TeraGo Inc. (TGO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 21, 2020

Toronto Stock Exchange CA Communication Services Diversified Telecommunication Services earnings 40 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the TeraGo's 2019 Year-End Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would like to remind everyone that this conference is being recorded. TeraGo would like to remind listeners that the company's remarks and answers to your questions today may contain forward-looking statements that are based upon management's current expectations. All such statements are made pursuant of the safe harbor provisions of and are intended to be forward-looking statements under applicable Canadian security legislation. When relying on forward-looking statements, to make decisions with respect to the company, you should carefully consider the risks set forth in the Risk Factors section in the annual MD&A for the year-end December 31, 2019, which is available on www.sedar.com, and also consider other uncertainties and potential events. Except as may be required by Canadian security laws, the company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information. We would like to remind the listeners that TeraGo uses certain non-GAAP financial measures to arrive at adjusted results to assess its business and to measure overall performance. TeraGo believes that these financial measures provide readers with a better understanding of how management views the company's overall performance. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Tony Ciciretto, President and Chief Executive Officer of TeraGo. Please go ahead.

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#2

Thank you, Marcela. Good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining TeraGo's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2019 Earnings Conference Call. With me today is our CFO, Dave Charron. After the market closed yesterday, we issued a press release announcing our results for the fourth quarter and full year ended December 31, 2019. Our press release, financial statements and MD&A are currently available on SEDAR and our company website along with a slide presentation accompanying this call. The fourth quarter marked a strong finish to a pivotal year in TeraGo's growth strategy. As our financial and operational results for 2019 demonstrate, we executed on our plan to effectively manage costs and generate strong adjusted EBITDA and cash flow, while realizing key milestones on our next-generation 5G fixed wireless growth strategy. We solidified our balance sheet through the bought deal we completed last July, we gave us -- which gave us the financial resources to judiciously invest in our 5G initiatives. We are also assembled -- we have also assembled a dedicated team of experienced executives to build a global channel partnership ecosystem and develop strategic partnerships with leading industry players. In step with this, we also enhanced our sales effectiveness, broadened our sales footprint as well as expanded our sales pipeline. These accomplishments have helped to improve the stability of our overall business, and position TeraGo for improving performance in the years ahead. Now let's look at our key operating metrics for Q4 and the full year in more detail. On Slide 5 of your presentation, you can see that our sales and customer success initiatives are helping to stabilize and improve our key operating metrics. Starting first with backlog monthly recurring revenue or MRR in our connectivity business. At December 31, 2019, backlog MRR increased 42% to $92,096 from $64,659 in the comparable period last year, driven by higher sales volume. In fact, this is the highest level of connectivity backlog MRR in several quarters, which is a testament to our higher close rate and larger number of multi-site deals signed in the year. Cloud and colocation backlog MRR at December 31, 2019, was $18,615, down from $31,742 in the comparable period last year. The decrease was due to lower sales volume. It's important though to note that cloud deals typically take less than a quarter to provision, especially if it's an upgrade for an existing customer, which is why we don't anticipate large backlogs in the cloud and colocation line of business, unless it's a larger colocation deal. Shifting now to average revenue per user or ARPU. In our connectivity business, ARPU for the fourth quarter of 2019 was $1,019 compared to $1,054 in Q4 of last year. For 2019, connectivity ARPU was $1,022, down slightly from $1,053 in 2018. The decrease in ARPU for both periods was due to provisioning and renewals at lower rates. However, you'll note that we did achieve sequential quarter-over-quarter growth of connectivity ARPU in Q4 2019 when compared to Q3 2019. As we have mentioned on our prior calls, we expect connectivity ARPU to trend upwards over time as we secure large multi-site deals and as we gain traction with new products. Our cloud and colocation ARPU for Q4 2019 was $3,393, up from $3,138 in Q4 of last year. For the full year, cloud and colocation ARPU increased to $3,262 from $3,147 in 2018. The increase for both periods was due to upgrades from existing customers and churn of lower ARPU customers. Now let's look at our third key operating metric, churn. For the fourth quarter of 2019, churn in our connectivity business was 1.4%, which was essentially flat compared to Q4 of last year. For the full year, connectivity churn was 1.4%, down slightly from 1.5% in 2018. Churn in our cloud and colocation business decreased to 0.9% in the fourth quarter of 2019 from 1.3% in Q4 of last year. For the full year, cloud and colocation churn was 1.3%, which was an improvement from 1.9% in 2018. The improvement in churn levels in both of our lines of businesses reflects the customer-focused initiatives we implemented in late 2018. These implementations include proactive customer-orientated processes to ensure our direct sales team and channel partners are working closely with customers, leading up to contract renewals as well as listening to customer needs and looking for product upsell opportunities. Altogether, we believe these initiatives will help to further improve churn levels into 2020, which is consistent with our two-pronged strategy of reducing churn, while increasing bookings, which ultimately would drive top line revenue growth. Before I provide an update on our growth strategy, I'm going to turn the call over to our CFO, Dave Charron, to walk you through the financial details for the quarter and year. David?

David Charron

executive
#3

Thanks, Tony, and good morning, everyone. Moving on to Slide 7, you can see that our total revenue in the fourth quarter declined 7% from the prior year period to $12 million compared to $12.9 million in Q4 of last year. Connectivity revenue in the quarter decreased 13% to $7.3 million compared to $8.4 million in Q4 of 2018. The decrease in connectivity revenue was primarily due to customer churn as well as certain customers renewing long-term contracts at lower market rates. In contrast, cloud and colocation revenue for the fourth quarter of 2019 increased 4% to $4.7 million compared to $4.5 million of Q4 of last year, which partially offset the decrease in connectivity revenue. The increase in cloud and colocation revenue was primarily due to a onetime nonrecurring customer termination fee that we recognized in the quarter, and that amount was approximately $350,000. On Slide 8, you'll see that total revenue for the full year decreased 11% to $48.4 million compared to $54.3 million in 2018. Connectivity revenue for 2019 decreased 13% to $30.4 million compared to $35 million in 2018. The decrease in connectivity revenue was primarily due to customer churn and certain customers renewing long-term contracts at lower market rates. Cloud and colocation revenue for 2019 decreased 6% to $18.1 million compared to $19.3 million in 2018. And the decrease in cloud and colocation revenue was primarily due to customer churn in the second half of 2018, resulting in lower revenue entering 2019. As the improvements we've made in our sales and channel groups take hold, we are optimistic that we'll see top line revenue stabilize and grow throughout 2020 and beyond. Turning now to EBITDA. In the fourth quarter of 2019, our adjusted EBITDA increased 29% to $4 million compared to $3.1 million in Q4 of last year. For the full year period, adjusted EBITDA increased 35% to $17.5 million compared to $13 million in 2018. However, excluding the impact of IFRS 16, our adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter would have been $2.4 million compared to $3.1 million in Q4 of 2018. And for 2019, adjusted EBITDA, excluding the impact of IFRS 16, would have been $11 million compared to $13 million in 2018. And this is primarily due to the reduction in revenue, partially offset by our continued focus on cost management. Moving down the income statement, net loss for the fourth quarter of 2019 totaled $2.1 million compared to net loss of $2 million in Q4 of 2018. And for the full year, net loss totaled $7 million compared to a net loss of $4.8 million in 2018. The increased net loss for both periods were in part due to the adoption of IFRS 16. As I've talked about on prior calls, with the adoption of IFRS 16, we now recognize all leases on our balance sheet as a right-of-use asset and a corresponding lease liability. This resulted in higher depreciation and finance costs that exceed the beneficial impact of lower cost of sales and operating costs for previously recognized operating leases. The net result was a higher net loss in the fourth quarter and full year of 2019, the impact being about $1.3 million for the full year. Turning to our cash flow on Slide 11. In the fourth quarter, we generated $4 million in cash from operating activities and incurred $1.7 million in lease payments. Capital expenditures were $1.6 million or 14% of total revenue in Q4. For the full year, we generated $15.4 million in cash flow from operating activities and incurred $7 million in lease payments. Capital expenditures for the full year were $6.7 million or 14% of total revenue. Turning to the balance sheet. At year-end, we had $8.7 million in cash, which is down slightly from $9.1 million last quarter, but up from $3.9 million at the end of 2018. We also have an undrawn $10 million operating line and a $25 million acquisition and CapEx facility that will allow us to invest in growth initiatives. We believe we have sufficient capital resources to meet our working capital and capital expenditure requirements, including funding our 5G technical and customer trials, which we expect to be approximately $500,000 in 2020. And finally, our leverage ratio at the end of the quarter was 2.7x adjusted EBITDA, excluding the impact of IFRS 16, which is well below our debt covenant of 3.5x. And that concludes my prepared remarks. I'll turn the call back to Tony to provide an operational update on our growth strategy for 2020. Tony?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#4

Thank you, Dave. I'd like to now review our progress executing on our growth strategy, which we think of as 3 pillars, which are depicted on Slide 13. The first pillar of our strategy is to stabilize our business and generate positive cash flow. The cost optimization measures we began implementing toward the end of 2018, helped to improve cash flow in the fourth quarter and full year. As Dave mentioned, we generated net $2.3 million of operating cash flow in Q4 and $15.4 million for the full year. We believe our optimized cost structure will allow us to continue to generate strong cash flow going forward. The second pillar of our strategy is building a premier channel and alliance program. Since we launched the program in early 2019, we have added new global channel partners at a consistent pace and ended the year with more than 20 new channel partners. Importantly, these programs have enhanced TeraGo's overall sales effectiveness, expanded our pipeline and broadened our sales footprint. In fact, our enhanced direct and indirect sales initiatives have allowed us to more than double our sales pipeline compared to Q4 of last year. Looking specifically at our connectivity business, we continue to see abundant opportunities to target multinational and U.S. companies that have operations in Canada. We're encouraged by the number of large multi-site sales opportunities in the sales pipeline. It's this type of traction that confirms the significant opportunity TeraGo has to leverage its existing fixed wireless footprint and bundled service offerings. However, we're not resting on our laurels, and we continue to selectively invest in new innovative products to meet customer needs and increase ARPU. One such product is the TeraGo Internet 50/10 product, which is also a fiber-like fixed wireless solution that delivers flexible and reliable internet connectivity to Canadian business customers with less than a handful of sites. With business grade service level agreements and features such as 24/7 technical support, TeraGo Internet 50/10 provides a comprehensive nationwide wireless alternative to cable or DSL-based internet connections. In addition to TeraGo's Internet 50/10 product, last week, we launched the TeraGo-managed SD-WAN in partnership with NetFortris, which is a new and advanced networking solution that brings next-generation technology to business customers across Canada. SD-WAN is critical in supporting network agility, simplicity and performance while allowing us to advance our capabilities to deliver best-in-class customer experience. We believe that SD-WAN solutions are one of the leading technologies addressing business network requirements, and we're excited to be one of the few national service providers adding this service to our connectivity portfolio. It's product launches like Internet 50/10 and SD-WAN that demonstrates TeraGo's continued commitment to provide the best-in-class next-generation networking solutions for our customers across Canada and globally. Now shifting to our cloud and colocation business. We are seeing a pickup in colocation deals in our sales pipeline that have the potential to utilize a significant amount of our excess capacity. In 2019, TeraGo was recognized in the major players category by IDC for Canadian data center operations. This recognition adds even more credibility to our direct and indirect sales efforts and positions us well to capitalize on the continued market demand for managed cloud and colocation services. Our third pillar and primary growth driver for TeraGo is 5G. As Canada's largest holder of 24- and 38-gigahertz licensed millimeter wave spectrum, we are in a prime position to capitalize on the growing number of used cases of the Canadian business market as they transition to 5G. We will be commencing our technical trials shortly at our headquarters in Thornhill, utilizing 5G fixed wireless network equipment from Nokia and customer premise equipment from ASCII. Initial testing will be conducted using the 38-gigahertz frequency band, followed by the testing of their 24-gigahertz radios, which we expect to start in the second half of the year. However, business customer trials will begin midyear following our technical trials. We continue to take a very prudent approach in evaluating our near- and long-term opportunities with the objective of securing strategic partnerships to expand our markets, minimize initial capital outlay and reduce operational risk. We remain laser-focused on monetizing the value of our 24- and 38-gigahertz spectrum assets, and I believe we have a significant time to market advantage to be the first Canadian -- one of the first Canadian carriers to launch fixed 5G fixed wireless services nationally. In summary, we enter 2020 with significant operating momentum across our businesses. We believe our strengthened channel partner network, building sales pipeline and new products will help to drive top line growth in 2020. In step with this, we're confident that our strong balance sheet and capital resources give us the flexibility to invest in our 5G initiatives, which we believe will lay the foundation for growth in the years ahead. Now that concludes our prepared remarks, and we're now ready to open the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Vince Valentini from TD Securities.

Vince Valentini

analyst
#6

Clarify a couple of things in the numbers, first. The -- a pretty big increase in the backlog on the connectivity side. Is there anything that needs to be called out there as unusual? Or any sort of low-margin revenue coming through? Or is that all just normal, high-quality recurring revenue?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#7

Well, Vince, thanks very much for the question. Essentially, what it is, is our execution strategy really taking hold. As I mentioned out at the -- in my remarks, one of our key tenant is to bring on channel partners from the U.S. that have customers with operations in Canada. And as I mentioned, we have over 20 new channel partners that we brought in 2019. And that, along with our sales, just our sales productivity improvement, I think, is contributing to the connectivity backlog.

Vince Valentini

analyst
#8

Okay. And in terms of the outlook for 2020, you said you expect revenue growth to turn positive. If I can -- just trying to make sure I understand that fully. Is that in both segments? Or just on a consolidated basis? And do you expect that improvement to start to show up in Q1? Or is it more of a back-end loaded?

David Charron

executive
#9

I think that's going to be back-end loaded, Vince. It's Dave here. As we start to take some of that backlog and convert it to revenue throughout the first half of the year and then continue to drive increased orders and backlog, that should manifest itself in the second half.

Vince Valentini

analyst
#10

And would you expect both the connectivity side and the cloud side to have positive revenue growth for the full year?

David Charron

executive
#11

That's correct.

Vince Valentini

analyst
#12

Great. And switching to CapEx and free cash flow, it's -- you've been trending just a bit below 14% in terms of capital intensity. Is your expectation that the core business sort of stays in that similar range next year, and then you add $500,000 for the fixed wireless trials?

David Charron

executive
#13

Yes. That's just about correct, Vince. I think the other element to it in what we said, I think, last quarter, is there is a small investment we're making in our core network to get that to be 5G-ready. So in addition, there was some additional spending, maybe about $250 million a quarter type of thing to model going forward.

Vince Valentini

analyst
#14

Okay. And putting that together with the revenue and then margin outlook, is this free cash flow you generated in 2019 a reasonable indicator of what the run rate can be? Or do you think you can do another $4 million-or-so in 2020?

David Charron

executive
#15

Yes, absolutely.

Vince Valentini

analyst
#16

Okay. And then lastly, is there anything updated in terms of strategic thoughts on the spectrum? I know you're pushing ahead with the trials, but if there's anything new you can update us on, on what you think the wireless carriers are doing, given the hearing going on right now? And the 3.5-gigahertz spectrum auctions still not still not set in stone, but theoretically coming later this year, if you get a sense that anybody is looking at millimeter wave spectrum yet? Or are there -- are the incumbent carriers in Canada all just sort of sitting and waiting to see what happens with the CRTC and the 3.5 gig before they even consider strategic options on millimeter wave?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#17

Yes. Well, thanks for the question, Vince. And I think the play in Canada, quite frankly, I think, is you won't start to hear a lot of millimeter wave discussions until the 3.5-gigahertz spectrum auction has taken place at the end of this year. That being said, I think, globally, you've seen a real groundswell of millimeter wave activity. So for example, certainly in the U.S., they've conducted all their auctions in the 24, the 28 and the 38, 39, which is just about completed. That gives us certainly confidence that the U.S. carriers are going to be very much -- they're certainly betting a lot on millimeter wave, and has a significant role to play along with the other spectrum assets. So we're very encouraged. That, along with now the Qualcomm chipsets, are going to be included. As it relates to millimeter wave, I think we're going to be something that after the auction of 3.5, you're going to see a lot more activity.

Operator

operator
#18

Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Lee from Canaccord Genuity.

Matthew Lee

analyst
#19

Can you maybe just discuss the nature of magnitude of the onetime costs in the quarter for Q4? It was in the MD&A.

David Charron

executive
#20

Yes. And it was also in, I think, Note 13, probably somewhat buried in that, but we did disclose that we took a provision for a contingency of about $500,000. So that amount wasn't disclosed, albeit somewhat buried.

Matthew Lee

analyst
#21

All right. Great. And then on the colocation side, you obviously benefited from the onetime termination fee. Is it fair to say that, that's excluded from the way you calculate ARPU?

David Charron

executive
#22

I think that's correct. I would have to double check that, but I think that's the correct assumption.

Matthew Lee

analyst
#23

Right. So if that's the case, and I mean, ARPU growth was really strong for the quarter, is that -- you guys have sort of talked in the past about how you kind of pruned your customer base to get rid of some of the lower-end customers. And given the fact that your churn is down, ARPU is up, can we assume that you're comfortable with your customer base as it is? And that kind of pruning has been completed?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#24

I'd say, by and large, we -- I think that statement is correct, Matthew. I think the fact is, though, we're spending a lot of focus, particularly last year and this year on really moving more products to market. You saw the 50/10 announcement that we have announced. That really will be aimed at retaining some of those customers. As well, I think you're going to see that moving forward, as we start to focus more on our existing customer base, and we have a very rich customer base as we start to cross-sell our data center customers with our connectivity and vice versa. I think we're doing a much better job at getting greater ARPU from our existing customers, and I think you're going to see that continue in 2020.

Operator

operator
#25

Your next question comes from the line of David McFadgen from Cormark.

David McFadgen

analyst
#26

So I was just looking at Slide 14 of your presentation. I was just looking at the various breakdown of the millimeter wave spectrum. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the 24-gigahertz spectrum still hasn't been designated for anything other than fixed wireless use. Is that still correct?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#27

Yes, that's correct, David. I think a couple of notable points, though, is that WRC-19 was just a -- it was a global standard. They set global standards for spectrum. The 5G component of that presentation this past year, actually had both the 38 and the 24 as designated 5G spectrum globally. And how -- what we -- and I think that's very encouraging for a company like TeraGo where I think ISED certainly was looking for some direction globally. And I think, I would not be surprised if certainly they're revisiting their priority level of 24 over the next few months.

David McFadgen

analyst
#28

Okay. So have you heard any news out of Ottawa that the government's kind of refine that spectrum and allow for mobile use to 24-gigahertz. Have you heard anything about that?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#29

We continue to have dialogue with ISED. I think they have not indicated to us that certainly that's going to be, right now, it's a priority too in their forecast. But I think I would not be surprised, as I mentioned that they would actually move that to a Priority 1, hopefully, over the next little while based on the WRC decisions. But to be quite frank, given the global and more specifically, the U.S. intent of moving into 24, which just compromises a significant part of their millimeter wave strategy, to harmonize North American-wide, I think, makes a lot of sense. And so far, I've seen, certainly, ISED following in that direction.

David McFadgen

analyst
#30

Okay. And then can you just talk about any use cases that you foresee, millimeter wave spectrum being used for, like in your test trials and just from clients and stuff like that?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#31

Yes, I think you're going to certainly see -- I mean, the first use case, quite frankly, is going to be Internet itself, right? I think just having greater bandwidth capabilities, greater throughput and greater latency capabilities, I think would be the initial foray, if you will, into 5G. But I think the 2 areas that certainly we are seeing as use cases, and as we start to speak with customers that are looking to come on the 5G trials. For example, you're going to look at manufacturing, I think the -- the industrial IoT is one that is -- has gained a lot of momentum. Many of the robotics and machinery in manufacturing facilities are all going to be 5G capable. And then certainly on the retail side as well, I think apparels and things of that nature are looking as very interesting applications that we're talking to customers about. So I think those would be the 2 areas. And I think the third area that really has gained a lot of momentum is really in the whole private 5G area, where you have companies like mining, where they actually will put forward a closed or a private 5G network. And certainly, that is another opportunity for a company like TeraGo.

Operator

operator
#32

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Maher Yaghi from Desjardins.

Maher Yaghi

analyst
#33

Guys, I wanted to -- can you remind us what your position is on the current ongoing review for the CRTC on wireless when it pertains to network usage and MVNO access? I'll start with that and then I have a few follow-up questions.

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#34

Sure. And Maher, thanks for the question. But we haven't established a position on MVNO as part of the ongoing discussions and consultations that are going on in Ottawa.

Maher Yaghi

analyst
#35

That's why I asked the question because I didn't see you guys participate actively in the proceedings. And so I'm wondering, given the sizable position that you have in terms of spectrum and your investments that you're beginning to do in 5G, I'm wondering why you have not stated your position?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#36

Yes. It's -- I think the view that we have at this point in time is that there could be a role to play for a company like TeraGo. As you start to look at the different flavors of MVNOs that the Ottawa consultation will consider whether companies will be required to be a network-based provider and/or a very skinny MVNO, we're basically totally reliant on the carriers. Certainly, we're looking at it very attentively, but we are not actually actively participating, although there may be a role to play in that, and we're certainly looking at that as a possibility.

Maher Yaghi

analyst
#37

Right. But -- so as a company that your goal is to establish some footprint in terms of deployment, aren't you worried that if there is a regulation on usage that some of your equipment and spectrum will be used by other players at rates that might not be economical to you? And isn't that an important position that you need to defend?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#38

I'm not quite clear on that, Maher. Maybe we can certainly take that off-line, but I certainly don't see that we are or have an exposure as it relates to that. But certainly, I'd be very interested in learning more about how you're looking at it.

Maher Yaghi

analyst
#39

Okay. I'll maybe switch gear to the connectivity increase in the backlog. You mentioned that it's part of the result of your investments and push to increase your client base size. Can you talk about the ARPU that is expected to come from that increase in backlog? And how widespread is it? Is it multiple clients? Or it's a one -- a couple of significant clients who signed up?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#40

Yes. It is a multiple clients activity. So it's not just one client that attributed to that backlog. We actually, again, I think, attributed to the swell of U.S. companies that are working with our channel partners to have operations in Canada, and we've actually started to roll out larger multi-site opportunities where the ARPU, in general, is actually significantly higher than what we had in the past. I think you're also going to see another contributor around that, and that is the whole SD-WAN area that we talked about where you need networking requirements as it relates to that, but there's a significant managed component to it, and that also will contribute to increase in ARPU. So we feel very bullish that this is a positive systemic resurgence of the connectivity portfolio, and our focus on investments in it.

Maher Yaghi

analyst
#41

Okay, great. Great to hear. And maybe on the colocation and your data enterprise business, we've seen a recent push by some private companies, private equity groups to acquire positions in the sector. What's your position in terms of how important is -- this segment is to your overall operation as you head into a 5G potential deployment? Is that segment still a core?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#42

Yes. So I would view it a little bit differently in saying that both lines of businesses, certainly, we focused on -- we focus on operationally to drive the top line growth that we're looking for as an organization. So we'll continue to do that. We made significant investments in our data and our data center operations over the past 4 or 5 years. We don't envisage as a going-forward position that we need to invest more and the growth, really, and the investments are going to be within the next-generation connectivity portion of our business where we see the greatest opportunity for a company like TeraGo.

Maher Yaghi

analyst
#43

Okay. Great. And my last question on the connectivity segment into your new opportunity. So you selected the channel partner, I guess, the equipment manufacturing partner, the OEMs. And when it comes to deployment, do you have a sense of what the CapEx could look like yet? Or it's still dependent on your testing and initial client potential testing at the premises of the clients?

David Charron

executive
#44

You mean on the 5G stuff, Maher?

Maher Yaghi

analyst
#45

Yes. Yes, exactly.

David Charron

executive
#46

Yes. So as we stated, we're going to -- we plan on spending about $500,000 in the year for our technical and customer trials. Going forward, we'll be very, I think the term that was used, judicious in how we roll out services. The -- we expect the cost to start coming down as more equipment is being deployed, both in Canada and across the U.S. and globally. So we haven't locked down on costs per se, but we know that we're in the ballpark with other manufacturers as well.

Maher Yaghi

analyst
#47

Is it comparable in terms of return on invested capital to your existing connectivity business? Or is there some kind of a significant up or down move in ROIC when it comes to 5G?

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#48

Well, I'll let David chime in. But I think just before that, I think, overall, you're going to see an improvement in ROIC simply because of the technology, it is very much a multi point. It's a bit of a -- the technology allows the sectors to be covered almost 360 degrees versus what we do today, which is either a point-to-point or point-to-multipoint configuration. So on a cost per user, I would say that's going to come down and certainly increase our return on investment, but...

David Charron

executive
#49

And I completely agree.

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#50

We're really encouraged about that. Yes.

Operator

operator
#51

There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the call over to management for closing remarks.

Antonio Ciciretto

executive
#52

All right. Well, thank you, everyone, for joining us on our call today. We appreciate your -- obviously, your continued support and look forward to speaking with you on the next call. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#53

This concludes today's conference call, you may now disconnect.

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