Salesforce, Inc. (CRM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
June 3, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Arjun Bhatia
analystAll right. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. I'm pleased to announce we have Amy Weaver, the CFO of Salesforce with us today. We'll be doing a quick fireside chat. Amy, thank you very much for joining us today.
Amy Weaver
executiveYou're welcome. Thanks for having me, Arjun. I'm excited to get the chance to talk with you.
Arjun Bhatia
analystAbsolutely. Just before we get started, a few quick housekeeping items. First of all, my name is Arjun Bhatia. I'm the analyst here at William Blair that covers Salesforce. For a full list of our disclosures, you can go to our website at williamblair.com. And for those that are listening in online, if you have any questions for Amy, feel free to submit them via your Q&A feature, and I'll try to relay them onwards.
Arjun Bhatia
analystWith that, let's dive in, Amy. It's -- so you've been -- you've had quite the journey with Salesforce. You've been at Salesforce for about 8 years, if I have my dates right, but recently became CFO. Just walk us through your background a little bit, what you've been doing at Salesforce before the CFO role, and what the transition has really been like since you took on the new role.
Amy Weaver
executiveSo your math was close, Arjun. So I've been here about 7.5 years, coming up on 8 in October. And it's been an incredible ride with Salesforce. When I joined, we had just acquired ExactTarget and just hit 10,000 employees. And I think we had maybe $3 billion in revenue. And now here we are guiding to $26 billion for this year, 60,000 employees, and we're talking about when are we going to hit $50 billion. So incredible opportunity. As you said, 3 months ago, I transitioned to being the CFO. And it's been a fascinating transition because being with the company for so long, I know our people, I know our customers, I know our products. And I've been at the C-suite during this time, but it's almost like picking up at the table and shifting down 3 seats and yet suddenly having an entirely new view across all of these areas. And it's made me really more excited than ever about the company. And one of the things that kind of this new lens has shown me is really a look at our growth and the potential that we have as a company. So I am excited to be here for the ride and excited to get us to $50 billion.
Arjun Bhatia
analystYes. I've seen -- I'm sure you've seen quite a lot of changes over those past 8 years, like you said, ExactTarget, that feels like a long time ago.
Amy Weaver
executiveIt felt so big at that time and now it feels kind of quaint and dainty.
Arjun Bhatia
analystYes. Absolutely. So maybe just give us a sense for what you're focused on now. What are some of the near-term priorities as you look at putting your take on the CFO role? And what may be near-term priorities and long-term priorities in terms of what you're focused on?
Amy Weaver
executiveWell, I think, as I said, the biggest priority is growth. And as we saw in Q1, the demand environment is absolutely incredible right now. And I think the very best thing we can do for our company, the best thing we can do for our stockholders, for our employees, for all of our stakeholders is really to invest into this growth. And that includes with sales capacity. It's a unique opportunity for the company, and I think it's going to play out very, very well. Along with that, it comes an increased focus really on discipline and efficiencies. And those are 2 words that sometimes when you have a company that's a real start-up, you don't hear a big focus on those. But those are 2 words I actually really embrace. I think it leads to stronger companies. I think it needs to more durable companies, and it's going to continue to be a focus for me.
Arjun Bhatia
analystLet's touch on the first point that you mentioned there, which is just that the demand environment seems to be in high gear, right? We had an odd year last year with the pandemic. But give us an overview of what you're seeing from customers, what their willingness is to invest, particularly in front office, right, revenue driving solutions like Salesforce. And then how do you think that just compares to what we -- where we were at this point last year and then even at 2019 levels? How has just the demand environment progressed?
Amy Weaver
executiveYes. So the demand environment, clearly, right now, is just on fire, and that's really, really exciting. And what we saw this quarter and what I think was really unique is that big deals are back. And what I love about that is it just shows -- it shows an incredible confidence that company -- our customers and companies, in general, are willing to make that type of commitment. It shows their level of confidence and where we're coming back. Now if we compare that to a year ago, our 7-figure deals were up 120%. But a year ago, the world was in a very different place. And so that's not so surprising. What I think is interesting, though, is if we look at the number of 7-figure deals we did in Q1, it's greater than any time in our company's history. So I think it really, really shows this new confidence. The other area where I was really happy to see is that the deals that we were doing at this size were at least 4 cloud -- or on average, they involve 4 to 5 clouds. So not only are companies making these bigger commitments, but they're making it kind of across their company in terms of different products. And this shows that they're not just looking for kind of a point-in-time solution, but they're really looking at more of a digital transformation. And I think coming out of that pandemic, no one wants to move backwards. Last year proved that you've got to commit to these types of transformations, and we're seeing that just increase at this point.
Arjun Bhatia
analystCan you talk -- so there's been a lot of, I think, both organic and inorganic product changes that seem like they're contributing to the success you're having with larger deals, with 7-figure deals, with multiproduct adoption. Can you just talk about maybe the role that Customer 360 -- some of the newer product announcements, right, MuleSoft and Tableau, I think we talked about them as being kind of this core service layer and all these deals being involved. Just talk about maybe some of the product factors, the innovation factors that are driving customers to make bigger investments with Salesforce.
Amy Weaver
executiveI think it goes back to this concept of digital transformation. And it's become kind of an -- almost a clichéd expression at this point. So I was kind of hesitating before saying it. But it really is the best description that we have of how companies are changing. They're really looking at not just at making quick fixes to deal with something that may have come up with the pandemic, but really looking at where they want to be 3 years out, 5 years out, 10 years out and how we're going to have a road map to get there. And that's really where the Customer 360 comes in. We have this incredible portfolio of products. And these are products that have been homegrown. These are products that we've added. And there's products that really are a combination. When I look at something like Sales Cloud or Service Cloud, these are flagship products that we've had, in the case of Sales Cloud, for 22 years. We've done tuck-ins at times. We've innovated organically at times. And so we're constantly like refreshing these products and really looking at what do our customers need and what is going to help us help them as they create this road map going forward.
Arjun Bhatia
analystSo one of the things, right, in addition to just the top line growth and the deal acceleration that we're seeing, we're also seeing margins, and you touched on this, right, efficiency in the model, right? You delivered 20% operating margins last quarter. You raised your full year guide on operating margin. What are you doing on the efficiency side that's enabling you to deliver profitability? And just maybe talk about some of the initiatives that you've undertaken specifically to drive that because that was obviously a big focus last quarter.
Amy Weaver
executiveIt was a big focus. And as you said, we had -- our operating margin for Q1 was a little over 20%. We've raised operating margin for the full year to 18%, and that's in the phase of bringing in both Slack and Acumen this year, which have a dilutive impact of about 160 basis points. So I'm really pleased to see where we're going with this. And I think this is coming from a few areas. The first is we're really looking to seize upon what we've learned during the pandemic. How we can operate in ways that are more efficient and that they benefit, frankly, both the top line and the bottom line. And I think the areas where we're seeing this, T&E is one, how we market is one, how we look at our real estate portfolio is one. Some of these are instant savings we can have, some of these are things that are going to take a longer approach over the future as we see how people come back into the office. But it's an evolving focus, but it's a really critical part of how we see ourselves moving forward.
Arjun Bhatia
analystAnd you announced that Dreamforce this year is going to be a hybrid event, but it will obviously have an in-person component to it, which is, I think, very exciting for a lot of your customers and investors as well. But what does that mean for Salesforce to now have an in-person component to that as opposed to the COVID hiatus, I guess, that we took last year? And then just how should we think about implications for lead gen, pipeline development, deal closing as a result of Dreamforce coming back this year?
Amy Weaver
executiveSo first, we're really, really excited about Dreamforce coming back in person. This is absolutely a signature event. A year ago, it was hard to know what we were going to do in this case. It was hard to imagine Salesforce being Salesforce without Dreamforce. And for us, at that point, Dreamforce has meant 170,000 people in Moscone Center, all of that energy. And I have to say it was nerve-racking going into the fall, knowing we weren't going to be able to do that. But what we learned is that we could put on a very, very high-quality virtual event that still created an incredible pipeline. And I think Q1 really proved that out. And there turned out to be some really interesting advantages to that. I mean for one thing, we've reached millions of people, instead of hundreds of thousands, through Dreamforce in the fall. But we're also able to customize it. And we did this program called Dreamforce to You, where we had these customized versions of Dreamforce that we did for more than 2,000 different customers. So we've really learned how to do a virtual event that still drives pipe and leads to great execution. But there is something about that magic of being together. So what we're doing this year is we're going to do this in 5 different cities. We are going to get together a certain number of people. It's going to depend, obviously, on local health regulations at the time, how big we can go. But we're hoping to get back that excitement and that -- just the personal touch of being together in the same room. And then build on that by combining it with this online appearance in this virtual world. And I think it's going to be exciting to see how do we balance this? How do we get the best of both worlds, reaching more people, having the excitement and driving pipe? But of course, you don't ask me the most important question, which is what are we going to do about Investor Day. And we're working through that right now. We've traditionally done Investor Day as part of Dreamforce. So we're looking at dates. We're looking at whether we do it in person or we do it virtually, but we hope to have more information coming out in the next few weeks.
Arjun Bhatia
analystWell, I'm sure everyone will be very interested to hear what happens with that aspect of it. Let's switch to a topic that, I think, is on everyone's mind, which is Slack, right? You announced this deal where, I think, the latest guidance is that it's going to close towards the end of the second quarter. Maybe if we just zoom out, help us paint that picture of what Slack and Salesforce mean together? And why it's so -- why it was so important for the company to make this acquisition?
Amy Weaver
executiveSo let me start with the closing date. And as you've said, we -- it's not completely within our control, but we are looking at the most likely time being kind of very tail end of our second quarter, which would make it the end of July. So we will be -- first, I'll be excited -- incredibly excited just to get the deal closed and really jump in on this. It's an incredible -- it's going to be an incredible acquisition. And as I look back at just the 3 months since I took this job, I have not met a single one of our shareholders in person. I've not met a single customer in person or investor. But we've been able to do this and make these connections via Zoom without traveling. And it shows that as much as we're looking forward to getting back to certain aspects, the entire way that we operate has changed. And that brings me to Slack because what people are looking for and how we operate and how we operate online, Slack really represents this. And so building this type of engagement layer and building it into Salesforce is really how we see the future of work. And when Brent and Stuart began talking about this, they've really focused on this as being an operating system for growth and really looking at what is the new normal. So I think this combination of Slack with our current portfolio is going to be very, very powerful.
Arjun Bhatia
analystYes. And I want to bring in an audience question here because I think it's very relevant. So the question is, "It's incredible what you did with the MuleSoft acquisition, which I think has been just a tremendous success. But what are the lessons that you've learned from MuleSoft that you can actually repeat with Slack to get that to be just a successful of an acquisition?"
Amy Weaver
executiveSo it's a great question. And both -- and I would point to both Tableau and to MuleSoft as being just terrific acquisitions. We've been very pleased with the growth of both of them. And MuleSoft has continued to grow at a very, very impressive rate. We just passed our third anniversary of that acquisition. And when we acquired them, they were at a $250 million a year run rate business. They're now at a $1.5 billion run rate business. So great success. We obviously would love the same for Slack. Tableau also doing very, very well. We had some integration delays with them. We had the whole separate order from the CMA. And then as soon as we came out of that, we were hit with the pandemic like within a couple of months. But I look at Tableau and I look at what they're doing, and one of the things that makes me most excited is when I look across our top 10 biggest deals in the quarter for all of Salesforce, Tableau was part of 8 out of 10 of those deals. So it just shows terrific integration. Now looking to Slack, we have learned so much in every acquisition we've done. We don't always get things right, but we learned from every one of these. And at this point, we feel like we have a very sophisticated acquisition playbook. And also, again, with the lengthy time between announcing the -- our intent to acquire and the closing date, it's really giving us the time to make sure we're ready, we've got terrific integration plans and to make sure that we can really hit the ground running as soon as we close.
Arjun Bhatia
analystYes. I think -- no, that's very interesting. I think the numbers from Tableau and MuleSoft were both very remarkable last quarter. And then let's just follow up because I think one of the things that -- one of the questions that I actually get from investors quite a lot is does Salesforce end up closing down or closing the Slack ecosystem, right, making it less open as you tend to integrate it. I'd just be curious how you're thinking about that question because it is something that comes up quite a lot with investors. How would you answer that?
Amy Weaver
executiveI'm glad you asked because that was the first question we got with MuleSoft from investors. I mean we were just hammered with questions in that first 24 hours after we announced the acquisition. We got it again with Tableau. And now we're seeing that with Slack. And our answer is the same in each case. Interoperability is extremely, extremely important. And that is why for all of the Salesforce products, you can see that we integrate with thousands and thousands of applications from different vendors. And the importance of interoperability, I think, is particularly acute for Slack. I mean a key part of Slack's entire value proposition is their ability to integrate with the broadest possible range of third-party software developers and software solutions, really. And the more applications that they integrate with, the more customers will adopt Slack and the more will use Slack to get their work done. So it's in our interest as well actually not to shut down interoperability, but to really encourage this. And I think the way that we handled it for MuleSoft and for Tableau should give people a lot of confidence that, that is what we believe in, and that is our model, and that is how we see this playing out.
Arjun Bhatia
analystYes. I think the MuleSoft point is particularly great because I think of Slack almost as an integration engine in its own way just because of the broad reach that it has and MuleSoft is very much the same way. And no, that's a great point. I want to ask another audience question here, which is also kind of pertinent to this. "But what are you thinking of the -- of your M&A strategy going forward? There's obviously a lot on your plate right now with Slack. But how are you thinking about that going forward? And then what do you think of the current valuation environment as Salesforce looks out in the market?"
Amy Weaver
executiveAs we -- I never want to say never on M&A. I think we have to be very, very careful with that. We look at things opportunistically. You never know when the absolute dream company is going to show up and that you may have an opportunity to do something with them. So everything comes up, we're going to take a look at it and we are going to kick the tires on. That said, we have a lot to integrate with Slack right now, and that is, by far, in a way, our #1 priority for this year. In terms of valuation, I mean, it's a hot market right now. And a lot of companies are trading, and I think it's going to be a very interesting year for many other companies to see what they do.
Arjun Bhatia
analystOkay. Understood. Let's -- maybe let's just switch gears off of the M&A and Slack route for a second. And I want to touch on maybe just the go-to-market for a little bit because if I rewind to a year ago today, I kind of distinctly remember Marc Benioff making this point that, "Hey, we're going to invest through the pandemic. We're going to -- we've learned our lessons from 2008." What has -- what was that -- what is that decision to invest as opposed to cut back last year? What is that -- what impact is that having on the business today and for your overall growth trajectory as you look to go out and capture your market opportunity?
Amy Weaver
executiveSo the great financial crisis took place in 2008, and that was about 5 years before I joined Salesforce, but I feel very much like I was there for it because Marc has reminded us so many times about what his regrets were during that. And his #1 regret in 2008 was that he stopped expanding. They stopped investments in growth. They stopped investments in headcount. And he was really determined that we were not going to make the same type of mistakes this time around. So when we started getting together again, the leadership team started really focusing on what we were going to do. It was a scary time. You were really gambling on where is the environment -- the demand environment going. How long is this going to last? But we've really heard Marc on this, and we decided that we are going to continue to build out our sales capacity. And we really started this about the middle of last year. That has paid off beautifully for us because by the time we were able to hire and you get people fully ramped, they were ready to hit the ground running on Q1. And I think it made a huge difference to us that we were able to learn the lessons from 2008, apply them this time and have that confidence to move forward and invest in. The other thing I will say about that and it's not necessarily specific to a lesson coming out of 2008, but when you go through a year like last year with your leadership team, where you are forced to make huge, tough decisions, and they're coming at you -- especially I look back at Q1 of last year, and you were just making decisions, you were grappling with issues you never have thought you would ever have to deal with in your career, it really brings you together as a leadership team because you're looking at a set of shared values and a shared vision for the company, and you're trying to execute against that. And just the alignment of the team, I think, has been absolutely remarkable. Clearly, starting with Marc, I worked very, very closely with Gavin, closely, closely with Brett. And coming out of that, it has made me even more confident about where we're going and our ability to get to $50 billion.
Arjun Bhatia
analystYes. I can certainly imagine those were some very tough decisions to make last year with all the uncertainty that was there just a year ago. The other part to kind of just dovetail into is you invested last year, as you just -- philosophically, you're thinking about growth versus margin expansion, right? How do you think about that over time for Salesforce? Are you prioritizing growth? And how do you think about just balancing that with keeping your margins like healthy going forward here?
Amy Weaver
executiveSo first, I want to be a little bit careful. We've not given long-term margin guidance. Given it through the end of the year, so not making predictions 3, 5 years out in terms of our framework on that. I go back to the idea that growth is #1. So if you are talking -- if we're prioritizing, that's definitely the #1 priority. However, when I look at our opportunities to improve discipline at the company, to determine additional profitability, there are a number of priorities. You start with growth. The second is you really need to invest into the company. I'm a good believer that you have to have a very strong infrastructure at the company, whether that's engineering, G&A, systems processes. And then hopefully, you're also seeing additional profitability dropping to the bottom line. Now looking forward into our opportunities, I mentioned before, we've really got to look back at what we learned on this past year and looking how we maximize for both top line and bottom line and continue to go forward.
Arjun Bhatia
analystAnd I'll bring in just a question from the audience here because there's one on the sales and marketing leverage, which I think relates to the conversation that we were just having. "But is there -- when you think about just the operating profile of larger deals, right, when you're seeing these multi-cloud deals come in, is there -- are those economics on this -- on the commission structure different for the larger deals versus smaller deals at all? And do you think there's any changes that you can make to the commission structure going forward to get leverage on the sales and marketing line?"
Amy Weaver
executiveI don't know that we would talk in such great details about commission structures and how we would handle small deals from big deals. One interesting thing, though, I would point out on new logos, which tend to be in the smaller deals coming in, we're taking a look at this recently. And one thing that we are seeing that I think is fascinating is for new logos, brand-new consumers, we're seeing that they're coming in at a higher point in terms of their initial spend. And we're also seeing that they're coming in with more clouds than they typically have. And this is a real shift over the last about 3 years. And I'm excited to see where this takes us. People willing to make a bigger jump, and we're going to be following -- it's something we're going to be following very closely, but I think it's a great, great sign.
Arjun Bhatia
analystYes. That's a very interesting point. I'm curious if -- you acquired Vlocity, I want to say it's been maybe a year, 1.5 years, if I...
Amy Weaver
executiveAlmost exactly a year, almost to the day.
Arjun Bhatia
analystAlmost exactly a year. So maybe talk about the role that verticalization is playing in your growth. And specifically, what the impact of the Vlocity acquisition has been on that vertical strategy for Salesforce.
Amy Weaver
executiveSo Vlocity is probably the most natural and beautiful fit acquisition we could have made. Like I said, we brought it in about a year ago, and it has had incredible advantages even just since day 1. So a couple of the advantages I would point to. First is David Schmaier. We -- this has nothing to do with the industry as directly or verticalization, just a fabulous executive though, and we have taken him out of Vlocity and put him in charge as our Chief Product Officer. And it's been terrific, terrific engagement. In terms of verticalization in industries, this is something we have been talking about for about 8 years at the company. And we've been leaning in further and further. Vlocity really brought it home. It opened it up in many different areas, expanding it, taking it to a really different level than we've had. And in Q1, one of the things we really noticed is that 8 out of -- we talked about 8 of our 10 biggest deals for the company had a Tableau element. Well, 8 of our top 10 deals for the company also had a vertical element. And I think we are just going to see that continuing to build. We now have 10 verticals. And I am sure we will add more, but it's been incredible to see what we can do, and Vlocity has absolutely helped us pick up the pace in that area.
Arjun Bhatia
analystAnd what do you -- so just -- when you think about the increasing vertical strategy, how do you think about the impact on sales efficiency, sales cycles for vertically focused deals, right, which are vertical solutions versus what you see on maybe the horizontal side? Is there a difference there at all just on your efficiency in closing those deals?
Amy Weaver
executiveI think on the verticals that it is still early days to tell how that's going to play out in terms of how we work with the customers and how long that deal cycle typically is. They do tend to be more complex deals. These are sophisticated areas that we're bringing it in. But I think that it's worth that time when we put it in. My favorite expression for this is one that Bret Taylor uses quite a bit, which is with taking the vertical approach, we're really helping our customers start on third base. They're walking into something that's really already been tailored for them. They just need to bring it home at that point. So again, very, very excited. Vlocity has been a terrific addition to Salesforce.
Arjun Bhatia
analystPerfect. And we have maybe time for just one more question, but I'll leave it at maybe a higher-level question. You put out a target at last year's Analyst Day to get to $50 billion in revenue by fiscal 2026. Just maybe talk about your confidence in getting to that $50 billion revenue target and what some of the drivers are that will get you there.
Amy Weaver
executiveSo at a recent fireside chat, I mistakenly said that we were driving to $50 million by FY '26. So I'll tell you, I've got ultimate confidence that we're going to nail that one. The moderator very, very nicely pointed out that perhaps that was not a very ambitious goal for me. But we're headed to $50 billion by the end of FY '26. And I have the same amount of confidence as I do if we were headed to $50 million. There's 3 things that really give me the most confidence on this. First, is the total addressable market. I mean this continues to expand every year for all of our products, really. And by FY '26, it's expected to be more than $200 billion. So lots of room there. The second is the ability to execute. And I thought the past year really proved this out. I mean I never would have dreamed a year ago that our sales team could do what they did without ever getting on a plane. And you do this basically just overnight. And they did. And when I look at anything that could come in our way, it just gives me the confidence that they're going to be able to handle that. They're going to be able to sail through this, and they're going to be able to execute. And the third is our portfolio of products. We just have an incredible portfolio with the Customer 360. I think when you add this together, the execution, the market, our existing portfolio and then you combine Slack, I have great confidence and really a lot of excitement about getting to $50 billion in revenue.
Arjun Bhatia
analystAll right. Well, wonderful. Amy, really enjoyed having you here. Thank you for taking the time with us today. And thank you, everyone, on the line for joining as well.
Amy Weaver
executiveGreat. Perfect. Thanks, Arjun.
Arjun Bhatia
analystThank you.
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