Vodacom Group Limited (VOD) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 16, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorWelcome to the Vodacom Group Limited Results Conference Call for the 6 Months Ended 30 September 30. Vodacom Group CEO, Shameel Joosub, will host the conference call. Before I hand over to Shameel, I would ask that you refer to -- refer to and familiarize yourself with the Vodacom's forward-looking disclaimer. This is set out on Slide 36 of the interim results presentation and can be allocated on www.vodacom.com. Alternatively, if you would like a copy of the results announcement or presentation, then do please e-mail Investor Relations' website at vodacomir@vodacom.co.za. Shameel, over to you.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveThank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and good morning to those joining the call in the U.S.. I'm joined by 2 new members of our team, our group CFO, Raisibe Morathi, who joins us from Nedbank, where she spent the last 11 years as group CFO; as well as our Head of Investor Relations, JP Davids, who joins us from JPMorgan. We are very pleased to have both Raisibe and JP join our team and wish them long and rewarding careers at Vodacom. I'm also joined by Sitho Mdlalose, who is our Financial Director of Vodacom South Africa. Welcome, Sitho. Our organization is purpose led. This means that we strive to balance economic growth with social inclusion, environmental protection and our vision of connecting for a better future. This purpose underpinned our response efforts to COVID-19 and our 6-point plan to support the resilient recovery for our markets. For those of you who are not able to join our webcast this morning, I would encourage you to download our slides and announcement to get a better sense of our interventions. Also this morning, I provided an update on our strategic progress, notably our accelerated evolution from a telecommunications to a technology company. We continue to expand our ecosystem of products across connectivity, digital and financial services to deliver a 360-degree customer experience. We believe our product suite gives us a sustainable system of advantage. Moving to the group highlights. I'm pleased with our group results for the 6 months and particularly in the strong performance in South Africa. Revenue growth bolted down the P&L, and I'm happy to report that our interim dividend grew 9,2%. Safaricom contributed ZAR 2,5 billion in after-tax profits. Safaricom's COVID-19 interventions, including free person-to-person transfer weighed heavily on the underlying financial performance in the first half. Encouragingly, free peer-to-peer transfers accelerated platform growth. Safaricom's M-Pesa customer base increased 13,2%, while transactions per customers increased 47.7% to 90 transactions per customer in the 6 months. And then on the merchant front, [ Lipa-Kwa ] M-Pesa, merchants increased 77.2% to 245,000. The extent of this platform growth supported improved service revenue momentum in the second quarter despite the free person-to-person fees and sets up exciting medium-term growth prospects for M-Pesa. At a group level, financial services continues to scale rapidly, and we now service over 55 million financial service customers. In the second quarter, and including Safaricom, we processed $20.5 billion of M-Pesa transactions per month. Our lending and savings products also continue to scale rapidly as we tap the narrow market opportunity. In the 6-month period, our Songesha and Fuliza lending products disbursed $1,5 billion in loans, while in South Africa, Airtime Advance accounted for 38% of prepaid recharges. For those not able to join our webcast this morning, I will summarize the key operating metrics at a group, South Africa and international level. Where relevant, I will call out the normalized growth, which excludes the translation effects of foreign exchange. From a group perspective, we have reported strong service revenue growth of 7%, with revenue up 7.8%. We added 4.1 million customers in the group, including Safaricom to reach 120 million. We added 1.8 million data customers across the group to reach 63.1 million, which is over half of our customers using data. We still see an exciting growth opportunity for connectivity. EBITDA increased 7% and, on a normalized basis, was up 5.1%, supported by positive draws in South Africa but offset by revenue pressures in our international operations. Headline earnings per share was up 6.1% after taking into account the impact of the tax rate changes in Kenya. We have spent ZAR 6,6 billion on expanding and improving all our networks. This enabled us to meet the surge in demand as customers changed usage behaviors. At a segment level, starting in South Africa, service revenue grew 7.1% or 6.5% after adjusting for a loyalty program provision of ZAR 142 million in the current period. This is an excellent result, especially given the backdrop of economic disruption and the substantial data price cuts we implemented on the 1st of April. In the contract segment, we gained 66,000 customers since March, supported by innovative work-from-home solutions in the enterprise space. In the prepaid segment, net additions increased $3,4 million in the quarter and $1.5 million in the half as we managed to attract share of wallet through accelerated investment, reasons to consume and active days management initiatives. Our underlying data matrix is strong, with data customers increasing 1,1 million in the second quarter and 409,000 in the half to 22,3 million. Data traffic increased 86% in the 6 months. We sold 580 million data bundles so far this year, up 23% year-on-year. I'm encouraged by this behavior as it means that we are making data more affordable, but also that customers are truly growing into a higher data usage. Financial services continued to perform well with revenue increasing 15% to ZAR 1,1 billion for the 6 months. 10.1 million customers have made use of our Airtime Advance platform in the first half, which in times of the lockdown, has proven to be very effective. We advanced ZAR 5,7 billion of airtime, up 16.6%. Our insurance revenue increased 13.5%, with policies up 23% to ZAR 2 million as we continue to expand our portfolio of products. EBITDA grew 9.9%, with margins improving 0.6 percentage points to 41.7%, excluding the impacts of the loyalty provision of ZAR 142 million in the current period and the IFRS 15 adjustment of ZAR 177 million in the prior period. Growth was 7.4%, still ahead of adjusted service revenue growth. The performance of our international operations was impacted by disruption to our control activities as a result of the informal structure of the economies in which we operate as well as the free person-to-person money transfer interventions for COVID-19 [ beneath ], and the budding of 2.9 million customers as a result of biometric registration as expected. Service revenue declined by 5.2% on a normalized basis, reflecting the increased pressures on consumer spend. Reported growth, excluding the sale of [ DDA ] assets, was 8.9%, benefiting from rand weakness. EBITDA declined by 8.1% on a normalized basis despite the cost containment initiatives. Data revenue increased 4.8% on a normalized basis, and we added 459,000 data customers in the 6 months to end at 20.4 million. M-Pesa revenue growth was impacted by the discounted of free P2P transactions in all our operations, except in Zania. We're encouraged by the increase in the value of multi-transactions in the second quarter by 23% quarter-on-quarter to ZAR 4,3 billion -- on $4,3 billion on average per month. Active M-Pesa customers increased 8.8% to 15.6 million and now represents 40.3% of our active customer base in the internationals. On the regulatory front, I wanted to provide some context and an update on the license in Lesotho. Late last year, the Lesotho Communications Authority or LCA issued a notice of enforcement proceedings against Vodacom Lesotho on the basis of its opinion or non-independence of the company's external auditors. Despite several engagements with the LCA in September 2020, the LCA notified Vodacom Lesotho that it was to be fined ZAR 134 million, of which 70% would be deferred. And in October, the LCA issued a notice of revocation regarding our operating license in Lesotho. The very next day on the 9th of October, Vodacom Lesotho launched an application in the Lesotho High Court to have both the determinations of the LCA, namely the ZAR 134 million fine and the license revocation reviewed and set aside. As a result of the application, the Lesotho High Court issued an interim order interdicting the LCA from enforcing the payment of the fine and revoking operating license. The matter will be held in the High Court on the 27th of November this year. Finally, with respect to the alleged non-independence of the external auditors of Vodacom Lesotho, the group is firmly of the view that appropriate safeguards were put in place to mitigate potential conflicts of interest. More positively and moving to South Africa, we are pleased with the -- on the progress in spectrum assignment, ICASA issued 2 separate ITAs with the auction for high-demand spectrum to take place on the 31st of March next year. The validity of the allocated temporary spectrum has been extended until the auction date. We look forward to participating in the auction process and see spectrum is critical to the pricing outlook for the market. Before we take questions, I'd like to revisit our COVID-19 response and the impact on our operations. We are in a privileged position as a telco to both maintain our business during this time, but also play a key and vital role in enabling governments to respond to the pandemic businesses to continue working and customers to remain connected. As the COVID-19 pandemic escalate across operations, Vodacom was at the forefront of lending support. This intervention showcase the importance of being a purpose-led business. We will continue to support our staff, our governments and our customers to face the spread of the coronavirus and look forward to a just economic recovery across all our markets. Before I conclude my comments, I would like to thank Sitho Mdlalose during his 4-year for being the interim CFO. His sterling stewardship and dedication over the past 4 months has been exemplary. Sitho will revert back to his role as the Financial Director of Vodacom South Africa and facilitate the smooth hand over to Raisibe. We will be joined -- Sitho is joining us for the Q&A now. Thank you.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Preshendran Odayar of Nedbank CIB.
Preshendran Odayar
analystI've just got 3 quick ones, if I can. I heard in the presentation earlier today, you mentioned that you're only looking for a 5% stake in Ethiopia. And I think that gives you some headroom to do some other M&A. So the question is, what are you guys thinking about CIBH? I mean your fiber connection rate is quite high at 74%. So how are you looking at CIBH of any other partners to grow your fiber business? That's the first question. As the enterprise is strong, I just want to know what exactly is driving that. I know the service revenue was up quite strong double digits as well. Is it more your mobile WiFi devices, handset-related contracts or just like SIM-only contracts that you guys pushed there? And lastly, your roaming cost seems -- I mean, it was a decent jump in roaming costs on your expense side for SA and this is despite you having additional spectrum in the period. So I just want to know, like what is the headroom that your network has or how capacity constrained are you guys despite having temporary spectrum being allocated? That's it for me.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveOkay. So maybe to start off with -- on Ethiopia, I think, firstly, what we've decided to do is that the consortium be led by Safaricom and that we play more of a supporting role in that our investment is via Safaricom. So 51% will be Safaricom, 5% Vodacom, and the rest will be strategic financial investors that will be part of our consortium. The -- we've kept -- the reason why we've kept our powder dry is not because there's a pending investment, just to be clear. That said, it does give us opportunities to pursue opportunities that may present itself. The reason we've done it through Safaricom is because we felt that, that was the best vehicle, given the proximity, given the Safaricom's strong balance sheet. And also, I think, given that it'll be good exposure, being enabling country to Kenya. So we felt that, that is the most appropriate way to make the investment. In terms of fiber, honestly speaking, I think, yes, very good performance during the half. I think what's important is that from an ISP perspective. We're earning more credibility, given the investment we've made into our service levels and so on. I think fiber-based nature is not easy from an ISP perspective. But I think more and more people choosing to use us as they're chosen ISP, which I think is encouraging. So very good momentum there, given the investment we've made in that regard. That said, we don't have home spots. Let's be honest. And I think the telcos, if I play, are under-indexed in the space. And I think we need to step up the amount of home spots and coverage in that area. And in that regard, we would consider organic as well as inorganic opportunities going forward because I think the home spots in South Africa is still low. So there's still a latent opportunity in that space. We don't comment on market speculation of any particular investment, so I won't be able to answer that question. On the enterprise side?
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveYes. I think on enterprise, we've had a really strong half, and you quoted an 11% growth on service revenue, the core driver in that half, 7.7% in the half. And the core elements of that was really all of the solutions that we're able to provide to our customers for working from home, for all the big corporates equally from education and all the universities where we're able to provide innovative solutions for them to be able to connect and continue with their education during the lockdown period and, actually, up till today as we speak. But that's on customer revenue. But I think all the lines saw good growth. We had good growth on, for example, in IoT. IoT revenues were up 45% as we saw an increase in the IoT connection now sitting at 5.5 million, which is great. And equally, we've had growth in cloud services looking -- driven by growth in our Infrastructure as a Service. Our cloud business is up 40% in the half, so all around a good performance, primarily driven by customer revenue, but supported by the other line as well.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveOn the roaming cost, I think the important part is that, of course, we've seen a massive increase in traffic. And I think what we've done is looked at which is the most optimal way to manage those -- that traffic. Given the temporary spectrum, given the roaming arrangements that we have with Rain, given the need to build more sites to cope with an 86% traffic increase. And in each case, we look for the most optimal way to utilize those sites. I think what's important, when you look at the roaming cost of Rain, you must also consider the roaming revenues for Rain as well. And you'll see, on a net-net basis, of course, it doesn't get a big impact on the numbers.
Preshendran Odayar
analystVery clear, and congrats again.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Myuran Rajaratnam of Metal.
Myuran Rajaratnam
analystI've got 2. The first one is on VodaPay. Are you in a position to disclose how many active subscribers you might have on it currently? And second part to that question is, so if I load, let's say, ZAR 1,000 into my VodaPay account using my card, who's paying? Because it leaves us ZAR 1,000 from my account and arrives ZAR 1,000 on your side of VodaPay account, I presume. And who's paying for the switching fees or the flight fees on my card here?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveOkay. So I think the important thing to remember is the -- what's -- strategy the market is not the VodaPay that's going to be launched in early next year, which is the partnership with Alipay. What we have at the moment is a -- is basically a white-labeled Mastercard offering that's out in the market, and that was more kind of to gain more understanding of it. So numbers are still small. It's a couple of hundred thousand, I think, to roam about, but that's also intentional because the real play is the big platform that we're launching next year. What we -- so that's the one part. So don't look at the current VodaPay and see it as a proxy for anything. Secondly, remember, currently, basically, it's card economics, right? Because all you're doing is linking your card to the platform. So the transaction fees that you're paying would be the normal transaction fees that you're paying on card. What happens next year is with the Alipay launch is a full new platform, which is a complete lifestyle platform, which essentially is a marketplace, which incorporates on the platform itself. So you'll be able to shop for clothing, any type of service, travel, white goods, be able to pay your bills, your electricity, your water, pay for airtime, take loans and advances on it over docked facilities and so on. And that will be the initial launch. And then in a few months after that we will launch the Vodafone -- the VodaPay store value. That's when the economics changes because that's when, when you transact on VodaPay, it's at a heavily discounted rate because it's not going to the card rails. It's going to the VodaPay rail. So effectively, that's where we can discount both to merchant as well as to the customer on those fees.
Myuran Rajaratnam
analystExcellent. That makes a lot of sense. My second question is also similar to Preshendran on the Rain cost. I'm sorry, I'm being a bit picky here. So just a clarification, then I'll ask my question, all right? So you say your operating expenses went up 6.9%. And if you exclude the roaming -- Rain roaming, it would have been up 3%. And with the Rain cost, it went up 3.9% -- it's Slide 20 of your presentation. I just want to double check. The 3.9% is the incremental cost from Rain. So the Rain cost is actually a lot bigger, but that's just the delta of your total cost that the Rain cost went up by, if you know what I mean.
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveSo Yes, that's correct. That's a correct interpretation. The 3.9% is the delta, is a bridge to the overall growth. So it's the contribution to the growth in the direct cost on a year-on-year basis. So it ends up at [ 3% ], yes.
Myuran Rajaratnam
analystAnd so -- and normally, that sort of is netted off with your facilities leasing and the rollout costs, right? Now but if Rain stops growing its sites and rolling out a network, there will be a hole in the incoming side, if I think about it, and please correct me if I'm wrong. And how much can that hole be if -- all else being equal, if Rain stops growing its network today? Because then you still get the facilities leasing past, but you won't get the delta from growing the network or rolling out the network? Or am I seeing this wrongly Sitho?
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveYes, I think you're thinking about it wrongly in the sense that there's a line in other revenue, which comes through for, effectively, the facility leasing. And then there's the direct cost element. Those 2 largely net each other off. And you have a small delta and EBITDA level on a year-on-year basis that also hasn't grown. So ultimately, net-net, that's the position. But I'm not sure if I've understood your question correctly. Does that help you? Or is it...
Myuran Rajaratnam
analystSo just to double check, so it's only for the facilities leasing you get incoming money from Rain. There is no fees or anything for actually rolling out the network for them. Because I understood that they actually don't do much in this relationship.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveWell, I think they only have a network that we roam on, but that's not much. I'm just being facetious. Of course, they -- I mean, we're using their network, so yes.
Myuran Rajaratnam
analystSo you don't get a fee from them for actually building out their network, only for leasing the -- for using your masts and towers, it's almost like a telco fee, right? Is that right or...
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveSo we -- I mean, we do provide some services to them and whatever services we provide to them, we charge for, of course.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Jonathan Kennedy-Good of JPMorgan.
Jonathan Kennedy-Good
analystJust one up question from me. On your temporary spectrum that you're utilizing at the moment. Are you able to utilize sub 1 gig spectrum that's been temporarily allocated to you? And then just following up from that. Once the auction happens, presumably, let's say, on time, next year, would you be able to utilize that sub 1 gig spectrum as it stands today? Or would it need to be cleaned up further? And how does that impact your decision to pay for it immediately?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveYes. So look, I think a few things. So I think, firstly, the prices in the auction are coming in or the reserve prices are lower in auction. So that's the first part. And the second thing to remember is, are we using the sub 1 gig today? Yes, but on the temporary spectrum, but we're using it where we can. Let me put it that way. So in some areas, the broadcasters are using 800, so then we can use 700. And where they're using 700, we can use 800 provided that we have the radios in that particular area that can do it. So that's where -- so we -- are we getting the full benefit of it? No. Is it giving us some relief? Yes. So that's the first part. The second part is that, of course, in the auction once it's -- once you pay for it, you do get the full utilization of the spectrum. So the spectrum prices are lower than the numbers we were calling out before, but they're slightly different because you also have different blocks and so on, and so on. So it's a different construct, and it starts with a lower reserve price. When it reaches the numbers that we previously spoke about, maybe. I don't know, we'll see. But -- so that's the first part. The second thing is the -- I would say, do we get immediate use of the spectrum? No. So depending on which block we buy, we'll be able to use it again in certain areas, but at least the difference between now and then was that -- if you know you've got the spectrum, you can go and invest in all the radios and use it and maximize the use wherever you can, right? If there is interference in a particular area, then, of course, you won't be able to fully utilize it in those -- in that particular area or you'll be pushing for the cleanup to happen in those areas first. So it's going to be -- the 2.6% to 3.5% that, I think, will be completely usable from day 1. The 700, 800 will be a bit tricky initially. I think as part of the auction, there has to be a definitive date of when the full digital migration would have happened. And I would anticipate that it would be within a year. Also, if we've got clarity around the definitive date, it -- we'll use it where we can, build everywhere else and then simply flip a switch when it's -- when the digital migration happens.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from John Kim of UBS.
John Kim
analystCongrats on a [indiscernible] two questions, please. Firstly, on your ESG goals, when you think about having your carbon footprint over the next, call it, 4-plus years, should we be factoring this into a kind of CapEx/OpEx outlooks? Is this cost-neutral? And where do you see most of that savings coming from? Second question, completely unrelated. When you think about service revenue growth potential in South Africa for the next, call it, 1.5 years. You did indicate that the consumer is going to be under pressure in H2 of the fiscal year. Should we translate that in terms of lower ARPUs and service revenue growth starting to slow? What needs to be true to kind of preserve your service revenue growth rate in South Africa going forward?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveOkay. Let me start off with the ESG goals. So I think we largely see it as cost neutral. Of course, what we are doing is we are utilizing some of the capabilities that we've already built in-house to help us reduce our environmental footprint, specifically power consumption. So let me give you an example. We've created a very good solution in IoT.next, which is deployable in buildings, base stations and so on, which is allowing us to reduce power consumption by as much as 20%. And we've deployed that on already more than half of the South African network and now looking to expand that across the group. We're also selling those solutions into the Board of Vodafone and having discussions with Vantage Tower and Vodafone as well so that we can resell those solutions, which is, by the way, driving some of the growth in IoT because we've now signed up the U.K., Germany, Netherlands and so on to all sell our IoT products, both for self-consumption as well as a platform. So strong part there. And so I think on the ESG part, it's largely -- the idea is that will largely be self-funding. Service revenue?
Raisibe Morathi
executiveYes. On service stone, we take encouragement from the number of clients that we are still growing this period around. Data clients and also some increase in the smart smartphones as well as the usage, where clients are, as of recent, at an average 2.2 gig. And obviously, leading off the peak of COVID effect, that some of the trends could still remain. And most importantly also, from the AI enablement that we have started building that it allows us to go to -- continue to get the bigger share of the wallet of the client. You would have also noticed some positive trends in our financial service offering. So that is also an area where we consider an opportunity to continue to sell more to our customers. And with that, the added pay enablement will enhance our ability to be to see revenue coming from customers continue to come through. So that is just in South Africa and it will just be a replication of that in, obviously, South Africa as well.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveMaybe just to add. I think -- we think a stronger second half in the internationals in terms of the first half -- sorry, in the South Africa, as Raisibe said, the trends should continue. We should be -- there should be a slight step down, I would say, or a bit of a step down into the second half purely because the customer is under pressure. But more importantly, I think, because when people move -- when lockdown, it was the only modus operandi of transport. So I'd say people won't have thing by train, buses or cars, they were traveling on data. And data became the new mode of transport. And I think as we got out of lockdown, they would ease it for a little bit. But remember, the growth rates on data were still pretty strong, even outside of COVID.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Sunil Rajgopal of HSBC. It seems there is no response...
Sunil Rajgopal
analystSorry. Yes, sorry, can you hear me?
Operator
operatorOkay. We can hear you now, sir. Please go ahead.
Sunil Rajgopal
analystAll right. Okay. Can you please comment on the trends that you are seeing in your international markets, especially, Tanzania? And how do you see the markets develop from here? Are you still seeing strength in the economy? Is there any outlook on the improvements.
Raisibe Morathi
executiveSo thanks for that question. So the trends in Tanzania have had basically the COVID -- intervention for COVID, nice effect observed in other markets. Obviously, the economy is slowing down a little bit. But in addition to that, and that's more importantly is the biometric issue where we had to disconnect the 2.9 million customers, we have since reconnected 800 of those customers and continue to work through the system to see whether or not we can be able to get some of those customers back. Of course, some of them may not necessarily be back. But that is a part of the kinks in terms of also working with the government or the regulators in that order. So there's still 1.6 million customers who are at risk in terms of this biometric challenge is concerned. Fortunately, in Tanzania, unlike the other markets, we did not have a free P2P. So the M-Pesa component has continued to see some growth in terms of the trend of spending. And for that, we expect that we will see better opportunities there going forward. So I guess in terms of just the COVID risk, I mean, that is something that we're still going to [indiscernible] to see across all the different markets. So Sitho, anything else to add?
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveYes. I completely agree with Raisibe . I think the data traffic in Tanzania showed good growth. So we're up 0.3% -- 0.8%. So really strong demand from that 0.8% that we've seen. Our voice traffic was up 13.7% in Tanzania. So I think the vitals are there. The business will continue to pick up. Clearly, there's an element for Tanzania where, as an economy, one of the biggest drivers they have there is tourism, and that is still needing to pick up a little bit for refresh of the economic activity surrounding that to pick up as well. But nonetheless, I think, from a sort of life-hold of the business, we're confident with the trends going forward.
Sunil Rajgopal
analystSure. Just if I may add 1 more question to the line. Has the company quantified, I mean, the targets in terms of homes past, et cetera, for fiber? Is there anything on the plans in South Africa aspect?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveYes. I think where we are currently is we've just got over 108,000 homes past. And to be honest, below 10% market share, which we think is too small. So we would like to see that number increase over the coming years. And we would look at opportunities. First, the organic opportunities to grow as well as inorganic opportunities as well.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Vikhyat Sharma of RMB Morgan Stanley.
Vikhyat Sharma
analystTwo questions, if I may. First is, I mean, I think, second half, I mean, obviously, Liquid Telecom roaming costs coming into play. If you can kind of pretty much tell us in terms of whether that is going to increase the cost base? And could there be some a little more pressure? And second question more in terms of there was a government contract, which was extended for you guys, it looks like it is up for auction. If you could tell us what is the revenue exposure there that you have.
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveSo maybe just to first on liquid. That's already in the numbers, so it won't be an incremental drag on that as it's captured within the cost of it as nearly sort of well phased out across. So there must be, from the National Treasury, they, like, may discuss on that. I think National Treasury is a key account for us, from a Vodacom business point of view. Makes up close to 3-point percentage of our mobile customer revenue, our service revenue. So obviously, very important. Clearly, we'll track the development from participates in the sort of center post the contract coming up for renewal. And I don't know, Shameel, if there's anything you'd add?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveYes. So maybe just to add, just to be clear, it's about ZAR 1 billion of revenue in terms of what the national treasury size of account deals. And essentially, what will happen is there'd probably be more competition in that account. And so we will end up losing some of the business. So I think -- but that's the total exposure. And remember, at all times, there will be some that are in contract and some that are out of contract. So you will have some of the lines still being exposed. So it's not the full ZAR 1 billion that will be exposed. You can probably say half of that will be in contract, half of that won't be in contract. And I think it's fair to say we can probably anticipate potentially losing about half of it. That would be the downside. Now if so, I think you'll be putting it down, you're saying about ZAR 1 billion exposure. Half of that is in contract, half of it is also ZAR 500 million. And then if you're saying maximum loss is probably half of that, you're looking at about ZAR 250 million.
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executivePulling just to say that, that had been built and considered in our immediate-term forecasting guidance.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Ziyad Joosub of Nedbank.
Ziyad Joosub
analystJust 2 questions from me, please. The first one is on the 5,500 sites that you had spectrum roaming agreements with Rain. Does that 5,500 now cover all your high data traffic sites? And how should we look at that 5,500 growing over the next 12 to 24 months? Are you done? Or are we going to see you try and incorporate more sites into your [ Rain ] agreement? And then the second question, please, is your interconnect costs came down, but your MoU per sub has moved up quite significantly year-on-year? Are you seeing, through the COVID period, a higher proportion of on-net voice thrusted for the South African network?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveOkay. So I mean, just to be clear on Rain, I'd say the contractual commitments have been met. There isn't more sites as sell as that was a contractual commitment. Everything else that we use Rain for, I think, would be on, let's say, on a need basis, where effectively, they have coverage or we need to -- it's the most optimal opportunity to use them versus building another site. So we've built quite a sophisticated tool in terms of determining when we use rain and when we build a new site. So remember, the way it operates is that you'd add capacity, add capacity to a site. When you run out of capacity, you're either going to add more spectrum, which, of course, you know, has been short of supply. And trailing, which then if you go build another site or hand over today. So we do that the -- let's say, the optimal moving of traffic. And then, of course, if it's going to a certain extent in Rain and we need to still build a site, then we'd move it back again. So it's those kind of opportunities that we're playing with and so on to be able to do it. And of course, if you bring spectrum into the mix, then that gives you a lot more opportunity of where you're going to use land, where you won't use Rain, all of those type of things. And that will become a different dynamic within the -- within the mix. And then, of course, 5G also gives you that capability as well. And as you're modernizing the network, that also gives you more capacity. Ideally, you want to keep the traffic on your own network.
Ziyad Joosub
analystOkay. And I'm sorry if I'm not -- if I should know this, but beyond usage, is there any inflation like escalation on the roaming agreement? Or is it purely usage-driven?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveIt's only usage.
Ziyad Joosub
analystOkay. Okay.
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveZiyad, sorry, your second question, do you mind repeating that on the minutes of use? Just so it remains on...
Ziyad Joosub
analystSorry. I was just asking your on-net traffic, your voice traffic, have you seen an increase in the proportion of voice traffic that is on-net versus off-net over the past 6 months because the MoUs have moved up quite a bit, but your interconnect costs are down on the South African network.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveTo be honest, we don't even measure on-net, off-net anymore. I mean, we do, but it's not really a big thing anymore because, remember, the -- firstly, the rates are much lower. And secondly -- the interconnect rate. And secondly, we don't sell on-net offers anymore. Everything is on-net -- off-net or all-net.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Dilya Ibragimova of Citi.
Dilya Ibragimova
analystI have 3 questions, if I may. First, maybe I just wanted to check on your backhaul, mobile backhaul. I think in the annual report, you mentioned that about 47% of sites in South Africa are fiberized. And please, ask how many of those -- how much of that fiber you own as opposed to rent? And also what are the plans going forward? What is your ideal scenario for backhaul or for mobile network, fiberized side as opposed to microwave, considering the traffic growth that you forecast? My second question is on spectrum going into next year, assuming the auction takes place in March or 13 March. What are you -- what is your priority? Or if ever you have made up your mind, what do you plan to bid for? Do you plan to go for both upper -- above 1 giga and below 1 giga? It sounds like based on your earlier comments that you may continue as sub 1 giga as well. I'm just wondering what it means for your potential 5G strategy. But does that mean that with the spectrum cap, you may need to take less spectrum there, above 5 -- above 1 giga, less than maybe optimal? I think for 5G, the more the better. Yes, so any comment there? So the spectrum cap versus what you would go for? And last question is on lifestyle app. I think earlier today in the presentation this morning, you mentioned that you're considering rolling out the lifestyle app in Kenya and Tanzania. And I think when you did announce the Alipay agreement, you mentioned that it will be predominantly for South Africa. I'm just trying to get an idea, understanding what's changed between then and now? Why are you more optimistic about the adoption of lifestyle apps in East African markets? Is it the data penetration or maybe smartphone adoption? And also, maybe in addition to that, what would be -- is there any opportunity to maybe share cost, I think, with the flat fee that gave everybody, also hiring IT staff. So yes, any comment there would be appreciated.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveOkay. Let me start off with the last first. So firstly, on the Alipay platform, what we're doing is, just to explain again, in South Africa, we're implementing the full Alipay A-plus platform, so -- end-to-end. So there's no M-Pesa underpinned on it. It's a full -- it's the full platform. So it will have its own store value. It's a full stand-alone platform. We have over 100 software engineers currently working on the implementation of the platform and are currently onboarding merchants and so on onto the platform itself. And -- but you would think user journeys and so with the intention of launching Q1 next fiscal, okay? So that's the one. In terms of the capabilities that we're building, the agreement, just to be clear, for the full platform, is for South Africa only. However, we've also managed to deal Alipay off the back of the African agreement. Where we can launch elements, not the full platform, but elements of the platform on top of the Alipay platform -- sorry, on top of M-Pesa. And there's a particular capability called mini apps, which is what exposes or allows merchants to expose their product. So in the South African context, it's the full Alipay app, the full part. It's an app play and so on. In the case of Kenya and Tanzania in type, what it is, is that we will start to get merchants to expose their products into the M-Pesa through the mini app capability. So it is -- it's a different play. I would say then the -- then what we're doing in South Africa, which is the end-to-end part, the concept is that, of course, the more learnings and the more stuff we can develop in South Africa, we will then look to agree with Alipay to -- or -- and financial to expand some of those services into the international markets on a case-by-case basis. Yes. But the full platform is going into South Africa. And I think that also is a good platform for us to learn in our most highly penetrated smartphone market. That's the first point. Okay. Then in terms of spectrum. There's a -- what we would be billing for is low-band spectrum, below sub 1 gig. We think we're probably -- given the restrictions of the way it's structured at the moment, we'll probably get maybe 10 megahertz of spectrum below 1 gig. And then essentially, we're looking for spectrum in the other bands above 1 gig for 5G and also for 4G, which is -- we've been looking for spectrum in the [ 2.6, 3.5 ] and 700 or 800 or 700 and 800, depending on which strategy we deploy in the auction.
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveAnd then just on the backhaul question. So 13,800 of our sites or 96.9% of our sites have high capacity backhaul, and that's roughly split almost 50-50. So 7,000 of those with [indiscernible] provided microwave and 6,800 with -- who are also provided on fiber.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveYes, on the fiber...
Dilya Ibragimova
analystI'm sorry, just as a follow-up on this.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveSo of the fiber, I would say, probably 2/3 is long-term leases with the likes of BSA and liquid and the other third would be internal. So that will be 15-year IRUs is the way we do it. So it's a shared infrastructure, using providers like DFAs. Is that clear?
Operator
operatorOur next question is a follow-up question from Sunil Rajgopal.
Sunil Rajgopal
analystJust a follow-up question. We've seen Vodafone taking initiatives on tower asset monetization or spin-off. I mean I just wanted to check if there has been any further discussions on monetization of towers at Vodacom?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveYes. So it's a bit clear, I mean, we're not looking at monetizing any towers. We are looking at tower-sharing opportunities in terms of, basically, how can we get more -- let's say how can we take out more costs from that area through sharing initiatives, like shared maintenance, like all of these type of things. And also if there's an optimization of tower portfolios was another competitor in market that can give us better, let's say, improved return on capital in each market. But definitely, what we're not looking at is monetizing any of the towers.
Operator
operatorWe have a back Dilya back on the line.
Dilya Ibragimova
analystI'm sorry about that. I got connected. Just a quick follow-up. And I do apologize if it has been addressed. On the fiber strategy or the backhaul strategy rather, what would be the optimal, maybe an optimal scenario for fiber versus microwave share for the mobile network, the data consumption growth?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveSo I think the way to think about it is 97% of the sites are self-provided. So about 3%, you can say, is with telecom and others, okay? So that's the first part, of which 50% is microwave that is completely owned, and that's IP microwave so it's a high-speed microwave. Of course, fiber is more from the future proof. So over time, you put more where the capacity grows. You replace the microwave with fiber, and then you take the microwave and you redeploy it to another area and work down to 97%, closer to 100%. So that's the kind of thinking and the logic that we deploy. Of the 7,000-odd sites that are fiberized today, about 2/3 of that is with third parties and 1/3 is internal, but third parties are the likes of DFA and so on, where effectively, we have 15-year IRUs on type of case, yes? And because it's a shared infrastructure with long-term IRUs and leases that, of course, the economics is very, very good for us.
Operator
operatorThank you. It seems we have no further questions. Sir, would you like to make any closing comments?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveJust to say, I'm very pleased with what the overall result. Especially in these trying circumstances, our priority is to ensure the safety of our staff and customers, while at the same time, providing customers with a high customer experience standards, which they have become accustomed to. It is also a time when our balance sheet strength, prudent risk diversification and resilient business model will stand us in good stead. Also, for me, what's pleasing about the result is a lot of work that we've been doing over the last couple of years is now bearing fruit and you're seeing that come out in the results with the diversification into new revenue streams, but also becoming more and more of a data-led organization with artificial intelligence and machine learning at the core. Thank you for joining us today. If there's any other questions that you may have, please reach out to the Vodacom Investor Relations team. Enjoy the rest of the day. Thank you.
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.
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