameer Kalucha
analystAnd definitely, there's potential of margin expansion, and there's a potential for solid cash flow that will be generated by these very rich businesses. And obviously, as you move forward, the liquidity position should improve. What are your leverage targets and what are the time lines you're anticipating to get there, given the current state of the economic missions in the U.S.?
Patricia Chiodo
executiveAll right. Yes. So I mean, right now, we're at the peak of our leverage because we're at the trough of our trailing 12-month EBITDA cycle. But we would like to target somewhere in the 3.5x range, and we think that we will be there by the end of this year, we should be approaching that target [indiscernible] on an overall leverage cycle. Both the EBITDA expansion and the cash flow generation of this business will have us delevering very quickly.
Sameer Kalucha
analystThat makes sense. We're close to our closing time. And so maybe to summarize the way I think about it is very nice commercial business, has a competitive mode, has the potential to grow as the business conditions improve. From the Government Solutions, it looks like things are progressing well. NYC has done good, and there are opportunities in other states. The Redflex acquisition is very synergistic, opportunity to grow margins. Anything else you want to add on the closing side of things that investors should know about?
David Roberts
executiveYes. I guess, I think one of the things we like to say is not only do we have a lot of growth ahead of us with all the points that are really kind of things, it's just about our execution. But if you looked over the last year in a business that was highly impacted by travel, we generated free cash flow of around $40 million and our largest customers didn't pay it. And so we are a very resilient business that I think investors should take to mind as they think about the type of cash flow that we're able to generate.
Sameer Kalucha
analystGreat. We're at the end of our time. Thank you so much for being here today.
David Roberts
executiveOkay. Yes. Thank you.
Sameer Kalucha
analystDavid and Tricia, thank you so much for your time.
Patricia Chiodo
executiveThank you.
Sameer Kalucha
analystThank you. Bye.
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