WW International, Inc. (WW) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
December 2, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
William Reuter
analystGood afternoon. This is Bill Reuter. I am the high-yield retail and kind of retail-related services analyst here at Bank of America. Thanks for joining us this afternoon. Very pleased to have the team from WW here, formerly known as Weight Watchers. We have Amy O'keefe, who's the Chief Financial Officer; and Nick Hotchkin, who's the Chief Operating Officer with us today. Amy and Nick, thank you for joining us.
Amy O'keefe
executiveHappy being here, Bill.
Nicholas Hotchkin
executiveThank you very much for having us.
Amy O'keefe
executiveThank you.
William Reuter
analystGreat. Well, I guess, starting things off, 2020 has been a year full of change, and WW has been very well positioned to pivot away from some of their business that traditionally was done in brick-and-mortar from the Studio business towards a lot more penetration in digital. Can you talk about what you believe that the role of Studio is going to be once the pandemic has passed?
Nicholas Hotchkin
executiveYes, absolutely. Look, I'll kick off on that. And look, I think you saw in our strong Q3 results what WW is becoming. We're a technology company. Look, having offered digital solutions to our members for nearly 2 decades with our digital platform and a fantastic digital wellness ecosystem and app. And -- but we grew digital subscribers by 23% and had terrific margins associated with digital subscription business, 60% gross margins for the second quarter in a row, showing that promise. So look, the shift to digital has been important for us. 90% of the people who joined us in Q3, joined us to do our program exclusively digitally. But we were a digital company before COVID. That same stat was probably 70% or so digital mix pre-COVID. But yes, look COVID certainly has accelerated our digital transformation and we think it's a great long-term growth business for us with margin upside potential. And importantly, as we enter our winter season, we're innovating even more. So look, coming to the second piece of your question, if you will, what does that mean for Studio once the pandemic has passed or subsided, and we believe it will. But we believe that face-to-face interaction is important. So if we look at our key differentiators, our science, of course, our ability to bring people and communities together, the heritage of WW has always been that face-to-face has been important, and it will be important going forward but in the midst of a smaller studio footprint. So one of the biggest things we did this year was in 6 days, shipped all of our workshops business virtual. We'll be relaunching that business this winter with marching cloud behind it. That enables us to rightsize our Studio footprint to demand. What we mean by that? We'll enter this winter with no more than 650 WW branded locations and up to about 250 more casual hotel locations to serve our members face-to-face. That footprint in the U.S. down by about 70% versus what it was pre-COVID, but still allows us to serve about 80% of our members within a 30-minute drive. So continued digital growth, rightsizing of our face-to-face Studio business and relaunching our virtual workshops business with other innovations in winter too that I'm sure we'll get to, bringing the immersive your coach, your community way of doing WW into the virtual world. So yes, bottom line, been a challenging year for all of us, but thrilled with how the team has worked through it, and you're really seeing what a growth and margin powerhouse this digital-first company can be.
William Reuter
analystThat's a very useful commentary. And in terms of COVID's impact on the company in general, consumer behavior has changed in so many ways, what's important to consumers, how do you believe that COVID impacted this year in terms of engagement from consumers in general? And I guess the end of the pandemic, how do you believe that, that's going to change and to kind of demand for the entire category?
Amy O'keefe
executiveSure. Nick, I can start this one-off and then you can add some color, if that's okay.
Nicholas Hotchkin
executiveOf course.
Amy O'keefe
executiveBill, obviously, COVID has changed every aspect of our lives personally, of our members, of our employees, the way we work, the way we live and the way we engage with our -- with WW. On the downside, it's had the obvious impact of impacting our members' ability to visit an in-person studio and have that face-to-face experience that Nick talked about. However, given the strength of the digital platform and the company's objectives and goals even before the pandemic, which were associated with growing our digital platform, making it more personalized, providing content to reach different cohorts of members. From my view, and Bill, we talked about this a little bit, I was watching -- I've been with the company now for 2 months and so I was watching the company's response to the pandemic really from the sidelines but the pivot that Nick talked about that the digital platform or technology platform enabled us to do really allowed the company to reach our members in a tremendously different environment. And so on the upside to all of this, COVID didn't really slow the team down. And that's what made me so excited when I was finally able to join the company at the beginning of October. It really just accelerated all the priorities that the company was working on with the myWW+ launch in quarter 4, with the Digital 360 product and innovation coming out shortly behind. So I think that we were really able to accelerate our progress on some of those key initiatives. And then you have the compounding effect that COVID has forced people to really focus on health and wellness more than they have before, and we really feel like the company was a bit of the right company at the right time with the right platform to be able to continue to support our members through this really challenging time.
Nicholas Hotchkin
executiveLook, I think that's so right, Amy. You'll never hear me say that I'm thrilled with 2020 absolute results for WW because, of course, coming into this year, we had such a fantastic start with myWW, and we were well on the way to growing revenue and profitability nicely in 2020 until COVID struck. And obviously, we look forward to getting back to growth. What I'm thrilled within that context though that getting to the point where in Q3, operating income matched last year, just shows how well the team has responded. And then also, at the start of COVID, if you told me that we'd be launching myWW+ launching Digital 360 and virtual workshops, new ways to show up and do WW, I've been pleased that the innovation engine has continued a pace, and we got a strong platform going into this winter.
William Reuter
analystIt's as if we had just worked on that handoff, but those were my next question. So Digital 360, can you explain a little bit more about this new product that's launching next year? I guess, I think it's priced in between the traditional digital and the Digital + Studio, but closer to Digital. Can you talk about like who the program is targeting? How quickly you think it may be adopted? How meaningful it is in terms of an opportunity? And then just the functional differences.
Amy O'keefe
executiveNick, do you want to lead off on that one?
Nicholas Hotchkin
executiveYes, okay. Yes, yes. So look, it's a big step forward for us. And bear in mind, look, the overarching program news this year is myWW+ that every member gets with new features and benefits across the wellness pillars of food, activity, mindset and sleep. So everybody is getting an innovation -- probably our biggest non-food plan innovation ever myWW+. Now within that, yes, we're very excited about Digital 360. Because in terms of broadening our appeal and reach to newer and diverse audiences, Digital 360 is an important strategy. We've been aging down this year. Last Q3 '19, something like mid-40s, 46% or so of the people who joined us were under 45, it was, I think, 52% this Q3. So good progress, but we knew, as part of our strategy, we needed to launch what we call essentially looks as a program designed by millennials for millennials. And so Digital 360, priced in between digital and workshops. We'll be doing some price testing here in the next few weeks. It's a coach, community and content-centric experience with a mixture of live and on-demand content, led by an entirely new cohort of coaches who are experts at different aspects of wellness and that will appeal to different members. And we see -- envisage members following multiple coaches on their journey. And it really shows how we learned and expanded on the success of both the Oprah-led Vision Tour and the virtual tour that we did afterwards, it's kind of taking -- which, by the way, was produced internally by our team is taking those talented people and having them turn their skills towards community and contact-centric experience for this new audience. So we're launching it in the U.S. and the U.K. to start with, with other markets being rolled out I'm sure later in 2021.
William Reuter
analystThat's helpful. The -- I guess a couple of questions, a couple of financial questions for the fixed income investors who would like to focus on details. The first is, you do have these 650 branded studios, 250 hotels. What are the terms of the leases here? I guess investors would just be interested in learning what are the abilities to reduce those in the event that demand may have permanently shifted away from studio.
Nicholas Hotchkin
executiveIt's a lot better footprint than when I was managing network at a big box retailer, but I'll let Amy describe it.
Amy O'keefe
executiveSo I agree with that, Nick. Overall, we've got a relatively flexible footprint to start with. The leased space that we do have are not long-term leases. There are ranges, but on average, for the 650 branded studio locations that we have, the average lease term's around 2 years. And so we've got a lot of flexibility even with the spaces that we lease. And obviously, we -- as the company has demonstrated with the cost-savings plan, we've got a lot of flexibility to get cost out fairly quickly. So for example, the 650 branded studios, Bill, that you mentioned, we started the year 18% higher than that. So that number is already down pretty substantially. Worth noting also that these hotel locations have been replacing that traditional, what I would call, flexible variable model. Historically, there would be meetings in places like churches, it was a pay-as-you-go type of flexible arrangement. Those locations are down almost 90% since pre-pandemic. And what I really like about that structure, sort of bringing down the fixed cost of the lease model to a more flexible model is that it really transforms our cost base into more variable versus fixed. And so as we rightsize our cost structure to meet the demand of our members in this really uncertain environment, we can make sure that we're flexing our cost base at the same time. And so I would expect for the company to continue to have a laser focus on sizing the cost structure to demand and trying to improve the mix of fixed and variable costs over time.
William Reuter
analystYes. That brings me to my next question, which -- there was an announcement of a relatively large $100 million of expenses that had been taken out of the P&L due to COVID, but the company has been able to operate so well through the environment. Were any of these cost reductions permanent? Or have the majority been returned to the P&L at this point?
Amy O'keefe
executiveSo we do believe that a significant portion of that $100 million savings plan will be permanent. And let me just go back and reflect on the plan that the company announced at the beginning of this -- of the pandemic. So the $100 million was intended to be split about 1/3 and 1/3 between operating expenses or cost of services, marketing and G&A, with the thought that really the marketing and G&A expenses, which had a lot of things like salary cuts and compensation-related items in addition to corporate headcount. But the marketing and G&A could have been more temporary in nature, while the OpEx, we believe, would be permanent. Fast forward to 6 months later, really what we've uncovered is that we're going to achieve that $100 million slightly in excess of that $100 million with about 50% of the savings in operating expenses or cost of services that we believe that will -- that we believe will be more permanent in nature. We certainly aren't going to continue the environment of the salary cuts that we had in G&A and marketing, we believe to be a really effective tool in our toolkit in order to drive recruitment. And so we expect for those -- while used more efficiently, and I think the team has done an incredible job at looking at ways of improving marketing efficiency over time, but we don't expect to make those permanent.
Nicholas Hotchkin
executiveYes. Look, so right, Amy. Look, the only thing I'd add to that is the context that we continued to invest in growth and innovation at the same time. Obviously, look, on myWW+ and Digital 360, but on longer-term innovations that we're already hard at work or what we'll launch a year from now, for example. In addition, investing growth levers like e-commerce was so important for us. So we didn't have e-commerce in our app until March and prior to that, we sold consumer products, basically consumables tend to be lower point alternatives to help people on that journey. But we sold them primarily in our WW Studio. So it was essential that we invested in the e-commerce platforms. And this year, that will probably be about a $80 million revenue business for us and only about 10% of WW members are currently purchasing in the app. So launched a great business with terrific growth potential going forward, while also taking care of cost.
William Reuter
analystThat's good to hear that some of those costs are permanent, those savings. The company always describes their competition as being broad, whether it's gyms, counselors, digital programs, food, supplements. I guess in terms of just digital or in-person counseling, have you seen a change in the level of competition? Do you believe that there have been new entrants that have been taking any meaningful amount of share? And how do you make sure that you're well positioned to be essentially better than those areas of competition?
Nicholas Hotchkin
executiveLook, it's a great, great question. So I'll start. I know Amy has a perspective on it, too, not least based on recent due diligence to decide to join us, and we're very glad she did. So look, I'm paranoid about every competitor, especially after what we went through in '13, where we are a little bit asleep behind the wheel as the mobile revolution really kicked in, in our space. So we are very focused on all forms of competition. But the biggest competition we truly have is people thinking that they don't need to sign up for a program that they can achieve their healthy lifestyle goals by themselves. And that's why there's room for us to do very well in this space and other people to do space well. There's a huge TAM in the U.S. alone, we're probably only about 3% or so into our TAM in the United States. So we've got other great international growth opportunities. So there's always competition. What helps WW's long-term success really is those key underpinnings of our program. Obviously, look, a fantastic digital like experience is so important, and we're thrilled with it. But the science behind our program and our ability to put the human touch on technology and build communities, both digitally and in person is really what sets WW part.
Amy O'keefe
executiveAnd I'll just add to that, Nick is absolutely right in evaluating my decision to join the company. The asset of the science that works that has been in a leadership position of commercial weight management for 50, 60 years I think is a key competitive advantage. And I think we've got a program that works with technology that enables it. And I think that as a company, we focus on leveraging the assets and the advantages that we have and try not to focus as much on what everybody else is doing, but just ensuring that we've got a proven weight management program that we know will work for our members.
William Reuter
analystYes. And in terms, one of the growth opportunities here has been the acquisition of franchises. I guess what do you see in terms of the opportunity at this point? How meaningful is it? And I guess how many -- are there -- are these generally 1 or 2 facility operations or regional operations? Or are these -- is it a handful of franchisees that are much larger and that -- so buying them you can kind of do in larger groups?
Amy O'keefe
executiveSo I can start on this one and Nick, you can chime in. So as we mentioned in the Q3 call, we did just recently acquired the Arizona franchise business, which was the third largest franchise in the U.S., but on a relative basis, the remaining franchise businesses post that acquisition, it's only about 9% of the U.S. market. And while we began as a franchise business, there's no longer a significant portion of the market to reacquire. We continue to evaluate these acquisitions and try to acquire as we think there's a value in doing so. And you may see us continue to try to pick these up over time if we think that there's a good return.
Nicholas Hotchkin
executiveLook, I think that's right. And look, in terms of capital structure philosophy and strategy, we say every time we speak to the market, we're focused with a highly cash-generative business, investing in our business for growth and maintaining a strong liquidity, but reducing leverage continues to be a capital structure priority for us, and we can do that and invest in our growth while also having selected acquisitions, be they, as Amy discussed, the franchise opportunity within -- like they tend to be immediately accretive or selective tuck-in technology acquisitions that have worked well for us in the past.
William Reuter
analystOnce again, Nick, you've led directly into my next question. But with regard to the company's free cash flow, the company does a lot, CapEx is pretty low, at least on a maintenance basis. In terms of, I guess, a leverage target at this point, I don't think the company has one. So I guess can you confirm that indeed, you don't have a leverage target, but what do you think about in terms of goals, whether those could be rating specific, what you think you can issue debt at from a coupon perspective? How do you think about debt and leverage?
Amy O'keefe
executiveSo clearly, as we talked about on the call, we're comfortable with our balance sheet position. And to your point, we generate a lot of cash in the subscription model. And again, one of the more attractive aspects of the business that certainly impacted my decision to join. I'm constantly focused on the balance sheet, reducing leverage is an overall capital structure priority for me. And I think that we will continue to try to take advantage of the market right now to reduce our principal and interest burden. We ended Q3 at about 3.7x net debt to adjusted EBITDAS or 2.8x on a first lien basis. Our goal is to certainly try to reduce that net debt-to-EBITDAS ratio to below 3.5x. But I think more importantly, right now, in the near term, trying to take advantage of more attractive rates in the marketplace is something that we'll be looking at.
William Reuter
analystYes. I guess that's kind of my next question or my last 2 questions. One, it seems like the coupon on your bonds is relatively high and there might be an opportunity for you to refinance those. Is this something which you guys have an eye to do this in 2021? Or what your thoughts are there?
Amy O'keefe
executiveSo we certainly -- we're certainly watching the rates, there's no doubt about that and we think we've got certainly some opportunity to bring that down. The maturity on that bond isn't until 2025, but the maturity on our term loan is 2024. So we've got a little bit of time to think through. But if we do find some attractive opportunities to reprice, we would definitely be open to reducing our interest expense going forward.
Nicholas Hotchkin
executiveYes. look, since I did the tail end of '17 restructuring, but clearly, look, I thought so at the time, I thought so even more now with capital markets and environment and our progress as a company. Yes, clearly, the rates on our debt are too high. I mean we have certainly flexibility. And look, the bond is callable. So yes, we'll continue to assess opportunities.
William Reuter
analystJust one last one, if I can sneak it in. Given that you will be, by my estimates, below 3.5x in the not-too-distant future, at that point, would you consider some more shareholder-friendly activities, whether that's accelerated share repurchases or a dividend? I guess what are your thoughts on some of those activities?
Amy O'keefe
executiveFrom my perspective, and then Nick certainly has a point of view on this as well. From my perspective, this business has so many opportunities for growth, and if we get our leverage ratio down below -- to a reasonable level and take advantage of any repricing or pricing benefit that comes along with a lower leverage, I would be focused on investing to accelerate the growth of the business because I think there are so many opportunities to do that with fairly low share positions even in the core markets that we serve.
Nicholas Hotchkin
executiveYes. Look, I just -- absolutely, I just reiterate that reducing our leverage is our overall capital structure priority. And with a good winter and the cash-generative nature of our business, leverage on the business can come down quickly. Look, that said, yes, no current plans for share buybacks or dividend initiation.
William Reuter
analystEverything credit investors want to hear. All right. Well, Amy and Nick, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate you participating in the conference. To all of the investors who dialed in, thank you so much. We're obviously nearing the end of the conference, but I hope everyone has a handful of good meetings for the remainder of the day. Thanks a lot.
Amy O'keefe
executiveThank you. Take care.
Read the full transcript via the API
You're viewing the first half of this call. Get the complete WW International, Inc. transcript — plus 255,000+ transcripts from 12,000+ companies, speaker segments, AI summaries and full-text search — through the EarningsCalls.dev API.
Get the API View API docs →This call discussed
For developers and AI pipelines
Programmatic access to WW International, Inc. earnings transcripts and 255,000+ others is available through the
EarningsCalls.dev REST API. Plans from $24.99/month — full transcripts, speaker segments,
full-text search, and the recently-added /api/v1/transcripts/recent polling endpoint for ETL pipelines.