Alnylam Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (ALNY) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
June 3, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Ronny Gal
analystHi, everybody, and thank you for joining us today. Our first meeting today of this morning is with John Maraganore, the CEO of Alnylam, and I hope I'm not destroying his name too much. RNAi technology has been one of our topics of interest for a really long time. One of those areas where the science and companies actually is ahead of the science in the academia. And John and his team have been one of the leading organizations in this deal. So John, thank you very much for taking the time and joining us today.
John Maraganore
executiveThank you, Ronny. It's great to be here.
Ronny Gal
analystAnd John, why won't you take a few minutes and introduce Alnylam to those of us who have not been as exposed to the name before?
John Maraganore
executiveYes, happy to do that, Ronny. Well, Alnylam is the leading company in advancing RNAi therapeutics as a whole new class of medicines. Alnylam really has been the pioneer in doing this. And that's best indicated by the fact that we brought 4 RNAi therapeutic products to the market, which we're very proud of. This includes ONPATTRO, GIVLAARI, OXLUMO, which we're directly commercializing on a global basis, but also Leqvio, which is being commercialized by our partners at Novartis. That field is currently approved in the EU. What's exciting about all these medicines that we've been able to bring to market is that we believe that they're truly transformative medicines for patients. These are medicines that we believe have been life-changing for the patient communities that we serve. So clearly, the commercial story behind Alnylam, which is the newer part of our story since 2018, is off to a terrific start and we're really proud of where that's going. In addition, we have a portfolio of over a dozen programs in active clinical development. This includes vutrisiran, which is in registration. That is, if approved, likely to be our fifth RNAi therapeutic that we bring to market. And then also, we have some important life cycle management programs with our ONPATTRO and vutrisiran programs to open up the ATTR amyloidosis opportunity for Alnylam with wild-type ATTR, if those studies are positive. And also notably, within our clinical portfolio, we have some important prevalent disease programs, including a program in hypertension and NASH. Now in addition to the clinical portfolio, we -- the third leg of the stool, as I'd like to refer to it, is really the preclinical effort with an organic product engine for sustainable innovation, something which is really unique in biotech to have an organic source for sustained medicines going into the clinic. We have been delivering 2 to 4 INDs per year. By the end of '25, we expect to have 4 or more INDs per year. And within this basket, is included an important preclinical program, ALN-APP, which targets amyloid precursor protein which is about to go into the clinic. Now all of this, Ronny, is encapsulated with our Alnylam P5x25 strategy that we announced earlier this year, which really marks Alnylam's transition toward a top biotech over the next 5 years.
Ronny Gal
analystSo let's start with this, essentially, the transition you're now going to. You have been an R&D company. You begin to commercialize in the orphan market, which is actually seems to be not too much of a transition for R&D companies because you're dealing mostly with physician scientists on the other side. We're now talking about expanding that beyond targeting tertiaries, research centers and going into a broader treater population as far as some of your ideas for primary care. In terms of the organization, in terms of what you need to have, what are the pieces that are missing that you're currently trying to build?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. No, that's a great question, Ronny. And let me start by just framing the opportunity a little bit. And we're very excited about this transition of the company beyond rare diseases. Very importantly, we're not going to move away from rare diseases. We have a number of portfolio programs that will stay in the rare disease space. But we are -- we do think there's a very important opportunity for expanding RNAi therapeutics into more prevalent chronic diseases. And this has been really presaged by Leqvio, which is the product that Novartis has brought to market. It's an Alnylam innovation. It is -- has been approved in Europe for the treatment of hypercholesterolemia and mixed dyslipidemia, obviously, an incredibly prevalent disease. But what's really important about the Leqvio story is the fact that they were able to demonstrate a truly impressive effect on LDL cholesterol, a very encouraging safety profile, really indistinguishable from placebo, just really highlighting the safety features of RNAi therapeutics, which makes it amenable to these prevalent type of opportunities, but very importantly, the durability of effect. So with Leqvio, they're able to achieve an over 50% reduction of LDL-cholesterol with a buying annual dosing regimen. So almost a vaccine-like approach for the treatment of hypercholesterolemia, which is really exciting. And there are many aspects of that, which really help on the access side as well because these would be HCP-administered drugs, part of a Part B reimbursement program, which would be, I think, a favorable place to be from an overall market access perspective as well. Now we have a number of assets that are in prevalent disease opportunities right now. This includes ALN-AGT for the treatment of hypertension. That's about to start Phase II. That's a program that we do intend to commercialize on our own. It includes a program with Regeneron, targeting NASH, ALN-HSD and a preclinical program that we'll bring into the clinic later this year in the area of gout. Your question is a good one on how do we think about commercializing products in this space? And I'll start by saying the whole commercialization model is going to change. This includes the type of agreements that, for example, Novartis formed with the NHS around Leqvio, a true private -- public-private partnership approach to bring medicines that really address public health issues to patient populations that are at risk. We believe that, that can be expanded in the U.S. as well with major provider systems in this country. So the typical approach of saying, okay, we have to have thousands of boots on the ground to address these prevalent disease opportunities, especially when they represent public health matters and public health issues is, I think, a model that will change significantly. Obviously, in the future, if we need to get additional boots on the ground, we can form a promotional agreement with a larger pharmaceutical company, but we don't need to do that at this point, and we certainly intend to commercialize a product like ALN-AGT directly given the fact that we'll be building up a cardiology-based sales and marketing effort to support, if successful, our wild-type ATTR market expansion.
Ronny Gal
analystOkay. So there's kind of a natural synergy for you specifically in the cardiology specialist office. I understand that.
John Maraganore
executiveYes.
Ronny Gal
analystThe other -- there are 2 more things that you -- since you brought up. I want to talk a little bit about this issue of shifting drugs from the pharmacy-distributed product to the physician-administered product. Because in a way, there are 2 things that happen. First, you do create additional cost for the health care system because there's going to be some sort of an administration fee and the physician office fee that will take place. Rent at 6 months, that doesn't feel like too much. But second, you're going to have to take a group of physicians and convince them it's not -- it's medically significantly better or financially advantageous to use this. And at the same time, you are going to have to deal with payers, whether they are commercial because I guess the age of hypertension or hypercholesterolemia is not all Medicare population or it's maybe half or so Medicare population. And the second one being you do have Medicare Advantage plan, which are now 40% of the Medicare market. So how do you do it was that tension because my discussions with payers in the United States were not -- they were immediately suspicious of this idea. Might be they'll accept it, but they had some suspicions immediately that jump to their heads about what was being happening here. So please?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. Look, I mean, the benefit of a physician-administered drug that is very infrequently administered once every 6 months, is that you can achieve a level of patient adherence to medicine which is fundamentally different than what you have with orally administered drugs or even self-administered drugs that are given subcutaneously very frequently. And the benefit of that, Ronny, is really -- for the healthcare system, is really quite important. We know, for example, that over 50% of patients that receive a prescription for hypertension medicine, within one year, stop taking that medicine. And yet, we know that hypertension is the #1 modifiable risk factor for cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. So while you can look at the cost of administration as being increased by virtue of approaches like this, the overall cost of the system by improving adherence and therefore improving outcomes at a population level is fundamentally better. And so we think that's the balance that has to be made at the end of the day. We like the balance in terms of how it provides better results for patients, if patients stay adherent to their therapies.
Ronny Gal
analystSo there are 2 things. Obviously, there is the issue of the misincentives along the way, right, because you're taking money out of one pocket, moving to the other and there's no rebates. The PBMs don't see the cost, but the MCOs do. So there's a whole list of heads that are here. But you're really dependent on this actually increasing adherence, okay? So there are 2 things that I kind of want to push on this. First of all, I can see this happening in the U.K. context, where there's more of a centralized authority. It's tough to do in the U.S. market. And second, there is clearly an effort by CMS to push for a follow-on of non-combined patients in diabetes and hypertension, there's now pools of money being directed that way. They're now companies being built to take advantage of this. So there clearly is an effort there. And I'm just wondering if these efforts advantage you or disadvantage you because, obviously, the adherence of the self-injected product might go up as well.
John Maraganore
executiveYes. Well, look, I think it'd be great if the adherence to self-injected products or self-administered products goes up as well. I don't think it will ever get to the level that it should be at and what the level that can be achieved with an HCP-administered product running at the end of the day. Again, it does rely on a very infrequent dose administration approach, which is enabled by the RNAi pharmacology. So RNAi has opened up that biannual dosing approach, which is very unique, and it really almost makes it vaccine-like for the management of these very prevalent diseases. So I don't think even with efforts to improve adherence with pharmacy benefit approaches, I don't think you're ever going to achieve the level of adherence that could be done with a very simple, biannual, low volume, well-tolerated subcutaneous injection.
Ronny Gal
analystSo quick -- so if we think about that gap, call it, 70% compliance or 50% compliance with a monthly subcu injection, how much of that gap do you think you can close?
John Maraganore
executiveWell, I mean, if it's 50%, 70% with a monthly subcu injection, I think we can get asymptotically closer to 100%. I mean, obviously, nothing is going to ever get to 100%, but we can make a big dent in that gap.
Ronny Gal
analystInteresting. So you think the majority -- you think that the main reason of noncompliance is just this issue of I don't want to take my -- I'm still going to see my physician, but I don't feel like taking my drug this month, why forget [indiscernible] do you think that's the major reason?
John Maraganore
executiveOut of body, out of mind. These are generally drugs that are treating silent diseases. Silent diseases that can lead to irreversible/mortal consequences, but they're silent diseases. And so patients don't feel compelled to necessarily be adherent. But if they're seeing their physician twice a year, and they're getting a drug as part of that physician visit, it could be a game-changer from an adherence standpoint.
Ronny Gal
analystGot it. So let's talk the other side of that coin. You have a bunch of physician-administered drugs today, ONPATTRO being the main one. But during the epidemic, we've seen a large surge of home infusion of those products. That creates an interesting dynamic. The physicians that treat the patients, obviously, make a very large margin over a product, at the price of, [ let's say ], $100,000 if they get 6% to 8%, depends on who the payer is for it, and now suddenly that money disappeared because it went to a specialty pharmacy. And on the other hand, the payers were quite happy with this because they weren't paying the 6% to 8% to the physician in the office. And frankly, if it was in the hospital and the hospital usually double the cost that is charged to the insurance. And now that the epidemic is unwinding, there's a room for those guys to come back and not have the home treatment. But both the patients themselves and certainly, the insurance wouldn't mind so much if they continue to have the home administration. So help me out in terms of those dynamics because they're really fascinating. What happened during the epidemic, what's happening now and how do you project this forward?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. Well, let's just talk about the U.S. market. It's a little bit different.
Ronny Gal
analystSure, yes. Specifically, U.S. Yes.
John Maraganore
executiveYes. But let's talk about the U.S. market because that's where the dynamic exists. We had, after the start of the pandemic, so if we looked at our 2019 home infusion numbers in the U.S. and then where we ended up at the end of 2020, we ended up going from about less than 10% at the beginning of 2020 to about 20% at the end of 2020. So a significant increase, about 1/5 of our infusions are given in the home for ONPATTRO. And by the way, the other drugs we have are given subcutaneously, ONPATTRO is the only infused drug. So let's keep that in mind as well. But ONPATTRO infusions went up from 10% to about 20%. So not a huge increase but a pretty important increase. Our focus has always been on what's best for patients? How do we help the patient? Obviously, through the pandemic, many patients were reticent to go to a major hospital to get their infusion. In some cases, we were able to find infusion centers for the patients so that they can go to a closer infusion center and feel more comfortable with that as well. But then also, we opened up home infusion as well. So our team was very focused on really supporting the patient community through all this so that they're treatments could be taken place at the appropriate sites of care. And we continue to see extremely high adherence rates of our ONPATTRO therapy, over 90%, even during the pandemic. So Q2 was a bit harder last year and there were some skip doses and issues there related to shifting sites of care for patients. But ultimately, we got through it. And we do think that, that is the right answer for patients. Now other than that, Ronny, there are so many complicated economic factors and we don't really comment on them so much because they're complex at the end of the day. There's definitely a dynamic, as you say, for physicians wanting to administer these drugs. We understand that dynamic in the U.S. market. At the end of the day, we try to do what's right for patients, first and foremost.
Ronny Gal
analystSo you are -- I believe that cost of ONPATTRO is around $450,000 per annual treatment.
John Maraganore
executiveThat's right.
Ronny Gal
analystSo that is the price point where you have direct relationship with each one of your patients?
John Maraganore
executiveThat is right. That's correct. The patient co-pays are very low because this is a Part B administered drug. Patients often have Medicare Advantage plans that enable very attractive lack of co-pays really, patients that are on commercial plans, we have a patient assistance program as well. So the -- about 80% of our patients have 0 co-pays associated with our...
Ronny Gal
analystYes. That's -- pharma needs to do that to make sure that the drug continue to be administered. And the other question I have there. So essentially, you're not going to give me too much on how you guys are managing the tension between the physician group and the insurers, but let me just take another angle of this, which is the 340B angle. And roughly what percentage of your market is 340B?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. Again, Ronny, we haven't given those specific numbers out publicly. But we clearly have 340B exposure within our portfolio without a doubt.
Ronny Gal
analystIf I was a hospital, I would make sure every patient got be treated in 340B institution. Every oncology center in New York City is based -- is a 340B institution, although the city is not exactly the poor city in the United States. Maybe I could -- maybe you wouldn't mind to talk about the trend here. I mean there's been an expanding trend for 340B, some of the -- at least the primary care groups have been getting to the point where they act on this. What is -- what are you seeing in terms of the expansion of the use of 340B as a percentage of the overuse of the products? And especially for your subcutaneous products? And you were the Chairman of BIO. What is the direction the industry is going to take to -- well, that's -- firstly, we can talk about the trends, and then I'll have the follow-up.
John Maraganore
executiveYes. I mean, Ronny, again, I'm going to disappoint you without -- with not being able to really get into a lot of the details here. As it relates to our business, I can only speak from a general sense that we are seeing more 340B utilization taking place. And from a BIO perspective, what I can say is, it certainly is a program whose expansion is a bit concerning to the industry. I don't think there's any secrets about that. And we certainly would like to make sure that the 340B program is appropriately used as it was originally designed to be used and not to expand economic value for hospital systems at the end of the day. So that's really probably all I can say now, Ronny.
Ronny Gal
analystOkay. So maybe I'll just do one last follow-up on this and say, how many years are we away on the current trend from this becoming an acute problem? Right now, it's around the edges. People get annoyed, it's unfair. But how far before the industry has to say, okay, well, this is becoming a top concern for us?
John Maraganore
executiveWell, there are many people in the industry that think it's a top concern now. So maybe we're at a tipping point, Ronny. I think clearly.
Ronny Gal
analystWe're not too far off.
John Maraganore
executiveWe're not too far off. That is correct.
Ronny Gal
analystOkay. So let's move on and move away from the economic side of the health care to the scientific side of health care. So you can't get deliver. It is very clear that neurology is a very important frontier. One of your peers have already delivered a drug, an RNA drug to the brain successfully and it has become a very good business for them. What do you guys need to do to be able to make this delivery, especially a subcutaneous administration as opposed to intrathecal? Where are we on that part of developing those capabilities?
John Maraganore
executiveYes, absolutely. Well, look, I mean, one of the exciting parts of the Alnylam story over the last couple of years, I mean, very sort of behind the scenes as we were launching our first products, was the fact that we have expanded delivery of the small interfering RNA molecules beyond the liver. Obviously, the liver was a remarkable achievement that we pioneered and the GalNAc conjugate platform that we built for liver delivery of sRNAs has been amazing. We also had pioneered lipid nanoparticles as well. But the GalNAc conjugate really has been very important. And we really applied that same conjugate-based approach for delivery of small interfering RNAs to different tissues, the CNS, the eye, the lung, and we have ongoing work to open up other tissues in the body. And I'm very, very encouraged about where that's going to go. I think that the delivery hurdles that this field, the RNAi therapeutics field had to address in the better part of the former decade has really now turned a corner. And for those reasons, we're very excited about what we're doing in the CNS. And we're about to have our first clinical program, ALN-APP go into the clinic. What we know now is that we've been able to achieve very robust knockdown of target genes, highly specific, well tolerated in preclinical species, including nonhuman primates. And what we see -- and this is by intrathecal infusion. And what we see is a broad distribution of these chemically conjugated, stabilized sRNA molecules through the spinal cord, into even deep regions of the brain. And we can measure knockdown, both by, obviously, terminal studies in these animals to look at mRNA silencing, but also by measuring cerebral spinal fluid for knockdown of target proteins of interest. And notably, in the ALN-APP program, which we've now -- we're now advancing toward an IND filing very shortly, we have been able to show 70% to 90% knockdown of amyloid precursor protein in cerebrospinal fluid. And when we look at specific regions of the brain in terminal experiments, we can see profound knockdown, obviously, in the spinal cord and even in deep regions of the brain, caudate regions, the putamen, other regions of the brain, we can see 60% to 70% knockdown within those regions of the brain. So we find this very encouraging. Obviously, the ability of targeting amyloid precursor protein at the mRNA level enables a knockdown not only of extracellular APP and a beta fragments that emerge from it, which is what drugs like aducanumab and the Lilly antibody are targeting, but we can also target intracellular APP and A beta fragments that, of course, also are known to cause pathology. And so it's a very differentiated approach. Our initial focus is really going to be on autosomal-dominant Alzheimer's disease. So the genetically defined form of the disease, where we believe the genetics really support -- very strongly support APP targeting. We're also going to look at cerebral amyloid angiopathy, which Ronny, you probably know is a vascular dementia due to amyloid precursor protein. And so these early studies will really be quite important. I think notably, even by virtue of the technology itself, we should have data in 2022, looking at knockdown of APP in cerebral spinal fluid in patients and that will be an important landmark event for the advancement of RNAi therapeutics into the CNS.
Ronny Gal
analystSo there are 2 things that are kind of interesting here. I would -- I completely see why the generic form of the disease will be a great place to do the proof-of-concept to show that you're able to reach to knockdown. Like, especially can you take reasonably young, healthy individuals that are predisposed and show that you're able to reach your target here. I mean, I guess the question from me is whether this is the right population to target for a pivotal trial. Because then I would actually argue the sporadic population might be easier to demonstrate an efficacy on or at least you don't want to take the added risk of the genetic disease in terms of demonstrating efficacy. It seems like a tougher target than predisposed early -- population which is not APP mutant or active, I would say. Yes.
John Maraganore
executiveYes. Ronny, data to inform. Let's see how the data emerge out of the Phase I study in the early -- and we're looking at some very innovative biomarkers as well, that are functional biomarkers that can be very informative. So let's see how that all emerges. Let's also see how the whole APP hypothesis and a beta hypothesis emerges here over the next maybe week. Then we can...
Ronny Gal
analystI'm not sure it will -- that will help you a lot.
John Maraganore
executiveLet's see how all that emerges, and then we'll go from there. But you may well be right, and it has certainly not escaped our iterations that sporadic forms of Alzheimer's might be, for many reasons, more interesting at the end of the day. But we're going to be informed by the data as we pursue this program. For now, the key thing to do is to show that we get robust reproduction of what we've done in nonhuman primates. And I have no reason to believe that we won't reproduce what we do in nonhuman primates because we've done that extensively in all of our other programs.
Ronny Gal
analystHow -- well, obviously, I suspect you don't get cerebral edema as a result of this?
John Maraganore
executiveWell, not in primates, not in the nonhuman primates.
Ronny Gal
analystThe -- you're not pulling the plaques out. So I don't think you're talking about that.
John Maraganore
executiveNo.
Ronny Gal
analystHow often is the delivery required?
John Maraganore
executiveWell, that's important, right? And this is where, again, the durability of the RNAi therapeutic mechanism of action is really impressive. I mean, in these primate studies that we've done, even after 6 months, we still see 70%, 90% reduction of amyloid precursor protein in the CSF. So I mean, we can imagine at least every 6 monthly, maybe less frequent, maybe annual. And that's, of course, as you know, it's incredibly important because routine and frequent intrathecal administration is not really going to be well tolerated by patients. And that's been probably one of the problematic challenges with the [indiscernible] platform. That has required more frequent administration.
Ronny Gal
analystWell, it doesn't seem like it's feasible even on a mass scale, even if every 6 months. I'm guessing -- the next obvious question is, how far are you from being able to deliver [ does effecting ] in the brain through subcutaneous administration?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. I mean, we have some work going on there. I think we'll see, but it's early and...
Ronny Gal
analystA few years away?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. Or infinity, I mean, let's be honest. I mean, delivering macromolecules across the BBB has been an objective in biotechnology since its inception in the '70s. So let's not -- we got to be realistic.
Ronny Gal
analystOkay.
John Maraganore
executiveBut look, in the high unmet need diseases where we think we can make a meaningful difference, Huntington's, Alzheimer's, severe forms of cerebrospinal ataxias, ALS, a 6-monthly intrathecal infusion, maybe annual intrathecal infusion, I think that's totally warranted. Will we go after schizophrenia, depression, epilepsy and so forth? Probably not with that...
Ronny Gal
analystLNP messenger RNA technology have been argued to be a potential new way of delivering RNA into cells. And does that create a new generation of competitors for you? Or is this technology limited in their ability to compete in this space for some reason?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. I mean, look, our brothers and sisters at Moderna and BioNTech have done a remarkable job this past year. So we're all beholden to what they've done and helping save humanity, to say the least. But mRNA delivery is really the yin of our yang, if you will. I mean, we're knocking down RNA, they're bringing in RNA. And so while there are theoretically indications where there could be intersection of interest, for the most part, what they're focused on is really competing with -- in the context of delivering mRNA for therapeutic purposes, they're really competing with gene therapy at the end of the day.
Ronny Gal
analystOkay.
John Maraganore
executiveAll right. So I don't view it as directly competitive at all. In fact, a lot of the work that we did on developing lipid nanoparticles for ONPATTRO have actually been used for developing the vaccines that are out there right now and delivering other MRNAs as well. So look, at the end of the day, we actually benefit by the democratization that's occurred for RNA therapies, which have now been administered in hundreds and millions of people around the world, if not billions at this point. And that democratization of RNA therapy takes away the mystification of RNA interference as a modality for many of the populations that we're aiming to go after, including the prevalent disease opportunities in our pipeline.
Ronny Gal
analystOkay. Let's talk about a few of your programs. So that starts with ATTR.
John Maraganore
executiveYes.
Ronny Gal
analystSo ONPATTRO has been quite successful. And it's coming to the U.S. in a significant way to go after cardiomyopathy. Obviously, we cover Pfizer. So our interest is, what have we learned from Europe where ONPATTRO competes with tafamidis directly? And how much of that is relevant for the U.S. market?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. No, great. Great question. Well, let me just start by being very, very clear that ONPATTRO today is indicated for the treatment of the polyneuropathy of hereditary ATTR amyloidosis. And that is, broadly speaking, how we're indicated across the world at this point in time. The tafamidis is a bit different. Tafamidis is approved in Europe for both polyneuropathy and cardiomyopathy. And in the U.S., it's only approved for cardiomyopathy. So it never was able to get the polyneuropathy approval, as you know, Ronny. But what we have been able to learn a lot about the market dynamics in Europe where ONPATTRO currently is approved for polyneuropathy and tafamidis has been in polyneuropathy for a lot longer, okay, a few years longer. And what we do see is a very significant number of patients that are being switched from tafamidis on to ONPATTRO because of the fact that they are progressing in their polyneuropathy. Progression in polyneuropathy due to tafamidis and other TTR stabilizers is well described in the literature. There's a very famous paper by Montero at all that describes this phenomenon very, very clearly. And what we do see is, in fact, about 50% of the patients on commercial ONPATTRO in Europe have been switched from a TTR stabilizer drug due to progression of their disease. The other 50% are naive patients who never have been on a TTR stabilizer and a prescriber has decided to put them on ONPATTRO was their first drug to be treated with. But that's a very interesting dynamic that we see in the European and Japanese markets where we compete in the polyneuropathy segment with Tafamidis today.
Ronny Gal
analystWhat percentage of patients in play? So let's call them naive patients that can go into either the stabilizes or the knockdown with the ONPATTRO approach. What share of that naive patients do you get in Europe?
John Maraganore
executiveI mean -- oh, in Europe, specific share of diagnosed patients right now? I don't know that answer for Europe specifically right now. We do globally.
Ronny Gal
analystBallpark, yes.
John Maraganore
executiveGlobally, we do view ourselves as the market leader in the treatment of polyneuropathy at this point in time, even with tafamidis out there. I mean, they obviously -- TTR stabilizers still represent a significant share as well. But we do view ourselves currently as the market leader for polyneuropathy, which is where we're indicated.
Ronny Gal
analystSo just to sharpen the question. So does that essentially mean that a patient that has the option of using other stabilizers or ONPATTRO today. In newly diagnosed naive patients, you're getting globally more than 50% share?
John Maraganore
executiveThat is our understanding today. And again, that's for polyneuropathy. Correct. Yes.
Ronny Gal
analystExactly. The way...
John Maraganore
executiveCardiomyopathy, which is a much bigger market where we're not indicated and labeled, tafamidis is being used much more broadly.
Ronny Gal
analystI completely understood. Now if we think about the U.S. market, there might be more room to combining the therapy, and there's large clinical logic to do that. As you think about the U.S. market, is the general approach to say, take all those patients that are currently on tafamidis and switch them over because we're better? Or watch closely to full progression, and if there is, switch them over? Or is the approach more of, look, if your patient is on tafamidis in stable way. If not, or it's a new patient, add ONPATTRO or start them first on ONPATTRO? Is that -- are we competing? Or are we simply arguing for an add up?
John Maraganore
executiveWell, we don't have overlapping labels today.
Ronny Gal
analystOkay. As you begin the cardiomyopathy indication.
John Maraganore
executiveWell, so let's just start with today because -- and then we can talk about -- we could speculate on the future assuming our trials are successful. But for today, we're being used to treat polyneuropathy, okay? And if a patient has a mixed phenotype, and this is very frequent, about over -- well over 50% of patients with the B122I mutation, which is the predominant U.S. mutation, have got clinical polyneuropathy, okay, symptomatic polyneuropathy. This has been presented by Martha Grogan. And so those patients are, if they have significant polyneuropathy disease burden, might get an ONPATTRO prescription, okay?
Ronny Gal
analystIn addition?
John Maraganore
executiveWell, sometimes in addition. Sometimes, in addition, we -- our market research says that maybe 20% of patients that are on ONPATTRO are also -- in the U.S., are also getting a concomitant TTR stabilizer. It can be diflunisal, okay or tafamidis, presumably for the treatment of the cardiomyopathy, although we don't know that for sure. We just know that all of our ONPATTRO patients are being treated on label for polyneuropathy.
Ronny Gal
analystSo let's talk a little bit about vutrisiran, your follow-on product. So can you just describe the -- start by describing the clinical feature of where you see the deflation between this and ONPATTRO? And then if we think about that product coming -- getting at -- coming up to its pivotal trials in cardiomyopathy, what do you need to show to convince to -- to show -- to demonstrate people that this should be used as a first-line treatment versus the stabilizers?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. No, great question, Ronny. So maybe just as a reminder, vutrisiran is one of our GalNAc conjugate molecule. So it's a TTR-targeting GalNAc conjugate. So unlike ONPATTRO, which is given by intravenous infusion every 3 weeks, vutrisiran, from the HELIOS-A Phase III study, which is in the polyneuropathy segment, demonstrated a very encouraging safety and efficacy profile as a once every 3 monthly subcutaneous injection. And we just started a clinical study to expand from once every 3 monthly to once every 6 monthly. So in the future, assuming those studies are successful, we expect that vutrisiran will be a once every 6 monthly subcu injection for the treatment initially of polyneuropathy where we have our data today. But then with the HELIOS-B study, if it's positive, that has the potential of opening up the opportunity into both hereditary and wild-type ATTR cardiomyopathy. So in the future, if that study is positive and successful, we will have a product that we think will be very well positioned to compete with an oral stabilizer because of the fact that it is given as a once every 6 monthly medicine, which, of course, will, we believe, provide a wonderful treatment option for patients. Now the HELIOS-B study we're doing, is a Phase III randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study. It's aiming to enroll about 600 patients around the world. It's going to be -- it is a multicenter, well over 50 sites worldwide. The primary endpoint is all-cause mortality and recurrent CV events. So it is an outcome, classic heart failure outcome study. And the primary endpoint is read out at 30 months, okay? So very important study. We are looking at doing an interim analysis that could bring in the time line a little bit, but we've now recently guided that we'll also be ending the enrollment this year. And previously, we had planned on ending the enrollment sometime next year. So very encouraging acceleration of the product. And look, tafamidis is a fantastic drug for patients right now. Hopefully, we can bring another treatment option forward to patients with vutrisiran. We'd like to see vutrisiran demonstrate a better stabilization of disease. We'd like to see, just like we have in the polyneuropathy setting, evidence that we truly stabilize the disease from progression. And if that plays out, and that's the if that we have to prove in the HELIOS-B study, then we'll obviously be bringing forward a very important option for patients.
Ronny Gal
analystSo I guess the question is you picked a classical mortality and MACE events and your primary endpoints. What kind of improvement you need to see on that one in order to convince yourself that you got to be the leading product in the market?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. Well, look, again, tafamidis is a very important drug. The ATTRACT study and the paper demonstrated its clear efficacy and safety. And it provided a 30% risk reduction and mortality for patients, which is really an impressive treatment effect in heart failure. But what we know from the ATTRACT study is that patients continue to progress in many measures of disease, including their 6-minute walk distance, their NT-proBNP, they continue to show progression on quality of life measures like KCCQ. And we know that the benefit -- the clinical benefit on outcomes doesn't really separate from placebo until about 18 months of treatment, a very unusual Kaplan-Meier curve actually when you look at the paper. So perhaps, and this is what we'll prove in the HELIOS-B study, we might show a better stabilization of disease across the parameters that I mentioned earlier. And perhaps, again, to be proven in the HELIOS-B study, we might show an earlier separation of clinical outcomes. And so that's what we would like to see, and let's see how it goes with the data when we open up the envelopes.
Ronny Gal
analystMakes sense. So basically, match them on the 30% mortality, earlier effect and better results on the pharmacodynamic markers of disease progression. Fully understand.
John Maraganore
executiveThat would represent an important treatment option for patients, and we'd be very happy to be able to help the community by bringing that drug forward.
Ronny Gal
analystAbsolutely. But I can't escape that -- well, maybe check and balances before I go there. And what -- have you finished recruiting half of the patient already for this trial?
John Maraganore
executiveWe don't give out those numbers, but we're going to be finishing the enrollment by the end of the year.
Ronny Gal
analystYes. The interim analysis is typically down where 50% of the patients finish or 66%. So I'm kind of -- that's the number you're looking for?
John Maraganore
executiveYes.
Ronny Gal
analystThe other question I would have is and you kind of have to do this, is your -- can you -- the Intellia CRISPR program is literally about a readout. Where do you see -- actually, what is your take here? How important is this result to the extent they can use -- create a onetime significant knockdown of the transthyretin protein? What does that mean from your perspective? And what else do you need to prove before this becomes something that people should take seriously?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. I mean, look, for starters, more treatment options are always good for patients. And for starters in the TTR space, this is really about market growth, not market share. I mean, the overall market here is so -- today, so undiagnosed. And the presence of more treatment options, more effort to improve disease awareness and so forth, will only help patients get diagnosed earlier, and then they can have options between what therapies make the most sense for them. Having said all that, CRISPR/Cas9 technology, Ronny, is very early. Let's be clear. And while I fully expect the Intellia study to show really good knockdown, I mean, there's no reason based on the primate studies that they presented that they won't be able to replicate those studies. So I'm expecting 95-plus percent knockdown of TTR from their gene-editing approach. But that's not the important question with gene editing. The important question is safety, specifically on long-term safety. And any time you contemplate gene editing with a technology like CRISPR/Cas9, you have to be conscious about unintended point mutations, deletions, insertions, inversions, translocations of DNA. And as you know, that can have unintended consequences that need to be really understood and studied. So I think that's the big question. But even if they get through all that, and that will take time, I'm certain of that, even if they get through all that, they're going to have a number of development challenges to cross. I mean, they're going to have to do pivotal studies against active therapies. That's going to make the studies larger, but also the treatment effect that they're looking for is going to have to be a lot bigger than the studies that we've all done comparing drugs to placebo. But then perhaps even more interestingly or challenging, I think, for them, is access. So remember, this is a disease that affects people in their 60s, 70s and 80s. And a one-and-done type of therapy is going to have to have $1 million price tag or higher to make a market meaningful at the end of the day. I don't think payers are going to be enthusiastic about a one-and-done multimillion-dollar therapy for hexagenerian or an octogenarian when there are other therapies that are proven, considerably less expensive that are available for those patients. So I think that editing and access challenge is going to be very significant for that.
Ronny Gal
analystInteresting. No, I hear you. But I don't know if you have to price it higher. I mean, you could, at least historically. But yes, I mean, the cost of manufacturing is probably not there. I think a more interesting question is, fine, even if you proved your drug safe in 30 patients initially, you're talking about typically a population, which is in multiple polypharmacy in the late half in life, until you treat a few hundred patients who begin to dig really deeply into the combination of this drug with other things that modify cell metabolism. Imagine a cancer patient taking that drug.
John Maraganore
executiveYes.
Ronny Gal
analystWhat happens then?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. No, it's got -- I mean, look, any time you're focusing on targeting DNA, okay, you've got a lot of questions. Look at -- I mean, look at all the recent gene therapy challenges that we've seen across the industry. So I think we've got a while to be worried about gene editing as real competition in the TTR space. In the meantime, when they're successful, they'll get a slice of the market just like -- BioMarin hopefully gets a slice to the hemophilia market at the end of the day. But I don't think it's going to be a market that all of a sudden changes fundamentally in the future.
Ronny Gal
analystOkay. So let's talk a little bit about your NASH collaboration.
John Maraganore
executiveYes.
Ronny Gal
analystCan you just remind the audience about the targets here? What is the program? When is it coming in? What is the proof-of-concept trial? And when can we see a validation of this approach to treating NASH?
John Maraganore
executiveYes. No, it's a very exciting program, Ronny, because we're targeting an enzyme called HSD17B13. It's going to -- it doesn't really roll off the tongue yet, but it will in the future. And it is really the PCSK9 of NASH. That's what I like to call it. And the reason for that is that there are human loss of function mutations, people running around the world today where the loss of activity of this enzyme results in a remarkable protection against liver inflammation and fibrosis. And that's from a range of different causes, whether it's from steatohepatitis, from fatty liver, if you will, whether it's from alcohol, even from viral infection, these people with these loss of function mutations are protected, okay? And so any time you have a human genetically validated target like this where it's protective, it's a sweet spot for RNAi. And so together with Regeneron, they discovered this remarkable genetic association. And very early on, they came to us and said, let's work together, using an RNAi-based approach. So the program is in Phase I right now. It's in healthy volunteers. It's going to transition soon into treatment of NASH patients as part of the Phase I protocol. We have pre and post-treatment biopsies that are planned in the patients to look for silencing of the HSD17B13 mRNA. It's not a secreted protein, so we don't have an easy biomarker that we can measure in plasma. But we will get knockdown levels. And we'll also be able to look at effects on fibrosis and progression of NASH as well.
Ronny Gal
analystSo this will be a broad [indiscernible] or are you going to...
John Maraganore
executiveNo, we would look broader, but we're also going to be very smart about genetic markers that are genetic indices that could help us enrich a patient population that would be more amenable to measuring a treatment effect early on. I mean, clearly, one of the things that we all have to recognize with a disease like NASH is that it could be heterogeneous. And so things that we can do to make sure that we simplify, at least the early clinical studies for approval to have an appropriate study population is a smart thing to do.
Ronny Gal
analystVery good. And with that, we wish you good luck to lot of exciting programs in the way. John, thank you very much for joining us today. And thank you all for listening. Thanks.
John Maraganore
executiveYes, pleasure, Ronny. Thank you very much.
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