Elastic N.V. (ESTC) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 14, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Brent Thill
analystWelcome, everyone, to the Jefferies Software Conference. This is Brent Thill. Thanks for joining us. We've got a very long list of companies presenting in the next couple of days. So I'm looking forward to engaging with you all. We want to thank the team of Elastic, Janesh and Anthony, for joining us this morning for our fireside chat. Janesh, welcome. Thanks again for joining. For those of you that did not know Janesh, he's the CFO, has served since 2018, and he was previously CFO at Infoblox and held senior roles at VMware and Cisco.
Brent Thill
analystJanesh, maybe to kick off, maybe if you can just frame the opportunity for the company. When you look at the 3 big categories of enterprise search, observability and security, just give us a sense of kind of what you're seeing across all 3 of these categories today?
Janesh Moorjani
executiveYes, happy to, Brent. And thanks for hosting us. We appreciate it very much. So as I reflect back, Elastic was started on the premise that making large volumes of data searchable almost instantly. It's a pretty compelling idea that can find application across many different use cases. And as both data volumes grow as well as the value of that data increases, that becomes an even more compelling idea. And with large data sets, you want to just understand what's in the data. You want to have a conversation with your data. You want to search within it looking for trends or insights or sometimes just to find things. And over time, as we grew, some use cases became more prominent than others. And as you noted, we now focus on 3 solutions, enterprise search, observability and security. Enterprise search includes not just powering a search box on a website or on an app, but it also includes being able to search for enterprise data that's not limited to the 4 walls of the enterprise, but also includes data that's stored across applications in the cloud. And on the observability side, while we initially were used mainly for logging related use cases, today, we're used for APM and infrastructure monitoring as well. And for the IT abstraction, their needs or their ask is pretty straightforward. They just want to be able to search across all of their infrastructure and all of their apps to ensure things run as expected, and they want to be able to do that in one place. And then while you're observing, why not also protect? Threat hunters started to use our software sometime back actually to search just the breadth of security events to discover threats and bad actors. And today, we offer a [ seamless ] product that is combined with endpoint protection through our acquisition of Endgame. So each of these solutions today for us represents a pretty significant market opportunity by itself. If you think about the TAM, it would be measured in several billion dollars for each of those 3 solutions. But what's even more compelling for us is that all of our solutions are built on top of the unified stack, which is the Elastic Stack. It's a single technology stack. It's all driven by search, and it's got a single unified pricing model on top of it. So although we are used for 3 different solutions, what we really sell our subscriptions that provide access to different levels of features across these solutions. And as I think about the mix across these different areas, while that's largely directional and supported by our team, since logging was one of our more popular solutions in the past, historically, more than 1/3 of our business used to come from logging, we've now seen an even greater shift towards observability, where we are seeing strong traction on the APM side as well. And then similarly, we've seen pretty strong traction on the security front, which is growing quite nicely for us. We've provided many different examples of that in the past, ranging from the enterprise all the way to nation-level security for which many governments adopt us. So we're seeing strong traction on that front as well. So we're quite excited about the market opportunity really across the 3 solution areas.
Brent Thill
analystThe TAM is pretty big, $45 billion. Many ask kind of where you sit today inside the penetration? And what you see is the main drivers inside the installed base from here?
Janesh Moorjani
executiveYes. It's a great question. As I think about the overall TAM, I talked about the benefits of the stack, but one of the things we also did was we leveraged a free and open distribution model. So developers could just download our software and get up and running for free or they could choose to get started on SaaS with a pretty low monthly amount. And so our initial adoption was primarily at the developer level or at the departmental level. And from there, we started to grow further up within the enterprise, moving up to higher levels within the organization. And that's been a journey for us in which I think we've been quite successful. It's still early innings, but we've got a number of large customers today. If I think about customers that are, say, more than $1 million in size, that was more than -- we had more than 50 such customers at the end of our last fiscal year. And if I think about another metric, which is one we publish every quarter around customers, more than $100,000 in ACV, that number has been growing quite nicely as well. It was more than 630 customers at the end of Q1. So I'd say we've still got significant room to expand within the enterprise and within that installed base. And I think about those expansion drivers really in 2 ways. One is at a macro level, when I think about customers' IT spending priorities, their priorities are increasingly shifting towards areas where our solutions are very well aligned across enterprise search, observability and also security. So those shifts in customer spending will just be natural catalysts for us over a longer period of time. And then within an individual customer, the expansion occurs in multiple different vectors. So a customer who starts a project for a particular solution, that project itself can grow as the underlying volume of data grows and they get more value from it. Or what can happen is a solution gets adopted in multiple parts of the enterprise. So division A set up a security project and their friends in division B, C, they success with that and they set up a security project of their own. Alternatively, a customer starts to adopt us for multiple solutions. They started with observability, but extend into security or they started with enterprise search, but extend into observability. All of those different motions help drive expansion for us. And just given the free and open model that we had, we tend to see adoption at the lower levels and then we move up, and we refer to that as a bottom-up motion. I would have used an analogy of starting brushfire and watching them grow. But in this time, that would be a bad analogy to use. So I won't go there. But that's generally how I think about the expansion. It can be pretty viral once we're within an enterprise.
Brent Thill
analystOne of the things that I think is a compelling opportunity for you is ease of use, you definitely attract a harder core developer. But when you think about the larger population that can use Elastic inside a company. It seems like things are changing a little bit. It's becoming more usable and easier for Joe in accounting or Mary Jane in the travel department to start to potentially look at using your solution? And maybe if you could just talk about the ability for those outside the technical realm to adopt and embrace adoption across the enterprise?
Janesh Moorjani
executiveYes. I'm happy to -- and I saw the results of that survey as well. So that was a pretty well researched note, and thank you to you and the team for that. As I think about ease of use, one of the things that's important to understand is just our overall approach to product development. So sometimes when companies announce a product, they may take a couple of years to bring it to market. But in our case, because so much of our development is just based on direct feedback from our customers, we tend to have a pretty rapid pace of innovation and a very rapid cadence of product releases. So we will develop foundational features, and then we put them out there for our customers to use. And these will tend to be robust and enterprise-class features that customers can drive a lot of value from. And then over time, we'll iterate fairly rapidly to add more features and add more capabilities. And so the ease of use directly correlates to the duration of time that we've had our product out there. If I think about logging, for instance, customers have used us for logging for many, many years. And so the feedback around ease of use for logging was probably valid, say, 4 to 5 years ago. But today, for logging projects, customers can be up and running literally in minutes. And they can start to get the full value and the full advantage of using the Elastic Stack quite easily. APM is probably another example of that, where we put features out there a couple of years ago, and then we added much more over several releases. And today, we're winning deals on APM against pure-play APM companies. So we've seen good traction there too. And that's even before you consider all the advantages of having Elastic for the full breadth of observability. Similarly, on the enterprise search side, customers today can put a search box on a site or start to search enterprise content quite quickly, again, literally in a matter of minutes. So we've made some pretty significant progress there. And even on the security side, with natively integrating the endpoint security functionality from Endgame into the Elastic Stack, that's gone quite well. You may have seen some of these things, even in our most recent release in 7.9, where one of the features that we're actually quite excited about, is a unified agent. So it's a single agent to ship data for logs as well as metrics and endpoints into Elasticsearch rather than having separate agents for each of these. And that's a pretty big step forward for customers in terms of ease of deployment and ease of use. And there are many more features surrounding ease of use in 7.9 and even more to come. So something we're actually quite excited about.
Brent Thill
analystMaybe you can talk a little bit about the enterprise search offering, and what you're seeing there? What are kind of the drivers economically to help the business on that side?
Janesh Moorjani
executiveYes. I mean, enterprise search was one of our earliest use cases. So if I think about enterprise search, it includes site search, app search as well as Workplace Search. So 3 different potential use cases. And it all started really with just this idea that search meant adding a search box to the website. But it's not just to search on a website, it's also to power e-commerce applications as well. And that's what we call site search. So we've been very popular for site search now. And in fact, COVID-19 has been a tailwind when it comes to e-commerce-related usage. So that's been encouraging to see. And we power many of the experiences that people just commonly use for such searches. Within an app, we are used for app search, which is very common as well. And again, most people, when you think about many apps, if not most apps, they have got some sort of search embedded within the app. It could just be a search box where you type or it could be something a lot more sophisticated like a rider driver matching experience in a ride-sharing app. And those kinds of searches are also powered by Elastic. And then when I think about Workplace Search, we recently launched the next-generation of workplace search. And think of this as what traditionally used to be referred to as enterprise search many years ago where you had companies like FAST and Autonomy and Endeca that didn't really live up to their full promise because it was just so hard to connect so many different data formats and sources. But now with so much enterprise data sitting outside of the 4 walls of the enterprise, the nature of the problem has shifted. Now with all this data sitting in SaaS applications, there are common APIs. And once you build a connector to one SaaS app, you can use it for all customers. But the problem then becomes one of handling security and handling searches across all of these different assets with the speed that only a search engine can deliver. So today, with our Workplace Search product, customers can now search across many popular apps, Salesforce, Jira, Confluence, ServiceNow, Google Drive, GitHub, Gmail and more. And all of that with a single search in a single box. We just launched this some months ago, and we just delivered a free and open tier on this with the most recent release. So it's still early days, but we're pretty excited about the possibilities for Workplace Search in its next form as well.
Brent Thill
analystJust a follow-up on that. How is that price for customers? How do you approach them with an economic model around this?
Janesh Moorjani
executiveYes. It's very similar. It's again just pricing based on resources. So based on the resources that they consume, if they create copies of the data and store that and as those underlying data sets grow and as they continue to use more and as they grow with us, it's the same resource-based pricing model that we have with them. And that's one of the benefits of using Elastic. So regardless of the use case or regardless of the solution, it's a unified pricing model.
Brent Thill
analystGreat. Turning to security. I know it's early there, but when you think about how big this business could be, and kind of what your aspirations are in security? I know it's a big topic, we could talk for an hour on this, but how would you compartmentalize it and think about your traction so far and where you could be in security market?
Janesh Moorjani
executiveYes, you're right. I mean it's such a big topic. We could spend a lot of time on it. But if I try to think about it succinctly, I'd say, look, at the outset, we're really excited about what we can do with in security. Again, when people adopted us initially, they started to use us for security-related use cases, even though we never really intended for that to happen. And so we started to get used for security use cases several years ago. And even -- it was even before we had purpose-built security offerings. And when you think about it, it starts to become fairly evident that every log is also a security data point or a security event. And in some cases, people started to use us for fairly sophisticated use cases. And so that led us to invest in building out our SIEM product, which we launched a few quarters ago now. And we didn't want to stop there. For us, it's all about having the data in Elasticsearch and delivering strong insights and quick results based on those searches. So we acquired endpoint technology from Endgame about a year or so ago now. That transaction closed in October of last year. And our vision there has been that the value actually lies in the data. Data has gravity to it and endpoints are a great data source to ship data into Elasticsearch. And you've seen us launch that now with this unified agent 7.9, which we released a few weeks ago. And that integration has gone really well so far. And this idea about bringing endpoint and SIEM together where the endpoint can ship data into Elasticsearch. And then we can also use that overall to provide protection to the end points that's a compelling idea. It's been resonating very well with customers. The security buyer is a different buyer. So it's, again, relatively early innings, but we've seen pretty strong adoption so far, and although they've been new additions to the product portfolio. And again, we provided many examples of this on our most recent earnings call as well. We've been adopted at the enterprise level. We've been adopted by government agencies, by smaller customers and by larger customers. And it's been quite humbling to see how quickly we've progressed in that so far. In terms of what needs to happen to accelerate this even further and how we capture the opportunity that's ahead of us, I'd say we're already doing it. We're already executing quite nicely to the overall strategy we laid out. I think there's more to come by way of the full integration of Endgame into the stack and security is becoming a larger portion of the mix as we move forward. So it's really encouraging to see that progress.
Brent Thill
analystCompetitively, some ask, Splunk had changed their pricing in late 2019 to infrastructure-based pricing. Has that changed anything for you? Or is it still -- you've got such a big opportunity that it's really not you running up against them as much in the field.
Janesh Moorjani
executiveWell, we do see them in the field quite regularly, actually. And for logging-related use cases, it's -- we compete with them head on and increasingly for security-related opportunities as well. But when I think about what we bring to the table, search is a really powerful technology. And when it's done right, with speed, scale and relevance, it allows us to just help customers across so many use cases solve problems in a way that others just cannot. I talked about the benefits of being on a single stack. And when you think about what that means for observability where you've got logging and APM and infrastructure all on a single stack, that's a great place for us to be, and others just aren't there yet. And that starts to extend into security as well. And if I think about how we're executing against Splunk in the marketplace, again, I'd say it's early innings. These are multibillion-dollar markets, as we talked about earlier. We've not really seen much of a shift in competitive dynamics over the last 90 days or even longer. We've really not seen an impact to our business from the changes that Splunk announced on pricing. As you've seen, our customer metrics and our revenue trends continue to be quite strong. We've delivered pretty strong growth despite a mixed demand environment out there here in our most recent quarters as well. And then from what customers tell us, they choose us mainly because of the unified stack across observability and the value that we provide and the unified pricing model, which is based on resource usage, regardless of the type of use case, it resonates really powerfully with them as well. So I think we're executing quite well, and it's really not shifted much from where we were a quarter or so ago.
Brent Thill
analystSaaS is about 20% of revenue. Do you see a more concerted shift of workloads over time? How does this look over the next kind of 2 to 3 years in terms of the mix?
Janesh Moorjani
executiveYes, we've been really encouraged by our growth in SaaS, Brent. Very pleased with the growth in Elastic Cloud. I'd say we've executed well across many fronts, even if I have to pat myself on the back for that. We have just a large number of net new customer additions and also expansion. We've invested quite heavily in SaaS. When you think about all the dollars we've poured in by way of marketing, by way of the internal capabilities we built out, in terms of the presence that we've built across locations around the world and the strong partnerships with the likes of GCP and Azure. So we're actually quite pleased that these investments are all paying off. And we've delivered strong growth for many quarters in a row now. That said, we aren't doing anything to drive the forced change in the business. We, of course, prefer to have customers on Elastic Cloud. It's better for them to have a fully managed service from Elastic, and it's more valuable for us as well. But at the end of the day, customers will deploy us wherever their applications and infrastructure reside. If you've got your apps and infrastructure sitting in GCP, you're unlikely to deploy us on-prem or vice versa. And longer term -- so I think our growth in SaaS will generally mirror those customer preferences, and customers are just at different stages of motion in terms of their movement to the cloud. So more workloads are shifting to the cloud. But there's also still a large number of on-prem workloads. And we'll be there for customers wherever they are. We've had customers be fairly declarative and make statements to us a couple of years ago, like 2 years from now, 100% of my workloads will be in the cloud. And fast forward 2 years to the present, they've barely moved, and they're still largely on-prem or in a hybrid world. I will point out though that self-managed subscriptions don't be on-prem necessarily, just think that the customers downloaded our software. They could go off and deploy that in a cloud or manage it themselves. But just given our focus on the customer preferences, we do expect that SaaS will grow faster than the overall business like it has for several quarters now. So we expect that we continue to see a gradual mix shift in the business. Looking ahead that SaaS mix, as I think about what that means in terms of our overall model, that SaaS mix does create a little bit of a headwind on gross margin in percentage terms. But it's all additional gross profit dollars. And so we've managed that quite nicely so far over the past couple of years despite that increase that we've seen in the mix in SaaS from the mid-teens a couple of years ago to the low 20s, 25% here in Q1. That gross margin has been relatively consistent as we've continued to drive operational efficiencies. So really quite excited about the future prospects in SaaS.
Brent Thill
analystYou recently added a fairly high-profile individual to your team with Paul Appleby coming in to help run the field. Maybe just talk about his arrival. And I think everyone in software gets nervous when you bring in a new field leader because you always fear, hey, did this individual bring in his own drummer and base guitarist and change things around, right? And so the music may get better, but it may have a slight disruption in terms of the interim. So talk about that kind of the transition and what makes Paul right and how you managed through this without seeing the traditional hiccups that we've seen in the past?
Janesh Moorjani
executiveYes. So we're all actually quite excited that Paul is joining us. In his new role, he'll be responsible for all of the fields, so sales, services, partners and more. As we think about what we are looking for, we were looking for somebody who could come in and help us scale the company to $1 billion and beyond. And that's not to say that there's anything wrong or anything broken in terms of how we're executing today. In fact, if anything, we've got a very strong team and very strong leadership in Justin Hoffman as well as the rest of the leaders that we had in the field. Justin has been with us for more than 7 years now and has basically almost that entire time managed the business for us on the sales side anyway. He's been the one who's been responsible for the number and calling the number. So we've got a fair amount of consistency there. And so with all what we were really looking for is somebody to come in and start to help accelerate our next phase of growth over the medium-term. So I'd call that evolutionary rather than revolutionary change. And somebody who's seen that level of scale that we all know and that we're going through as a company now. Paul has had that experience from many roles in the past. He's managed a broader set of responsibilities across many organizations. He's shown leadership at scale. One of the attractive things was he's also been a CEO before. So he thinks broadly about Elastic as an enterprise which is a great additional perspective as well. So in just a few short piece, he's already hit the ground running. So it's not something about a tactical challenge that we are facing that we needed to change something. So I don't expect any particular short-term disruptions in the go-to-market motions or in the field or any of those aspects. We just continue to have ambitions and iterations, and we continue to evolve towards that model in the future, where we want to be a significantly larger company than where we are today. And we think Paul is the right leader to help us navigate that journey.
Brent Thill
analystYou mentioned COVID is helping. You don't want a pandemic to help business, but it is helping elements of the business, as you mentioned, with site search, with e-com. When you start to look at what you do in terms of your sales capacity, have you changed your view in terms of what you need to do in terms of adding capacity this year? You increased the desire to hire more sales reps is the forecast, similar to what you started at the beginning of year? Can you just talk to the trajectory of your sales hiring?
Janesh Moorjani
executiveYes, happy to. And maybe I'll just hit on one other piece, which is fiscal '20. I'll talk about the prior year before talking about the current year, as we get ready for next year. So if I think about fiscal '20, one piece to recall is that we consciously accelerated investments in the first half of fiscal '20, where we added more than 400 people in the first half both through organic hiring as well as the acquisition of Endgame. And then we moderated investments in the second half of the year in Q3 and Q4, and that was consistent with the model that we had laid out there. The reason I mentioned that is because this year, it's a reverse pattern. So as you sort of think about seasonality and year-over-year changes, you'll see some differences because as we started fiscal '21 this year, we were in the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic, and we consciously decided to lower our investments in fiscal Q1. And then emerging from that, based on the strong numbers that we reported a couple of weeks ago and looking ahead to the opportunity we have, we have started to invest again, and we think that it's the right thing for us to do to invest through the cycle so when we emerge from the pandemic, we're in a position to capture that opportunity. So we started increasing the pace of investments. And that's in all roles, including in sales capacity. So we are hiring reps in major geographies around the world. You can see that even on our website as rep counts have increased. And we think that hiring now as well as over the next couple of quarters, particularly on sales capacity, will help us ensure that we've got the right number of reps in the act and the right level of capacity for fiscal '22 as well; as well as all the other roles that make a sales rep more successful and more productive, whether it's SaaS or folks in the partner organization and so forth. So we're definitely investing towards fiscal '22.
Brent Thill
analystGreat. Thanks, Janesh. I think we're out of time, but appreciate you joining. And congrats on the momentum and looking forward to staying in touch. Thanks for joining today.
Janesh Moorjani
executiveYes. Thanks. Thanks for having us, Brent.
Brent Thill
analystTake care. Bye.
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