Vitalhub Corp. (VHI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 13, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Christian Sgro
executiveVitalHub CEO Dan Matlow and CFO Brian Goffenberg. I just caught a recording-in-progress prompt, so I'll start those remarks again from the top and then we'll carry on. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for being with us on our 2026 third quarter conference call. Joining me today are VitalHub CEO Dan Matlow and CFO Brian Goffenberg. Once our prepared remarks are done, we'll open the line for analyst questions. Please press star one or use the raise hand function to signal that you'd like to ask something. Before we start, I'll read the cautionary note on forward-looking information. Some of what we discuss on this call includes forward-looking statements that carry risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially from those described in such statements. To review those risks and uncertainties, please see the forward-looking statements disclosure in the earnings press release and in our SEDAR filings. Our commentary today will also include adjusted financial measures, which are non-IFRS measures. These should be viewed as a supplement to, not a replacement for, IFRS measures. Reconciliations between the two appear in our SEDAR filings. With that, I'll turn the call to Brian for the quarter's financial highlights. Over to you, Brian.
Brian Goffenberg
executiveGood morning, everyone, and thanks for being on the call today. We're happy to share our results for the third quarter of 2026. At the end of September, annual recurring revenue stood at CAD 107.2 million, up 14% from the prior year, which includes 8% organic growth plus roughly CAD 4.5 million coming from the Buddy Healthcare acquisition in July. Recurring revenues are still expanding at 9% year-over-year, and our adjusted EBITDA margin came in at 27%, the highest we've seen in the last two years. Here are some of the key financial highlights for the quarter; total revenue was CAD 31.9 million, in line with the same period last year. Recurring revenue, meaning term license maintenance and support, was CAD 25.8 million, which is 81% of total revenue. That compares with CAD 23.6 million, or 74% of total revenue, in the prior year period. Perpetual license revenue came to CAD 100,000 versus CAD 500,000 in the prior period. Services, hardware, and other revenues totaled CAD 3.7 million, compared with CAD 5.5 million a year earlier. Services revenue is seasonally lighter over the summer, against elevated projected activity in the prior year period. Gross margin was 79% of revenue, compared with 81% in the prior period. That reflects timing of services, revenue recognition, and allocations among development, operating expenses, and cost of sales. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was CAD 8.6 million, or 27% of revenue, versus CAD 7.2 million, or 22% of revenue, in the prior year period. The rise was mainly driven by lower research and development expenses, synergies from integrating Induction Healthcare and Novari Health, and a favorable foreign exchange impact during the quarter. Net income for the quarter was $2.6 million, compared with a net loss of $900,000 in the prior year period. Cash provided by operating activities was $23.9 million in the first nine months of the year, up 69% over the prior year period. We ended the quarter with $129 million of cash and short-term investments and no debt; with that, I'll pass the call to Dan for a business update.
Dan Matlow
executiveMorning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. Sure—this was our summer quarter, which is always a curious one in the sector built around government healthcare, but plenty of positive developments are underway at the company, and plenty happened during the quarter. As Brian noted, perpetual licenses and services licenses were newer relative to 2025. That piece is the variable portion of our business. Services is always a curious one where revenue recognition is concerned, but our backlog for services revenue has never been stronger. The only issue was bringing it into the revenue recognition stage, and that tends to be uneven as we work through our revenue recognition policies, which are tied to the completion of specific milestones on certain projects. Even so, we're quite optimistic about how our professional services figure will look going forward. We're pleased to have restored our cash flow to the levels of our 27% adjusted EBITDA, and as you can see, cash keeps being generated. That has always been the main way we view our business, and it remains the main way we view our business. We keep watching this, and I think if you go back two years, adjusted EBITDA sat in the fives, while today it's in the high eights on a comparative basis. That comes really from Induction plus the Novari Health deal we closed a bit more than twelve months back, along with how well our team carried out the mission and validated the hypothesis behind it. As you can see, we did reach those levels, we've brought them back to where we wanted them, and it demonstrated that both acquisitions have turned out pretty well. For the quarter, our ARR increased by roughly CAD 800-something thousand. I realize the follow-up question will be where we'd have landed absent the SHREWD situation—the figure would be meaningfully larger than what SHREWD produced, since we had a few accounts suspended and there's uncertainty surrounding that business. That portion of the business therefore remains fragile, and we're still awaiting answers from the NHS regarding it and how things stand with the FDP. We hope to hear back within roughly the coming month about which direction this will take. We might not fully achieve that by then, but we keep monitoring it going forward; it remains something we're working through. On the AI front, we've brought our AI Transcription offering to market for the TREAT product, and we're seeing considerable interest in it; our protocoling product in the Novari-based suite is also drawing a great deal of attention. We're starting to add new AI features throughout a much broader range of what we offer. To be specific, we've launched campaigns for our two clinical decision support products that are centered on clinical guidelines—that is, our MedCurrent products and our MCAP products. And the customer bases across both of those areas are quite enthusiastic about what those capabilities can accomplish. We're now applying AI fairly broadly within our development processes. We're beginning to observe some genuinely strong results from a number of those efforts when it comes to speed and certain things we're now able to achieve. Our technical integration has been especially noteworthy. We're reaching the point where, from a technological standpoint, we're integrating our patient flow and care coordination suite. So in the field we're starting to link the products together far more effectively. AI is helping us in that area and in others too, and we're getting to a point where our solutions can be offered as one integrated product suite, which we're pretty excited about. So going forward you'll see that message communicated much more throughout our organization — talking about VitalHub and the VitalHub platform instead of the individual product brands. And we'll make that shift as we continue forward. We're still doing acquisition sales. With some luck, we'll get another one completed before year end; we continue to look at some larger-scale areas, and our activity level stays high. Also, a couple or three businesses we identified as targets right from day one are currently available for acquisition, and we're hoping to move forward on those; so that effort continues. That covers what I have to share today, and I'm sure the questions folks raise will give me considerably more detail; so at this point we'll open it up for questions.
Christian Sgro
executiveThanks, Dan. At this point we'll open the line for analyst questions. If you'd like to ask something, press star one or use the raise hand function. Our first question today is from Gavin Fairweather at ATB Cormark Securities. Gavin, your line is open.
Gavin Fairweather
analystOh, hey, good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. Perhaps just regarding the F impact on ARR, I'm curious whether you looked at organic ARR growth, ex-SHREWD, and could give us a sense of how the rest of the business is performing.
Dan Matlow
executiveThe rest of the business is doing strong, Gavin. I'm hesitant to hand out the exact numbers simply because they shift literally week to week; we have customers suspending and then not suspending, and we have customers we believe are renewing who aren't renewing, and we have customers with all sorts of different elements in terms of where things stand; and then we have renewals from customers who said they wouldn't renew. It's simply a matter of customers being able to find money somewhere other than going to the NHS itself and having money come from its ICBs when it comes to renewals. And we're seeing it arrive from a lot of different directions. And usage of the product remains high; it's just become somewhat of a political/financial scenario when it comes to the product. I genuinely believe that without the suspensions or the reversals on some of those SHREWD cuts, we would have come very close to our Rule of 40 base level given what the strong adjusted EBITDA numbers would be, and we would be on track with our regular numbers that we would be producing and have traditionally produced. Yes, we're going through this right now, but the rest of our business is making up for it pretty nicely.
Gavin Fairweather
analystThanks for that. There was an interesting FT piece, maybe last week, about the possibility that FDP gets renewed for two years and a fresh RFP is put out to assess British alternatives. If that is roughly how things unfold, would you anticipate the churn easing off if trusts believe the FDP could be withdrawn, and might VitalHub be able to form part of a British-made alternative?
Dan Matlow
executiveWe are certainly in conversations with some of those alternative groupings about joining those consortiums, since I think that is potentially what it would take to make it happen. That said, I simply don't know what the answer would be. One line of argument holds that it will be a lame duck for two years and that they are only doing this as a transition scenario toward other products, which is coming literally, which is just coming from news channels. We have not seen any reports from any NHS things. I saw a note today from Palantir saying they have had no notification that they will be extended for two years; so we don't actually know what that will be. But on that assumption, it will be extended for two years, then the real question becomes whether they will keep working on FDP initiatives during those two years or whether they will be transitioning. If they do keep working on FDP initiatives, will any of the ICBs adopt that software knowing it could be gone in a couple years? So I simply don't know what the answer to that will be, and we'll just have to wait and see how that progresses. But I don't really want to give an opinion either way, because I actually just don't know, and I don't think anyone in our organization really knows at this stage.
Gavin Fairweather
analystThat's fair enough. Thanks for the extra detail there. Perhaps as we head toward the busier selling stretch of roughly Q4, Q1, and Q2 for ARR, could you talk a bit about how the pipeline is taking shape and how deals are progressing as we come out of a slower summer stretch?
Dan Matlow
executiveWe certainly have deals. The Novari and the Strata and the Zesty and the Buddy of this world, plus the Intouch, are really setting the pace when it comes to revenue. We keep moving deals forward. It excites me to see some of that work beginning to enter the Canadian marketplace, and our cross-selling excites me too. Not cross-selling merely from a sales standpoint, but we are genuinely integrating cross-sells, which is getting quite interesting in terms of what that involves. The suite has really pulled together with all the different pathways, and some interesting things are happening in the field with our products.
Gavin Fairweather
analystThank you very much. That's great.
Christian Sgro
executiveThanks, Gavin. Doug Taylor from National Bank Financial has the next question. Doug, your line is open.
Doug Taylor
analystYeah, thanks. Morning, everyone. I suppose I'll attempt to pose a few additional SHREWD questions, if you will. I realize you've got quite a bit of that business renewed and some that has churned. I mean, perhaps it would help us to grasp the range of possible outcomes here. Could you give us a sense of how much SHREWD revenue in the U.K. you maybe began with compared with what sits in your ARR today, and perhaps weigh in on the renewal schedules you're kind of monitoring. I know it's a dynamic situation.
Dan Matlow
executiveDoug, I'm reluctant to do that, since we literally have customers that are in — we moved them into churn mode, but they're sitting in suspend mode. It's difficult to quantify what that level is. I still believe there's roughly CAD 10 million or so-ish of SHREWD revenue still out there to some degree across all the different pockets that exist. It's hard to say which ones aren't at risk or are at risk, and relative to that.
Doug Taylor
analystOut of the CAD 10 million in SHREWD revenue, perhaps I'll approach this from another angle. Once a customer enters suspend mode, as you mentioned, that amount has already been taken out of your ARR. Is that right?
Dan Matlow
executiveFor certain cases, that's true. For other cases, it isn't.
Doug Taylor
analystAll right, okay. So there’s a pretty wide set of possible results. I’m not sure there’s any point in me guessing further.
Dan Matlow
executiveI’d rather not guess, since I think in about another quarter we’ll have a clearer picture of how that plays out with regard to it.
Doug Taylor
analystAll right. We'll be eager to hear how that develops. Perhaps shifting topics now, Ontario has stood out as one of the bright spots, given the success you've achieved there. Could you give us an update on how the rollout is progressing in Ontario?
Dan Matlow
executiveYes. It's going extremely well on the imaging side — that portion of the pathways is now live, which represents a substantial piece of it — and we're beginning to tackle some of the remaining pathways. We anticipate carrying that work forward through 2027. Still, it's been a robust product, and we're also beginning to witness considerable activity across the British Columbia region and the Maritimes for both Strata Health and Novari Health. Strata has seen something of a revival in its business, and we're genuinely starting to observe some very promising results in the U.S. marketplace with Strata, where they already had a certain foothold; but we're seeing fairly brisk business activity in the U.S. market too.
Doug Taylor
analystTake some of those regions, Ontario and the Maritimes, as you pointed out, where it's known there's built-in growth since you've won business, though the rollout comes in stages. I mean, do you have sufficient visibility on some of those to state that, regardless of what unfolds in the U.K. with SHREWD, you'd still anticipate generating growth in what we'll call the high single to low double digits?
Dan Matlow
executiveYeah.
Doug Taylor
analystCould you go out on a limb that far?
Dan Matlow
executiveWhen all is said and done, the entire SHREWD business is certainly not disappearing. We have clients renewing across multiple years, so it is definitely not going away. It is experiencing a blip. That said, the other businesses are making up for any shortfalls, and we are pleased with how work is progressing on some of those other initiatives. Yes, a potential blip exists here. We have been discussing this for roughly six, nine months now, yet we keep moving forward, and we are excited about the business as a whole.
Doug Taylor
analystThis is my final question. The integration efforts involving Buddy as well as a few of your other assets appear to be progressing nicely. Margins really stood out as a bright spot this quarter. Perhaps you could update us on where the integration roadmap stands now, what quick wins exist, or how we should think about margins for the organic business as it currently is, looking ahead.
Dan Matlow
executiveYeah. Look, we reached 27% this quarter, but we reached 27% alongside a decline in services and perpetual licenses, which from where I sit is a summertime anomaly, right? Had we achieved the services revenue we normally would have achieved, that would simply have contributed to the bottom line for this quarter, and it would have pushed that figure up even further. So on the margin side, yes, I believe our team has performed really well integrating Novari Health and Induction Healthcare. A bit of work remains there, yet they are fairly consistent with our business fundamentals, and we are pleased with the progress. Buddy is still in its early stages, but Buddy fits naturally into many of our various products, and it is solid technology, and we have gotten off to a fast start on some of that integration, mainly with the Zesty product, which plays a major role in integrating into that core product set. That effort is in progress, and we are beginning to see some interest in the Buddy product being sold into the surgical scheduling product alongside Novari. In case you are familiar with Novari, it has its referral business, but it also has its surgical referral business, where it arranges all the surgeries for roughly 40% of hospitals in Canada. We hold many relationships with the pre-operative or booking systems of hospitals in Canada, and there is demand for something like Buddy for pre-operative based assessments throughout the Canadian marketplace, and we have validated that, and we keep working on determining what business we can capture there, but we are excited about what that opportunity could deliver.
Doug Taylor
analystAll right, thanks. I'll let the others have a turn here.
Christian Sgro
executiveThank you, Doug. Kevin Krishnaratne from Scotia Capital has our next question. Kevin, your line is open.
Kevin Krishnaratne
analystHi there. Morning, everyone. Am I coming through okay?
Dan Matlow
executiveYes.
Kevin Krishnaratne
analystHey, great. Hey, I've got a question. You mentioned the backlog for your services has never been stronger. Can you sort of put a number on that? How far out does it go? When you think about Q4, will we definitely see that rise from the level we saw in Q3? Just your thoughts there.
Dan Matlow
executiveI think Q4 should tick up if the projects. The issue we have, Kevin, with services revenue in our business is that it just isn't a straight line, right? It depends on how the contracts get negotiated regarding milestones and putting time sheets and everything that goes with it. Getting that into a smooth line is sometimes a challenge, but we do believe there are a lot more milestones that should be hit in Q4 than in Q3. You just kind of have more customer involvement during that period to try to get things finished and across the finish line; so yeah, we feel comfortable that Q4 should get there.
Kevin Krishnaratne
analystAll right, understood. Let me move over to AI. You mentioned — I believe I counted four separate products at this point: Transcription and TREAT, Protocol, and Novari. You brought up MedCurrent and then MCAP. So what I wanted to ask is whether you could share, say, how much of an ARR uplift you figure AI can deliver from just those products as you get going? You said customers are quite enthusiastic, so I'm just curious what that opportunity could look like within that base.
Dan Matlow
executiveMy sense is those four products on their own represent what the potential TAM might be — the MedCurrent piece and the MCAP piece. Simply from building them out, if those products reach the market, whatever they turn out to be, or through an upsell, or more broadly?
Kevin Krishnaratne
analystI'd be interested to hear, perhaps, whatever you're able to share with me.
Dan Matlow
executiveYeah, that's tough. We haven't put a total figure on it, but there are millions of dollars involved just with MCAP and the MedCurrent product. Both of those are clinical decision support products that use guidelines. With AI, those guidelines can simply operate automatically against patient data and begin delivering information directly with no data entry at all, letting AI handle the work by voice or by simply querying the systems about what the guidelines say; we've built some fairly solid prototypes for both of those systems, and in our view the true IP of those products is the guidelines themselves. We think those are two products where, if we get guidelines in place for them, they ought to be capable of some interesting things. We're constantly evaluating AI initiatives across our product sets regarding what we can build on top of our existing solutions, but those two have risen somewhat to the top among the initiatives we have. There are others underway as well, but our customers keep requesting it. We figure that simply by adding AI products into our install base, there's likely around CAD 30 million to CAD 40 million of TAM on top of that alone. We just keep working our way through it.
Kevin Krishnaratne
analystOh, alright. Well, that's good to hear. Maybe just one last thing. You mentioned the solid opportunities, Novari and Strata. The Ontario rollout is moving along. There are opportunities for you in B.C. We have a sense of what the ARR was for each of those at the time you acquired them, roughly the CAD 12 million to CAD 13 million ARR range. How large do you think those businesses could get over the next couple of years, just building on those opportunities you mentioned?
Dan Matlow
executiveI believe we have already seen some growth in our Novari products and our numbers for the first time. We expect that to keep going. Yeah, I think we should be able to get that Novari product well above the CAD 20 million in ARR numbers. Strata, I think it can keep growing, and we see another CAD 3 million to CAD 5 million in the pipeline of some things that could happen over the next couple years. Yeah, I think both of those products can keep growing.
Kevin Krishnaratne
analystAlright, I think that's a good place to stop. Thanks so much, Dan. We'll talk again soon. Take care.
Dan Matlow
executiveAll right.
Christian Sgro
executiveThank you, Kevin. Amr Ezzat of Canaccord Genuity has the next question. Amr, your line is open.
Amr Ezzat
analystMorning, and thanks for taking my questions. Perhaps we could shift direction a little here, Dan. You've mentioned that the company is increasingly moving away from standalone products and toward an integrated VitalHub platform. Are you beginning to see that show up commercially in the form of bigger contract values or a greater number of products per customer? It would be helpful if you could tell us whether you track average products per customer or cross-sell penetration internally.
Dan Matlow
executiveI wouldn't be at ease sharing data on that, so I'll decline on that front. Still, I am at ease based simply on my grasp of what the markets look like and the integrations we've finished in the field and through the acquisitions we've closed, and on how we've genuinely assembled a suite of products that we believe relate to one another and deliver a story along with outcomes, when they function together, that are quite strong. AI has allowed us to begin linking these platforms together much more quickly once things come together. What we'll begin doing is positioning it increasingly as a platform with separate modules that you can purchase, rather than as the brand of the products themselves; our feeling is that this will produce some bigger transactions. It's probably naive to claim there are any accounts that don't already have certain modules built or purchased, whether via us or via other product sets; so you'll never sell the whole thing in one go, yet they do relate to one another, and from a positioning standpoint I think it's simply a better means of describing what our capabilities are. I do believe that over the long run this will generate additional revenue as we keep growing.
Amr Ezzat
analystThanks; that gives me useful background. Given where the shares are trading right now, I'm wondering if that has changed the hurdle rate you use for M&A? There were no NCIB buybacks through September. Was that about timing or a blackout, or was it mostly to preserve flexibility for larger M&A opportunities?
Dan Matlow
executiveI'd say mostly the latter. We've continued to explore certain scenarios that we've been looking at for years, and one of these days, we might surprise you, or we might not. I don't know. They're always hard to judge. But yeah, we do believe the company is in a really strong operational position that it can absorb something of a somewhat larger size. I feel very optimistic about how this organization operates and about our processes — we've really tidied things up. We have some strong metrics, plenty of data, a clear grasp of our roles and our process, and we understand our integration methodologies. I'm quite confident in our capacity to take on something of meaningful size, and I do believe that would be beneficial. That said, we won't make a mistake on that front either. We keep looking, we keep doing our small deals and singles, and we're disciplined — we remain disciplined. That's always been what we're about. We're simply trying to sort out — I've consistently said there are three avenues through which we generate revenue here. One avenue is M&A, where we generate revenue via absorbing costs, plus really robust processes and new ARR — yet that represents merely a single side of our operation, and we keep concentrating on each of those three avenues with equal attention.
Amr Ezzat
analystGreat. So perhaps a final question for Brian Goffenberg. Regarding R&D, it dropped fairly significantly compared with a year earlier, and I suppose that's one factor behind the robust EBITDA. What portion of that comes from lasting integration savings as opposed to timing or allocation? And for modeling purposes, would the present R&D run rate be a sensible baseline moving forward?
Brian Goffenberg
executiveYes, we're always looking to bring R&D down, I think, where it makes sense, shift things to Sri Lanka as far as we're able; so yes, I think we'll keep seeing improvement there. Obviously, in certain areas we'll be adding as we do more work on AI. And on timing, sometimes it does, as happened this quarter, there were more costs shifting because some of our development people work on projects, and that gets moved into cost of goods. It will probably stay at the same level going forward.
Amr Ezzat
analystThank you. I'll hand over the microphone.
Christian Sgro
executiveThanks, Amr. Our next question is from David Kwan at TD Securities. David, your line is open.
David Kwan
analystThanks, guys. How long do you figure it'll take before Buddy's margins get up near the corporate average, say around the mid-20s-ish? When you acquired it, I think it was running at about break-even. How much of that do you expect to come from cost optimization, like what you'd probably do with, what you have done with Induction, versus more operating leverage, like at Novari?
Dan Matlow
executiveYeah, it's not a big organization, right, David? So getting it to the right size shouldn't take us long; it'll come through a mix of a bit of cost reduction and revenue generation on it; so we do It's arriving with a pipeline of some interesting initiatives, plus there are more initiatives on our side of the business for it as well. So, in theory, when you begin adding new revenue, that also helps you on the margin side. So, we always look at both sides when it comes to margin to go do it. The trick is not adding people once that keeps growing by absorbing it into the other areas of our business, and that's sort of what we did effectively with Novari and Induction. There's a little bit of cost reduction, but there's the revenue growth as well. Traditionally, when companies grow revenue, they also add costs, and that's really important that we try not to do that as it keeps growing. It'll be a little bit of both. Typically, we say it takes six months to a year, and probably that would be the same here. It's well in progress, and we're looking at ways to get that to its level; it's pretty small on what it is, but there's a little bit of work still to do.
David Kwan
analystNo, thank you. That certainly makes sense. Thanks, Dan. I suppose, though, when you look at margins, if you stripped out the FX gains and losses, margins were in fact down, I believe, slightly more than 100 basis points quarter over quarter, which I take to be simply because of that dilution from Buddy. Assuming no M&A, should we assume margins on that front more or less improve from these levels?
Dan Matlow
executiveYes. We win some quarters and lose some quarters on that, right? Sometimes it is down for that reason as well. We are generating cash in a fairly serious way. As I mentioned, we were low on the services side; that begins flowing to the bottom line right away with it, and you have the Buddy work and the other work to do it. We are comfortable that we will sustain and, if not improve, that number on a quarter-over-quarter basis at this stage.
David Kwan
analystNo, that's great. Perhaps just a few more questions, perhaps regarding the Induction acquisition. That has now been in the fold for a year and a half. Could you discuss perhaps how Zesty revenue has ramped up, to what degree the disruption from what's happening in the U.K. may have slowed that growth trajectory, and how things are progressing with the Cerner partnership?
Dan Matlow
executiveI believe that product keeps growing; its growth has exceeded expectations, and Cerner keeps doing business with us. There's no effect from what's happening in the NHS. That area, in terms of digitalizing the front door into the hospitals or into those organizations, is quite a prominent area within the U.K., and we're right in the middle of it.
David Kwan
analystGreat. Perhaps one final question, and it concerns NHS Attend Anywhere. Revenue rose somewhat quarter over quarter, even though during the prior quarter it fell by a slightly larger amount. What is the right way to view that trend? Are you still expecting, more or less, a moderate decline?
Dan Matlow
executiveIn theory, yes. In practice, we have thoroughly assessed every customer using it, and many of them are extremely satisfied and rely on that product heavily. There may be a limited amount of attrition, but we are also seeing some new deals in the pipeline that could perhaps make up for part of that. We shall see. Everything there comes up for renewal around March, and at that point we will know where things stand.
David Kwan
analystMuch appreciated. Thank you, everyone.
Christian Sgro
executiveThank you, David. Our following question is from Michael Freeman at Raymond James. Michael, your line is live.
Michael Freeman
analystHi there, good morning, everyone. Are you able to hear me? Yes, that works. Right.
Christian Sgro
executiveYep, we can hear you fine.
Michael Freeman
analystYes. Sorry. My question goes back to the NHS, sort of. You said you think you'll know a good deal more about how some of these NHS dynamics play out within roughly the next quarter. Is there a decision point coming up for the ICBs, or why do you expect to know more within the next several months?
Dan Matlow
executiveTheir contract has a break clause for February of 2027 that they can exercise on the Palantir product. Very shortly they have to decide what they are going to do with respect to that. That's how we'll know, Michael. Shortly, they will announce what their decision is going to be.
Michael Freeman
analystUnderstood. All right, thanks. Regarding prospecting for new acquisitions, you said you've had your eye on a few of these deals for a couple of years now. I'm curious about what you've been watching. What is it that, I suppose, might be making you hesitant to pull the trigger? Or what will make the timing right to get these deals done?
Dan Matlow
executiveNothing. It's just the usual process, and it takes two to tango; we keep working with these organizations, and we just have to get them over the finish line.
Michael Freeman
analystYeah, okay. Thanks a lot.
Christian Sgro
executiveThank you, Michael. Our following question is from Paul Treiber at RBC Capital Markets. Paul, your line is now open.
Paul Treiber
analystThank you, and good morning. I apologize for returning to SHREWD, but just so we can set expectations, how large is SHREWD in terms of ARR at present? And what was its previous peak?
Dan Matlow
executiveSHREWD accounts for roughly 8% of our revenue, correct? Around that figure. Between 7% and 8% of our revenue, to put it that way.
Paul Treiber
analystAll right, that's useful. Let's move on to a few other topics.
Dan Matlow
executiveLet me correct that, Paul. That's 7%, 8% of our ARR figure, not our revenue figure.
Paul Treiber
analystOkay, yeah.
Dan Matlow
executiveYeah.
Paul Treiber
analystLet me move on to a few other topics. Deferred revenue, as I recall, went down from quarter to quarter over the course of the year, though it appears slightly lower year over year. What's your view on billings? Is that tied to milestones on the professional services front?
Dan Matlow
executiveWhere professional services are concerned, yes, billings typically hinge on the contract, but a significant portion of our contracts do include milestones based on services, although not every one of them does.
Paul Treiber
analystAlright, regarding expenses, I'd guess G&A came in higher. Is the main reason that it's up on a sequential basis? Is Buddy Healthcare mostly what's driving that, or is something else in the mix, and how do you see bringing G&A down going forward?
Dan Matlow
executiveBuddy Healthcare does add to it. We've brought in new auditors along with new professional services and that kind of thing into those calculations. From a relative standpoint, that's likely where it stems from. Still, whenever an acquisition happens, you inevitably pick up new G&A as part of the deal.
Paul Treiber
analystOkay. Thanks for taking the questions.
Dan Matlow
executiveOkay.
Christian Sgro
executiveThanks, Paul. Our following question is from Justin Keywood at Stifel. Justin, you're live on the line.
Justin Keywood
analystHello there, and good morning. I appreciate you taking my call. I'm not certain whether I missed this, but could there be a route to getting back to Rule of 40 status in 2027 by combining margin improvement or higher organic ARR growth?
Dan Matlow
executiveYes, we believe that's possible. We genuinely think that will happen. Margins are going to keep going up, and we're seeing genuine pipelines. Our bottom line has indeed returned to where it stood two years back, so that is certainly the starting point in this case.
Justin Keywood
analystDoes that fall more in the back half, or will the recapture be gradual — is there any signal on that?
Dan Matlow
executiveIf the SHREWD scenario weren't in play, I believe we'd clearly be a Rule of 40 company, correct? That scenario alone is what's generating some of the difficulties for our business. The remaining ninety-something percent of our business keeps running along in a pretty solid way.
Justin Keywood
analystAll right, got it. It's good to see how strongly you generated cash this quarter and how solid the balance sheet is. So far there haven't been any buybacks of shares. Should we be expecting that at some point over the remainder of the calendar year?
Dan Matlow
executiveThat's something that could indeed happen. It's there for a purpose, and it all hinges on what's in play for us on the M&A front compared with the share price and where we believe the money is best deployed in terms of value. Still, it's in place, and as a board we get together on a regular basis to discuss it, and that will carry on.
Justin Keywood
analystMany thanks.
Christian Sgro
executiveThank you, Justin. At this point we have no more questions. Dan, I'll return the call to you for any closing remarks.
Dan Matlow
executiveRight, thank you all. I believe the main thing to convey to everybody is that this business model has always been about generating money first and then carrying on, and that is still what we do. I remain quite optimistic about our product sets, what they offer, what is happening in the market, and the uptake we keep achieving. It is our view that this will carry on in a fairly substantial way. We keep pressing ahead and moving up as we head toward Q4.
Christian Sgro
executiveThanks, Dan. This now concludes
Dan Matlow
executiveThanks, everyone. Bye-bye.
Christian Sgro
executiveThis concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. Thank you.
Dan Matlow
executiveBye-bye.
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