Lands' End, Inc. (LE) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Good day, everyone, and welcome to today's Lands' End 4Q Fiscal Year 2024 End Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, today's conference is being recorded. I will be standing by if you should need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Tom Altholz. Please go ahead.

Good morning, and thank you for joining the Lands' End earnings call for a discussion of our fourth quarter and fiscal 2024 results, which we released this morning and it can be found on our website, landsend.com. I'm Tom Altholz, Lands' End's Senior Director of Financial Planning and Analysis, and I'm pleased to join you today with Andrew McLean, our Chief Executive Officer; and Bernie McCracken, our Chief Financial Officer. After the prepared remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please also note that the information we're about to discuss includes forward-looking statements. Such statements involve risks and uncertainties. The Company's actual results could differ materially from those discussed on the call. Factors that could contribute to such differences include, but are not limited to those items noted and included in the Company's SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. The forward-looking information that is provided by the Company on this call represents the Company's outlook as of today, and we do not undertake any obligation to update the forward-looking statements made by us. Subsequent events and developments may cause the Company's outlook to change. During this call, we will be referring to non-GAAP measures. These non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. A reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release issued earlier today, a copy of which is posted in the Investor Relations section of our website at landsend.com. With that, I will turn the call over to Andrew.

Thanks Tom. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. We are proud of our fourth quarter and full year 2024 results, which reflect our successful and deliberate evolution of Lands' End into a modern, digitally focused, forward-looking brand that's ready for life's every journey. Our North Star is an obsession. We're providing our customers with fresh and relevant solutions-based products, and engaging with them in a highly personalized manner, utilizing industry leading capabilities. This approach helps them understand and deepen their relationship with Lands' End. By the numbers, the strong execution of our strategy enabled us to deliver on our fourth quarter commitments. We achieved low-single digit GMV growth on a like-for-like quarterly basis. Our sixth consecutive quarter of growth in gross profit dollars, up 3% year-over-year. Our eighth consecutive quarter of gross margin expansion, up approximately 760 basis points year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA of $44 million, up 38% year-over-year and adjusted net income of $18 million and adjusted EPS of $0.57, up 120% year-over-year. Our fourth quarter performance was key as we closed out the full year, delivering mid-single-digit GMV growth with net revenue of $1.36 billion on a like-for-like basis. Gross margin improvement of 550 basis points to 48% compared to 43% in fiscal 2023, with year-over-year increases in each quarter throughout the fiscal year. Adjusted EBITDA of $93 million, a year-over-year increase of 10%, and a substantial increase in net income and return to profitability with adjusted net income of $30 million or $0.40 per share. When combined with our balance sheet improvements, a growing high single-digit ROIC. I'm pleased with our successful evolution of the Lands' End business model, in particular, the outstanding performance of our Licensing segment demonstrates the strength of the strategic initiative, and further demonstrates its remarkable potential. Licensing is fueling significant expansion of our brand reach, anchored on a capital efficient, low risk, high margin financial framework. I want to talk about that in greater detail later in the call. But first, I'd like to highlight a few operational and customer facing areas of focus that are driving incremental growth and value creation. First, our inventory. As we have talked about for the past few years, optimizing our inventory has been a priority, as doing so has enabled a better cost structure, while freeing up resources to invest in the newness and speed that our customers demand. Our 12% year-over-year improvement in our year-end inventory position allows us to significantly increase our returns by double digits, and provide our customers with fresh styles much more frequently throughout the year. We're not resting on our laurels though, and are continuing to optimize our supply chain to minimize cost and bring items to market even faster. At the same time, we are closely monitoring changes to global trade policy, and are positioned to take necessary steps to maintain an efficient and resilient global supply chain. Marketing has contributed significantly as we shift to a more balanced and innovative approach, leveraging digital and experiential engagement that constantly builds our cultural relevancy on top of our historic catalog engagement. We doubled our following on Instagram year-over-year, finishing fiscal year 2024 with nearly 0.25 million followers. We continue to use this channel to reach younger customers, who in turn have a high propensity to spend. Examples of that engagement are numerous with amongst the most entertaining being the teaser launch of our recent collaboration with Andie Swim. During the fourth quarter, we accelerated our experiential approach by launching a pop-up tote customization shop in New York City's SoHo neighborhood, exclusively via nontraditional media sources. This reached audiences on TikTok and Instagram via bloggers and influencers, with views running into the tens of millions. It should come as no surprise that the tote bag was our #1 item in driving new customer acquisition during the fourth quarter, sign-ups that consistently bring us a customer 10-plus years younger than our average. To continue building on this brand momentum, we will leverage the successful playbook from our SoHo shop to launch several beach pop-ups this summer, and we'll share more on that in the coming months. We continue to deepen our focus on technology to broaden the reach of the Lands' End brand. Over the past quarter and throughout 2024, we made it our priority to better use our technology and data to drive our strategy. We completed the reskin of both our consumer and B2B websites, providing a more contemporary look and feel with enhanced functionality. The exercise saw us deploy tools to better serve the customer. Our wear it with AI tool provides a carousel of product, unique to every single customer, which when coupled with an enhanced positioning of the True Fit sizing tool allows for a step change in the level of personalization offered. This is only the beginning as we continue a significant effort to redesign traditional paid search and SEO placements to better work with AI agents to meet consumer demands. It's certainly an exciting time as we look outward into an even brighter future. Clearly, our most significant path to success continues to be about the amazing product that we bring to our consumer and our ability to expand those franchise customers into lifestyle customers. Q4 wasn't just about our existing franchises. Although we are proud of how they performed, it was about the constant reinvention and additions across the collection. Two years ago, we were focused on key items. Now we offer a full collection across numerous categories from apparel to home and enjoy bringing the customers something new and more solution-oriented on a regular basis. As an example, during Q4, we cross-pollinated our Wanderweight and Squall franchises, creating a waterproof puffer jacket in stylish colors that flew off the shelf. The innovation did not stop there. As part of our swim resort collection launch, we took our classic one-piece Tugless silhouette and added a midkini swim dress and shorts, broadening the solution franchise and opening the aperture of creativity to reach a whole new cohort of customers. Turning to the performance of our B2C and B2B businesses, I want to start with a key driver of our strategy where we've seen considerable growth over the past 2 years, Licensing. Licensing is an asset-light business that increases the reach of our brand, strengthens our customer acquisition strategy, and drives GMV growth. It is also one of our fastest growing and highest margin businesses, and it continued to grow in the fourth quarter. It is worth calling out that over the last 12 months we have created $150 million-plus GMV licensing business with strong gross margin and gross profit dollar profiles. An example of our success is the [ Clubs ] business, which we began licensing last year. This License business is performing exceptionally well, while also significantly increasing our brand's reach and awareness with a broader array of consumers. Clearly, our Licensing business is brand enhancing by virtue of greater exposure and our experience to date has helped us deepen our understanding of how to best operate within the Lands' End environment. As a result, our Licensing business is well positioned for additional growth via product, channel, and international expansion. For example, taking advantage of our strong position in the category, our home licensees offering will launch on Amazon later this summer. And later this year, new partners plan to launch offerings of hosiery, men's underwear, women's intimates, base layers and travel accessories, all manufactured and sold under licenses we've recently awarded. It is also notable that we are leveraging our platform and distribution capabilities again in an asset-light manner to offer licensed product via landsend.com. Turning to our U.S. eCommerce business. We delivered the eighth consecutive quarter of margin improvement with an increase of approximately 880 basis points. This improvement was primarily driven by our marketing strategy and focus on higher quality sales, supported by our more conservative promotional approach, our new-to-file customer growth, and our inventory management improvements. We made a big decision with our approach to holiday, pivoting from the traditional heavy discounting that has characterized the brand over the last number of years. It didn't resonate with all existing customers, which we anticipated, but for the customers who continued on the journey, and the new customers we've attracted, we provided them with an exceptional balance of price and value, resetting the baseline for holidays to come and allowing us to return the business to growth with a younger, more vibrant, broader customer base. Our European business did not meet our expectations during the quarter and was the principal headwind on our overall performance. Due to our team's strong work; however, we were still able to drive over 300 basis points of improved gross margin rate in the fourth quarter. I've talked before about using Europe to test ideas that we can then deploy across the rest of the business. In this case, our efforts to reach consumers with more elevated product beyond our existing customer file didn't resonate, and we are reflecting our learnings in our go-to-market strategy and execution in 2025. We've also brought on [ Andy Hadden ], a seasoned international leader from Nike, to focus on growing the international business, including through new markets while refreshing the brand identity in our existing U.K. and German markets. Third-party partnerships continue to showcase the broad reach of Lands' End across all sectors of the market. The ability to tailor our assortment, not just by leaning into categories, but by carefully leveraging the good, best merchandise assortment that we now constantly refresh and balance with a deep understanding of the specific channel customer we are addressing is a significant win. Throughout the quarter, we delivered excellent performances at Amazon and Nordstrom. Amazon drove numerous records for us, including a strong Black Friday and record Cyber Monday, mostly from our Men's Bedford Quarter Zip Sweater being a best seller, which delivered record sales, resulting in an increase of 300% year-over-year, while Nordstrom, not surprisingly, drove the highest AOV and AURs Lands' End has recorded. Coming back to the significant opportunity we see with Licensing, I want to note how much progress our data scientists and engineers have made in creating leverage for our licensees within our marketplaces. Through these improvements, we are continuing to drive growth while expanding the reach of our brand. For example, our shoe licensee leveraged our capabilities to make the Flurry kids snow boot, and the men's Dakota Duck boots #1 items in their categories for long stretches of the quarter on Amazon. Turning to our B2B Outfitters business. I am pleased to note that B2B met our revenue and profit objectives for the quarter. Along with the Wells Fargo launch in Q3, it was a great back half to the full year. We have made significant progress in developing the sales pipeline for the uniforms business. For example, over the next few months, we will begin supplying another customer in the aviation space. For our school uniform business, we also continue to see upside from our unrelenting focus on winning and retaining customers. For both of these uniform businesses, we win by leveraging both our brand, our steadfast focus on quality, our market-leading embroidery, and personalization capabilities, and our great customer service to be a less qualified competition. Lands' End is a leader in the uniforms channels because it delivers on a promise of a branded experience that few, if any, competitors can match. It is now coupled with an extraordinary product engine and improved technology. For our shareholders, the business remains attractive and highly differentiated with multiyear contracts, lower marketing expense, and the opportunity to reach hundreds of thousands of new B2B2C customers, who can discover the consumer side of our brand. I'll now turn it over to Bernie to discuss our fourth quarter performance in more detail.

Thank you, Andrew. GMV increased low-single digits on a like-for-like basis for the fourth quarter of 2024, primarily driven by the ongoing successful execution of our licensing strategy. For the fourth quarter, total revenue performance came in at $442 million, a decrease of 14% compared to last year. When excluding the impact of the 53rd week and the transition of kids and footwear products to licensing arrangements, total revenues decreased by mid-single digits year-over-year. Gross profit increased by 3% compared to last year, driven by our eighth straight quarter of gross margin expansion. Gross margin in the fourth quarter was 46%, an approximately 760 basis point improvement from the fourth quarter of 2023. The margin improvement was driven by newness across the assortment, lower promotional activity, and fewer clearance sales. We delivered adjusted EBITDA of $44 million in the fourth quarter, a year-over-year increase of 38%. These revenue and profitability results reflect our continued efforts to prioritize less promotional, higher quality sales over sales volume, which has translated to consistent gross profit margin improvement throughout our business. Before moving into the discussion of our performance across different lines of business, we want to note that consistent with segment reporting requirements, our forthcoming 10-K will include new segment level reporting based on business units with similar characteristics. There will be more detail to share in the 10-K. But for the purpose of consistency on today's discussion, we're continuing to provide detail about our business units, rather than the broader segments. Our U.S. eCommerce business saw a sales decrease of 19% compared to the fourth quarter of 2023. Excluding the impact of the 53rd week in kids and footwear, U.S. eCommerce sales decreased mid-single digits year-over-year. Sales from Lands' and Outfitters was down 2% from the fourth quarter of 2023, when adjusting for the 53rd week in 2023. Sales from Business Uniform Channel declined year-over-year, due to program timing of larger accounts, partially offset by growth in our School Uniform channel. Third-party revenue decreased 2% compared to last year, when adjusting for the 53rd week in 2023, as declines in existing marketplaces were all partially offset by new relationships. Our Licensing and Retail business combined to grow revenue over 50% to last year, with the expansion of our licensing model. Licensing and our presence across our third-party marketplace partners continue to help the business diversify and reduce risk to any one individual partner. Sales from our European eCommerce business decreased 22% year-over-year, but we grew gross margin by approximately 310 basis points. SG&A expenses decreased $15 million compared to the prior year, driven by leveraging digital marketing investments in new customer acquisition earlier in the year, and strong cost controls across the entire business. As a percentage of sales, SG&A was 36%, which was an increase of approximately 230 basis points compared to 2023, primarily driven by deleverage from lower revenues. For the fourth quarter, we had net income of $19 million or $0.59 per share. We had adjusted net income of $18 million or $0.57 per share. Moving to our balance sheet. Inventories at the end of the fourth quarter were $265 million compared to $302 million with 12% improvement in our inventory position, benefited from our supply chain team's ongoing efforts to drive efficiencies paired with our speed to market initiatives. In terms of our debt, at the end of the fourth quarter, our term loan balance was $247 million, and our ABL had 0 borrowings outstanding, which was in line with our fourth quarter last year. During the fourth quarter, we repurchased $3 million worth of shares under our $25 million share repurchase authorization announced in March 2024, bringing the balance of the remaining authorization to $14 million as of the end of the quarter. To reiterate some highlights for fiscal year 2024, we delivered mid-single digit GMV growth on a like-for-like basis with net revenue of $1.36 billion. Gross margin improvement of 550 basis points to 48% compared to 43% in fiscal 2023, with year-over-year increases in each quarter throughout the fiscal year. Adjusted EBITDA of $93 million, a year-over-year increase of 10%, and adjusted net income of $13 million or $0.40 per share. Now moving to guidance. We are continuing to prioritize high-quality sales and improved cash flows, which we expect to drive continued gross profit and margin expansion during the spring and summer selling season. In the first quarter of 2025, we expect net revenue to be between $260 million and $290 million, with gross merchandise value or GMV expected to be approximately flat to low single-digit growth. We expect an adjusted net loss of $7 million to $4 million, and adjusted diluted loss per share to be between $0.22 and $0.13. We expect adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $9 million to $12 million. For the full year, we expect net revenue to be between $1.33 billion to $1.45 billion, while GMV is expected to be mid to high single-digit growth. We now expect adjusted net income of $15 million to $27 million and adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.48 to $0.86. We now expect our adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $95 million to $107 million. Our guidance for the full year incorporates approximately $30 million in capital expenditures. Our guidance also incorporates the impact of already implemented global tariffs. With that, I will turn the call back over to Andrew.

Thank you, Bernie. With a successful 2024 behind us, we have now turned our attention to 2025 and beyond, with clear strategic goals and priorities. GMV growth supplemented by a return to growth in revenue. Speed to market, allowing us to control inventory and drive enhanced margins and increased ROIC. SG&A leveraging as we grow, including by delayering the organization and utilizing new technologies. Marketing leverage driven by a careful consideration of the balance between catalog and digital spend and an emphasis on leveraging technologies like AI-driven personalization and driving increased adjusted EBITDA. Within our business, we will continue our focus on increasing our asset-light Licensing business to grow and enhance our brand. Solutions-oriented products that customers love to power the whole company. Our Uniforms business to aggressively continue developing meaningful long-term partnerships. And marketplace specialization to forge winning partnerships to extend the reach of our brand. As we close out the year, I want to thank all Lands' End's employees for their tireless work and dedication to this iconic American brand, and to our loyal customers who depend on us to be there for life's every journey. Because of their hard work and the strong execution of our strategy, 2024 was a pivotal year, and our successes set up Lands' End for a bright future ahead. Lastly, earlier this month, we announced that the Board of Directors has initiated a process to explore strategic alternatives, including a sale, merger, or similar transaction involving the company to maximize shareholder value. Because the review is ongoing, we will not be commenting further on it at this time, and we'll provide an update once appropriate. We look forward to your questions.

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Dana Telsey with Telsey Group.

Nice to see the progress on the year. Andrew, it seems like the business is becoming more asset-light, has the potential to continue to increase the adjusted EBITDA and profitability. As you see the growth from Licensing and now the entry into Amazon in a bigger way, and we're seeing what's happening with the health of the consumer, how do you frame what the cadence of the year could look like in terms of sales? And as you think of the other business lines, whether the U.S. eCommerce business, how are you seeing that develop in terms of where we could see the rate of growth going forward? And does pricing come into any play, given the headwinds of what we've been seeing from tariffs?

Great set of questions. I look at February, which is the month, I think we've all been through this, there's been a lot of conversation on it. And I look at the performance of really some of our products, because it was a colder February, I've been talking for the last couple of years about weatherproofing, the assortment, and we really leaned in on our outerwear and our fleece for February, and we're able to drive that. And in fact, as we came through, we see that's a record on a record in terms of the comps that we're driving out of that business and some of the franchises [ to allow for that ], would be FeatherFree. We saw the customer really lean in, they like that. They like being in that product. It's a great price point. It's a lower price point than Wanderweight, which is the down fill that we have, but we're able to pull through. And I think that's going to characterize the year. We're merchants fundamentally. And for us, the whole industry, it's about being able to take our assortment and manage it in the best way possible against everything that gets thrown at you, and that's what we're going to continue to do in every channel we're in. I appreciate you picking up on the asset-light Licensing business, and we are continuing to lean into that. We see significant opportunity there for land, and it really becomes about creating a flywheel effect, where the more physical representation that we can have of the brand in some of these channels, and actually some of the better products that we can get into, because we don't have the resources ourselves, the more we can put ourselves in front of a new customer in a new venue. And ultimately, the focus is always to bring them back to the eCommerce engine to landsend.com because they'll see a full representation of our assortment, and be able to -- we'll be able to lock them in as a customer coming out of that. So we were very pleased with the way that all the dots connected. And I think Amazon was another piece of it. I've talked before on the calls, we had the opportunity to really lean in. And what was great, and so is the stretch of Lands' End is that we were -- the 2 guardrails of our marketplace business were Amazon and Nordstrom, and we saw records on both of those, and we saw tremendous growth on both of those, and we'll continue to see that growth going forward is my take. And in particular, it's because we've adopted different strategies. The strategy for Amazon continues to be a much, much narrow assortment. We sold hundreds of thousands of quarter zip sweaters on men's quarter zip sweaters. And we find it's a great place to meet that men's customer. And so we'll continue to lean into that. And for the full assortment, we'll see them back on landsend.com. Similarly with Nordstrom, we reached a new customer. We actually leaned in and reached a women's customer, and that was a very powerful consumer to lean into, and it's worth reiterating the comment from the script, which is we saw the highest AOVs and AURs, that really we pretty much ever recorded. I'm not going to say they're records, because they don't have all the history going back through time, but they were very, very strong. So it's about managing the product. It's about managing the assortment. It's about managing what's thrown at you, and we'll continue to lean into these new channels as we go forward.

And then Dana, Bernie, and I will lean into the tariffs a little bit. As you know, and we've talked about in the past, we are not heavily risk in China. It's less than 8% of our buy. So our guidance incorporates the impact of already implemented tariffs at this point.

And I'll just give you the product sensibility on that. It will mean less cashmere in our lineup, but that doesn't mean we're walking away from it. We're replacing it with merino, we're replacing it with cotton fiber that we can get out of other markets. It gains that notion of you have your business, you have issues that come up, you have headwinds, you have tailwinds, we manage in and we manage through.

And our next question will come from Marni Shapiro with Retail Tracker.

Congrats on all the improvements. I have to just call out, you've done -- and Andrew, you know I've been obsessed about this, and I love the new straw tote bag. You've done an exceptional job with pop-ups, social media, getting in this younger customer, taking advantage of a moment out there. I guess how do you move those customers, these younger customers coming in from tote bags into your other segments? Like what's the next obvious move? You have a couple of very iconic segments in your house. And then just on Licensing, if I could ask a follow-up. As you continue to extend the licensing, at the same time you're improving and elevating the core Lands' End brand. Do you have very strict guardrails around the marketing that others are doing with your licensing? What does that look like?

Yes. I'll start with the Licensing and then -- good morning, Marni, it's nice to have you on the call. Little background. I mean you know my past history. I mean I've licensed with Urban Outfitters, I've licensed with American Eagle. And for me, it's really about leaning in and having a very tight agreement, so that you have approval over the product, you have approval over the manufacturing, and you have approval over where it's going to be sold. And so we contractually obligate our partners on that. And I wouldn't do anything that put our customer or our brand positioning in jeopardy, because from my perspective, and I truly believe this, the customer doesn't know that they're dealing with a licensee. As far as they're concerned, they're dealing with Lands' End. And so it should always be representative. And actually, one of the things -- and it is a point of difference for us, and I've been intuiting this as I've gone --it's been the back of my mind, but it's really come to the fore, because we sell all the product on our website. So we have the licensees consign their inventory. We'll sell it out of our own distribution facilities. We're able to see exactly what the quality of the product is, and we're able to run it through our own QC processes. We're able to read the customer feedback from the site. And so it gives us that extra control point a lot of licensors don't necessarily get. So there's a real value-add in there. You're right about the pop-ups. You're right about the social media. And I'm going to just note it, because it was a great fact. When we did the Katie Holmes photo shoot, we got 7.1 billion impressions of Katie Holmes with her pocket tote bag. And I think that was just a testament to not only the marketing teams, but to the product teams, and to the strength of the Lands' End brand. The places where that customer is going to go, and where we encourage them to cross shop into the most are going to be our market-leading positions. And the most obvious one is swimwear. And I look at what we've been doing in swimwear, and it's really about -- for us, swimwear just isn't about a traditional franchise in swimwear. It's about creating a lifestyle in swimwear. So if I look at, and I mentioned it in the script, if I look at Tugless, which is now 41 years old, we really only had one silhouette for most of those 41 years. Now we sort of like busted it out into a midkini. We busted it out into a swim dress. We've made it into a 2-piece, we're looking at a bikini with it. We did listen to you, Marni. And I think that the opportunity then is to really put that in a place where our customer can see it. So if you think about what we did with Andie Swim, and the collab we put in there, that reached a much younger customer than our traditional demographics. And it was a different psychographic as well. It's a very fashion-forward customer. And so you're going to see more of that. And I know you saw it because we discussed it. We did the Alice and Olivia-Land's End collab. I mean, it wasn't about swim, but it did actually start to introduce a younger customer to some of our denims cuts. And we spent a lot of time really reengineering jeans and making a great denim assortment for us. But I would say it's about swim, and it's really about outerwear followed by that, and then we'll look to make a move into apparel. But it's a good question. We've given a lot of thought. And I think by the collabs you're seeing us do in particular, and what we're doing on social media, that leans into the power in there. And I think there's a lot of power in there to drive this brand over the coming years.

Yes. There's a lot of, I would say, nostalgia is a huge theme out there in general to consumers, and I feel like people have a lot of nostalgia for this brand. So best of luck with the spring season.

We'll take our next question from Eric Beder with SCC Research.

In terms of licensed product, can we get kind of a feel for how it's going to flow? I know last year, you launched shoes, and there was an in between period where there weren't shoes. And I'm assuming we've been kind of in that in between period, I believe, now with kids. When are we going to see kids start to come into your catalog and roll out through there? And in terms of the wholesale and other pieces, when are we going to start to see some of these products -- licensed products roll in?

Kids and shoes are already there. So there in the market you will see home on Amazon with our licensed partner come back half of the year. And in addition to that, you'll see our licensed partner in Kohl's and also in Target with swim as we get later into the year. So those are the biggies. In terms of the licenses that we've discussed, I talked about men's underwear, I talked about women's intimates, I talked about socks and hosiery, travel accessories, and base layer, they will all launch in the back half of this year. So we're continuing to build that muscle with the launches. And actually, what I would add is you will see shoes come into the Clubs in the back half of the year. And I want to call that out because you know the Clubs can move a lot of volume. So I would expect to be talking about that as we get into the Q3 call.

And in terms of -- so we've seen a tremendous evolution in the catalog in the last few months. It's become much more of a lifestyle and a resource here. And how is in the response to that, what has kind of been the thought process? And what should we be seeing going forward in terms of the catalog as a driver for a younger customer, for a more -- customer who's looking for that key item or key look?

The catalogs, you're not seeing all the catalogs. We are able to drop 58 different catalogs in a year. So we have huge breadth of assortment. And traditionally, it's been very much about how many pages you get in the catalog. What you're seeing going forward far more now is it's about the pages -- it is about how many pages you get, but it's also about what's on those pages. And so as we lean in, we see a very traditional customer. You remember from various calls, I've talked about the customer who's been with us a long time. They're going to continue to see more of those traditional items, whereas the evolver customer is going to see more of the collection put together. And I think, it's -- for us we've definitely taken catalog and we've pivoted it away from being a channel, and we've pivoted it to being a marketing device. And it really gets covered in the topic of personalization, where I just view it as another form of marketing that should be personalized. And the big driver for our industry over the next few years, I really do believe is going to be personalization. And so having that catalog that we're able to slice and dice is going to be really important for us. It also has a [indiscernible] by Bernie. I'll be remiss if I missed out on that. There's a customer who responds to the nudge from it versus getting 40 pages. And I think that nudge can be handled in different ways. It's also an ability to prospect, but we lean in, and instead of having to have a 40 or a 50-page book, we might have a 10-page fold-out postcards, and that might be the way that we lean into it. And again, we're not necessarily doing that for cost reasons, but we are doing it to be thoughtful about the value that we put against the customer, and the return on that individual customer from a [indiscernible] standpoint.

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our next question from Alex Fuhrman with Craig-Hallum.

Congratulations on all the progress that you made last year. It looks like you're expecting some pretty nice GMV growth for the year, but not as much in Q1. Can you just explain that difference and why you're expecting GMV growth to accelerate after Q1?

Yes. Last year, in '24, we were liquidating our shoe and kids inventory. So there's a chunk that is non-comp last year, and that's pretty much the variance between, and on a like-for-like basis, it will be very [indiscernible] for the whole year.

And then Andrew, you mentioned there's a subset of your customer base that the holiday promotional strategy didn't resonate. Is there a plan to try to get those customers back this year? Or is that a customer that's more of a once-a-year customer looking for gifts or clearance items?

Alex, we love all of our customers, but I think there's different times to reach those customers. And instead of being 50 to 70 off over a Black Friday or Cyber Monday, because you're just hunting volume, I think there's a time when we can address that customer very specifically. And right now, it's about how we manage our winter sale and our summer sale. It's like we give great offers for them. It's like we've got products that we specifically have engineered it for them. And I think it's about how we connect them with that marketing. And the trick, and it is a trick as we go down this path of personalization is how you widen that aperture out from them just being a sale customer a couple of times a year, to introducing them to other franchises that they're prepared to pay more for. And so I'll give you a perfect example of it. We've always had the Expedition Parka, and it's been our most expensive piece of outerwear. It's actually arguably the most expensive thing we're carrying on the site at any one time. And we weatherproof that by adding our lighter weight Wanderweight, and then we further weatherproof that by adding FeatherFree, and we further weatherproof it on top of that by adding fleece. That creates a series of entry points for that customer, and they can come in and they can find product that works for them at a price point that's relevant to them. And we see very specific behavior there. So again, it's back to the question Eric was asking is how do you customize the marketing to be right on it? And it's like the starting point is definitely these 2 sale events, but how we open the aperture from there will define it. And I'm not going to chase any customers away from the brand, but nor am I on the other side of this, going to have a brand where we just discount to be at a price point that attracts a customer who's not really going to be tremendously profitable for us, and not really help support the brand. So there's a couple of ways at it. Does that answer your question?

It sure does.

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