8x8, Inc. (EGHT) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 9, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Kate Patterson
executiveAll right. Welcome, everyone. Thanks for joining us today for our 8x8 investor update. We're going to handle this a little bit differently today, more of a sort of a talk show format with slides accompanying it. And I'm here with Sam Wilson, our CEO; and Bryan Martin, our CTO; and Kevin Kraus, our CFO, and they'll be here to answer questions and take us through. Before we get started, I want to transition to our safe harbor statement and a couple of other housekeeping items. So I just want to caution you, let me remind you that today's discussion includes forward-looking statements about future financial performance, including investments in innovation, focus on profitability and cash flow and other statements regarding our business products and growth strategies. And we caution you to not put any undue reliance on these and take no obligation to update. And then I also want to remind you that we will include non-GAAP financial measures and the appendix to the slides will have a reconciliation of this non-GAAP to the corresponding GAAP metrics. So with that, let's turn over to our regular content. Housekeeping, yes. Housekeeping item. If you would like to ask any questions in the chat, just how to do it hover over your -- the bottom of your screen. The chat window or the menu will come up, just click on the chat window and you can enter your question. I'll be monitoring that chat window for any questions that come up. Okay. I think, Sam, it's a good time for you to talk about why 8x8?
Samuel Wilson
executiveOkay. So obviously, I feel passionate about this because it's 8x8, and I'm the executive officer of the company. But I just want to remind investors some of the basics about what we do and how we do it, right? It's a large and growing market opportunity. And by large, it's, I don't know, $100 billion, $150 billion, $200 billion, a really big number compared to our $735 million a year in revenue. And so it's super important that we remember that this is a large opportunity that is coming our way because we are still in the process of moving from on-prem to cloud. And so our opportunity inside of the large TAM is a growing opportunity around the cloud version of it. Now that growth has slowed down from the heydays, like all technology adoptions, the saithe it is, but you still have a core tailwind around the on-prem to cloud. Second, voice network creates a structural advantage. There's this belief that with the hyperscalers and existence, the ability for software companies to create structural advantage, infrastructure advantage, if you will, is changed and maybe it has for some companies, but it certainly hasn't for us, right? We have a global voice network that we've been investing in. We offer PSTN replacement to 59 countries. We have users in 160 countries. We make billions of phone calls per year, and it transverses across our network. And we believe this voice network becomes more important in an age of AI. I gave a talk not too long ago, and I showed a picture of James Kirk from Star Trek talking to his AI in the '60s. And Gene Roddenberry clearly understood that Kirk was going to speak to his AI, he had no keyboard. He was not furiously typing away at 30 words a minute. He was speaking to his AI. So I'm a firm believer that the next 1 billion phone numbers used in the world will be on with AI agents. And those will be used, and we offer a global voice network, and that is a structural advantage. We have a unified platform with native AI. What does that mean? We offer voice, video, chat, contact center, field service workers. We offer CPaaS. We offer it on 1 unified platform, which means common analytics, common administration, common user interface, common conversation low as common capabilities that allow users and customers to mix and match that technology for success. We've reaccelerated growth, right? We've had 5 quarters of year-over-year growth. We dipped as we retrenched the company and expanded our product portfolio. There was much doubt in the investor community, whether we grow again, and we've had record revenues. And then lastly, we've had record profitability in terms of dollars of profits over the last year or 2, and we've used that to continue to delever the balance sheet, pay off debt and drive more and more profits into the company. Because remember, when we pass that, that means less interest, less interest means higher EPS over time, all things being equal. And so I think these are just core aspects of what makes us a company, right? We're a software company in the telecom space. We have AI. We have a unified platform. We have global capabilities, and our customers value that tremendously from us.
Kate Patterson
executiveOkay. We'll come back to each of those as we go through the presentation. I am now going to turn it to Kevin to take us through the numbers.
Kevin Kraus
executiveYes. Okay. So this complements some of what Sam has already said. We are a growing business last fiscal year, $736 million in revenue. We serve over 52,000 customers globally. Again, you heard from Sam were PSTN replacement in over 50 countries around the world. And we have a lot of third-party validation that goes along with our success. We've been a multiyear Gartner Magic Quadrant winner in both unified communications and contact center strong performer awards for both unified communications and contact center in Forrester. We've got a lot of other customer success-oriented awards, lots of Steve. So we have a lot on our trophy case at the office. So very proud of what we've been doing as a company.
Kate Patterson
executiveAnd just real quickly, last quarter's highlights.
Kevin Kraus
executiveSure. Yes, you heard from Sam already. It was our fifth quarter of year-over-year growth. We did $185 million in service revenue, $190 million total revenue. service revenue up about 5% year-on-year. And the profitability of the company, I will just say the multiproduct customers is a metric that we really focus on here because multiproduct customers tend to be stickier, higher retention, et cetera. All the things that we mentioned in our earnings calls, that customer growth was up 18%. And a little bit nuance on the revenue growth rate. We bought a company called Fuze about 4 years ago. The people who follow us know this. And we've successfully transitioned those customers over to [ Bite ]. And after the migration headwinds and when you discount them rather, which is ending now, they've ended, we've migrated all the customers over. We had an 8% revenue growth rate. So 5% with, in total, 8% without the Fuze headwinds. On the profitability side, we are GAAP profitable last quarter. Non-GAAP operating margin healthy, nearly 10%, 22nd quarter in a row of positive cash flow from operations and non-GAAP operating profit. So we focused on that. We want to generate the profits and cash flow to pay down the debt for all the reasons you heard Sam just mentioned. And we generated $17 million of cash flow from operations last quarter and ended the quarter with $92 million of cash and cash equivalents and restricted cash. So we've got a very healthy balance sheet that we continue to work on and improve over time.
Kate Patterson
executiveGreat. Great. So Bryan, I don't want to leave you out here. You've been with 8x8 for a long time, and I think you're the best person to take us through the defensive moat that we have. We get that question a lot from investors.
Bryan Martin
executiveYes. It starts with what Sam talked about. It's that carrier-grade network in the cloud. It seems simple A lot of investors wrote off voice long ago, but voice is the channel of choice that you go to for your most important conversations. When you need to call the plumber or I missed my flight in the morning, I'm not going to start texting with United Airlines. I'm on the phone, I need a flight now, and that's the urgent channel that you go to. And then this little technology that came along, we love acronyms at 8x8. And finally, an acronym came along called AI that every one of our customers, it's the only acronym we use that I don't have to define what it is or what it means. And the exciting thing about it for investors that have been with us through the migration to the cloud, industries like banking, finance and legal, the late adopters of cloud are all early adopters of AI. And so everyone is trying to figure out what it means for their business, how do they use it, they've got to go in front of the Board or their CEO and not just the IT teams anymore, and that's the other difference is cloud was something we sold to the IT team AI is something that we sell to every business, every department. And the solutions, the early solutions and 8x8 was applying AI to communications very, very early, way back before 2015. And we were bolting AI onto things that we were selling. And I see a lot of that out there. I see a lot of our customers trying to bolt it on here, different departments, bolting it on and applying it to a subset of their data. And I think it's a huge mistake. And I think if you listen to the salespeople coming in from your CRM suppliers or marketing has got this marketing tool and they've got a bolt-on AI solution for that. You end up with disparate AI solutions that are working on a subset of data. And what 8x8 has really figured out across our communications platform is we can apply a universal solution that works on every piece of communications data that comes across our platform and you think about we see all of our communications. We see every message that sit between your employees. We see every communication and interaction between our customers and their customers, and we can actually apply a holistic AI approach to processing all of that data. And that makes a huge difference in the outcomes and the solution that we can provide versus a piecemeal approach. And that it's just -- we've applied it to ourselves. We were customer 0 of everything we've developed, and we're now able to take those solutions and make them real for our customers.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo you're saying context matters that the AI is smarter, and gives you better outcomes with context. The next slide, we just have a few things here about the global voice network, and I know that you've been instrumental in helping create this. So maybe just walk us through a couple of the highlights, and then we'll will sort of move over to problems.
Bryan Martin
executiveYes. Well, again, I want to actually give Sam credit because he's been in the chair -- are we at 8 years yet?
Samuel Wilson
executiveI've been at the company 10, but I've only been the CEO for 3.5. It's odd years.
Kate Patterson
executiveIt's [ 310 ].
Bryan Martin
executiveSam, at the same time, when the industry was saying voice is dead, Sam really came in and double down on our investment in voice. So we've been investing in really increasing our presence, especially in Europe and North America, becoming a stronger I don't want to call it a carrier, but we're really investing in the strength of our cloud presence. And we've also now -- you saw the numbers that Kevin went through. we have the volume to actually tie in with the Tier 1s out there. We're not having to go through wholesalers in order to get to the Tier 1s. We can interconnect directly to the Tier 1s. It saves our customers' money because we're not having to pay those markups along the way. But it actually gives us better control of the numbering resources gives us faster reporting which is a 4-letter word in our industry, porting numbers and dealing with number management is one of the hardest things to do in the voice world in any country around the world. tying those services together, providing better toll-free services to our customers. And when you think about it in the world of AI, people are looking for things that will be durable in an AI world, the world of voice, you can't go to pick your favorite hyperscale or AI provider. You can't go to a quad prompt to use as an example and say, give me a toll-free number in Indonesia. You can ask it, but it won't be able to provide it. Versus 8x8, we can give you a prompt that can do that. And we can do it inside of cloud or open AI or Google Gemini. But the actual resources that provide that are being supplied by 8x8. And so we have those resources. It's an extremely difficult capability to run and run reliably. It's truly mice and critical. I go back to I missed that flight I've got to have those voice resources available. They've got to work 24/7, 365. They are mission-critical in the sense that we're running Tier 4 trauma centers on them. They are life and death literally. And they have to work and they have to work all the time and our customers depend on that day in and day out. And we've been doing this for a very, very long time. And when everything works, no one thinks about it. It's only when they stop working, that people realize it really is mission-critical life and death. And we have an incredible team of teammates around the world. We employ more than 2,000 employees now, which I pinch myself every night because I remember the days when it was just a very small group of us, sometimes on a Friday night, around my kitchen table, making this thing work. But it is amazing what this company has become and the resource and network that we've built around the world.
Samuel Wilson
executiveI just want to add one small thing because I know you highlighted it. But if you look in the upper left of the chart, right, best voice quality. When you are that Tier 1 carrier, there's no wholesaler in the middle. The call goes through less hops, the signaling is cleaner. There's -- it's going to be a higher quality. And in a world of AI, it's different than the legacy world that we used to be in, right? The legacy world of 7x24 support coverage was I have a contact center in the United States, have a contact center in India, I have a contact center in Poland or whatever the case may be, and that's my 7x24 coverage. But in the world of AI, I'm going to have 1 AI agent that speaks 50 languages, with 100 accent variance located in the United States or located in the United States and Europe for GPR reasons. We need to transfer those calls. Those calls in to be crystal clear so that the AI agent can pick up that clarity and understand how and what to do effectively. Otherwise, the AI benefits won't be there. And that is so important. And Bryan, you're so spot on when you say no 1 notices bad voice qualities like a cellphone. Nobody knows bad voice quality until you say, can you hear me for the fourth time, right? And we see it all the time in our low-grade competitors. This is an easy place to cheat, buy cheap services from crappy wholesalers. I was going to use the word and offer low-priced VoIP. And the consequence is, yes, your AI is not going to work very well.
Kate Patterson
executiveThat's a great segue into kind of where we're going from a vision. So let's start, Sam. You just outlined part of the problem. But let's talk a little bit about what customer expectations are and what data fragmentation really means?
Samuel Wilson
executiveRight. So when you think about our platform, right, it's one platform that covers digital channels, Viber signal, WhatsApp, SMS, et cetera. It covers the voice side of the network. And to make -- like we have the capabilities since it's all passing through our network to grab the context, the interaction, the transcription of every single passenger. And what we can do is put that together in one context of the situation, right? And so we know we can be able to see in a real-time type of dashboard, what was said on the call, what was the messaging, what are those kinds of things? And what -- when you do that, you can easily catch your contacts. What's a simple example. We at 8x8 have the capability of grabbing all of our internal calls all of our external calls, unless they're specifically excited to not be transcribed and say, what was the #1 reason people our customers were upset yesterday or the #1 reason why people called our contact center yesterday or what was the #1 thing on people's minds yesterday. Internal and external or company, that is such powerful information. This is the things that people have guessed at for years by asking sales reps, hey, what is the customer thinking? No longer have to do that. You don't have to ask 1 sales rep who dealt with 5 customers yesterday. We can get a snapshot of every single customer interaction yesterday globally. We can slice it and dice it any way we want, right? Number 2 is, from a customer standpoint, this allows a substantially better customer journey. I was on the phone with a Tier 1 financial service company not long ago. It happens to start with an app and be located in Boston, who runs our 401(k). And I had to have a simple thing done, and I had to repeat myself 5 times, 5 times, I repeat myself. Four of which I explained, I saw a product, so I never have to repeat myself again. It was ridiculous, but they had to transfer me from department to department to finally get the retirement services and get it done. And then this gets back into the whole thing, right? Data fragmentation, separation, systems of record, systems of workflow, et cetera. IT professionals don't want another product, an AI bolt-on. It has data located somewhere else in the cloud, not interlinked and everything else. And then no ability to measure the quality of the performance. I think one of the biggest crazy things, and we offer products that don't do this, by the way. But one of the biggest crazy things is you ask the AI agent vendor, how is the AI agent doing. The quality management is from the same person who sold you the product. And as an industry, are we surprised when they always go it's not my fault. It was perfect. It did everything perfect. And you have no ability to see that those things should be separate. What does a voice network give you, the ability to separate those things out. So AI raises CX expectations. We see the data for Meta gene from others very clearly. Customers don't mind dealing with AI as long as the experience is fantastic. If you want the data, if you want the experience to be fantastic. Can't be siloed, can't be data fragmented and the AI agent has to have context to be successful. That's the problem. And we can solve that.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo that's a great way to talk about what we're trying to do with.
Samuel Wilson
executiveThat's right. So what does it take to solve that, right? Number one, you have to have one unified platform. Look, with every vendor, you end up with a separate set of contact with every PBX vendor, where every tenant vendor is a different call recording system, a different administration, a different contract, different everything. And so stitching it together becomes a complex data science problem. I don't understand why you want to do that, we give it to you all in one platform ready to go. You want one workspace, right? You don't want half your vendors on one UC provider and the other half on another provider are constantly trying to manage what all the employees are doing. And what about all the employees that aren't knowledge workers, they need to be on something so you can capture what they're doing, what's happening. You need to scale it out complexity, right? It means the easy seasonal staff, new locations, onboarding, et cetera. I mean, usage is now 26% of our revenue because we are actively working to get rid of complexity and make it easy to scale up and scale down. And then AI that works for everybody, right? It needs to be, I don't know, seamless, easy, buildable, customizable, those kinds of things. And AI for everyone is not only every call, every meeting. But AI, for me, if I'm 8x8 and I want AI in my tech support, it's different than AI and my billing engine, right? If I'm a retailer in pet goods, that's different than a retailer and women's clothing or a retailer of sporting goods, right? And so you want the ability to have AI that works for everybody. That doesn't mean a generic AI that sort of gives black answers. What it means is the ability to post train and be successful in offering AI that works in every vertical situation where it makes sense. Because if you're in the medical health care industry and you're scheduling an appointment, it's pretty different then if you're scheduling your pet for rooming thing, right?
Kate Patterson
executiveRight. So Bryan, the next few slides are your slides where we're talking about why every conversation matters. We want to make a count, but you're going to talk about why. And I'm going to let you just go with the slides, tell me when you want to switch.
Bryan Martin
executiveOkay. So we already talked about this a little bit. The voice is the dominant channel for really, really important conversations. My dishwasher is ruining my brand new hardwood floor, I'm going to call a plumber. But Sam already talked about the Star Trek example, that it's also the dominant it will become increasing. I can talk really, really fast, not as fast as Sam. But the AI can keep up, like try to out talk, you can't. You can go really, really quick. So go ahead and go forward. I think we made that point. This is what's really important is that the paradigms changed. So I used to go to a classroom with my notebook, and I tried to take notes on what was important about what the professor was saying. The compute power of AI has changed the paradigm. I don't need to take notes anymore. I go to Sam's meetings. I don't need to take notes because I can take the transcript from the meeting. And I have a perfect record of everything Sam said. I have a perfect impression of what mood he was in during the meeting.
Samuel Wilson
executivePlus, you put a to-do list coming out of this thing.
Bryan Martin
executiveAnd I know everything that he asked me to do, unfortunately. And I have no excuse to say, well, Sam, I forgot that you asked me to is also Yes, of course, he does. And next week, he's going to know exactly what he asked me to do, and I'm going to know exactly what he asked me to do and which things I didn't do. So now you have a perfect record of the conversation. And it's flipped the paradigm of how we think about how we store that information completely on its head. So I no longer need those notes, and you can see at the very bottom, a study that was done, they took 10 million call recordings compared that with the notes that were in the CRM of those same interactions and guess which one was more accurate, right? The actual recording was a better record. So go forward...
Samuel Wilson
executiveGo ahead. We recently did something I don't know you now about this. We really do something lot of our top customers. We got the permission of one of our top customers. We asked them we wanted to pull all their call transcripts for 2 days, okay? And then we asked them, what do you think the #1 reason your customer was calling the last 2 days into your local stores? And what was the one reason they were calling into our contact center. They got both wrong.
Kate Patterson
executiveBecause they were using notes or because they were...
Samuel Wilson
executiveThey were just using tribal knowledge, guesses, ask somebody, et cetera. But when you actually pull 17,000 phone calls, drop it into AI. Now 10 years ago, we would say we're going to statistically sample 3% of those phone calls and spend 12 hours or 18 hours listening to these phone calls and take some sort of guess. But with AI today, we can take all 17,000 phone calls, drop it in, get a cup of coffee, probably get a burger and fries, come back, and there's an answer.
Kate Patterson
executiveAnd with the unified platform, we're capturing those conversations, whether they're into the contact center or into billing or technical store.
Samuel Wilson
executiveIn the local store -- the local store, the billing.
Bryan Martin
executive8x8 is taking it one step further. So the traditional way in the market companies are thinking about this equation right now as you're capturing every conversation between the contact center and your customers or maybe between your salespeople and your prospects, right? At 8x8, we're capturing every conversation. Every employee chat what your employees are talking about, billing department got an escalation. We want to know what our employees in the billing department are talking about that escalation. How are they resolving it? What problems do we have that are causing that issue so that we can resolve that quicker, and we're tying all that information together.
Kate Patterson
executiveAnd we're getting it omnichannel. We're getting across all...
Samuel Wilson
executiveE-mail, digital, video, meetings, WhatsApp...
Bryan Martin
executiveThink about the old days, I'm going to go meet one of our customers tomorrow. In the old days, I want to know what's the last interaction someone that it had with that customer. I would go into my favorite CRM system I would look at the customer, what do I typically find. Nothing because the salesperson that last visited the customer didn't even bother to take notes to put it in there. So now if I've got a recording of the last time that salesperson went to the customer, I've got a perfect record of what happened in that last interaction.
Kate Patterson
executiveOkay. So I'll go to the next one.
Bryan Martin
executiveI don't know what's the other slides -- okay. So then you can build and I credit Jeff Pulver, a good friend of mine for building this concept. You actually build what we're calling a business conversation stack. And the way to read this is bottom up, you've got the actual conversation stored in the bottom you actually store them in a very structured way, which is a global standard that is supporting called virtual conversations, you actually now think about all the data we're storing. This is a company's most value because I got our employee conversations, I've got to worry about security, compliance, how just being audited. Did we have consent to store this information? How is that being tracked. So there's a whole layer of -- now that you're storing all this data, you've got to secure it properly. That's what that -- is that teal? I don't know what that color is. Then you let the start chomping on it. That's the next layer in the stack. Now you actually start getting intelligence out of it and then you start driving outcomes at the top. So that's how the entire stack works. That's a huge problem. But it's very valuable if you can actually turn this loose inside of your business, now you're actually making a huge difference in the world. And that's what 8x8 supplying to our customers.
Samuel Wilson
executiveAnd you asked me a question about vision earlier, right? So when I look out, what we're doing 3 to 5 years, Eventually, what we'll do is as we run through this, it will start to be a lot back to that AI platform. right? So as we get that trusted conversation infrastructure as it's really easy for us to start the process of saying generic answers are no longer appropriate for customer ABC, you can get a custom answer. For your customers, here's a custom answer for you to solve that problem. So we will not only go from a situation where you can query the system and say, what was the #1 reason people called, what was my last interaction, what's happening, et cetera? We can actually get to the next steps, which starts to say, when the customer calls and he asks for ABC, for that individual customer, we can answer their specific question. We can get the context of who are they? What products do they have? What are they doing? What historically of customers in their customer journey done? All those kinds of things and start to make this a cycle over time.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo it's personalization at scale based on each customer. We can do that for our customers. and our customers can start to do that for their customers. So I think that's a great way to transition into the products and the platform. So the power of the platform, we'll skip through this pretty quickly. I think we've told people what we do. But we have our products at a glance, this kind of just gives you the overview for those of you who...
Samuel Wilson
executiveAll right. So I want to stop you, though. So think about this from a journey perspective, right? So we're known for the last, right? We're known as a unified communications company. Bryan, thank you for all your hard work. We've got like 500 patents in UC and everything else. We've been in the business since it was created since Gartner had their first Magic Quadrant, we were there. And like that's what we're known for, right? We've been in the contact center business since 2011. We bought Contactual, et cetera. And we've been in the CPaaS game since 2019 when we bought Wavecell. But the part that I think people actually misunderstand is also that CX beyond the contact center, right? And it's one of our fastest-growing products. Every business has a whole bunch of people, about 40% of their customer interactions that are dealing with customers that are not in their contact center. And here's the secret. The secret is with AI, the contact center sleeve may shrink over time. It's not shrinking for us today, but it may shrink over that. But as it shrinks the CXB on the contact center is going to grow, right? That's the key. Like we're not losing agents and therefore, we're losing business. What we're losing potentially, and we're not seeing yet, but let's just hypothetically as AI gets better and better, we may have less need for a human being sitting in a contact center, sitting in a workspace waiting for the next phone call to be more of a person out doing a job who takes home calls on the side. And we've built products specifically for that. And that, I think it's why it's one of our fastest-growing product areas.
Kate Patterson
executiveAnd that's the 8x8 Engage product is.
Samuel Wilson
executiveIt is.
Kate Patterson
executiveAnd of course, we've already talked about our carrier-grade network that sits underneath all this and empowers it. as well as the communication intelligence, which is that ability to capture and analyze all the data.
Samuel Wilson
executiveAnd then the last thing, just -- and I know it was on an earlier slide, but like I'm super proud of this. I think people missed this platform right here is doing over 16 billion interactions per year, 16 billion that is phone calls, SMS messages, WhatsApp everything, right, 16 billion interactions across this platform. That is not an insignificant number. Like the sheer internal computer science to have 16 billion transactions running at [ 5-9s ] reliability every day is a pretty gosh darn big moat.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo Kevin, we'll have plenty of time to talk about financials in a few minutes. I still know we're kind of letting me sit over there, but I think we're going to transition here to a little bit of a technical explanation of the platform, and Bryan is going to walk us through this and then a little bit about data security, compliance and data privacy.
Bryan Martin
executiveYes. I mean I'll just cover it at a 20,000-foot level. Again, I'll read it just bottom up. The global network that we started the conversation with is at the bottom of this slide. the intelligence we've been talking about sits above that, but it's connected to it because one of the things that we see great value in is actually utilizing data from the network and with the network to drive some of this decision-making and some of this intelligence. And I think that's also very unique. A lot of the AI solutions in the market are really divorced from that network connectivity. And a lot of those messages that Sam was just talking about, the what's happened the Viber and the SMS, and there's a brand-new channel out there called RCS, which is think of it as a very graphical kind of WhatsApp for old-style text messaging. If you're not connected to the network, you're missing all of that data. And there's a lot of data down there. So having -- it may look strange to have like intelligence down at the network level. I think it's very unique, and I think it's an 8x8 value add. The rest of this is we have a burgeoning ecosystem of partners, people like Microsoft and their Teams product that we've been partnered with since, I think we made the decision in 2018, maybe late 2017. And I remember very vividly, I was sitting with our Head of Sales at one of our largest customers, still a customer today in New York City with their CIO. And he said, Bryan, before you guys leave -- I want to show you this team's thing and see what are you guys doing with teams. And I just remember so vividly as guy named Scott Sampson and I said, what's Teams, never heard of teams. He said, well, come over here. A lot of my employees are starting to use teams. And I came back to 8x8 here in Silicon Valley. And I said, I remember calling a special meeting and said, we got a new Microsoft thing we got to talk about. It's called Teams. And I think it's going to be important. So let's talk about it. And sometimes better to be lucky than good. We decided back then to partner, not to compete. And to this day, we're one of their largest global partners for connectivity. So that ecosystem there, and Microsoft is not the only partner. They're just one of the largest ones. It's a big part of what we do. And that connectivity and the intelligence and the data that feeds into our AI ecosystem and our capabilities includes the data that comes from some of those partners in that part of the chart, too. The rest of it, I can just wave my magic wand and say the rest of it is just...
Samuel Wilson
executiveI want to add one small thing because I can out myself, right? There's always buzz in Silicon Valley about one small box here, right? Like agent assist, teeny billion valuation, voice and digital bots, oh my God, there's like 400 of these things, right? Look, we're one of the few companies -- our entire industry that actually has the complete platform, right? And we have voice and digital bots. We have Microbiota front end. We have an enterprise voice network, et cetera. Everyone else goes to the customer and says, here's a box of legos, you figured it out. We're the company that's differentiating ourselves from our competition because we go to them and say, we've already figured out how to put this together for you. And that is a key differentiator. In a world of cloud code or any particular widget can be built relatively quickly. It's building the platform and the systems that will differentiate the companies, not the individual lego blocks.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo I want to emphasize that point, but also the security compliance...
Unknown Executive
executiveI was going to say that we also bring that part of it, too. So every -- all of this doesn't work if your data is not kept secure, if you can't supply GDPR in Europe, all of your security compliances in the U.S., we do hit. We were the very first cloud communications company to do PCI, HIPAA, E911 emergency service, like the list goes on and on and on...
Samuel Wilson
executiveThe SEC in just the last 4 months has put out over 300 pages on [ start shake and robo ] calling compliance, right? This is a regulatory barrier. We need it. We will need it. We continue to meet it. We're awesome at it. We block robo calling every day. And yet like -- I mean, so this is when people talk about I'll just go build a voice network, sure, you will. I'll start with a couple of thousand pages of FCC regulations on [ Stercken ] alone. And by the way, the U.K., France and other countries have completely different versions of the same thing, right? And I'm just picking 1 of whatever, 5 boxes that are up there.
Unknown Executive
executiveAnd I just remember the days, I cited those banks, financial, legal, like the institutions that care about this stuff. In the old days, we're not going to communicate through our cloud these days, it is the best practice because we've got more than 2,000 employees who spent 24/7 of their lives worried about this stuff. As opposed to a bank that's got a little tiny department with half-time people that spend a fraction of their time worried about how to secure these communications. So this is best practice. Now this is state-of-the-art in the industry for security. We don't throw rocks because we live in a glass house. It is a security and compliance are -- they always have been the #1. But in this day and age, it is very, very difficult out there. And so we spend a lot of time today by worried about this stuff.
Kate Patterson
executiveWell, I'm going to go back just one, I went the wrong way, sorry. But never mind. Anyway, we talked a lot earlier about how we could see every conversation and everything. But I want to make the point, and I think we can go -- we'll go into it a little bit further later that we don't use our customers' data for -- it's that we capture it so the customer can look at it. There's a data privacy.
Unknown Executive
executiveWe are huge believers that customers' data are -- it's their data. We we're never -- I mean never, never, but we're not in the business of holding data hostage and there's plenty of businesses. There's plenty of people in this AI space that won't be ever able to say that. So I think partners that we work with and end customers that are interested in talking about that, they should come talk to us because it's something everyone should be aware of. There are walled gardens. There's walls going up every single day and you need to know where your data is and who you're entrusting it to and make sure you're working with the right vendors.
Samuel Wilson
executiveHow much they're going to charge you to get your data back to you.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo one platform, every connection, but completely private. Okay. Now I'm going to go forward where I should have been before. The AI tailwind. We've been talking a lot about where AI is platform where it's going. I want to talk a little bit, and this is where we're going to give Kevin a few minutes to shine, I think. And although maybe not right away. And Katherine, when I saw your question, we'll be able to answer that as well. So I put together this little slide on the history of AI innovation at 8x8 because I think that a lot of people missed the how early we were in integrating AI capabilities into the platform and taking it all the way up to today. So Bryan, if you want to give us a couple of highlights.
Bryan Martin
executiveBefore you do -- I want to mention one, Kate was really nice to us. She actually should have started this in 2019.
Unknown Executive
executiveWell, I was going to say...
Bryan Martin
executiveRemember when we made a voice spot.
Unknown Executive
executiveI didn't do this .
Bryan Martin
executiveWe made the voice spot in 2019. It was a disaster. It was at text-to-speech, speech-to-text voice spot...
Unknown Executive
executiveThis is the one slide she didn't steal for me. So much earlier. So we've been doing this for a long time. It's just -- this is when it started to kind of get interesting really...
Kate Patterson
executiveThis is the one where we all became aware of ChatGPT, like have you ever heard this before?
Unknown Executive
executiveYes. I mean, I would just say this is kind of the time frame. And it's even earlier than this because I'm even remembering, I would actually credit a guy named [ Alton Harwood ] who started telling me, and hopefully, he's listening because I invited him to this. But I think it was like middle of 2022 that ease like we're getting some amazing transcription results in like Scottish. Scottish is one of the one word dialects to transcript.
Kate Patterson
executiveYes, we've all seen that.
Unknown Executive
executiveAnd we were getting like 96% accuracy out of this little company, and we actually started working with OpenAI because of their transcription. And so yes, so we were -- before it became a household name, and I might even in late '21. I can't have to look. But anyway, yes, so we were -- like I said, better to be lucky than good. You find some of these things before they blow the world apart. But yes, I think what happened was you suddenly had this amazing compute ability to operate on vast data stores that just suddenly changed everything. And that really is what changed the game. And so we had a team of R&D people that spotted it early and then immediately applied it to studio, which hopefully we're going to have time to show. So let's move on...
Kate Patterson
executiveThis should be a truncated history of AI innovation.
Unknown Executive
executiveJust the positives.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo Kevin, we have some stats here on momentum of AI at 8x8 and I'll let you walk through a few of the things here.
Kevin Kraus
executiveSure. We had some excitement going on in the company. In the same vein, how we talk about multiproduct customers, we're also looking at customers who are purchasing our AI products. And the exciting thing for me isn't just the numbers and the growth here, it's the -- just thinking about how the customers are having such a better experience using our products. So I had my own lightbulb moment using AI and my daily working. And to see some of these numbers here, like the 67% year-over-year increase in the number of customers with paid AI solutions is exciting to me because I know how I felt when I started using it regularly a while back and how it made my life better. So you're talking about hundreds of customers here that are growing with the products and making their lives better and making the customer experience with their customers better. So internally at our customer and between our customer and their customers. 18% year-over-year increase in recurring revenue for customers who buy our AI products. I mean it obviously translates into monetary benefit for us, while the customers are benefiting from these products that we're offering. But that's -- these are really big growth numbers. And 9% of our recurring revenue in the company is attached to an AI product that we sell. This is just tens of millions of dollars. So this is -- these are real numbers now, and it's growing, and we're really fortunate that we're able to help our customers in this way. Just like 3 product customers, we talk about how retention is better with multiproduct customers. And AI could be one of the multi products that we sell, but the retention over 100% on average for customers who purchase an AI solution from 8x8. So better -- it's a good average for us. And the size of the customers larger on average for customers, the deal volume or rather the deal size, 14x more than the average deal size for customers who aren't buying AI products. So there's huge benefit there to the company. And then on the AI portion of the deals where customers are running AI, there's about a 10% revenue uplift in those deals due to the AI product. So these are real meaningful numbers for us. And it's just a really exciting time as we release all these products to market and seeing the impact that they have.
Kate Patterson
executiveStill super early. A lot of this stuff in. I know I was looking at the data that you used to come up with these stats. And I noticed that even though enterprise class customers represent a huge portion of that ARR, the distribution of the size of the customers that are using this. We have lots of smaller customers using that, in fact, somewhere in the range of about 40% or so are what we would consider small less than 25, 000 ARR a year.
Unknown Executive
executiveThat's the beauty of having such a broad base of customers, right? And we have a big base of customers. It's over 50,000 customers, and we have a lot of opportunity to sell into that base. So these customers of all sizes that can benefit from it.
Kate Patterson
executiveCertainly that circles right back to the TAM. Okay. So let's talk about AI Studio. This is like the most exciting part of this presentation. Bryan, take us away.
Bryan Martin
executiveYes. So AI Studio is something we launched into our customer base beginning of this calendar year. It spans every part of our platform. So it's not a contact center product. It works with our telephony services. It works with our messaging services. It doesn't care about the licensing or the technology silos of the platform. It even works outside of the 8x8 platform. So it works across our integrations if you're integrated with salesforce or one of our other integrations, it can easily do things with those integrations as well. At the heart of the technology is something that we call the builder does exactly what you would think of it. You tell it what you want it to do, and it goes and you tell it in English, by the way. That was the first time we've ever had anything like that. So you don't have to go to 8x8 university. You don't have to get certified. You don't have to know anything. You just have to be able to speak or write and tell it what you want it to do. And I know, Kate, you got super excited because you got to build something.
Kate Patterson
executiveThat's right. Yes.
Samuel Wilson
executiveAnd this is 100% native to us. So as everybody knows, with Phase 1 of AI, we partnered with another company because we knew that Phase 1 wasn't going to be the end solution from our previous experiences with AI. It was -- we knew it was going to be temporary. The whole text-to-speech, speech-to-text was not going to be the end answer. AI studio is 100% native to us. It is our code. It doesn't have partners in it. It's our stuff running on our platform in our world.
Kate Patterson
executiveAnd we've made it available to every 8x8 customer no matter what they buy from us, no matter what size they are. It's completely free of charge to use and build things. We even give them a bunch of, we call them, credits or essentially tokens. Think of them as tokens, but for accounting reasons, we call them credits. And our customers can play with it. We send sales engineers in to help them get started if they need help. But as Kate found out, you need very little help to get started. Kate built her own little agent. And in minutes, literally, you can spend something up. And the way we make money off of AI studio is when a customer starts using what builder built for them, it's a consumption-based model. And it's got behind the scenes LLMs, we support out of the box, Google, OpenAI and Grok. That's what's built into the platform. But if you want to bring your own favorite LLM, you can do that as well. It's open platform. And here's some stats on what we've seen since we launched it to our base. It's I'll let Kevin characterize it in proper investor terms.
Kevin Kraus
executiveYes. So the -- look, we have lots of customers in the development environment, like Bryan said, I just want to mention one thing about the -- like how we're releasing the product, right? We're releasing this there's no upfront license fee. This is a land-and-expand type of motion. The customers will pay for what they use. So we're trying to make it as frictionless and easy as possible for these solutions to be deployed in the customer as quickly as possible. So that's where we can see -- I expect to see a pretty big ramp already had a ramp at a pretty big ramp in this product area. This is sort of our 3-year model.
Kate Patterson
executiveIt just launched in April and we've got a substantial number of customers, and they've already built over 3,000.
Samuel Wilson
executiveAs of August 22, which is like 2 weeks ago, it's already -- it's already massively updated right? Yes, I know what the numbers are because I get to report on it weekly and it's growing -- high double digits month-to-month.
Unknown Executive
executiveYes. The way we've done it is, as Bryan explained it, you give, say, call it, freemium or whatever term you prefer to use. It's open. It's open to everybody. We're not we're deploying it in such a way as that anybody can use any size customer, and it's picking up steam. It's great. Lots of customers.
Kate Patterson
executiveI'm going the wrong way. Sorry.
Samuel Wilson
executiveI think you missed one of the key things, though. Right here, this is key. So what is it doing, right? It's doing -- like there's lots of -- you can get a health care but or you can get a reception bot or you can get whatever builder because of the way it's built can do just about anything that has an API or a data book or a web book or something that get hands on. And so it's being used across a whole range of applications. And this is how it beats those niche little bots. There's like 400, 500, 600 companies out there. But it has this capability to do it all. And it all deals with the fact that they're sort of communications with the things that underlines all this.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo I'm going to skip a couple of slides, and I'm going to introduce everyone to a our virtual Investor Relations Assistant, and we built this using AI Studio. Bryan was very generous in saying, I built it, but I did have a little bit of help from our IT department. So what it does is it actually looks through everything and it answers your Investor Relations questions. So it has a number of tools that it can leverage some are voice only and some are digital. It covers both the digital and voice channel. And we built guardrails into it. So it does it make up answers. It doesn't go looking out on the web for someone's opinion, -- it uses our financial information that we posted on our Investor Relations.
Samuel Wilson
executiveIt's all the hedge funds out there. You can't get no material nonpublic information. We put those guardrails into.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo it took a little bit of time to do that. So I'm going to give you a little demo of this is the digital version. We'll just watch that for a sec. I think it answers some interesting questions.
Unknown Executive
executiveYes. Well, it's typing. I should have said it's I hate the word omnichannel. But it works across every channel that bites platform support. So it can send text messages, it's fully digital. It's also fully voice-enabled prompt.
Samuel Wilson
executiveAnd let's be clear, it speaks, I think, 60 languages and over 100 accent variants. So it speaks English, Wales, U.K. English, Scottish, Irish and every other version of English that we have floating around the world. And it understands all those dialects -- yes, and understands it. And to any Australians listening, it's peaked Sydney, and I forget East Melbourne, which I guess, is a different accent completely.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo the digital version, since our website, our IR site, is hosted is not yet live, but the voice one is live, and so I'm going to go. [Presentation]
Unknown Executive
executiveYou could have had a transfer directly to you.
Kate Patterson
executiveLet's see how he does with our Spanish. [Presentation]
Kate Patterson
executiveFor the next slide is, I didn't give the prompt for what we wrote for Ira, but Bryan shared with me the prompt that he used for the perfect CTO assistant, is that what this is?
Bryan Martin
executiveYes. The perfect CTO. So I just wanted to -- so the agent like the point of the example isn't that as like some breakthrough agent. Although I will say our agents are -- like you get to pick the voice, you get to pick, as Sam said, the language -- and it will default. If you start speaking Chinese, it will go to Chinese you can interrupt it. The latency is amazing because this is coming directly in -- like we're not going -- it's native to 8x8 platform. We're not going out to some third-party. So you see the back and forth is very natural.
Samuel Wilson
executiveWe're not hopping across.
Bryan Martin
executiveBut the point of the demo is not to say, hey, my agent is better than XYZ's agent. The point is Kate built the agent, and she did it in like a few minutes and it's like it's so easy to do. So I just wanted to show you behind the scenes. This is a little application that's running on my direct down number that rings all my devices. And I get between 30 and 50 junk calls a day of people trying to sell me AI, and I get really tired of it. And I just want to show you like how easy it is. So there's something that lets Kevin, Sam or Kate, anyone that works at 8x8, I want them to be able to reach me 24/7. But everyone else, I really don't want them to be able to reach me unless they know the passcode 1444 to get through to me. So all of you investors know how to get through to me now. This is literally all I told builder. I said, "I need a voice agent that only lets employees or people that know my passcode through. That's literally it. I type that in -- go to the next slide. Builder went off for 30 seconds, and it literally gave me a much more formal structured version of exactly what I typed except it's now -- this is what's left in my application. So if I ever want to change the code, I want to change the rules or I want to let who's on the line, Katherine. If I want to let Katherine through on her mobile phone, I can add Katherine to the script. Like this is how I maintain the little application and then one more screen last screen. And then I just -- I say I want this to run in Google Gemini because they're our favorite partner. I pick the voice that I want spoken to the people calling I pick whether I want all the calls recorded or whether I want a transcript. And that's it. And I just say go and launch it, attach it to my phone number and it's done. And it literally like when I put this up, it took like -- and actually, you can say, hey, build or test this. Kevin had trouble getting through to me one Sunday afternoon, and I went back into builder, and I'm like, hey, my CFO couldn't get through to me today. What the F? Like can you go check why Kevin couldn't get through. And it's like, oh, yes, I see what happened, do you want me to fix it? And I'm like, yes, I'd like my CFO to be able to call me on a Sunday afternoon. Please fix it, and it did. And it's literally that easy.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo even as little things that you catch...
Kevin Kraus
executiveBut that's what we're trying to. It democratizes every one of our customers' abilities to use our platform and customize it and make it do what their business needs it to do without having to come to us and say, Oh, can you guys do this or that for me? Now any one -- any one of our customers and anyone that works for one of our customers can go customize our stuff for them and make...
Kate Patterson
executiveMakes sense for small business mid-market rise everybody.
Unknown Executive
executiveI'll go back to Ira. I mean we talked about in past earnings calls and so forth about case resolution using AI and so forth, right? So this example got perhaps the case resolved. But think about it from the standpoint of the experience that you can have with your customers that require human on human connection. For us, it could be a could spend more time on the phone with investors that needs to have the human back and forth experience. Maybe the call is a little bit more detail. So it's not just about hey, when is your next investor when's your next earnings call, just like a bank could say, what's my balance, right?
Samuel Wilson
executiveBut taking one step further sort of that's clearly one in Ira's clear that's practical. But take a bank that wants -- because we have a bank that does this, that uses AI studio in conjunction with AI routing and says, okay, here's what I need you to do. First, when the call comes in, I need you to figure out what the person means authenticate them like, remember, this used to be done by huming. No, no, I need to authenticate them. They could pick 1 of 3 different ways. I need you to SMS message. I need you to get the SMS message back, do the OTP so that I am 100% sure I'm not fraud as being committed against my bank. Then, I need you to talk to them. And then I need you to route the call to the agent with the skills that are most likely to be able to help that person with their problem at this exact moment. That's the future.
Kate Patterson
executiveThat is -- and that's that mass personalization when you have that full context. You have the SMS and you can build this. So okay, that is a great thought to keep in mind. And now Kevin is going to shine. So we are going to turn to the financial model, just a few slides, so we won't take very long. We're a little past the hour here, but Kevin is going to walk us through.
Kevin Kraus
executiveSure. You heard earlier, look, we're back in growth mode as a company, 5 quarters in a row of revenue growth. And so we've extended our high-level model for the public to consume here. We are -- clearly, we've been driving our revenue growth with the platform usage. We've shown that growth over several quarters. The long tail Fuze customer attrition is largely going to be behind us. This is the post-COVID created headwinds. And as we migrated those customers over the again, excluding the Fuze headwind, we're growing much, much greater rates. We said 8% last quarter versus the 5% or so that we reported. So we have good revenue growth happening in the company right now, and we've demonstrated that over multiple quarters. On the gross margin side of the business, we've publicly mentioned this. There's a different margin profile for usage or consumption versus our subscription business. We are focused on gross profit dollars and operating profit dollars and cash flow generation. for our investor base. We use that cash to pay down the debt. So we're less concerned about the margin percentage than we are with the dollars that accrue to the bottom line and to the gross profit line. a little bit more about the platform usage on all restate a lower gross margin percentage, but the operating expense requirements are much lighter than a standard subscription model. So more falls to the bottom line from the gross profit line. So we can enjoy that bottom line profitability as the platform usage portion of our business growth. So in our model, we have from '26 to '27 in our return to growth model, we're seeing a relatively flat operating margin a little -- down about 1 point year-over-year, but we're trying to preserve those dollars and the dollars largely are being preserved the bottom line, again, generating the cash flow so we can use that to -- for debt service. On the multiple years here that we're showing the past 3 years or so, you can see that the composition of the revenue and where it came from, the Fuze customers' revenue has gone down over time because it's migrated into the revenue base. The headwind is largely behind us. We fully migrated those customers at the end of calendar 2025. And you can see the revenue growth here, 6% or 5% or so, 8% rather without the Fuze headwinds, 3% in total with all in here. So for the full year. We're showing growth in our guidance midpoint, mid-single digits. And next chart, I think we have a longer-term view. On the 3-year model, we could carry this out to fiscal '30. So CAGR numbers for 3 years in total, the revenue 8% CAGR. Over the -- from '27 to fiscal '30 with platform usage growing about 20%, a CAGR basis and the subscriptions growing 2% to 3%. So this is not too different from what we've seen from a platform usage perspective, now we're growing like 60% or more each quarter, but this is a 3-year model. So our growth drivers continued adoption of our AI products, continued consumption growing in the business and the retention of our existing base on the subscription side.
Kate Patterson
executiveI would add, he had the law of large numbers playing in the platform usage. But you also -- this is roughly what a consolidated market estimates are for growth. So we are growing with the market, if not a little bit faster. We're anticipating that. So let me go to the next slide, Kevin, which is kind of what we're looking for in profits.
Kevin Kraus
executiveSure. profitability. So we went through the '26, '27, I was a lot of numbers on this chart. But fundamentally, what we're seeing here is the revenue mix fiscal '27 guidance, 25% to 30% platform usage. We expect that to go up over time, and that's no secret. We see the growth there becoming a bigger -- it's the fastest-growing component of our business. So 35% to 40% of the revenue in the 3-year target model with 60% to 65% being on the subscription side. and there's your 8% CAGR. Other revenue, we're holding it roughly flat at about $20 million a year. This is the product revenue and the deployment services revenue and things like that. Gross margin, we have a mix shift going on, which I just said, and we've been saying in our earnings calls Again, we're seeing this maybe 4 points this year per our guidance. And the mix shift will continue where we see it in the low to mid-50% range, but profitability of the business in dollars and a margin percentage for operating margin we expect to increase over time because of the high scaling of our business, particularly around the platform usage portion of the business. So focused on operating profit dollars, focused on continuing cash flow generation. So we can move to continue paying down our debt, which I believe is on the next slide. Over the last few years, we've paid down 40% since the end of '23. It's about 44% since the peak which was August of 2022. So we've done a terrific job, I think, of paying down our debt with the cash flows that we've generated in our business. Again, it's been 22 quarters in a row of cash flow from operations generated. And we do use that to improve our balance sheet over time, and we've been doing that for years now. So we paid over $200 million in debt, as you can see in this chart. With our ultimate goal being getting back to negative net debt, if you will, the cash plus debt is a positive number. We have done a really good job in my view of taking down our leverage ratios, as you can see here, just a few years ago before it's not on the chart, but we were like 6 leverage. Now we're down to about 2.3 with the objective to go to 0 or better. So we are on that trajectory and we continue to make improvements because we're very, very disciplined about how we manage the business, investing in the right areas to grow in the right areas, which we've discussed, AI being one of the key areas and continuing to generate the profits and cash flow, so we can get this leverage ratio down further over time.
Kate Patterson
executiveI think that's the last financial slide. So I am going to try to -- yes, there we go. I'm going to send it back to Sam to sort of wrap up.
Samuel Wilson
executiveLook, I know we told -- I think we told the billing story here, right? Month-to-market opportunity, competitive barriers to entry profitable business model, reaccelerating growth, big moats compared to our competitors and where the industry is going. An AI story, which is a big part of the growth industry today. I think we have it all. I just -- I think sometimes people don't know us and think we're the company of 10 or 20 years ago, but they don't know what we are today. As this chart shows, we are these things.
Kate Patterson
executiveAre you accelerating growth, paying down debt and AI driving growth?
Samuel Wilson
executiveBy the way, when we run out of debt, we'll start buying back stock.
Kate Patterson
executiveOr lots of other...
Samuel Wilson
executiveOr lots of other opportunities.
Kate Patterson
executiveSo thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Really appreciate it. I will take any calls or any questions that you have, and I think that wraps it up.
Samuel Wilson
executiveThank you, everyone.
Unknown Executive
executiveThank you.
Kate Patterson
executiveAnd thank you Kevin, Bryan and Sam.
Samuel Wilson
executiveAnd thank you, Kate.
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