Zebra Technologies Corporation (ZBRA) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
June 4, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Toni Sacconaghi
analystGood morning, everyone, and welcome. I'm Toni Sacconaghi, Bernstein's IT Hardware Analyst. And I'm excited to have Anders Gustafsson, the CEO of Zebra Technologies join us today. Anders has been at our conference for the last several years. And it's been coincident with a period of growth and dramatically improving profitability at the company. Zebra stock is up tenfold in the last 5 years, and up -- and has doubled over the last year. So Anders, congratulations on terrific performance, and thank you again for your participation in our conference.
Anders Gustafsson
executiveThank you. Thank you. There might be some causality there or at least you've been a very auspicious part of our journey.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystI was hoping to infer some causality. I'm glad you brought it out explicitly. So thank you for that. Also joining us is Mike Steele, Head of Investor Relations at Zebra. So welcome, Mike.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystSo Anders, maybe we can just start with the obvious question, which is how did the pandemic impact Zebra? And did you feel a similar impact in both your divisions, your EMV and AIT businesses?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. So when -- if we go back 12 months to -- when we were talking last, right, there was a big dislocation in our business. The great bifurcation between customers. We had the kind of the have and the have nots. So we saw many of our largest, most, say, sophisticated customers that were deemed essential in grocery, general merchandise, transportation and logistics, particularly with the e-commerce delivery type focus on them. They were best positioned to kind of pivot and adapt to a COVID world. They -- you saw things like buy online, pick up at store being a very nascent niche kind of application beforehand, but that became the go-to modality for consumers to shop. And that was an application that got rolled out, both widely and deeply. So going from being in maybe 1 or 2 stores as a test case to all stores. And then getting many, many people to be able to pick and pack orders in stores to serve those customers. And then we had other -- people who are deemed nonessential, they were basically shut down. But we -- I must say, we -- the world bounced back quicker than we had expected a year ago. So we've seen now, as they're kind of coming out of COVID, a much greater sense of urgency around trends to digitize and automate businesses, the on-demand, the economy as an expression is something that our customers are now -- have been spending an awful time trying to understand. We've seen, say, smaller -- our small or mid-sized customers come back much stronger, started in Q4 and in Q1. And when they come back now, they feel that they have to build similar capabilities as their larger [ brethren ]. So they have to invest in automation and digitization capabilities also. And I'd say the -- just as an example of how kind of frontline innovation around digitization, automation ripples through the entire supply chain. If you take that buy online, pick up at store use case, that is the sharp end of the use case, the consumer-facing one. But if you're going to offer that as a service with high-quality and confidence, you need to make sure that you have all the goods in inventory that you commit to having delivered and retailers, particularly as they have generally been pretty poor at inventory accuracy. So we say now that people are investing in new solutions to drive increased in-store inventory accuracy. And the whole move to becoming much more dynamic. So if you think of the operating workflows. So if you think of 10 years back, you showed up in a retail store or in a warehouse, in the factory, generally, you've got a excel print out with 15 actions on it that you had to do that you can work away through those sequentially. But if you're now going to take an order online and have it be delivered by 1 p.m., you have to dynamically be able to insert things in work streams. So yes Reflexis does that very well for us. It helps in those areas. But it also has ripple effects then into warehouses, distribution centers and all the way back to manufacturing where everybody has to be much more on demand, more real-time and dynamic, and that drives a lot of investments in digitalization and automation.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. So I mean you're right. It's been quite a difference. I remember last year, I think at this time, you were guiding revenue to be down double digits, and now you're guiding revenue to be up 40%. I think as you said in hindsight, the recovery came quicker. Revenues were kind of flat last year. And this year, you're projecting to be up 20% or so. So clearly, you're seeing that benefit. I guess a couple of questions. Do you believe what we're seeing now is kind of accelerated replacement cycles in your core products? Or are we seeing new users? Or are we seeing incremental revenues from new offerings? And maybe you could try and quantify that impact to the degree that you can because I think that's a really essential question.
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. It's hard for us to quantify kind of that granular as we go through channel partners and distribution for a lot of these things. So we don't have great visibility to dollar amounts for each, say, use case. But I would say that during COVID, what happened was that it was largely existing solutions that were scaling. So take the buy online, pick up at store as an example. Most larger retailers had tested it a little bit. There was a kind of a niche application. They needed to scale it, but it was existing technology that was scaling and penetrating more deeply. Today, I think we still see a lot of that scaling of being able to offer these new types of services and adopt those for kind of mass production. But we also see more new type of innovation around digitization and automation to try to figure out how can I make my operations more resilient as an example, and dependent on -- we have been able to always operate with more social distancing if there were to be another wave or rely less on people to execute on all the workflows.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. I guess, we've seen this in other positively-benefited COVID industries. I follow the PC industry very closely. Many internet access devices like iPads and tablets, Chromebooks have done extremely well. I guess the question is, is this the start of a new frontier? Or are you sort of having a onetime benefit and you kind of revert back to more normalized trends, right? So if I look at the last 5 years, revenue growth has been kind of mid-single digits for Zebra. This year, it's going to be 20%. How much of this is a structural change. And if you look out kind of 5 years beyond this year, should we be looking at that kind of mid-single-digit growth rate? Or do you really believe things have structurally changed? And what is more normalized growth rate?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. First is that we feel probably more confident, the more enthusiastic about the business today than we have ever before. There's a number of strong secular trends that I think are here to stay around digitization and automation. If you also think of -- go back 5 years, a lot of the innovation in digitization then were more around data center applications. Today, a lot of it comes from enabling the front line worker, the edge of operations to be connected. And our focus on making sure that the front line worker is connected and able to perform their tasks better, reduce friction in those workflows, I believe is a longer-term secular trend. So I do believe that we are seeing some changes that are more longer-term in nature. We're, so far, holding off, coming out with new long-term growth targets. We feel that the market is still why we've kind of exited the troughs of COVID, we're still not necessarily in a totally stable situation. I don't think we think that 20% growth is the new normal for Zebra. So we want to wait till we have a little bit more confidence by what the -- what exact numbers will be, what we can stand behind.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. Sure. I understand. And Anders, related to that is, is there a risk of an air pocket on the other side of this demand, right? So one of the things that I think a lot about, and I think investors do in the PC industry is, wow, we added so many new users in 1 year and yes, the market may be structurally better. But we may not be able to add as many new users next year. And as a result, even if you were to go from mid-single-digit growth to something higher, maybe you overshoot that this year, you undershoot that next year or the following year and then you kind of normalize out. How do you think about that potential risk of whatever you want to call it, a pull forward this year and an air pocket going forward. How do you think about that?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. I'd say that I would be more concerned about that if the demand we saw came from more limited number of [Technical Difficulty].
Toni Sacconaghi
analystI'm having trouble hearing Anders right now.
Anders Gustafsson
executiveCan you hear me now?
Toni Sacconaghi
analystNow we can. Thank you.
Anders Gustafsson
executiveSomething went wrong there. Yes, I was saying that I would be more concerned with an air pocket if we didn't see such broad-based demand today. So in Q1, we were up double digits in all product categories, all geographies, all verticals. So it's harder to see. We would have all of those kind of pull back similarly. So it feels like it is a more robust, broad-based demand environment where these secular trends around digitization and automation are not -- I don't believe something that companies can fully take advantage of over 1 year. They can do certain kind of front-end applications. But I do believe that in order to fully take advantage of those, there will be follow-on investments kind of further up the supply chain.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystGot it. I wonder if the technical difficulties have something to do with the high resolution Zebras behind you, Anders. Good thing they're not in motion, but -- so I was wondering if you could speak to whether you have an elevated backlog relative to historical levels and whether you've had challenges in securing components? That is something that we've heard throughout the broader computing landscape, and I'm wondering if Zebra has felt those impacts as well?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. We're certainly not immune to the longer lead times and the tightness in supply of semiconductors. I believe that we have experienced this a little bit less than many others. And that -- this time last year, we did not cut our 2021 forecast on our semiconductor vendors. We maintained the forecast we had. And we were relatively quick I think in starting to improve or increase those forecasts in the second half of last year. But it's also fair to say that we had not fully anticipated the growth that we've seen this year, so the upside to that has been harder. We do manage our inventory levels with our distribution channels very carefully. We want them to be -- our distribution partners to be properly stacked -- stocked, not overstocked, not understocked. And we measure that on the days on hand basis, and we get into SKU level. So we don't want anyone to have more needs -- more inventory than they need and try to corner the market by then having availability when others don't. So we try to spread it out that way. We also work with our larger customers, closely, to make sure that we can support their critical needs. If they have new facilities opening up or other things where they depend on our type of solutions, we want to make very sure that we can support that. But we don't necessarily want them to buy that 6 months in advance where there are other people who may need it. So we work closely with our customers to make sure we can allocate this as well as we can. But it's fair to say also, we are getting orders earlier to make sure that our customers can kind of put themselves into the queue, but we try not to kind of -- we're careful to make sure we can satisfy critical demand before kind of more need -- good to have a demand.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. But is it fair to say that either your channel inventory levels are lower or your order backlog is higher than typical? Or have you been able to manage it in a way that you're kind of at normal levels for both?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveSo channel inventory is at normal levels or, if anything, slightly lower than normal, our backlog is higher, but it's more higher in that we have greater visibility now further out as people want to put in orders early for -- to ensure the line -- that place in line.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. And Anders, what have you seen on the pricing side, given that you are seeing a robust demand environment. Often when demand is good, there's less discounting or there's more ability to take price or direct people to higher price, higher-margin SKUs. What are you seeing on the pricing side?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYou mean pricing of our products, not the...
Toni Sacconaghi
analystCorrect.
Anders Gustafsson
executiveSourcing, yes? So we -- pricing is obviously an important part of how we run the business. We have, so far, deemed that we don't think it's appropriate for us to do a broad-based raised list price for all products by a certain percentage. We think that still hangover from COVID, people remember these things. And also with us having such a strong market position that we don't want to give people the perception that we can force these things. So we'd rather be a follower on those types. But we have other ways of addressing this more dynamically, right? If we look at individual products or SKUs daily to make sure that they're priced appropriately against the competition. But the most dynamic one is that we sell most of our solutions on price concessions. So we can look at specific deals as they come in and say, "do we -- what is an appropriate discount for this order in this environment?" So there is how we can be a little bit more disciplined, a little bit more discerning in how much discount we need to offer.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. Yes, because we're certainly hearing from other hardware vendors that discounting is lower than -- is much lower than usual. And it sounds like you may be seeing part of that. And part of the reason I ask, Anders, is you did have nice gross margin improvement in the just reported quarter. And so how much of that is related to an ability to maybe have less discounting because of the competitive demand environment? And then what are the other factors that are -- that helped gross margin in the quarter?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. I'd say it was probably less based on, say, price increases. That was probably a small part of that. The 2 biggest parts, I would say, was a mix, very strong mix. We had a lot of our small- and medium-sized businesses, what we think of as run rate businesses. These are smaller orders where we don't -- those customers don't have the volume nor necessarily the sophistication to negotiate as well as our largest customers. And that segment grew particularly fast in Q1, and also more of a scale absorption in that we had a very strong quarter so we could absorb more of the fixed cost. I would say, those are the 2 biggest factors for that.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. And so just on the -- I'll talk about EBIT margins in a sec. But just on the gross margin side, Anders, just to you, as a result, maybe end up giving some of that back if the mix kind of reverts more towards normal? Or you don't have the same operating leverage? Or should investors be thinking about kind of gross margin levels that we saw in the just reported quarter as potentially being more sustainable?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. I think we also have a number of negative impacts on our gross margin in Q1. We have inflated freight charges. The semiconductor parts costs are higher, too. So we do see kind of inflationary pressure on our cost side. But we do think those must be temporary in nature. I do think freight charges will be elevated this year, but I would expect that when commercial flights come back and otherwise more dedicated freight charter planes come back into service, we will see freight charges kind of revert back to more normal. So there's certainly an offsetting number of cost drivers that would benefit the gross margin also.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. And so does that net out something that you feel gross margins, which historically have been relatively flat but were stronger this quarter, I think are expected to be stronger next quarter. Is that something that investors should believe could be more sustainable then?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. So first, we don't see a ceiling on gross margins. And if you look over the slightly longer period, you will see a pretty steady increase in our gross margins. If you take printing as an example. When I joined Zebra, 13 years back, I think our print gross margins were around mid-40%. And they were over 50% now. So there's been steady improvement. If you look at our services gross margin a little bit more carefully here, we've improved those by about 10 percentage points over the last couple of years. Our mobile computing margins have gone up by at least 5% since we acquired the Enterprise business from Motorola also. So you've seen a steady improvement in gross margin. And now as you look at the portfolio, with more and more of our portfolio being software-as-a-service kind of related, we see that as another driver of improved margins.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. Yes. I just -- I very simplistically ran 5-year revenue growth, 5-year gross profit dollar growth and 5-year net profit dollar growth. And what was so striking to me was really the leverage between gross profit. So revenues were up about 21% during the period. Gross profit dollars were up a similar amount. But net income was up 160% during that period. So most of the net income strength has really come from between the gross margin line and the net income line. And your EBITDA target had always been 20% and you're comfortably above that. I think you're guiding for 22% to 23%. So what has been the real driver of that net income growth and how should investors think about the 22 -- the EBITDA margins going forward? Because I'm -- it was always 20%, and I remember talking to you about it, you've blown through that now. So, a, great job, but how do we think about that going forward?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. Similar to the gross margin discussion, we certainly don't see that there's a ceiling somehow on our EBITDA line. Operating leverage is part of how we run the business. We always look at how do we drive operating leverage and be thoughtful about the investments. We certainly want to invest appropriately to drive long-term growth, but also want to make sure that we can allocate our dollars to the highest returning opportunities and driving cost reductions in other parts of the business. As we go forward, we -- if you look at our software-as-a-service kind of portfolio, that's still fairly modest in size, but it is growing. As we scale that, we would expect that we would go from more -- we talked about the Reflexis deal last year as being kind of gross EBITDA-dollar neutral this year. But as we scale that, we would certainly expect that to be EBITDA-margin accretive also.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. I mean, has the -- at least my take on the software service mix, which I think you report occasionally, it doesn't look like it's dramatically changed as a percentage of revenue. I don't know if there's an aspirational target or how you think that could change over time. Because that's clearly a big structural lever if you are able to improve that business. So maybe you can just tell us kind of where you're at now? And is there an explicit target? Or is there -- or how do you think about that as a lever going forward?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. Our software revenues are in the single digits still, but they are growing faster than the corporate average, certainly, and we've been able to add to it through inorganic activities. We don't have a specific, we want software to be x percent of our revenues. I don't want software to win based on default. We want to push our device and more, say, hardware solutions teams to grow as fast as they possibly can. At the end push our software teams to grow as fast as they can. So -- but I do expect our software business to grow faster, both organically, and we do believe that there are still attractive inorganic opportunities for us to add to our software revenue mix.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystGot it. And before we turn to each of the individual businesses, you talked about strength in SMB that you saw in the quarter, were there other either verticals or geographies that were notably strong that you can speak to? And any broader sense of where you think we are in the economic recovery?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. I would say, what stood out is the biggest anomaly in that respect is probably that we had such strength, broad-based strength, that was really, as I said earlier, across all geographies, all verticals and all geographies. We see each of our vertical markets having strong secular trends supporting the business. Health care is the -- has been our fastest-growing vertical, and I would expect health care to continue to be our fastest-growing vertical. The trends there around digitization of the entire patient journey is very strong. The health care industry is kind of now back to working more like they did pre-COVID. They're not quite -- the hangover from COVID is mostly gone, I'd say. And we see the digitization to kind of go broader. It started off, say, you would digitize the x-ray room. Now you digitize an entire hospital, including kind of home care. So we want to make sure that we can help the admissions process be as easy as possible. And you go to see your regular doctor when you send -- the doctor might send you to the x-ray room. And once you're done with that, our devices will help make sure that we can alert the system that you're done with that. The room is done and needs to be cleaned. So the entire workflow process and track and trace everything in between. All the way to discharge from the hospital and say that now it just triggers any workflow around your home care, your therapist needs to come to your house, twice a week, to work on something.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. So that triggers kind of a question for me, Anders because when I think about the core Zebra product, I think of kind of a ruggedized handheld computer, right? The old sort of symbol technologies, original device, right? And you could drop it at -- had processing power and software built in, et cetera, et cetera. When I hear you talk about health care applications and front office applications, is the Zebra value proposition the same because I can't help thinking, well, why wouldn't there be a third-party application that would be put on a more traditional handheld device like an iPhone or whatnot. And so -- and that feels different to me than the person in the back of the warehouse with the handheld scanner, et cetera, a dirty working environment, et cetera. So what is the value proposition in a more, for lack of a better term, sort of a front office space the same for Zebra as it's traditionally been for more warehouse and retail applications? And has your offering changed over time?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. So we have a portfolio of mobile computer devices, all the way from the most ruggedized devices that you would see in more, say, logistics applications, the drivers that are out on the road and so forth, to much more consumer-like devices. So there's smaller, sleeker, more lighter, somewhat more ruggedized to make sure they can withstand being dropped and so forth. And in health care, there's one physical requirements, a little different in that they have to be -- withstand being wiped down by solvents and cleaning products that are much stronger without kind of destroying the plastic or screens and so forth. So that is a -- there is a physical limitation to that. But I would say more, you are operating in health care in a HIPAA environment. So protecting your -- the patient's information is important. Often, when you see caregivers with a consumer device, it is their personal device. So they take it home at night. They may not necessarily be able to access the data, but it's probably not quite as secure as that. And we also have a full suite of solutions that are integrated into the device around cameras taking pictures of device -- of a wound, being able to scan very effectively, barcodes on medications on anything. So the system works very well for us, and we have a strong market share position in health care. I can't say exactly how -- it's a little harder to track consumer devices there because they often are the personal individual device.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. Right. I guess the broader question is, do you worry that your competition is more from traditional players? Or is it from the consumer device being good enough in certain of your vertical segments? And have you seen any evidence of sort of cannibalization from professional or consumer devices, meaning people bringing their own personal iPhones in lieu of your handheld offering?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. As we expand our markets, we do come across consumer more often, but it's not a new phenomenon, right? If you go back to 2012, '13, say, consumer devices were very often introduced into more ruggedized environments, too. And over time, we have basically won back most of those -- sorry, I can't -- probably can't say all, but most of those, right? We compete against the consumer every day. We track statistics very carefully. And we win much more than we lose. But I think also here, we know where we play. I think consumers know where they play more. So if it is -- if the use case includes more focus on total cost of ownership, more scan intensive, so productivity measures and the serviceability of those devices and how we can incorporate more of a broader-based solution, we tend to win. But if it's more, somebody needs to do e-mail and phone calls, we don't -- we tend not to compete in those spaces.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. Well, you have increased your market share in mobile computing. I think when you first came to the conference several years ago, it was in the 40s. Now, I think it's comfortably at 50 or more. And I think my model for the growth in that business has been -- it grows at GDP or a little better and you gained 1 point of share per year and therefore, you get growth. It's -- 2 questions. Do you still feel that you can continue to gain share at the same pace or does that accelerate or diminish, given that you're 2x your nearest competitor, more than 2x your nearest competitor. So how do we think about share gains? And is that model of GDP or maybe GDP-plus-type growth, given the new applications you talked about plus share gains, how an investor should think about trying to evaluate the growth for this business?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. We've gotten growth from a few different areas. And first would be, I would say, we -- the proliferation of new use cases, the penetration of our devices deeper into our customers' environments is a great example of how we've driven growth faster than what we had expected a few years back. And mobile computing has certainly grown comfortably above the mid-single digits. I don't remember off the top of my head exactly where it's -- what the growth rate has been over the last 5 years, but it's comfortably above that. If you go back to 2015, say, you would in a large retail facility have maybe 6, 7, Microsoft devices running a couple of applications each. Today, you would easily see 70, 80, 90 devices running 50-plus applications. So the -- our customers continue to see the need or the benefit of digitizing and automating their businesses, enabling the front line workers to be connected and be able to reduce friction in those workflows, be able to more dynamically use their workforce in that respect. So there's been a market expansion activity there. We've also been able to gain share, as you mentioned. And when I talk to our internal salespeople, they tend to say, "How can you expect us to gain share when we already have 50 or 60 in Android." And I said, there are examples of other companies. I don't need to mention them today here, but we've seen how they accelerated share gains when they got to 40. And I say, if you think of how it is to compete with Zebra, we have people who on occasion leave Zebra to go to a smaller competitor, they think that the world will be their oyster. There's -- they only need to have one deal to make the year. They usually -- we hear background, that it's really hard to compete again Zebra. You're everywhere. You have a strong portfolio. You have all the partners. So it's not easy to kind of find a meaningful way of breaking in. And we see with our smaller competitors, they tend to have maybe a year, they get a deal. They have a hard time replicating it next year. So they kind of pop up a little bit in share and then drop down again. So we certainly are continuing to drive our business for continued share gain.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. And are you seeing any change in the replacement cycle of devices? I mean, it sounds like deeper penetration of existing accounts plus potentially new applications have been big drivers of your growth. How do you think about replacement cycles have been stable, elongating, shortening?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveThey have the -- on mobile computing, specifically, say, they have...
Toni Sacconaghi
analystYes.
Anders Gustafsson
executiveThey have shortened compared to what they were with Microsoft devices. And there's 2 reasons, I would say, for that, but both go back to kind of the level of innovation around the platform. One is around the Android operating system. So if you have a 3-year old device and you today put the latest android on it, it's going to require more memory, more processing power to run smoothly. And then the other one will be, it used to -- we used to have, as I said, 2, 3 applications on a device. Today, we have routinely over 50. So again, the need for memory and speed, processing speeds are there. And you have most of our end users, the customers, they have a reference point in their own personal smartphone. So they -- if the device at work is -- feels slow and sluggish, they complain. So I think the -- basically the innovation around the platform that drives the need for more memory, the need for more processing power has also reduced the refresh cycles by probably about a year.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystOkay. Yes. I mean that's obviously significant because if you go from 6 years to 5 years, that's an extra 15% of units, so...
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. We see probably 4 to 5 years to 3 to 4 years will be kind of the improvement we see. Yes.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystSo even higher technically as a percentage in terms of the growth.
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystSo you recently announced that you were entering a fixed industrial scanning and machine vision markets. And as part of that, you acquired Adaptive Vision, which I gather is really machine vision software company. So maybe you can talk about, a, what your existing portfolio is of machine vision and scanning products, fixed scanning products are? And then how Adaptive Vision fits into that?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. So firstly, we see machine vision fixed industrial scanning as a near adjacency to our business. There's a lot of commonality with our scanning portfolio that we -- where we've been for a long time reading -- and we -- when we look at how we are entering the market, we start by entering into the fixed industrial scanning space, which is more of, say, logistics, warehousing, reading barcodes at higher speed, broader field of view. So it's not -- application is not well suited for traditional scanners, but they are leveraging a lot of our capabilities there. And then we will continue to add functionality into -- to allow us to move into more manufacturing applications, reading field levels in a bottle and this cap put on right is the -- looking at the brake assembly or all the rivets put on in the right place and so forth. So we will continue to add to our functionality here. We saw -- yes, we studied the market very carefully and we saw 2 areas where we felt we could bring some innovation to the market. One was around the flexibility of our cameras or our device solutions. The industry historically has been quite -- lots of SKUs where each SKU was very unique to a use case where we are -- we can much more flexibly set up our camera. So if going, say, from a fixed industrial scanner to machine vision, for us, it's just downloading new software where for most of our competitors, that is a new camera. So we think that gives us a strong advantage. Another area we focused on was the ease of use. The space has grown up a little bit more on, say, being very engineering-centric. So deploying a machine vision system tended to be a relatively involved system integration activity. We worked hard on making sure that we can very intuitively enable our customers to set up these systems. We've sent out solutions to our -- to potential customers where they're within an hour or 2, been able to set it up and start getting images and incorporate it into their workflows. And the Adaptive Vision was -- is a software company that, like you said, particularly focused on making it easy to build or say, drag and drop different steps in a machine vision process to make it as easy as possible to get up and running quickly and flexibly.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystNow do you envision your solutions to be able to be fully deployed by customers? Or will your reseller partners need to develop incremental capability to help deploy these solutions over time?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. So the -- some customers are -- they have great in-house capabilities, and we would certainly expect that they would be able to deploy this themselves. But the industry, the space is heavily dependent on resellers and system integrators. And we have at Zebra, as our history is very strong on leveraging indirect channel partners. And we see that our ability to work with channel partners is important here. We believe that we need -- we want channel partners integrators to participate and identify new opportunities for us and be able to expand the market more quickly with us.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystYes. Will you -- will the entry into this market require new and different reselling partners? Or do you believe that many or some portion of your existing resellers can qualify either through your own training or have existing capabilities by selling competitor products that they'll be largely the same?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. It's a -- I'll say, it's a Venn diagram, say, between the machine vision partners and Zebra traditional partners. So there are some that are already doing both, and there will be a natural part for us to focus on. There's also some very strong, more dedicated machine vision partners that we think will be great partners that have expressed interest in working with us. And there are also existing Zebra partners that are -- that have an ambition -- and an ambition to continue to invest in their business and building new capabilities and see this as a great way for them to expand their capabilities. So we would expect to kind of work on all of them. In a measured way, we need to make sure we get the the programs and the training and all of these things going to iron out, so we can truly ramp up our partner activities. But we do expect partners to be an integral part of our go to market.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. And what milepost should investors be looking at to determine whether this is a successful 1 or 3 years from now? Is it number of resellers? Is it a revenue target? Is it additional investment and acquisitions? How should investors look to try and track your progress in this business because it is competitive, there are established competitors in this marketplace, like Cognex and Datalogic, et cetera?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. So first, we're not trying to just go after the most competitive spaces. It's a fairly fragmented market. There are a lot of white spaces, areas where there aren't as much competition. We try to figure out where we have the real strength and the competitive pressure won't be quite as intense. We -- from an internal perspective, certainly, what we're looking for, first, is how many proof of concepts, how many pilots do we get? What does the pipeline look like? But ultimately, it's going to be, how is the revenue scaling? Or how is our market share coming along.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystGot it. So that brings me to just sort of the broader software strategy. You mentioned Reflexis and that acquisition, and you've done others as well. Can you talk about your software strategy is -- and how focused is it? Is there a priority for the MV market, let's say? Or is it broader work management solutions like Reflexis? Maybe you can just talk about, a, your software strategy and what your priority areas are?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. So if I back up and start with kind of the broader strategy and how software fits into it. But we have our Enterprise Asset Intelligence vision, that we have kind of developed over the last 7 years or so. And from an acquisition perspective, the first filter, the biggest filter we have is that that's an acquisition add to our -- help us accelerate the execution of our vision. Then we look at our -- this framework of sense, analyze, act to see how it kind of all hangs together, how we offer broader solutions for our customers. And our heritage have been on the sense side, so reading barcodes or for the e-tagged, we expanded every machine vision capabilities now. But over the last, say, 3, 4 years, we have been particularly focused on expanding our capabilities on the analyze and act side. And that tends to be particularly software-oriented. So the last 4 acquisitions we made have been pure software acquisitions. We see great opportunity and importance for us to focus on the analyze and act side as that really helps deliver outcomes to our customers. And what they really want is outcomes. They don't buy a device, say, for the sake of having a device. They're looking to drive outcomes. And we can move up the solution stack with our customers here also. So -- and when we did, say, Zebra Prescriptive Analytics first, well after that, it was easier to find new adjacent or synergistic software solutions like Reflexis. And with Reflexis, we now find it easier to find other solutions offerings that we could hang off that. But we still look very much at making sure that the entire portfolio is synergistic. So we want -- like if you take Reflexis, as an example. The Reflexis solution is more valuable. The ROI of that solution is more valuable, the more people are -- associates have access to a mobile computer, say, so they can add data, they can upload data to the software that Reflexis can incorporate into its analytics engine and come out with more higher return actions. Similarly, the devices become more valuable in that they now help the system identify who is the best associate to executing this task. If they don't have a device, they're not visible to the system. And if you need to have somebody fulfill the stock out in the store shelf, you want to pick somebody who is in already in the back of the store, who is not currently actively working in important workflow, rather than pick somebody who is busy in the front of store and have to go to the back of store to do this. So we help -- the systems helped really drive the entire -- it's a system solution. It's not a piece part or device solution only.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. But in terms of our revenue model, will software generally be sold separately? Or will it be an enabler of solutions, in which case, it's part of what you buy, right? So is Adaptive Vision going to be sort of your enabling technology for your machine vision, hardware and be included? And Reflexis is actually going to be something that people pay per SKU or per user. What -- how do you view software? Is it an enabler? Or is it a revenue generator? Or does it span both depending on the product?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveIt's a good question. So if you look at -- it'll probably be both. But if you take ZPA and Reflexis, those will be stand-alone software-as-a-service offerings. Very traditional modality. Adaptive Vision, we will see 2 ways, I expect. We will sell it as a stand-alone capability. It's a software offering. But we will also incorporate it into our offering, our tool sets that we bring to our customers to -- when we offer them machine vision capabilities.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystGot it. Okay. We're just finishing up on time here. So maybe I'll ask one more, and then I'll sort of turn things over to you to conclude. But if I just think about capital allocation, I think your target leverage ratio is 1.5 to 2.5x debt to adjusted EBITDA. You're well below that. How do we think about capital allocation broadly? And you've been explicit in saying that you'll look at acquisitions. How large a deal could you consider? Could Zebra or would Zebra ever do a $5 billion deal?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. So first, our capital allocation philosophy or strategy has not really changed much over the last few years. Top of the priority stack will be organic investments. We want to make sure we invest organically to drive short-term and long-term growth. Second, we do see attractive inorganic activities for -- to those acquisitions that would -- the way we would leverage our balance sheet to do that. And we are, as you said, comfortably below our target ratio today, but we want to get to back to that ratio the right way. We don't feel like there's an urgency, say, to do something to just get back to that ratio. The -- for the size of acquisitions, obviously, our market cap has gone up meaningfully. So what was, say, a -- would have been a transformative acquisition some years back is no longer transformative. We -- I would say, if something were to be meaningfully larger, we would address that mostly with -- through looking at the risk factors and what discount rates we would have to put on the purchase price to make sure that we adequately kind of protect for execution risk for the larger acquisition. It's not -- we wouldn't say that we -- there's a certain limit. We would never go above that. But if there's something that would be larger, it had to be a very attractive acquisition with a very quick way of getting back to our target leverage ratios and where we felt we had a very good control of the risk.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystRight. Or some combination of cash and stock...
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystIn a way that might enable you to do that. Right. Well, we're at the end of our period, Anders. Maybe I'll turn things over to you. Just -- we have probably a number of portfolio managers listening. The stock has been tremendous, as I mentioned, up tenfold in 5 years. What's the value proposition for investors from here?
Anders Gustafsson
executiveYes. Thank you, first, for the conversation. I've enjoyed it. I think you've asked comprehensive set of questions. So it's not a lot more for me to add, I think. But we -- I would say, we feel as enthusiastic about the business today as we've ever done. We feel we have a very compelling, very strong portfolio of solutions. And the vision we have is -- we feel is compelling and our customers feel it's quite compelling, it resonates with them. So we see opportunities to continue to drive growth, and we're always very focused on making sure we can drive leverage in the P&L and deliver a good return for our investors.
Toni Sacconaghi
analystTerrific. Well, thanks very much for your participation in our conference, and all the best to you personally and to Zebra Technologies.
Anders Gustafsson
executiveThank you.
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