Workiva Inc. (WK) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 14, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystWelcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us for the Workiva fireside chat. I'm Matt Robbins with Deutsche Bank, and I'm pleased to introduce long-time CFO of Workiva, Stuart Miller. Workiva is a provider of the world's leading connected reporting and compliance platform used by thousands of enterprises across 180 countries, including 3/4 of the Fortune 500 and also by many government agencies. Workiva customers have linked over 5 billion data elements so they can trust their data, reduce risk and save time. Stuart Miller serves as EVP and CFO at Workiva. As CFO, he led the team that took Workiva public in 2014. Prior to Workiva, he was Managing Director of Colonnade Advisors, an M&A advisory firm that he founded in 1999. And before Colonnade, he served as an MD at JPMorgan, covering IT services, software and industrial companies. Stuart, thank you so much for joining us.
J. Miller
executiveMatt, thanks for inviting me. I appreciate it very much.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystNot a problem. Thanks for joining. Just as a point of order upfront, anyone in the audience can ask questions at any time. You should be able to type them into the web interface, and I will relay them to Stuart as soon as we reach a critical mass of those. We have about half an hour allocated. And I'll just kick it off with some questions. But first, Stuart, I know you have your own conference this week, so an even bigger thanks from me and the team for joining us.
J. Miller
executiveYes. So when I started at Workiva, our conference attracted hundreds of companies. And this year, we actually have over 10,000 registered for our virtual user conference, Amplify, which, as you indicated, starts tomorrow. And I encourage everyone on this call to go to workiva.com and register. It's free. There are many tracks. And many of the presentations are led by our customers, so you won't see them as 50-minute advertisements, they will be substantive and really reflect how the customers use our platform.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystYes. That sounds great. And this is the year of virtual conferences, so it really could not be easier, and especially because it's free. So I would encourage everyone to sign up as well. So Stuart, I gave a very brief introduction to the company. But to kick this off, I would love if you could just spend a few minutes telling us a little bit about Workiva.
J. Miller
executiveSure. So I'll give you a little bit of history. So we were -- Workiva was born in the cloud in 2008, and our first solution sale was in 2010. We ramped quickly, capitalizing on a regulatory change by the SEC that required public companies to begin tagging their financial statements and footnotes using XBRL, eXtensible Business Reporting Language, which is an open standard. And we disrupted that market for SEC reporting with a superior offering. And then in 2013, we began selling new solutions to adjacent markets in the office of the CFO. And last year, 2019, those adjacent markets accounted for 72% of our subscription bookings for new logos and new solutions. Those adjacent markets include both regulatory and nonregulatory reporting, so the regulatory reporting would include Dodd-Frank and CCAR and Resolution Plan, Solvency II and Sarbanes-Oxley and others. And then the nonregulatory side would be internal financial and managerial reporting. So you can say that Workiva is a classic sort of crossing the chasm story, as Geoffrey Moore would say. And so today, we sell 18 solutions, each of which leverages the large investment that our enterprise customers have made in their ERP systems, so it's corporations and governments and quasi-government institutions. And our customers have typically made huge investments in their ERP system, spending tens of millions of dollars, aggregating into the billions. And our platform extends the life of that investment by connecting to the ERP systems and unlocking the data in it for decision-making and reporting. So our aspiration is to be the leading platform for simplifying complex work. There's complexity in reporting, there's complexity in data management, and there's complexity around business processes because the systems that are upstream from us are either like ERP, sort of stop at the waterfront, stop at, for example, the general ledger. Or they stop, they're focused on a particular application. And what we do is we pull all that together to make the data usable and reportable.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystSo my understanding -- sorry for jumping in. My understanding is one of the things that really differentiates your product set is the ability to enable collaboration. It's like creating these big filings, which you said is not the majority of your business anymore, but at least started as that. Creating these filings is a huge undertaking, requiring input from many different teams. And so maybe you could just touch on, in 2014, or I suppose you said starting in 2010, like what was it about your platform that was just different from others trying to do the same?
J. Miller
executiveSure. So when we started, we were a platform focused on that particular SEC market. And I mean, it was not a platform, it was really an application that was focused on that market in particular. But what we did was we built a system that allowed hundreds of people to work simultaneously on the same document, spreadsheet or presentation from remote locations. So it was an early sort of work-from-home or remote location. And there was full permissioning and directed messaging, so a user could tag, could circle a number or a paragraph and say, @Matt Robbins, and it would create an e-mail sent directly to Matt saying Stuart has tagged this part of the spreadsheet or this part of the document and has asked you a question about it. So then the e-mail will let you click on the link and take you directly to the message that I had sent. So that was one aspect of it. The second aspect of it was the audit trail. So any change, a period, a comma, a formula, a number, anything that has changed is perpetually time-stamped with the e-mail address of the person making that change. And then also, another point of differentiation there that existed with the original platform was the live-linking, where a user can copy a number, formula, word or paragraph as a source and then paste it as the destination in another document or spreadsheet or presentation. And so whenever that data is updated at the source, it is also simultaneously updated in the destination, whether that document is opened or not. And so that live-linking greatly reduced the amount of ticking and tying necessary as our customers would typically drive the numbers off of a shared spreadsheet, and they knew that if they changed the number on the spreadsheet that the press release, the Board presentation, the script, all the K, the Q, all the above would be updated automatically, which greatly reduced the risk of an error. And then as we evolved, it's when we spent the last 3.5, 4 years building the new platform. The new platform is built on AWS. It's a microservices-based architecture in which each bit of functionality has its own container. We run about 150 microservices. It's managed in the docker environment. So each bit of functionality, such as authentication, would be an example of a container. Messaging would be another container. That system has APIs that allow us to connect to the ERPs and the applications upstream from us. And that's a new point of differentiation from us because we are -- we have a Switzerland strategy. We are agnostic. But as to who we connect with, we know that there's quite a bit of demand for customers that, say, run SAP HANA, that also want to pull in data from Salesforce and their HRIS systems, such as Workday, into the same report for forecasting purposes or for cost analysis purposes. So that's one of the big changes with the new platform that we've launched. The other -- another one, of course, is that the containerization through -- of the microservices architecture means that product innovation can go much more quickly because the team that is designing the new feature, new functionality, can quickly identify which containers are affected and can ignore the other containers. All the containers communicate with each other through APIs. Previously, the original platform was monolithic code built on Google Cloud. It's served its purpose. But this is a modern platform, and we're very excited about it. We're very far along in getting customers moved over to it. We should have potentially an announcement about that fairly soon. And so we think that the scalability of the new platform will -- is pretty exciting and also the ability to innovate more quickly. Like an example is recent innovations. So we recently announced a new offering for the FERC market, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission market, which came out with the regulatory mandate affecting its 600-or-so companies that are required to file periodically with FERC. And we were able to launch a new solution for that niche market and get it up and running at about 1.5 months using the new platform. Under the old platform, that would have taken quite a long time, if it had been possible at all. Another example is the W for ESEF opportunity, a whole new market for us. So the European Securities and Markets Authority came out with the mandate requiring the 5,300 public companies in Europe to start tagging their financials using Inline XBRL. And we have a high-end product there for the larger companies with more complex offerings and we decided to go and offer a descoped diversion of that product for the middle market. And so we were able to do that in a couple of months on the new platform. We call it W for ESEF.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystThat's very impressive. And congratulations on the replatforming. I know that's a huge undertaking for most businesses, and launching a product in 1.5 months is pretty unheard of. So congratulations, Stuart.
J. Miller
executiveThank you.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystI do want to talk about a little bit more about the compliance market. So you've been the CFO since 2014 and have seen a lot -- much of this change, which you just touched on. The business was founded on, it was called WebFilings. It was founded on that product base. And you -- I think you said what that -- the adjacent markets now account for 72% of subscription, so...
J. Miller
executiveOf new bookings, yes, of new bookings. Yes.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystOf new bookings. Excuse me. Okay. So could you maybe talk about why those adjacent compliance markets are so interesting to you? And how it is that you broadened outside of your original scope so effectively, it seems, into the compliance markets?
J. Miller
executiveSure. So we built really a horizontal platform. It's a platform that could just as easily address the front office as it addresses the middle office and the back office. We -- because the founders had quite a bit of experience on the financial side, there were 2 former public company CFOs who were among the founders, we decided to start with that market because there's nothing like a regulatory mandate to focus the mind. And we also knew that the middle office, the back office, was a little bit slower in adopting the cloud. And this was going to be -- the regulatory mandate would potentially open the market for the middle office and the back office to embrace the cloud. So that's where we started. And then as those same people in the controller's office, the office of the CFO, saw the value that we brought in terms of data management and reducing risk and speeding up their internal processes, it was only natural that we focus on adjacent markets rather than trying to tackle something outside of the office of the CFO. Although again, those markets are available to us for the future for TAM expansion. But all of the in-report complexity, data management complexity and business process complexity exists in things like GRC, governance risk and compliance, and in regulatory markets dealing with the FDIC or the Federal Reserve or the European equivalent.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystSo one of the areas that I noticed -- or to my understanding, that you have not yet expanded into, is financial close. It would appear to me as a natural -- a very close adjacency, you announced a partnership with Trintech earlier this year. So how do you think about that market? Is that one of the things you were mentioning as a potential avenue for future expansion?
J. Miller
executiveYes. So let me draw one distinction there, which is the difference between financial close, which is what -- we actually do that, and the accounting close, which we consider the accounting close to be a subset of the financial close. And so we partner with the leading companies on the accounting close piece. We partner with BlackLine, Trintech and FloQast, for example, who all do accounting close, accounting reconciliation, close consolidation. But the financial close itself is broader because it takes into account the accounting, but also takes into account the FP&A, the writing the MD&A and communicating all of the above. So it's an example of going to market with partners who are more focused on those smaller markets and broadening out our offering and doing it in a way in which we are Switzerland.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystRight. Okay. Yes. That makes a lot of sense. Could you -- do you have any little nuggets for the audience of exciting new products coming down the pipeline that maybe you could highlight for us? Or just tease us a little bit if you can't disclose it fully?
J. Miller
executiveWell, I would encourage you guys. I mean I would encourage everybody to attend the Amplify conference, where there will be some discussion about our road map in the future. There are lots of markets under consideration by our incubation team and lots that we have going on under the hood. Many of them are specific to vertical markets, particularly, let's say, financial services, as an example, where we've recently launched model risk management and BCBS 239 program management. So there are innumerable number of offerings that are specific to insurance and banking and utilities and so forth. And I will defer to my colleagues from the product side to discuss that at Amplify.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystOkay. Fair enough, Stuart. Fair enough. We'll all have to join Amplify. It sounds great. That was actually a nice lead-in to -- I would like to move the conversation to markets and customers. And on the back of this product question, I think it's a nice segue into a Q&A that we just got -- a question we got from the audience. It's about the FERC opportunity. So you mentioned that you recently launched a product. FERC requires adoption of XBRL now, and you are very well-positioned to help people with that. The question is just like how much have you looked into the opportunity? And how much benefit are you expecting from that market and specifically from that product?
J. Miller
executiveFrom FERC?
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystYes. From FERC-regulated, yes.
J. Miller
executiveYes. So FERC regulates about 660 companies. They roll entities. They roll up to about 220, 225 parent companies. It's not a big market on its own. It's probably, to us, it's probably $35 million-or-so. They're all 6-figure deals, though. And what it does for us though is, with very little development cost, gets us into a mandated market for -- in a place where not a lot of those companies are existing customers. And so it really helps open up the relationship with those customers. And we're a land-and-expand company, and if we can get in with the business user and demonstrate the power of the platform in solving a particular problem like how do I meet this mandate from FERC on XBRL tagging, then we can have a much more -- a much deeper dialogue on how Workiva can -- the platform can help the company more broadly. So it's just like ESEF, it's a wedge into -- it's a way to land in the company. And whenever we can land at 6 figures, the CFO is happy.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystYes. Understood. Understood. I imagine more than the CFO is happy as well. So congratulations with that product launch. Another question on markets. So you're best known for, let's say, upmarket sales, right? And especially landing 6-figure deals, most companies in the world cannot afford that type of deal. So I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit about the size of the company you're targeting and if there's any intention to move downmarket with any of your products.
J. Miller
executiveSure. So interestingly, the average subscription value for Workiva is around $70,000, maybe a bit higher than that, a year. And that is well less than the cost of a degreed accountant. So many companies can't afford us in terms of -- we really -- we save quite a bit of time and effort and reduce the risk of an error. So downmarket for us is probably around $50 million to $75 million in revenue, and we do have many private companies at that level. We're not going to go to the $10 million revenue company, though, because typically, their processes are not complex enough to see the benefit. But when you get to be $50 million, $75 million in revenue, particularly if you're growing fast, you can see real benefits from being able to either not hire an additional person or 2 or delay the hiring for quite a while by employing automation like we bring to bear.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystI see. Okay. Okay. Makes sense. Another question related to this. So the majority of your revenue is generated by North American customers. But as you just mentioned, with private companies, SEC filings don't pertain to them particularly. But you still help many companies with many things, compliance. You just mentioned you have a lot of private customers. So it would seem like the whole world could benefit from your products. So how do you think about expansion outside of North America? You mentioned ESEF as one potential avenue. But is that a place you're going? Is that where we should look Workiva to go in the future?
J. Miller
executiveSure. So just to put some numbers to it. So we have, I don't know, over 3,500 customers and about 2,700 of them use us for SEC filing. So that would imply that there are 800 that don't use us for SEC filing, uses entirely for something else. There are another 2,000 publicly traded companies in the U.S. that we are still going after for that particular use case. Again, we have -- for that particular solution, again, we offer 18 solutions. But on a geographic basis, the -- Europe is -- EMEA accounted for about 5% of our revenue in 2019. In the long run, it should be 25% to 30% of revenue. We have been on the ground in Europe since, I guess, 2013, mainly serving U.S. multinationals there. We were looking for an opportunity to accelerate our growth there, and we wanted to do it in an intelligent way. And so we, as soon as the ESMA decided to lock in on this regulatory mandate, we began hiring aggressively in EMEA. So that was about 12 months ago. We believe that, that regulatory mandate would help our sales team obtain meetings with decision-makers sooner, and again, not necessarily to sell the ESEF product, but to get the right decision-makers there to talk about digital transformation of the office of the CFO, which is one of our main themes. And so we wanted to stack the deck in our favor. It's going well, and we're optimistic about our growth opportunity in EMEA. We're also very optimistic about our growth opportunity in North America, both in terms of add-on sales as the middle and back office continues to move to the cloud in all the adjacent markets and with private companies who are beginning to also move to the cloud in that arena. They've all had good experiences in the cloud in their front office with Salesforce and Marketo and others. In our -- the IT departments now understand that the cloud is not there to take away their jobs and that there are good careers to be had in the IT departments of these big companies, and the cloud is an opportunity, not a threat. So we're playing that also -- that theme as well, the move to the cloud and the digital transformation of the office of the CFO. And I think that that's very early innings...
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystSorry. What geography? You mentioned -- I missed the geography you're talking about right now.
J. Miller
executiveWell, the second part of the geography was North America as well just with the add-on sales of the existing customers and also with the private companies and governments.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystDo you have any focus on expanding into the APAC region? Does that make sense?
J. Miller
executiveYes. So we have offices in Singapore, Hong Kong and Australia. They are our early efforts. We have had some early success there. We -- just as we went into Europe, we went into Asia to follow multinationals, European and U.S. multinationals that have people on the ground there who need customer support. And we've made some limited investments in APAC, but it's a very promising market. We're likely to -- we are going to be doing it differently there. We're not going to be hiring a big direct sales team. We'll be working through partners, and we'll have a sales team that's focused on partner enablement. But we feel that we'll be making some select investments there, but we've got such a great opportunity yet in North America and Europe that we really feel like we need to focus on North America and Europe for now.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystRight. Right. Yes. So I just have a question. It's sort of backing up a bit. It seems like you've reviewed opportunities for you to sell in the compliance markets, into private companies, relatively downmarket into EMEA and APAC. You can sell it to pretty much anyone, anywhere, it sounds like. So could you give me a sense for why would somebody not buy your products? I mean if they're not into cloud deployments, potentially that's a reason, though it's diminishing quickly, but why would somebody not buy a Workiva product?
J. Miller
executiveYes. So we have -- we've seen even some large companies just have a very hard time getting off of on-prem solutions. It's different. It's threatening. And they take a long time to decide. It follows -- I mean going back to Geoffrey Moore, there's the classic demand curve where you've got early adopters and then you hit the middle part. And we're just -- we're beginning to hit the middle part, and then there will always be sort of late adopters as well. Part of it also is, within the office of the CFO, there are different decision-makers and influencers. Typically, the office of the general counsel is not one that's out looking to adopt new technology, and they can be very influential. Sometimes controllers are very forward-thinking, sometimes they're not. And so one of the benefits, if I could put it this way, of COVID was to really give a kick in the pants to the move to the cloud as some of the doubters saw the huge benefit of being able to work remotely in a seamless way and collaborate seamlessly. And that was always a theoretical discussion when people were sitting next to each other. And now it's really -- it's been made real for them.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystRight. Okay. Yes. So I do want to spend -- we have just 5 minutes left. I just want to spend a few minutes talking about the COVID topic. It seems like we -- that's an important one for everyone on the phone, surely. So you just mentioned COVID giving people a kick in the pants to convert to cloud. So I want to talk about business impacts for you. So you -- I believe you, earlier this year, you withdrew your full year guidance when COVID was max uncertainty. And it seems like you've gotten your hands around the impact a bit more now and you've reinstated guidance. And so maybe you could just give, at a high level, a minute on how you expect COVID to impact Workiva, both from a product standpoint and then also from a financial standpoint?
J. Miller
executiveSure. So we do think there was a shock impact on buying behavior in March and April. But thereafter, for companies that were outside the hardest-hit sectors like travel and retailing and energy, we saw buying behavior normalize outside those markets. We saw greater interest in work remote solutions like ours as they as I mentioned earlier, companies moving to cloud because they saw on-prem was untenable. So from our perspective, we started to see -- predict greater predictability on the pipeline. So we have a scoring mechanism on our pipeline, and it began to play out as predicted. And so we did, when we reinstated guidance, it was interesting when we reinstated, and we reinstated at basically on top of the same revenue guidance we had given in February, pre-COVID. And our guidance on operating income was quite a bit better, operating loss was quite a bit lower because of the restrictions on travel and going to virtual events as opposed to in-person events, which, of course, is giving us pause to rethink the amount of travel that we're doing beforehand. So we haven't seen a big impact on our business other than that initial sort of in the first quarter sort of delay of closing and a few lost logos for travel and retailing. And we did see a return to normalcy, June into July. And so we're pretty optimistic at this stage.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystThat's great. Yes. One of the things that I noticed in the international market was, we talked about it earlier, that the FCA had been looking to adopt ESEF, which is a nonelectronic format that you can help with, but they're delaying mandatory adoption. Did you see anything else like that happening in the world?
J. Miller
executiveYes. Yes. It's sort of interesting. So they proposed it. We expected them -- we do expect them to, the U.K. piece of it, about, I guess, 1,400 companies out of the 5,300. We do expect the U.K. to delay it. The only issue there is they've not -- their comment period has ended, but they have not come out yet, unless they did it today, to say that they are definitely delaying. They have to wait to see what happens with Brexit. If they have a hard Brexit, then they can delay it. If they have a soft Brexit, which is still possible, then they would have to -- they would probably stick with it. We don't see it affecting -- whether they delay or not, we don't see a behavior changing among the customers. The bigger companies are -- know that they're going to have to comply eventually, and they're moving ahead with compliance. And so to us, it's not a big event.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystOkay. Great. Well, we are pushing up on time, Stuart. I don't know if you have any other things that you would like the audience to know that I didn't ask about.
J. Miller
executiveNo. Just for the late joiners, I recommend you go to workiva.com and sign up for Workiva Amplify. It's free. The register button is at the top of the page, and there should be some track that interests you and you'll be hearing our customers talk about how they use our product. It won't be a 50-minute advertisement. So thanks to Deutsche Bank for inviting -- yes. Well, thanks for inviting us to your conference. We appreciate it very much.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystAbsolutely. Thank you very much to Stuart for joining and to our audience for asking great questions. Everyone, sign up for Workiva Amplify, and have a great rest of the conference.
J. Miller
executiveThanks, Matt.
Matthew Robbins;Deutsche Bank;Analyst
analystBye all. Thanks, Stuart. Bye.
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