Ingram Micro Holding Corporation (INGM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 15, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood morning. Please give a warm welcome to Willa McManmon, Ingram Micro's Vice President, Investor Relations.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveGood morning, and thank you for joining us today both here in Dallas and virtually. Before we begin, please take a moment to review the disclaimer slide on the screen, and I'll just go through some legal language. During today's session, we will make forward-looking statements that are subject to risks that could cause our actual results to differ materially from today's presentation. Please refer to the cautionary statement and risks disclosed in our SEC filings. Information on non-GAAP financial measures that we discuss today, including reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in today's materials. Now let's turn to the agenda. To start the day, Paul Bay will discuss our evolution and how we're expanding our role beyond traditional distribution. Sanjib Sahoo will take a deeper dive into our operating model and strategy. We'll then break for lunch. After lunch, you'll hear directly from some of our customers our group presidents. Then Mike Zilis and team will discuss our operating model, capital allocation priorities and long-term financial framework. We'll conclude the formal program with a Q&A session. For those of you who are joining us virtually, you'll see the Q&A tab on your screen. Please submit your questions through that tab. And with that, I'll give the floor to Paul.
Paul Bay
executiveThank you, Willa. Good day, everyone. First, I want to start by saying thank you for joining us here, those of you here in the room with us. Also those of you that are joining us remotely via the webcast. It's been a super busy morning for Ingram Micro already. We actually got to ring the opening bell, which happened right here this morning. So a great honor after going public in 2024 and getting to ring the opening bell. So we're really excited here, be the first company that's actually hosting a Capital Markets Day here in the New York, Texas Stock Exchange. So pretty exciting. We look forward to a great day. I have to say I'm more excited now than I've ever been in my almost 30-year career in technology. So let's go ahead and get started. First, I'd like to introduce you to our executive team. Many of them, they're spread throughout the room today. Many of them you'll see presenting. So we're excited to let you get a view into the areas of operation that they have. Willa walk through that. They have many years of collective experience in technology, in business. And if actually you put it all together, just from an Ingram Micro standpoint, we actually have more than 200 years' worth of Ingram Micro experience. So a very seasoned team, and I'm honored and privileged to be able to lead such a great organization. I may be biased, but I think we have the best team in the industry. So let's start today. We're talking about the advanced logistics center that many of you got to tour. Hopefully, you saw that it demonstrated scale, operational discipline, automation, the ability to really effectively move technology efficiently around the world. But I hope you actually experienced more showing you how we're using technology, the data, the intelligence, the way we're changing to how work is getting done in the operation, all the way from order entry, all the way through our ALC. And the point of today is to really take you on a transformational journey. We're going to show you how we're moving from a distribution to the industry's first intelligent B2B operating system. We're going to be bringing intelligence at scale, solving complexity and removing friction. We're driving growth with new technologies and new businesses, and we're adding a life cycle services business with our supply chain services, along with our current IT asset disposition business and our reverse logistics and repair business. We're creating higher value for our customers, for our vendors and for Ingram Micro. We believe we're the only company using intelligence to bring a B2B commerce and operations together to drive a new level of value. And today, you're going to get a deeper insight to that. We're fundamentally a different company. You'll see the growth that we're driving, how we're generating that growth as well as our 3-year projection. So let's start with distribution. Distribution is a great business to be in. The total addressable market that we have, it's making it more relevant now than ever. It lowers costs, complexity. It lowers the need for capital and at scale. The industry is a collection of B2Bs depending on each other for growth and value creation. IDC predicts a $5 trillion TAM and it was just $2 billion to $3 trillion just a few years ago. So why Ingram Micro? Number one, Ingram Micro has unrivaled global reach, serving 165,000 customers, 1,500 vendor partners on 6 different continents. We have the ability to service 90% of the world's population. But it's not just about the diversity that we have or the reach that we have. It's really about the revenue reach that we have. And in Q2, North America represented 36% of our business; Asia Pacific, 30%; EMEA, 26%; and Latin America, 8%. So great diversity in that revenue and reach we have. Number two, the broadest solutions and service offerings across the entire technology life cycle. And that's important because 6 different products are made up of our average deployment that we invoice with our customers. Number three, investing ahead of the trends. We have always led the way in distribution. We invested early in highly technical advanced solutions, our specialty business, things like data capture and point-of-sale, unified communication and collaboration. We did this both organically and through acquisitions in the early days. We did this again with cloud, where we've announced that we've invested over $650 million in our cloud and our cloud platform. We've invested in our digital platform over the past few years, and now we're bringing the only intelligent operating system for B2B. In addition, we're creating new routes to market, capitalizing on the technology and AI boom. And finally, we're investing in our life cycle services business. The fourth reason why Ingram Micro is our track record of profitable growth and 47 years of proven success. So how do we operate differently? Customers describe us as a multiplier, an extension of their business. Ingram Micro solves complexity over thousands of business-to-businesses and hundreds of markets. A great example, as you can see here, is Chris Leahy, who is the Chairperson, President and CEO of CDW. They're a customer. People ask me quite often, the CDW a customer. They're one of our most valued and largest customers. And they value our partnership because of our scale and innovation. We're an extension of their business. Even with their size, we help augment what they're doing every day. And this strategy of putting the customer in the middle has been part of what we're doing and core to our business for the past 4 years. Again, it's all designed with the customer in the middle. There's a real differentiation in the way we operate, drive growth and innovate because our strategies are designed with our customer right in the middle of everything we do. We build value by servicing the entire life cycle, how technology is chosen, how technology is purchased how it's installed and integrated, how it's refreshed and disposed of and the value we create reduces operating cost, accelerates growth improves productivity and removing friction and time for our customers. These strategies, as I mentioned, have shaped and we've been using for the last several years are very customer-focused, focus on their experiences focus on building more cloud and consumption business, wrapping that all around with more services, operational transformation with an intelligent platform using intelligence to remove complexity and continuing to drive operational excellence, which has been in our DNA for dozens of years. These strategies and priorities create value with intelligence to uncover and drive new growth and an operating system, which supports faster time to market for our customers, maximizing value for them and for Ingram Micro. Ingram is the fuel and growth for our customers in every segment, we give our customers a way to pilot, to enter new markets, to enter new categories without having to make the investment or the capital or taking on the risk. We are their partner to help grow and resources to innovate. Let me give you an example, our Enable AI program, which helps customers understand, grow and deliver AI at scale. Customers don't have the skill sets. They don't have the resources, they don't have the competencies, and we augment all of these together, and we're perfectly positioned to help capture this market. Customers need a business partner that's adding value across the technology life cycle to reduce complexity. A couple of examples that you can see here is our technical centers of excellence. We have one of these in each of our 4 regions. They use our expertise to expand the offerings, presales, post-sales support, integration. Actually, from a post-sales support, we receive calls Level 1 and Level 2 calls directly from the end users on behalf of our vendors and our customers, and we're able to do that for them on a post sale standpoint. Technology solutioning, the broad technology categories and vendor solutions Again, our average products of 6 different products or services helps our customers save time and help them save money. Enablement with high level of trust to enter new markets training programs, things like financing, you'll hear more about today. These insights points our customers to new growth opportunities in adjacent markets, cross-selling, upselling, finding new white space and demand generation, helping them find new logos with richer engagement and broader reach. Many times, our customers have told me, "Paul, you actually know more about my end user than I do." And why is that? It's because of the intelligence we're bringing. One example that you hear us talk about is IDA, our Intelligent Digital Assistant. This is a quantifiable example and our first step towards our intelligence at scale, converting it into commercial action. In Q2, we delivered $1 billion of net new revenue at 4x the conversion rate at a higher margin. Today, you're going to hear from 4 different customers from each of the different regions. And you're going to hear from them about how Ingram Micro is an indispensable business partner to them. So put simply, Ingram Micro's intelligence, expertise and resources is a fuel for our customers, and we're providing them more ways in our operating system to help them deliver new growth at higher value. So with all this technology we talk about, depending on what shows up on the every morning's headlines, technology is great. But at the end of the day, people, relationships and trust matter, especially when it comes to the growth of AI. A great example of this is Jay Miley, who's President and CEO of Myriad360. They're a company that went from under $200 million to over $1 billion. And they did this was supported by our relationship and they're willing to invest with us. So let's hear a moment from Jay. [Presentation]
Unknown Executive
executiveIngram does take a longer-term perspective, and they're making investments in emerging technologies that, quite frankly, I'm not able to make quite yet because the market is not as mature or maybe it's a little slower to adopt, but they're making those investments for partners like me. And it's, quite frankly, enabling us to adopt and promote and sell technologies that we otherwise most likely would not. They are leveraging AI in ways that are -- some of their competitors just quite frankly, aren't. And it's making a real impact on our business. It's making us be more agile with our clients is helping us be much quicker to market on quotes. Speed really does matter in an industry like ours where change happens every day. Income really is a lot of the hard work upfront to make our lives easier. But quite honestly, the true differentiator is the people. The people in the business really matter. We are in a people business. AI is changing the world, and I understand that companies like mine and Ingram Micro are really levering it to scale their businesses more effectively. But at the end of the day, it's a people business, and Ingram really does the people think as well.
Paul Bay
executiveSo there's a couple of things I would take away from Jay's comments. Ingram Micro takes a longer-term perspective. We're adopting promoting and helping them deliver technicians that he wouldn't be able to do on their own. Speed matters. We're doing the hard work for them, relationships, people and trust drive growth. And I'll add that by using our technology and intelligence, he's able to find scale that hasn't been done before. So the ecosystem we're operating in, the lines are blurring based off what vendors are doing, what Ingram Micro is doing, what our customers are doing. This is due to the complexity and specialization. So what are we seeing in the market? Number one, vendors or customers, they look to Ingram Micro to provide reach and specialized skills. Number two, customers or vendors they're providing their own specialized offerings and their IP that they want to be able to help service their partners in the ecosystem. And number three, Ingram Micro is a service aggregator, right in the middle of how solutions and services are designed, built and delivered. And we have anticipated this change over the last 5 years and these investments perfectly position us to grow. As these school quotes scroll through, there's a couple of takeaways I want you to hear mid-market and SMB is a fragmented and untapped and distribution matters. Vendors compensate us as a global partner to help them capture growth where they can't reach. Hyperscalers, they're investing in us because their model isn't for go-to market or enablement or finding net new partners and complexity. Complexity is a core competency. We simplify and scale it, no matter the technology or category. Businesses aren't buying the outcomes. Our businesses aren't buying technology, business are buying outcomes and we scale outcomes. Our growth also comes from bringing more technology from more geographic locations, our reach our portfolio, enabling new technologies, whether it's AI, to Neoclouds, providing access to wrapping growing solutions, areas like entropic or partners like entropic and open adding consumption models and actively deploying and enabling net new emerging vendors. Being able to provide a better way for our customers to grow, operate and service differently. We're investing in ways to generate more growth across the entire technology life cycle. So let's stay on the theme of higher value. Services across the entire customer life cycle gives Ingram new ways to expand to new markets, modernize and monetize more increased share of that $5 trillion TAM I mentioned. Those that saw the ALC tour today, so state-of-the-art automation, visualization and data management, inventory optimization, real-time KPIs and analytics that's providing for us a whole new profitable business for us to get into. So let me give you a couple of examples of our life cycle services business. First, the supply chain services. It's aimed directly at our industry and other adjacencies. And for reference, in 2022, we sold our logistics business for $3 billion on $1.7 billion worth of revenue and we're back with even more automation, efficiencies and intelligence. We're not investing in warehouse capacity. We're actually building or creating it. So we're creating that space that you saw to be able to give us the opportunity from a supply chain system standpoint. Secondly, our IT asset disposition and reverse logistics and repair business. This is all part of the circular economy and we're going to continue to focus on how we can provide net new value-added services, adding new customers. We're adding AI when the constraints in AI, older technology many times is worth as much as the new technology. And we're doing it with a responsible and the strict data requirements and sustainability requirements that global companies require of us. We have the skills the competencies, the scale of the business, and we're a safe, secure, trusted partner. These business create resiliency and provides upside for us in a higher-value market. So our broad portfolio of solutions with our life cycle services and global reach is a strategic advantage. Where does the growth come from? Our growth comes from bringing new markets more efficiently within the SMB market. Hyperscalers depend on us to grow with AI, the new frontier with new customers and new vendors. If you look at consumption, IDC forecast consumption to grow by $1.3 trillion by 2029. It's a new way of how cloud is being bought, metered and serviced. The key insight here is routes to market for the mid-market and SMB do not exist today. We're building it. The channel is even more important with AI solutions new growth comes from 3 opportunities that we see. One is reselling AI, consumption, metering, the telemetry that's required. It's all built into Xvantage. Number two, attaching professional services as deployment, governance, driving adoption and operations; and number three, new genic services with field deployment engineers, the FDE model, and we're already investing ahead of the curve with this. and it's working. We hold Microsoft AI apps specialization. We're building custom agents today for SMBs. And we're building the same for AWS and Google. We're creating a new pipeline of growth. So why do we win with AI? Only Ingram Micro has that unparalleled global reach, we can serve with AI for our customers, we can recruit and enable new ones. We've got a multiyear head start with our platform, bringing hardware consumption, cloud and services, all to the single pane of glass and platform. The co-investments we're making with hyperscalers and our to bring AI to these frontier customers and expand the TAM that we're in. The AI ecosystem is building supply. We're building a scalable route to market. We've had conversations with many technology industry analysts about our strategy and around Xvantage and our intelligent B2B operating system. We receive their input help us explain better this positive new approach that we're taking to the market. And the industry analysts have said, one, it removes friction. Two, it provides a unique service layer. Three, it's an intelligent operating system, which is providing a deeper integration. And four, it delivers higher retention and switching costs. Here's a quote you can see here from Steven Dickens, who I believe is here virtually with us. today. And Steven is exactly right. The moat around our ecosystem that we've built allows us to serve far more of that $5 trillion TAM than traditional distributors, which brings me to take a little bit of a deeper look at Xvantage. It's our vehicle and our platform for growth and intelligence at scale. It's the foundation for our intelligent operating system. For us, you've heard us talk about there's really 3 phases of Xvantage and our platform business. Number one, remove friction and operating expense. Number two, provide demand generation, how do we go from being reactive to proactive. And number three, use our data and convert it into intelligence with the buying signals that drives actions and outcomes. You're going to hear a lot about that here shortly from Sanjib Sahoo, who is going to be up next. So you combine that with our people and our reach, and we're delivering to our customers more speed, more scale and more service to give them a better experience. And our innovation doesn't end with go-to-market. We're building more intelligent ways for B2Bs to transact and operate, which is powering our intelligent operating system, turning intelligence into business value at scale. And I want to be clear. we're building this technology. Our global data mesh, we started. It all starts with the data, as we know, and we've been on this journey for a few years now. We have more than 400 machine learning AI models that have been training for over a year. they're better, they're smarter. They're learning every day. This is all created by thousands of Ingram Micro developers and engineers. We have over 30 patents pending and 8 that have been approved. This demonstrates our commitment to be an innovator, serving the industry and brand new ways. And now we have our first unified platform operating model, which we call our Palm model. Why does that matter? Because we're adding operating leverage to our largest countries. You build, you standardize, you innovate once and you can scale it globally anywhere. So we're taking a fragmented B2B industry, and we're creating this B2C experience for our partners. So something happened, this is great. We're super proud to talk about. This something happened last year. We actually had Stanford University reach out to us and do a case study on us. So they proactively reached out to us. And this was because we were taking a start-up mentality, basically actively disrupting a 47-year-old business model. Why were we doing this? It's to be the platform where B2Bs can come, grow, expand, scale and service their partners differently. So the Stanford School graduate school of business, [indiscernible], a professor there, and he's an expert in start-ups. And he said, "Ingram Micro, is transforming while performing. They're actually using this case study as part of their graduate studies at Stanford now. " So put simply, Ingram Micro is something worth investing in. Ingram Micro's business model allows us to capture the growing markets, hardware, software, cloud, subscription, consumption and the services, all from the single platform. The growing complexity of AI, many technology solutions, they need a simplified go-to-market and point solutions don't play anymore. Customers and vendors need workloads that are orchestrated in Harmony. And our business model fits perfectly right in the center of an entirely new growing ecosystem where the B2Bs and opening new routes to market for mid-market and SMB that we serve every day. And you put this all together with our intelligent operating system, which gives us operating leverage and a path to disrupt legacy models with a different value proposition. So what you're going to see throughout today is why Ingram Micro. Again, our unparalleled reach that we have, 90% of the world's population scale that generates value. excellent global revenue diversification, and we do it with the right business practices in every country we operate in. We have the largest portfolio of solutions and services, and it continues to grow with AI. Our life cycle services business, ITAD, reverse logistics and repair and getting back into the supply chain services business. We're continuing, and we will continue to invest ahead of the trends. We've always led the way in distribution. We've invested in highly technical advanced solutions and specialty services. We did this again in cloud. We're creating new routes to market for AI, capitalizing on the technology and AI boom. We invested in our digital platform, and now we're building the industry's only intelligent operating system for B2B. Our track record of profitable growth, we had a very solid Q1. We had the best Q2 in company history, and the second half is shaping up nicely. You'll see the 3-year plan, which reflects growth and innovation. And Mike will cover this later on today, but this really indicates that the momentum that we're building. So with that, I'd like to turn the stage over to Sanjib Sahoo, who is our President of Global Platforms Group. So please join me on stage, Sanjib. He's going to show all this all comes together and comes to life. Thank you.
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveGood morning. I'm going to talk about intelligence to impact when my slides come up. That's okay. And Paul talked a lot about intelligence and scale and how we are becoming a different company. Today, I'm going to talk about the operating model, how we are changing it and how we are advancing our strategy to drive new value creation through intelligence. About 5 years ago, I came from Ingram Micro from B2B and B2C. Another very interesting thing that attracted me that we sit at the center of the technology ecosystem. That's very unique. And today, that industry has a problem. Our industry has an intelligence problem. And let me tell you why. When you look at distribution, it started with hardware. The vendors went to distributors to resellers to end customers was primarily hardware and the motion was inventory center, you buy, you hold, you sell, you came from logistics, financing, you created a channel. There was a lot of friction. There was a lot of complexity by doing that. Just imagine the complexity. A single court took 3 companies, 12 people and 72 hours. That is how this industry operated. Over the last decade, then came cloud. onetime transactions change to subscription models, consumption models changed. And what is more important, as you heard from Paul, the lines were blurring. It created more complexity with billing and coating and the line started to blur. Then came another major transformation, we all know called AI. What AI did was it added way more complexity, how you solutionize. As you heard, vendors become customers, customers or vendors. So today, we have an ecosystem problem and complexity is rising higher than we can absorb it. Their bespoke solutions, tools, changing every day, a lot of complexity. What was the linear network once has become like this. We have our vendors, end customers, customers, service providers, hyperscalers, AI companies, financing and logistics. Everybody is going to everybody. That's a lot of complexity. And can we solve complexity by adding way more complexity by building way more tools, how do we solve it? Because the ecosystem has changed, but we are trying to solve the same way. Distribution was designed to move products through a linear chain. It is good. It was valued to a product. But today, what you see from all this network is it requests intelligence. Now let me start and define what is intelligence. Intelligence is not AI. AI is the technology. Intelligence simply is understanding what happened from this complicated network, why it happened? And what can happen next? And how do you understand and take action to predict a better outcome? Simply put, this ecosystem creates a lot of signals. How do you understand the context from the signal and drive outcome? Simply put, that is intelligence. And that is the connective tissue today. That is ecosystem needs a connective tissue, which is agnostic, and we are right at the center of that ecosystem being that intelligence layer. Now this problem cannot be solved by connecting systems. You can connect systems, bespoke solutions. Today, we have to combine intelligence because intelligence will open new routes to market. Complexity was a tax that we paid for this ecosystem. Simplicity is the opportunity. And today, intelligence drives that simplicity and simplifies the ecosystem. It connects all these signals and drives outcomes. Now what is the signal. It's not a transaction. Imagine a customer doing a porting request. Imagine a customer doing a financial inquiry, how do we learn from that and drive demand or aggregate new opportunities. If you look at how we started our journey. We started building a platform to digitize our connection with our customers and vendors better because there was so much complexity, fragmentation and friction. Xvantage started to digitize that. As we went through the journey, we found out that it's not that digitization, it brings in transactions. We started building intelligence then you realize that the ecosystem has changed. So today, we have to bring in a new way to connect demand and supply. Distribution was connecting supply to demand. Today, with our intelligent platform, we are connecting demand to supply. No, demand and supply have changed. Let's look at our business for a second. If you look at our supply side, our vendors, we have a long tail of vendors. Today, you heard a single solution takes 6 vendors to aggregate accumulate. The long tail vendors are looking for being part of a multi-vendor solution. They're looking for how they can generate demand across the other side. They're looking for growth which they do not get access to the channel, but to service them for a distributor, it takes a lot of effort and scale and cost. If you look at the big vendors, the global vendors, the hyperscalers, the #1 thing that they want is access to net new SMBs or long tail because they want demand generation. I'll talk about how we can get there. They also want intelligence provided to them for their own product to supply chain. That's what they want today. And anyways, we are working with them to cater to the enterprise player in the business. Look at our demand side, our customers, the long tail SMB and growth. As you heard from Paul, this is where the opportunity is. It requires a lot of scale and ability to actually address the long tail. You have to automate the experience, increase their value. It requires more of guidance with them. However, if you look at the mid-market, the needs are different. They need more outcome, more of a frontier model. They look for increasing share of wallet, looking at solutioning, looking at outcome, different needs. The enterprise, which we do all the time with our business, they need efficiency, they need scale. They need automation. So the bigger customers need orchestration, the mid-market needs outcome and the long tail needs guidance. How do you cater to these needs through a single platform? When we started this journey, we thought about how do we connect demand and supply. So we realized the bigger vendors and the enterprise was more efficient in automation, which platform was accelerating. But then we realized that for the long tail, we need a platform-led approach, a platform that can connect with automation. But there is an interesting thing that happened after that. As we are trying to build that long-tail approach. Our industry has been changing. What was fulfillment is today context, life cycle, attach bundling because there's no one solution and solutioning together, packaging and most importantly, demand generation. So you see the life cycle even the margin economics are changing. What was rate, GP rate is right now, the dollars to the life cycle, bundling solutioning, demand generation, how do we drive demand generation in the long tail, the long tail and it's complex, it's difficult to drive that value in the long tail because change is happening all the time. Solutions coming all the time, but it's our biggest opportunity. Today, intelligence helps us to play in that long tail. [Presentation]
Unknown Executive
executiveIngram Micro is setting the direction of the industry rather than responding to it. Every distributor has tried to reach the long tail of their end customers or the channel partners' customers by lowering the cost of a transaction. Ingram Micro is lowering the cost of a relationship, which is the constraint that actually binds.
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveSo the true value will come from automation to lower the cost, but really giving guidance through intelligence that will improve the value of the relationship kind of like a relationship leverage. Now in our journey, we see this is not just data. B2B is complex. Many B2B companies have data. Some have insights Few have intelligence, fewer have intelligence at scale. Today, we are uniquely positioned to deliver actionable intelligence at scale. And let me tell you why. In that complicated connected ecosystem where everyone is going to everyone today, we have built a great reach and network. We have 165,000 customers. We have 1,500 vendors through the same network. We have millions of end customers thousands of services. So far, it was interesting. We had a distribution business. We built a great network. Interestingly, last few years, as we are building the platform, we have built an information network which processes today 250 million events daily. These events are signals. These events are telling you something. And if you do not act on the signal on a transaction, you are leaving unrealized value on the table. Today, the demand generation is based on this signal turn to opportunity. When you look at your phone, you have an operating system. But you may not know that operating system. Every day that operating system looks at your application, memory, storage, takes complexity out and gives you a better outcome. Who is that operating system who is in the center, trying to take complexity out with changes every day and giving a better outcome and most importantly, driving demand. Keep in mind, demand doesn't start with an order. It starts with a signal. And how do we learn the signal to understand that demand is already there, how do you go and find it through the intelligence and action. So who can find it? And I'm going to tell you why we are positioned to find that demand. Now let's look at something more interesting. What was the linear value chain today. Through our platform, and we brought in the transactions has become a different chain. Those events and signals fed with our context of many, many years, then we can reason and action, drive an outcome and recommend. This is creating a new value loop because signals reveal opportunities. Context determines why they matter. So this has given us this new real that can find new ways and new routes to market that we can go forward. And let me give you some examples. Today, with a couple of our top vendors and hyperscalers we are thinking about combining intelligence. And when we combine intelligence with their signals with our signals, imagine attach data, refreshed data bought-in we can now play in the white space by combining that intelligence and drive actionable agent. This is actually we are doing today. This is not just agents building. This is the combination of intelligence that we are starting to build right now. Let's look at AI. We all know with AI, you cannot build one solution. If you look at AI, it touches multiple layers. You had a unified platform with hardware consumption, subscription services because AI goes to multiple layers. And if you look at the route to market, enterprise, they're primarily building. They know what they want, they're fulfilling. Mid-market is still on the frontier model looking at the outcome. SMB, it's guidance. They're still building the infrastructure and the data center. But what is more important is the life cycle. It's not point of time. If you look at how AI is built, it's a journey. You have to go through deploy, govern, adopt and operate. So our position at the center of this ecosystem, opening new routes to market with customers, vendors, financing gives us a unique opportunity. Our network is strong. Our platform build the automation and integrations brought in the transactions. The transactions are giving signals. And today, our intelligence, along with that is making us an opportunity to open new routes to market. and we are becoming that intelligent operating system. Now you might ask the question, why us? Because AI models can be replicated, AI can be rented. You cannot replicate or rent the operating context. Ingram Micro has 47 years of history of operations. We aggregate all the data. We look at our platform to bring in signals through various experiences. And then we have built our technology foundation. That is creating a unique moat for us to play this agnostic operating system for the B2B. Now this does happen 1 day. This was years in the coming. And as you heard today, it all starts with people. Now we had a great distribution DNA for many years with a great experienced people. but we injected a platform DNA in that ecosystem by hiring more than hundreds of people from tech companies and Silicon Valley companies. And they combine together. They bring in the experience and the expertise. Let's hear from a couple of them how they work together. [Presentation]
Unknown Executive
executiveMy background is in building consumer scale data and intelligence systems at Instagram and other e-commerce businesses, where personalization and recommendations, for example, need to run in real time for millions of people. At Ingram, data flows through millions of transactions on our ecosystems from numerous systems and sources, including partner relationships, pricing, customer orders, financing, logistics, et cetera. We have built our real-time data mesh with harmonized data to feed context to our EI factory, and this is our foundation. We are moving from connecting systems to combining intelligence. While frontier AI models are becoming a commodity, what becomes a differentiator is the operating history and context. For example, our platform knows who the partner is, what they buy, what they renew, what they can finance and how they execute. So recommendation lands in context, not in a vacuum. I've spent 30 years on the business side of technology. In the last 20 of it in distribution. And what we've seen is more of a linear progression. So going from phone calls to faxes, then to e-mail and then to e-commerce. And what's different now is we're seeing an exponential change. This is about expanding the reach of our partners. So for example, being able to do outreach to tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of additional partners that maybe they wouldn't have been able to engage with before. So the agents have enabled them to have a broader reach more intelligent reach and be able to add more value in all of their interactions. And this is what makes our approach no is the combination of the intelligence, the genetic capabilities and our operating model and our industry knowledge that makes it truly unique and is providing a value proposition that is getting a tremendous response from all of our partners.
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveSo our technology teams have built a patented technology mode. It's a journey. It started first by building the platform foundation, the architecture, the data engine experience layer, 42 million lines of code homegrown in the last few years. On top of the platform then we built a real-time data mesh. And what does it do? The platform experience bring in transactions but it adds the context with 47 years of data to one source of truth, but 250 million events and signals processing every day. Then we built our custom AI factory. How do these AI models become production grid? How can we add a combination of context and the intelligence, the models together? On top of that, we started building the journey. You cannot automate or identify a process that is broken. How do you go end-to-end with the journey to build on top of that. Then we built all the models. You heard about it today from Paul homegrown machine learning and AI models. That's why today, we have that intelligence foundation that is helping us to go and find new opportunities. And it's a platform which is built once and can be delivered to many multiple segments of customers, multiple size of vendors, different countries, we got small. We have taken a platform approach. And to do this, we have actually partnered with innovators in the industry. This is a complicated problem to solve together. And together, we are bringing this innovation in this ecosystem. Now where are we in this journey? Today, we have 2 of the 57 countries alive on the platform. And in those countries, about 80% of the revenue goes on the platform. And different countries are at a different maturity level because you have to understand that when you build the capability of a platform, they gives them signals and transactions while you get benefits, but capability and intelligence feeds each other. It keeps on growing. So we have capabilities feeding intelligence and intelligence outcome. And today, we are starting to have -- I'll talk about it, our intelligent operating model in a region. So we are building on top of these capabilities. And we are showing leverage in the 10 most mature markets, we see higher growth revenue per head, gross profit per head with lowering go-to-market OpEx. And you can see that the self-service order mix and the revenue for customer orders are increasing. And we are not only drawing this leverage for us. We are improving cost for our customers as well. Now you heard a lot of promise. Let's show some proofs. So we're going to move into intelligence in action. The first thing is Xvantage was not a storefront or a website for customers. It's an experience for the entire ecosystem. And if you look at how we have built this experience and a personalized experience with our intelligence, it has an experience for our customers. where they come our mobile app for our vendors. For our associates internally who can actually operate on that. For integration, it can connect with CPQ CRMs of our customers [indiscernible] with like Salesforce. It can even experience for our end customers. So it creates a completely integrated experience through the platform. Those bring in those signals. Now if you look at the automation and intelligence-led efficiency, -- you heard about ETO, e-mail to order, our patented technology, taking friction out for our customers. It helps us to really make us more efficient. And we are actually driving efficiencies not for us only, even for our customers. Some of the code to order times have improved from days to minutes. And Mike will talk about it more in the OpEx that every handoff we remove takes out cost for us and our customers. Just look at more detail into this proactive selling mode, which is actionable insights. Paul talked about IDA. When you look at IDA, today, we are looking at algorithms, codes, not only increasing the funnel but prioritizing with our models to figure out which has the highest propensity to close, where it can actually have better conversion rate. Our associates come today, they already get a prioritized list. They can prioritize by outcome. They can even look at high-margin opportunities. This is where we are changing to margin. They can look at preparing themselves through an intelligence exposed by our agents that we have built called sales briefing agent. When they give feedback, we can capture further actions. And they can even do a research for a customer that saves them a lot of time to prep for that. This is helping us to change completely from a reactive way to a proactive way of selling, bringing intelligence straight into the sales cycle. [Presentation]
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveNow we are bringing the same insights and visibility to our vendors. Our vendors today can log into the same platform, get performance signals help dashboard. They can even get their customer demand signals. They can even look at their code pipeline along with conversion propensity in the same platform that is sharing the intelligence today. Distribution was never known to give this real-time intelligence visibility to our vendors. And now we are combining this to bring in drive actions, what I'll show. Working capital, ROWC. We are using intelligence today in the same process to intelligently buy. Our associates can do intelligent-driven de-analysis. They can look at how they can optimize a buy-in from the vendors. They can use the intelligence to chat with our agent and really figure out how do we improve our DIO. So I'm giving you areas where we're using intelligence to run our business. Imagine, data helps you run your business, intelligence helps you grow your business. If you look at another important component, -- we talked about B2C in B2B. It's not easy. Some of us -- it's NFL season. Watch a game on Sunday, order your food on mobile, come back on Monday and make a phone call. How can we make Sunday to Monday a fun day? And how do we create a B2C experience on a B2B? Let me give you an example of how we are using intelligence to create a B2C experience on B2B. A single pane of glass with hardware, software subscription services completely personalized for every personal. The widgets are customized. Every action you take, the platform is learning. It can be for any subscription cloud, it can help you do intelligent search, understanding where you search before based on your persona. It can give you cross-selling recommendations right at that point based on your history. Look at this. It can automatically attach a warranty. Understanding the signal that there is a cross-selling opportunity right there. You can do software pairings. What really goes. In this case, you see that. A unified card, Imagine a single card, which has hardware, software, subscriptions, services, not different marketplaces, not different platforms. A single card that shows all of that in a single platform, taking complexity out. And when the order is done, you can actually go to the same platform and it can do real-time order status tracking, understanding where your actually delivery is and track that from here. Our customers are spending more time in the platform. We are creating a different B2C experience in B2B. And this experience, now we're extending to mobile. Imagine a notification of a deal that you have. You want to optimize inventory, you push it through mobile so that your customers can get a real-time notification. You want -- we have a high propensity code for a small MSP, you can push it through a mobile app or you can actually do a one-click ordering to do that. We see customers using the phone to -- not only check pricing, but transacting to the phone right now. Subscriptions, a complicated challenge in the industry. Consumption models change. Renewals, opportunities. Imagine you get a renewal signal 1 year before renewal happens. How do you understand that? How do you drive recommendations on subscriptions? How do you take complexity out about the entire subscription life cycle and manage subscriptions? How do you have facilitated a one-click auto renew? These are complicated problems to solve in the same platform that you actually had and was selling hardware. You heard about Enable AI. Today, the experience that we have, we learned by doing AI. We are sharing it with our customers. They can come to the same platform. They can do a custom skill builder. They can take a readiness assessment to understand where they are in the journey. Really customized for them. Personalized evaluations in the platform for them to understand. Then we give a maturity scorecard which reads them. And ultimately, we create a tailored action plan for our customers in the platform that can help them go through that AI journey. Because AI is a journey, not a destination. Now I'm going to move to one another thing, which is integration. We need to integrate intelligence together. You heard about MCP. This is where Xvantage goes beyond Xvantage to connect with our customers. Customers don't have to come to us. We share our intelligence, our context and our history shared with them for a benefit of them. Let's hear from one customer how they're leveraging MCP. [Presentation]
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveThese integrations bring us signals and to get context. And we are not only stopping that. We are actually now integrating this with any AI frontier assistance. If you look at this, the platform is connected via these customers. Imagine a small MSP who may not have that IT budget to invest in AI. They can quickly use their own frontier assistance and work with our platform from a catalog getting in seconds to get a recommendation to even get a push model solution that we can do together. This is where we are combining intelligence not only with our vendors, but also with our customers. So all of this experience that we are bringing in has a very interesting dynamic. If you look at the actions, the insights, the buying, the B2C design, intelligence anywhere, mobile, go-to-market assistance, it actually tells us something. Through all these experiences, we are not only bringing in transactions. We are gaining the intelligence that is making the next one smarter. That's our new operating model. Because every transaction creates a context and every intelligence-driven action that we have is actually driving a better outcome because intelligence is connecting that signal to the context to drive an outcome. So this is actually our new operating model. Today, we are really moving towards an intelligent operating model where a platform connects the participants, brings in their automates, digitizes, but an intelligence drives action, drives reach, drives push where you need to do today because the ecosystem has become so much more complex, and you need renewal signals, buying single recommendations. Paul talked about platform operating model. We started the journey by standardizing and cost efficiencies throughout the globe. But without that, we could not have built the intelligent operating model. The products -- initially be more products that require scale. Platform connected the participants, brought in the transactions, give us the foundation for the intelligence. Today, we have the foundation now for an intelligent operating system to operate. And let me give you a couple of examples of how we are doing this. Our sales pipeline that you saw sales briefing agent, we integrate with our internal data and external data for signals. And then we prep our sales force, our sales teams with agentic intelligence to understand who to target, where to target. And with the right opportunity, you have to understand the propensity. So you're moving from an -- being an order taker to really being an order maker, from reactive to being proactive. Now this approach, we can scale the intelligence with humans and can also scale with agents. If you look at this today, our agentic outreach. The signals we identify are opportunities, upsell cross-sell opportunities, high propensity codes, renewals. These are all opportunities. You do not get -- these are invisible. You have to go and find them by attaching all the data. Now the agent identifies an opportunity, how do we push? You saw it today, we can actually push you and a mobile app by a notification. We can do an MCP. A small customer comes to us, we are pushing, we are not waiting. We push through an MCP. And we can also be an interactive marketing to push and automate intelligence to that. This is where we are now in a phase of creating a repeatable model that operationalize intelligence. Our engine looks at opportunity, propensity, intent and then identifies prioritized action. Bill Brandel, who will come here later after lunch, will talk about how we are doing this in North America, starting to show this model. These actions can be taken when associate who understands where to reach by an agent, the port that we don't cover, how do we go, but not blindly the right customer at the right time to drive the route outcome, moving a push model. So you feed in growth strategies here and you fit in opportunities. And that's how if you balance all of them, you get your leverage. So really intelligence is more a growth and operating leverage story. You can look at revenue, margin, not only our gross margin, but your operating margin, your productivity, strong cash flow. You balance all this to the intelligence model that you have. We are turning intelligence into a compounding advantage. We did the hard work using our scale, build the platform to build the integrations and infrastructure. And today, we have created a new growth flywheel. If you look at this, this is the model. The signals when the customers come to us with the experience, they give signals where you have invisible demand, demand generation, that's where our vendors want. That's where long tail wants. We can attach the entire ecosystem. Now match that with our context for so many years of operating then use our models and intelligence to reason, understand the action and drive outcome and keep on this loop. This flywheel fuels a new growth engine on the foundation that we have built on the technology mode and the operating experience that we have built. And this converts intelligence into commercial outcomes, a different model. If you look at this entire flywheel, this is the core flywheel. But you saw before, this has helped us to become a broader ecosystem flywheel. Through these intelligent and actions, we create a better experience. We're bringing more vendors. Take the complexity out because complexity is the biggest constraint for growth. We bring in more solutions because the industry is not about pushing one solution, it's bundling solutioning together. How do you do that without the intelligence and the solution. You attract more customers. Then you can price promotion, merchandise. Then you can bring in the ecosystem partners. We'll talk about this later. This entire ecosystem, somebody had to solve it, who is agnostic. A vendor who focuses on products cannot solve it because they focus on products. Hyperscalers focus on cloud, but we focus on the ecosystem. That is why we are the intelligent operating system of this global take ecosystem. Xvantage has evolved from being a digital platform to an intelligent operating system of this entire ecosystem because this is a problem, somebody had to solve it. Like you saw from Paul's presentation before, this foundation helps us to create a pivoting business model. We have the operating system, which is bringing signals, bringing in the integrations and the network we have, we can build supply chain, finance, marketing ITAD. We can add this foundation and keep on expanding from distribution because these are B2B problems. The technology and the operationalization that we are building solves for B2B. So we are moving from distribution, to tech, to B2B. So in this journey, you heard Paul saying, we have reduced OpEx, and Mike will give more details about it. We have increased revenue. But today, we are now in a phase where through intelligence, we are really getting into margin optimization. We're optimizing margin and showing the leverage. It's a $5 trillion technology market where intelligence is improving and expand the value of every transaction. And as I told before, this problem had to be solved. I know a start-up that is solving this problem, a $57 billion startup with a $5 trillion opportunity. That's us. Because on the pace of this foundation, we can bring in other B2B opportunities through this flywheel because today, we have built the foundation. Distribution moved products. It's really good at it. Platform digitized and connected participants, but that created signals. And if you add to our context, today, we optimize outcomes with our intelligent model that we have. For decades, we moved products. Today, we move intelligence. We just don't move products to the value chain. We move intelligence to the value chain. And maybe we are creating a different value chain because this intelligence model that we are building is driving action to outcome and really building the growth and leverage. And Mike will talk more about it with the intelligence bridge that is changing our economics. So we are changing from a transaction business to a compounding intelligence platform, a different company. Scale is our advantage. Intelligence is a multiplayer. Thank you. We'll take Q&A right now.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveWe're now taking some questions. So this comes in from our live audience. So Sanjib, can you provide more details on how the Xvantage platform helps vendors, OEMs, customers, basically the entire supply chain, help navigate the current dynamic supply and demand environment, including rising ASPs and component shortages? How does this translate into deeper customer relationships and revenue growth?
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveYes. Great question.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveThat's a lot there.
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveYes, it's a lot there. If you go back to the segment of vendors that we showed and the segment of customers, if you look at the larger vendors, they actually work with us to do most of the products to the market. And a lot of them is vendor-led, and we generate demand in some scenarios. So we play in the role where we fulfill, we take the products, we do it efficiently and we really give them the opportunity of the channel that they want. But those vendors today are looking for unmatched demand of the signals. If you look at any large vendor today, the #1 thing they will ask is how can you match our pricing, what do we have, and get us access to the net new SMB in the long tail. That's the opportunity that they have. And what they want is really a level of segmentation that they don't play generally, and that's not their core competence, but that's where they want to go. So today, we do a great job in working with the enterprise. So if you look at the platform, the platform has 2 motions. With our transaction automation with our vendors, we do it. Efficiently take their products in the big customers enterprise and the upper mid-market area. But if you look at what the platform gets today with combining intelligence, imagine their pricing data, their signal data and you combine their intelligence with our intelligence, we can get understanding of units, ASPs and signals and then we can really use our agentic intelligence to actually push it to the long tail and drive value. That's what the vendors won. Most importantly, the vendors can also come into their platform and can get visibility, as you showed today. They can get visibility. They can get customer demand signals. They can also get understanding their propensity for codes and performance, which gives them an understanding of their markets even more better.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveGreat. And how hard would it be for competition to replicate what we're doing with Xvantage?
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveSo we are not solving a distribution problem only. We are solving an ecosystem problem. And if you look at our differentiator, we have the foundation, I showed the journey today, right? It's not about an AI model or it's not about building a platform. Our goal is not to only build the best platform. We want to build the intelligent operating layer for the ecosystem, which requires the operating context, which records a technology foundation, which records the -- aggregating the data, which takes a lot of effort, which requires your journey mapping, which also requires your foundation of the systems that they talk to each other. That's a lot of complication to build. Now I cannot comment where competition will catch up. I have due respect for them. But what I can tell you is that this operating context, with the history of operation we have, with the data that we have aggregated. Over the last few years, the experience that we created to get the signals and then to build an agentic foundation, it's hard to copy.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveHow will Xvantage help drive enable AI and expansion of AI as a whole?
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveThere are 2 ways. If you look at the AI motion that I explained today, it is different in different segments of our customers. A lot of us think AI, we get confused by the AI models or what AI is doing. If you can understand that -- somebody, a customer asked me a question about AI. I said without data and the infrastructure, your enterprise AI will not work. So if you segment your customers into how AI will work, the enterprise generally, are doing mostly fulfillment. That's where you see the GPUs, how they're coming up right now. So our role is we are really helping it working, participating and participating in that GPU fulfillment. Where there is an opportunity is mid-market and long tail. In the mid-market, you see more outcome-based. AI has about 6 or 7 layers, right? We talk about the hardware layer, but there is an application layer, networking layer, model layer, multiple layers. How do you bundle the solutions together to drive the right outcome? And how do you partner with the hyperscalers together or vendors? So this whole multi-solution approach is important. So there is a mid-market component to that. In the SMB, I think we need to give guidance. So that requires a push model. That is why we are talking about in our platform today, it requires intelligent bundling. We showed about a bundling of solutions. And then we really have to reach out to the SMBs through the intelligence or the push model to take them in the journey because they are looking for guidance. So we sometimes look at AI as a reselling AI capacity. But if you break the AI journey into multiple phases, every segment of customers is different for a reason, and that's how we intend to partner with them.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveOkay. We have time for just one more. We're going a little bit long. Can you talk a little bit about the patents and what -- how they provide a proprietary advantage?
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveAbsolutely. So if you look at our technology journey that our teams have taken, we have written our proprietary code -- use of 42 million lines of code. But the code was structured in a way that is agnostic to data from ERPs to the engines and the experience. These patents are problems that are -- B2B, for example, dynamic SKU. How can we have a SKU not overloading our ERP? Creating a B2C design in B2B. An agnostic framework where save time for integration with vendors. As you know, integrations take a long time. Using our intelligence and framework, how we can integrated much more faster. You saw it today, a sales force integration happening in minutes. So these are some of the patents that we have done, 8 of them approved, which is actually solving B2B problems, not just distribution problems. And Willa, as I said before, we are solving an ecosystem problem. These patterns position us to solve that and be a different company. I hope you all got that today from our discussions.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveGreat. Thanks, Sanjib. At this point in time, for the virtual audience, we'll be breaking for lunch, and we'll be returning at 12:45 Central Time.
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveThank you. [Break]
Jennifer Anaya
executiveBroadcasting. Thank you for joining us back. As Paul mentioned this morning, we are providing intelligence at scale, and he outlined our strategy and what Ingram Micro is doing to fuel growth for our customers and our vendor partners. And Sanjib really brought it to life. And you got to see how the platform works, how our intelligence works. And now we actually have 4 customers here representing each of our 4 regions, and we're going to talk a little bit about what their businesses are about, how they're partnering with Ingram Micro and what we're all doing to drive growth together. So with that, Greg, I'm going to start with you, and maybe you could give us a sense of Pellera and who you are at Pellera and your role? And maybe also who your customers are that you're working with?
Greg Berard
attendeeSure. Well, first of all, thank you to the Ingram team for having us today. We appreciate it. For those who don't know me, my name is Greg Berard, CEO of Pellera Technologies. Pellera is a North American-based solution provider that really focuses on 4 key areas: data center technologies, application modernization in cloud, cybersecurity and then data and AI. We're $5 billion in revenue. We have over 3,000 employees. And we really focus on what we believe to be unique in the marketplace around our aim philosophy around all those strategic practice areas. So our ability to help our customers, advise them on the solutions they need, implement those technologies and then wrap managed services around all of them as well. From a customer perspective, we've been very acquisitive. So we've acquired companies in every region across North America. So we're really industry-agnostic. But we do, do business with the largest financial services, largest health care customers, automotive and public sector would be the 4 largest industries.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveOkay. And what are you seeing that's different about the business you're doing today?
Greg Berard
attendeeSure. So the biggest thing, as we all know, is the AI trends in the marketplace, right? So we've really started to see a shift towards, let's stop talking about AI and let's start implementing technology. So we've helped our customers build very large high-performance compute clusters. We've seen them really put more focus on understanding the governance, understanding the compliance, how do they make sure their environment is secure to roll out the AI technology. So we've really seen a big shift towards let me understand what the use cases are, but now we're starting to implement real-life AI use cases. And that's been a nice shift over the last, I'll call it, 12 to 24 months.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveYes. Great. So you mentioned $5 billion, so not a small company, fast growth. How is Ingram Micro partnering with you and helping you with that growth?
Greg Berard
attendeeYes. Ingram Micro has been a very, very strategic partner of ours since 2017. So they've really been along the growth journey with us, helping us continue to build and explore and expand the business across the board. When I think about the relationships -- in this business, everything is about relationships. Ingram Micro helps us not only with their relationships and their executive team, but also the relationships we need to have with our strategic partnerships. So understanding who the OEMs are out there that we should have relationships with and then brokering those deep relationships. The other piece is around supply chain management. We don't know that continues to be a challenge, and Ingram does a great job helping us understand what's available. We don't do a lot in the inventory side, so you guys have been a great partner to help us manage inventory and make sure things are ready when our customers need them. And then the last piece is around financial opportunities, right, helping us be creative, whether it's around acquisitions, whether it's around buying patterns of our customers or nowadays with the high-performance compute cluster transactions, we're doing deals that are hundreds of millions of dollars and having a partner like Ingram that can help support that is very important for us.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveThat's fantastic. Thank you. So Irvin, GBN is a different company than Pellera. Can you talk to us a little bit about GBN and what you specialize in?
Irvin Valencia Rivera
attendeeYes. Thank you for inviting us, Ingram. It's a pleasure to be here. So we are a partner in Mexico and LatAm that offer mainly collaboration like contact center. We do cybersecurity, also networking data center and wireless solution, and our main brand is Cisco.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveFantastic. So who are your target customers that you're supporting?
Irvin Valencia Rivera
attendeeOur target customers include organizations in retail, manufacturing, hospitality and finance sector. And the key differentiator between us and our competitors is that we speak the language of the business. We don't talk about bits and bites, hardware, software. We talk about sales growth, operational efficiency and maximize revenue of our customers.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveAnd that is a really key trend. That's been happening over the last maybe 5 to 7 years that you're no longer talking to the IT suite. You're talking to the line of business leaders.
Irvin Valencia Rivera
attendeeYes. Ingram Micro help us by providing a single platform provision and review all plans through this integration or Cisco deals and discount flow directly immediately into Xvantage is amazing tool, allowing us to respond much faster to our customers.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveFantastic. Okay. So Gordon, let's switch over to you. Paul mentioned earlier about how customers are also acting as vendors. And I think Viadex is a really good example of that.
Gordon Scobie
attendeeYes. Yes. So I'm Gordon Scobie, VP of Technology at Viadex. And as Jen mentioned, our business is split into 2 different areas, one is around logistics and the other is around managed services. But we've also been able to create 2 new cloud practices with AWS, GCP and actually OCI using Ingram, which we couldn't have done before. So one of the unique areas that the Viadex can provide us, we can deploy any form of hardware, any country in the world, looking after import export of vehicles complete in all local in-country administrative tasks. And this is one of our major super powers at Viadex.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveFantastic. And what is Ingram Micro doing to partner with Viadex and how are we helping you?
Gordon Scobie
attendeeYes. So there's a few areas. One of the main areas is around Viadex uses Ingram to distribute for our global dispersed customers. So one of the things at Viadex is we only deal usually with customers who operate in more than one country. How we leverage that is through your sales at Ingram, which helps us to scale across all these different countries. The other is around an AWS and GCP practice. So 14 months ago, we went on a journey to set up the AWS practice. And by using Ingram, we have basically escalated that process from being a partner within the first 14 months. The way we've built it usually take 3 years, but we've managed to condense a certainly 14-month because effectively, the Ingram-AWS teams is an extension of my teams. So it's great for us to scale. And also in terms of the GCP side, what's happened with GCP, we are already providing the managed services from an AWS point of view. So some of our customers also use GCP. So within the last 3 weeks, we have managed to create a GCP practice within a week, which we couldn't do without Ingram. So that's -- it's been huge for Viadex to be able to lean on that specialty that Ingram has. And the final area that -- where Ingram is bringing value. So we have created an AI SaaS solution that focuses on migrations from data centers and AWS. So based on AWS Bedrock, we have worked in collaboration with Ingram's AWS team to effectively create this SaaS solution, which can condense a [ mig ] assess or a migration assessment from 6 weeks to roughly 6 seconds. So this is something that has been very beneficial for both Ingram and Viadex.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveOkay. That speed matters in real life, right there, for sure. Thanks, Gordon. So Chuong, Fuse is an exciting company. Tell us a little bit about it and why you partner with Ingram?
Chuong Mai-Viet
attendeeYes. So Fuse, we're a managed service provider based out of Australia, but we now have operations in Vancouver, London, Ho Chi Minh City. We're a little bit different to all the other guys. We're a services business and then we wrap kind of software hardware around it. And we take care of small, medium business. So what we found after COVID is every business in the world is now a global business. And there was -- we were finding that our clients would be traveling the world, wanting the same level of support in London, in North America as they would in Sydney, Australia. And so that's where we kind of grew our business. And because of the -- Ingram kind of global scale, we managed to kind of scale up very quickly globally. As a phone call to Ingram saying we're opening up in Vancouver. Within a few days, we had an account set up. Within a few days after that, we had some line of credit and we were transacting. And we've turned that kind of Canadian business into 0 to a couple of million dollars of revenue in less than 12 months. So it was great. And one of the things about Ingram as a whole is whilst they're a global business, a lot of the other distributors, kind of the regions are quite separate. Whereas with Ingram, we find it, no matter who we talk to in the world, the leadership team kind of our global leadership team, it's quite unique in the world of distributors. And that's what we found as well being an MSP. There's a lot of global MSPs, but they all operate very separately. And our clients didn't like that. They wanted to know that they picked up the phone in Australia, they get the same level of support as picking up the phone in Canada. So that's kind of made us a little bit different.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveExcellent. So also, I'd call you a power user of Xvantage. Can you talk a little bit about the benefits that you...
Chuong Mai-Viet
attendeeYes, yes. Look, we kind of went all in with integration and platforms. So one of the challenges of the small medium business is scaling quickly, finding staff. And so we -- a few years ago, we decided to go harder into selling services. Whilst we're services led, we wanted to sell more product. And one of the things Xvantage allowed us to do is grow our kind of hardware, software business by -- exponentially, basically. But because of the power of automation, because of the integrations into the platform, we're able to do that without adding staff, which has just been [ phenomenal ] for us. Hardware transactions, API integrations into MCP. I used an example this morning. We had a client who placed an order with Dell a few months ago. No ETA. Next thing you know, they're like we can't find any RAM sticks. I literally cut and paste the config into our AI chat tool, which had MCP integration into Xvantage. And within 30 seconds, he came back and said, here's the option from the other vendor, here's 3 options. This is what's in stock. This is not what's in stock, and it came back with standard by price. All -- like in the past, you would have had to have gone back to Ingram, they would have had to have gone to the vendor, worked out the config, all of those things, like the power of it is phenomenal now. So just like I find that those things give my team superhuman powers. It makes us able to compete with the big boys. Where in the past, it would have mean hard -- it would mean literally me on my own trying to figure it out. Now I've got some AI tools that help me. So yes, that's been great, and the manual processes that we've been able to replace with automation is just phenomenal.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveThat's great. Superhuman powers, that's intelligence and action right there living. And you guys are managing a lot of seats?
Chuong Mai-Viet
attendeeYes. So we're in SMB. We manage about 5,500 seats. So you can imagine in small business as low as staff churn, just being able to turn on and off licenses through automation every month, the billing reconciliation for that. Some companies will churn 20% to 30% of their staff every year. And that means turning on licenses, turning off-licenses, onboarding, offboarding. So we've built the integrations that allow us to do all of that work. But even better, it means that on the 1st of the month, I press a button, and we do our bill run. And we capture all the ads move changes because cash flow is the biggest challenge of the small business. And so when you get the billing wrong, it means the clients don't pay their bills on time, which then has a knock-on effect. So the more you can do to automate that process, the better.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveAbsolutely. And time is money too, especially with the services business. So Gordon, Viadex is also working with us with -- through Xvantage. Can you talk a little bit about what you guys are seeing?
Gordon Scobie
attendeeYes. So very similar use case to yourself with regards to -- especially from the logistics point of view, where we are looking at different hardware, different pricing. We have also adopted the MCP side as well, which allows the sellers to get quotes spreads out much, much faster than what they had done before. One of the other areas is around provisioning AWS and GCP accounts. As I mentioned earlier on, it took us a week to set a practice from scratch. But by using Xvantage in terms of the new accounts and the projects, Xvantage simulates that process. You're talking 2, 3, 4 days much quicker than what you could do when you were doing it manually. The other area is on the logistics. So the logistics side of the business, they are -- heavily rely on Xvantage, which goes back to the same point around where we can now automate a lot of the pricing coming back to the MCP servers.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveYes. And what we were talking about earlier, too, is you're able to put everything on to the same invoices, the same quotes, same orders, right, which is...
Gordon Scobie
attendeeThere's also another area that we're working with Xvantage on just now, which is beneficial, is around the 24/7 AWS support. So my teams have been exploring with Ingram, how we can get that up and running instead of me setting up an AWS support team. We are leveraging Ingram for that through Xvantage.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveGreat. That's outstanding. So Irvin, with GBN, you really see us as a business partner of yours. Could you tell us more about that and how that works?
Irvin Valencia Rivera
attendeeYes, of course. We treat Ingram Micro as extension of our business for resources and expertise. We use training and certification for our consultant team. And we also work with Ingram in presales support for complex design for integrations. And so we use the financial options for Ingram for -- to try to get bigger projects for our customers. And we also do a proof of concept when the projects are really difficult. And we also support Ingram Micro as a service provider to extend their business and support other SMB customers in this calendar Cisco solutions.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveOkay. So GBN is also a customer, also serving as a vendor with us.
Irvin Valencia Rivera
attendeeExactly. We're working in that a couple of years.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveFantastic. So Chuong, you mentioned that Ingram is partnering with you on intelligence. And you're doing some pretty interesting things with that. Can you give us some more color?
Chuong Mai-Viet
attendeeYes. Look, we -- I talked about the integration of the MCP platforms. But what we're finding is that in the past, as an MSP, you buy a lot of stuff off the shelf. And you'd use maybe 10% or 20% of those features. What we're finding now is our clients want -- they want to see the value of what we do. So traditionally, we used to fixed computers. We used to go out on site, plug things in, get them working again. That world is kind of changing. Now what they don't see is the 10,000 tickets of security that we do a month. And so what we've had to do is build platforms that show our clients value in a different way. And the great thing about working with Ingram and their platforms is that we now can build a client dashboard that shows our clients all of their licensing spend, all of the work that we do with them from a ticketing perspective, all the security that we stop. But also, they can see the back orders. They can see the laptops that they have in their fleet that are out of warranty and then we can kind of say to them, right, here's what it's going to cost, and this is what's in stock. And we can all service that through a platform that we've built. And I don't know -- but actually, I think everyone in this room knows that kind of from this year onwards, like the ability to write your own code and build things out at scale has moved exponentially quickly. And I basically have 2 full-time people doing AI and automation within our business. And I think they're doing the work of the team of 20 in the past. And we're bringing things to market now that we could never before. And it's only with the help of partners like Ingram where we can have a single pane of glass, wherever it is in the world for our clients. And that data is super important for us.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveYes. And that's a great example of what Sanjib was talking about is intelligence coming into outcomes that you're able to deliver to your customers, which is exciting. So Greg, back to you. Can you give us a sense for the scale of Pellera, just to give us some more context about what you're managing on a day-to-day basis?
Greg Berard
attendeeSure. Yes. So as I mentioned earlier, we're $5 billion in revenue. We have over [ 25,000 ] employees. But from a partnership perspective, we have over 1,000 partners in our ecosystem. So on a daily basis, we're interacting with a lot of OEMs. And this is an area that we leverage Ingram for as well, right, making sure we have the right relationships and the right partnerships with each other. But each of our practice leaders is looking at this every year, right? Do we have the right partnerships in place? Are we investing in the right areas? Are we doubling down with the right strategic partners? So understanding from Ingram, what are they seeing in the marketplace? What are the emerging trends that they're looking at? Where are they making investments? So our ability to leverage you guys for that is important to our business so that we can make sure we're doubling down and investing in the right strategic areas. As I look back 3 years ago, I wouldn't have been up here talking about NVIDIA, I wouldn't have been up here talking about Databricks, right? But now we've invested in these partnerships and we're growing our Snowflake business. We're growing our NVIDIA partnership, right? So all of those things are important. And as the market continues to evolve even faster, it's more important for us to understand what's out there and leverage you guys to help us do that.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveExcellent. And how does that help -- how do our programs and services help to round out that for you?
Greg Berard
attendeeYes. So there's a couple of things, right? Number one, enablement and working with your thought leaders and our thought leaders to make sure that we're enabling our sellers. We're enabling our clients so they understand the technologies that are out there. We touched on earlier, just understanding the supply chain and the inventory. And then more and more now is really structuring deals that make sense for our clients and giving them a way to procure the technology in a way that makes sense for them, in a way that we can handle it as well. And I touched on it earlier, but we're doing large, large transactions, and we couldn't do that without Ingram, and we couldn't do it without the creativity that comes to bear as we're structuring these large transactions.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveYes. And so you've heard from many of them about our financial programs and Eric Tapia is going to talk about that a bit later on what we're doing with that. It's exciting. So what are you seeing in terms of AI? And how are you supporting your customers around it?
Greg Berard
attendeeYes. So there's a couple of areas. We talk about the Pellera AI platform, and it comes down into 3 different buckets. The first one is what we call AI factory and high-performance compute clusters. And this is where we're driving very large end-to-end compute networking and storage transactions with our customers. And these are typically hundreds of millions of dollars, and we're working with Ingram. We're working with HP, Dell, NVIDIA, VAST, all of the major compute and storage platforms that are out there. And we're helping our customers understand their use cases from a data perspective and then making sure they have enough compute power, making sure they not have enough bandwidth from a networking perspective and then the storage capacity to handle these. These are large financial services use cases, large health care use cases, working with customers to drive cancer research and other things. So really just taking the business to the next level from an infrastructure perspective. The second piece is around AI as a feature, right? Every OEM out there is building newer and newer capabilities on a monthly and quarterly basis. So how do we make sure our customers understand what they own today and how can they leverage that to drive the business outcomes they have. And then the third leg of the stool that we talk about is AI as a solution, right? And this is where we're doing design thinking workshops with our customers to understand what's most important to their business, what's going to give them the best ROI. And then we're working with them to build a road map, helping them build the technology, helping them implement the solutions and then manage it over time. So if we can continue to work together and drive those 3 pieces, that's going to help. Our customers see more value from AI technologies and help us all continue to drive value would be a growth lever in our business.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveThat's great. I mean you guys are being a consultant with your AIM approach and with design thinking and all of that in addition to a technology expert. So that's tough to manage both. So Gordon, you guys also have some unique AI offerings. Can you touch upon those?
Gordon Scobie
attendeeYes. So based on some of the use cases we've had with our customers over the last over 12 months. We created a service called Altiora, which basically is an AWS AI solution built on Bedrock, which effectively can take a customer who was looking to do a migration into AWS instead of taking this [ 4 to 6 ] weeks, we can now speed that whole process up to, as I said earlier on, 6 seconds. So we couldn't have done that without the feedback from Ingram because the volume that Ingram are putting through from migration assessments, we are basically looking at that process, look at our customers' process, and that's how we have managed to adopt AI technologies to condense that whole period to save resources, efficiency, accuracy all within one solution. So that's running already within AWS through the marketplace and AWS have signed us off as one of their map assessment tools of choice, which is a good position to be in. And then the other market where we created AI solution is around -- we have a SaaS solution that's called [ Turbo 360 ], which effectively is a cloud management platform that plugs into AWS, Azure, GCP, Databricks and Kubernetes. But one of the features that we were getting feedback from our customers was they're adopting AI all the time, but they don't know what they're consuming and what that cost us. So effectively, we have built plug-ins to Anthropic, OpenAI, Gemini, and we've included it as part of [ Turbo 360 ], so we can monetize an individual cost to track an individual user's consumption of tokenization, and that's across all the different LLMs. So not only do you get your hyperscaler cost, you also get your LLM costs as well, which is...
Jennifer Anaya
executiveThat's really good.
Unknown Executive
executiveA year ago, you probably couldn't have done that.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveYes. And when earlier, Sanjib mentioned collaborating intelligence, I think that was an excellent example of how we're doing that together as well as that route to market through hyperscalers. We're making it possible for those SMBs to get those services, and we're working together on that. Yes. Excellent. So Irvin, with GBN, you guys have a specialty business that you mentioned. Can you -- what are you doing with AI? And can you talk a little bit about that?
Unknown Executive
executiveYes, of course. Most of our projects is about contact center include AI solutions. AI agents and AI solution for humans that help to manage better the conversation with their customers. We have customers in different verticals like -- sorry, like hospitality. You can make a reservation without talking with a human and with informal language, taking advance about all the information they have, like room types, destinations, prices, restaurants, et cetera. And last year, we were in Cisco Partner Summit and we received an award to be the best collaboration partner in Mexico above mid-market clients.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveThat's great. And you guys have built this specialty over a number of years.
Unknown Executive
executiveI think we have a special team making only contact center, about another team doing the rest of technology.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveThat's exciting. So Tong, back to you. How are you integrating AI into the services that you're providing?
Unknown Executive
executiveYes. Look, I think this was a big challenge for everyone in managed services over the last few years. It's like how do we monetize AI. And what we've realized is a lot of our clients were building great little tools, little time savers within their business, but they were building it on OpenAI, Claude, they are hosting it on Lovable. And I think we got an example of one of the tools one of our clients built one day and my CTO is like, we're not logging into this application, and it's on the Internet. So basically, anyone can use it. And like what do you mean? We're like, well, I'm on my laptop right now, and I can access your information without any authentication at all. So from that, we launched what we call [ Fabric 365 AI ]. So it's hosted on Azure. We spin it up within Ingram's Xvantage platform. We build it securely for our clients. We put all of their tools in there. And Microsoft had their foundry product, which is great for kind of mid-market and enterprise. There was nothing new in that kind of SMB space. So what we basically said to our clients is we're going to build you a tool set, the data is yours. So a lot of people had staff building AI platforms and no source code. So we went, right, let's build this properly. So we built a managed service product around that. And then basically, it allows most of our clients who are building tools for five staff or less to do it themselves. And then anything bigger than that, that's when our team step in. We've got our own development team in Vietnam. So one of the big challenges now is once you get to a certain size, you have to kind of build some scale around your software dev, but then finding people is hard. So Vietnam is a great place for us to invest in. And so now that's allowing our clients to kind of build out platforms, get them to a certain size and then say to us, can you take it to the next step, please? And that's where we step in. And then we build a managed service around that to maintain it and manage it for our clients, all hosted within Microsoft Azure with the help of Ingram. That's kind of -- it's been a very little kind of starting point for us. And just having the Ingram team understand what we're trying to build talk to people at Microsoft on our behalf, get us out in front of the right people, give us kind of upskilling where we didn't have those skills in the past. That's where partnerships work for us.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveFantastic. Well, hopefully, what you all have been able to see is some of the complexity that Paul talked about earlier with -- there's at least six different products going on a quote and an order. You heard that today. Cybersecurity is also a really important part of the mix, especially with AI and financing and the resources and the extension. So we really appreciate your time today, gentlemen. Thank you for being here. And really thank you for your commitment and your partnership with Ingram Micro, from Australia, to Mexico, to U.K. and here in the States. Thanks for joining us, and we really appreciate it.
Unknown Executive
executiveThank you. All right.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveAll right. We're going to -- thanks, guys. We're going to do a quick switch here and ask that our regional presidents come up here and join me on stage, literally in the hot seat as these lights are getting in -- all right, energy. Okay. So we're going to switch gears here, and we're -- you got to hear a little bit from our customers and with their point of view. And really, we did this on purpose to give context to what is a day in a life that they have like? What are they dealing with? What are some of the things they're solving for, how do their businesses need to operate and so forth. So now we're going to talk a little bit about behind the scenes and the work that Ingram Micro is doing to do that. So to start off, we're going to hit what we're doing with the platform. Sanjib, of course, talked a lot about our intelligent operating system. He called you out, Bill, and said, Bill is going to talk later about what's happening in North America because it is one of our more sophisticated regions in terms of really adopting and using that. So Bill us how are your teams working differently now than a year ago?
Unknown Executive
executiveNo. Thank you, Jen. And yes, you did call me out. Thanks, Sanjib. The reality is I've been doing this for 29 years, and I would have to say the difference, what I've seen over this year from years previous is just our ability to be far more proactive. Historically, we had partners calling us, bringing us opportunities. We'd work with them through to the end, and then we would create a solution and they would deliver it. And that was really the typical flow of how the business works. Leveraging the intelligence of the platform, we are now able to look inside the opportunities that we are working on, and we're able to see additional products and services that would be applicable to that solution. Leveraging that intelligence and pulling that all together, we're able to put together a much more valuable quote for partners to prepare and send to their end users. The other thing with the platform is because both of -- our entire team is on the platform, you have the vendor and category specialist teams who really understand the nuances of each of the vendors and all of their programs and their products, and they're working hand-in-hand with our sales generalists. Now the generalist team that owns a relationship, because they're all on the platform, they're building this bill of material together, and they're adding all the necessary components. So the quality of what we are able to produce is far greater than it was before. And then you heard about speed. When you can send an e-mail and request a quote that can immediately be converted to an order, bypassing all of that handholding that used to have to happen between all of the vendor teams and the different OEMs, you're now within seconds, able to create an order or an opportunity for a client. And so when you think about MCP, and you heard right from our partners, how they're leveraging that in their exploratory stage and as they're crafting opportunities, we're moving these things through the system much faster than ever before. So really, if I were to summarize it all, it's that proactive demand generation we're able to provide. It's really the better quality through the collaboration of our teams and then the speed to market.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveOutstanding. So Luis, Building on this point of intelligence and scale, you've done a lot of standardization across the LatAm region, specifically with our platform operating model. Can you talk a little bit about what you're doing there?
Unknown Executive
executiveAbsolutely, Jen. Good afternoon, everyone. So yes, one of our priorities in the region in LatAm is how do we standardize our operations and take advantage of all these best practices that we have developed through the world and obviously, using our platform operating model, but always putting Xvantage at the center, [indiscernible] always the driver is our platform. So this has gave us a common way on how we operate throughout the region. So we devote much more less time to transactions today than what we used to do before. And that allows us to spend more time with our customers while the platform help us doing and expediting all our operations. So we are moving from a fragmented local operations to a unified way of doing the business through our region. And actually, one proof point that we got out of this is last month, we decided in one of our branches to move all the back-office operation to our PBO, to our platform business operation team. And we rely all the go-to-market team to go with the customers. And the results were fantastic. The results were fantastic, but was one of the best months of sales that we got because the interaction from our sales team with the customer was so good that we were able to gain additional business. So basically, our platform operating model together with vantage is transforming our operation from a collection of local operations into a globally standardized platform-powered growth engine.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveFantastic. And that's something we're using universally across all the regions.
Unknown Executive
executiveAbsolutely.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveOkay. Let's switch gears and talk a little bit about services and our life cycle services business. So Matt, with growth on our topic here, EMEA has invested a lot in professional services. Can you tell us a little bit more about the services that we're providing and how the partners are using those?
Unknown Executive
executiveSure. Thanks. Yes. Professional services has been a key focus for the region of EMEA across the rest of the business for a long time. And we've had great local capability, really good local capability. But what we wanted to do is widen that capability, leverage what we've got today in other parts of the region where we may not have that. Equally, we want to be able to have consistency in our deployment. That's been crucial. So all the markets that we sort of go into today with services, be it infrastructure, data, AI, cybersecurity, we do that all in-house. We're not outsourcing anything. So we've got fantastic capability now that we can leverage from the center of excellence. And what that's giving our partners is a very, very low cost of entry into a high-margin area. And they're able to leverage and utilize our highly certified multilingual team of architects, consultants, engineers who pretty much go across all services. We go from initial consultation all the way through to managed support. And one of the biggest areas that the partners are leveraging from us today is around workload migration. We've heard that mentioned a couple of times already today. And we're giving our partners access to critical components such as program funding that they may not get. Obviously, the capabilities of our teams, be that technical, engineering support, being able to resell our services and then getting ongoing support as well. So we're really a critical partner to them in many different aspects. What that's creating for us is a repeatable and scalable services growth engine that's creating demand, transformational outcomes and also recurring growth, recurring revenue for our partners as well as ourselves. And for us, the depth and breadth of our services portfolio that Paul touched on earlier on is wide, and we cover some of the services for products for vendors we may not be selling the hardware on. So it's a real deep engagement we've got around that services business. And again, it's not just reactive as well. We're proactive in the way that we look at services. We're not sitting there waiting for a quote to come in, we're being proactive. And I'll give an example in the cybersecurity market where we've got a tool called [ iSIGHT ]. And what that tool is doing, it's assessing publicly available data to look for security vulnerabilities in customer networks. When we're finding those, we're going back to the partner, providing the partner with a solution to engage back with the customer. So we are really creating that demand. And what we're doing, we're turning that cyber risk into pipeline and into opportunities and allowing our partners to really forge deeper relationships with their end customer.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveGreat. And I think really key about that is that repeatable, scalable services because when you heard the partners earlier talk about we're an extension of their business. We're providing that as an ongoing something they can depend on and help to make their profitability better and our services are more profitable because they're repeatable in.
Unknown Executive
executiveAbsolutely.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveFantastic. So Luis, you have a pretty sophisticated pre- and post-sales center of excellence. Can you touch on that?
Unknown Executive
executiveAbsolutely, Jen. And actually, as you said, we have become part of our partners' infrastructure, right? So they see us as that as Serving was mentioning on the previous panel. So when you think the necessity of our customers to have much more technical capabilities, together with the opportunity that we saw in the advanced solutions market, in the advanced solutions space together with cloud. So it's a very good combination, our value proposition. So what we did is that we took all our technical capabilities that we have through the region and we concentrated in our center of excellence. So that gave us the opportunity or the ability to shift from presales to a much more shared regional model. So now we pull all our specialists and we deploy them where the opportunities are, where the markets -- the real needs from the markets are. So this reduces the duplication and supports much more opportunities with the same resources. So we are becoming much more productive and effective on that. So we got our center of excellence is divided by technology. So we got specialists for cloud, for cyber, for modern infrastructure and for networking. So we have a very good stack, I would say, of certifications together in the center of excellence. And when you link that to Xvantage, here is where the beauty comes in. When you have that platform that is driving you the operation, and you are able to put those opportunities into the platform, you can track them from the request all the way to the delivery or the outcome that we are expecting. And together with that, we get a lot of metrics or KPIs that we can measure, right? We can measure how is the attach rate that we are doing in the offerings that we are putting together to that, what is the conversation and what is the utilization and mainly and most important, our customer satisfaction. So we are able to basically track everything that we do on the platform. So our center of excellence turns expertise into partner enablement, services growth and hyperscaler expansion.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveAnd it's fantastic and key because those certifications can be a very expensive process for our customers to have. So to be able to tap into the expertise and the certifications we have is really key for them. And you even heard that from [ Jay Miley ] earlier saying, sometimes the market isn't mature enough for them to invest. And so we're providing that ramp into growth for them. Excellent. So Bill, can you touch upon because we are doing some life cycle services, specifically in North America around [ iSIGHT ]. Can you talk to us a little bit about that?
Unknown Executive
executiveAbsolutely. And that's an area that we have been investing in because we see more and more partners leaning in, looking for those value-added services. So when you think about it today, you have a lot of customers that are walking into end-user environments, and they're tripping over old technology or they find it stuffed in a closet somewhere. So really not knowing what to do with it, giving our partners the opportunity to be able to take that product back, provide any possible value that's left on that towards the solution they're presenting and then dispose of it ethically, compliantly and in an eco-friendly way, really gives them a value to their customer that's super sticky. Also, what I would say is we now are able to take that technology back, refresh it, resell it if it's still got value left in its journey or just dispose of it properly and make sure that it's done right. The second piece that we've noticed with this [ iSIGHT ] focus is when you have a market like we're in today with the a little uncertainty around the supply chain, around products, we're able to harvest some of the products out of that old technology. leveraging in the new solutions we're delivering today to keep that momentum and that business flowing. So we're finding it to be a very valuable area to be invested in, and I know our partners are looking for more and more services to attach. This is a key one for them, and we're going to continue to expand this across the globe.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveSo it's not only life cycle services, part of that circular economy.
Unknown Executive
executive100%. You heard Paul mention it in Sanjib earlier.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveOkay. All right. We're going to talk about our 2 favorite letters that would be A and I, if anyone was wondering. what we're doing around AI adoption. So Diego, you're doing some exciting things in our APAC region by hosting some AI-focused sessions with hyperscalers and partners, even with government specialists. And what are you hearing? And how are those turning in conversations really turning into growth?
Unknown Executive
executiveYes. What I would say is -- thank you for the question, and good afternoon, everyone. Like 3 or 4 years ago, when I would have a customer meeting, everyone would ask me, okay, what is AI? How AI is going to help my business or even change my life. Fast forward to today, in Asia Pacific, primarily, the vast majority of the cadence around AI applications, they are coming from Asia Pacific. So in reality, it's not more -- the region is not in a discovery phase. They are more in an implementation phase, right? And with that comes some challenges and different needs by customer segments. For example, we spoke about hyperscalers. Hyperscalers, they need our reach to mid-market and long tail, and we can offer that. We have programs with Microsoft, Google, AWS, where we have specific programs, as [ Omar ] mentioned, to help them to really reach that segment of the market. We have Neo clouds, and that's where they need speed, financial services, our supply chain services. And then you have -- we had a customer panel earlier, a couple of MSPs, AI vendors where all what we're doing around AI, our platform, the way we are being able to provision services, the way we're being to build services and hardware in one single pane of glass that's really adding a lot of value and really shows the strength of our model, right, and reach. So -- and then you have this other big customer, which is called government and the concept of sovereign AI. And sovereign AI from being the seventh priority in terms of investments in a very short period of time, it became the second. So we see a lot of -- and we are participating in projects, okay, with governments around AI deployment, okay? And what governments need is that trusted ecosystem that really can rely on reputable vendors, reputable partners, reputable go-to-market partners like us. So -- and then Luis mentioned around our centers of excellence and how -- what are the initiatives we do with our partners and vendors. We have one in Singapore, we're being able to show to partners and even in customers success cases that can be, I would say, replicatable. And at the same time, we have done many events where we introduced the new AI technologies and AI is not only GPUs, there is a cybersecurity layer, observability layer, compute, storage to partners and also end customers. So I think what we are -- and again, shows the power of our reach and trend is we are helping our partner ecosystem to transform opportunities into revenue generation for them.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveExcellent. And Luis, I know that we've also got a different value proposition with our hyperscalers. Can you talk about how some acquisitions have helped us become more strategic go-to-market partner?
Unknown Executive
executiveAbsolutely. So what we know from the hyperscalers is that they are very good at attending the enterprise market. So they rely on us to develop, as Jonas mentioned also, the SMB and the mid-market segment. So there's where they rely on us to go do that job for them. So some years ago, we acquired in Brazil, VR Link. So VR Link, it's a premier partner for AWS. So they are very well specialized on the AWS technology. They have over 180 technicians, and they have done over 1,000 migrations actually in the period. So what we do with them, we learn from them how they were attending those -- that segment, and we work with the channel also to develop those capabilities or to show the -- our partners how to develop those capabilities that at the end, they can fulfill by themselves. But meanwhile, we work together with them, supporting them behind them on all the technical piece, including all the deployment and implementation to support them. But always, what we make sure is that they always maintain their relationship with their own customers. So one of -- also we have done 22 funded assessments that with AWS, as you know that we get funding every time we do an assessment, and we use that funding to pay the migration, so that will not have any impact for the partner or for the end user. And that is working very, very well. Also, we extend that expertise from Brazil to other countries. So they work together with our Mexico team to build a hybrid solution that end up saving 30% for one of their end users by moving CapEx to OpEx. So that is the collaboration that we see out of that team with all the expertise that they have. So our other regions or other countries can take advantage of all that. So we do not just extend hyperscaler reach into the long tail. We make the long tail capable of selling cloud and AI with us behind.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveThat's fantastic. And that is really key because enablement for these partners to be able to do more is important. And you heard from Diego, too, we're fully integrating not just in the training part, but actually integrating and how we're handling the service delivery with that. Yes. So diving into APAC a little bit more. Diego, you often describe it as it's where established technology hubs meet the world's fastest-growing digital economy. So tell us what you mean by that.
Unknown Executive
executiveYes. I think APAC is a very diversified region, okay? We are seeing really good growth there. In Q2, we reported 28% growth coming from a really strong Q1 at 13.5%. And we have India, which is a great marketplace where we've been for more than 3 decades in that market. It's one of our top three markets globally. And we believe that soon will become our second largest one. So what we see in that region is you have four different regions into one, okay, China, India, Southeast Asia, Australia and New Zealand. We see really good progress there. Going back to India, okay, and also some of the topics that Sanjib touched on our intelligence layer, the size of the business, how we are using technology and our platform. So just to give you an example, 80% of our [ IDA ] calls, which is intelligent digital assist calls in India, it's all the calls that our teams are doing and really interacting with our customers. Our mobile solution that we have, India is a mobile-first country. I can tell you that a lot of transactions and a lot of engagement with partners and interactions come from our mobile application. So I think it's a great marketplace. We see growth not only in India, but also across the other countries. Our SMB and long tail is really outpacing our overall growth. So that's great, and it ties to what we are intending to do in platform-led and platform fed and how our customers are relying on us. And then that's what I would say is we continue to see really good growth there. We are doubling down our investments. And we are gaining -- we're growing faster than the market. And I think that will continue. We have a really capable team, okay? Paul mentioned that we are the best team in the country, in the region in the world, okay? For me, I can say we have the best team in my region.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveSo you're not biased for anything.
Unknown Executive
executiveNo.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveThat stat of the 80% [ IDA ] calls is really important because when you saw on Sanjib's presentation and he showed the my sales insights, you're calling the right customer for the right thing, right? And so it's very targeted, and it's helping us produce and connect those results and those outcomes really quickly.
Unknown Executive
executiveYes. And the use of the intelligence and the signals, okay, how we're being more accurate at how we run our business in a super highly diversified and fragmented region, it can make your -- it's a life and day difference for sure.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveAbsolutely. So that brings us to the topic of scale. And let's talk a little bit about what we're doing with SMBs. We've talked a lot about it being the fastest-growing segment for us. And LatAm is one of our most strategic SMB growth opportunities. So how is Xvantage helping you scale that business in SMB?
Unknown Executive
executiveWell, as we have been discussing, SMB, I think, is one of the largest opportunities, not only in LatAm, but in the world. So what we have done is we have been mixing our platform operating model together with Xvantage in order to make the work much more simple for our associates, for our customers and for our vendors. That allows us, obviously, the opportunity to go and have much more strength relationship with our customers because they have -- our sales team has much more time to do now. So what we're building is basically a one digital experience for all the process. where they discover the opportunity where we help our customers to discover the opportunity with all the data that we have, with all the statistics that we have, our customers now are able to discover those opportunities that could represent a good business for them. And then they can follow again. They can price the opportunity, they can make a quotation, they can order and they can follow up all the process until that opportunity is fulfilled or delivered to the customer. So we are focused on making the life easier also for the whole chain. So today, for our SMB partners, it's much more easy for them to buy from us. They get relevant, much more relevant offers, very directed offers based on the opportunities or the markets that they are serving. And we are seeing very good impact in all the efficiencies by like onboarding the customers has become much more easier to get a quotation. And as I mentioned, the full process. One example is that we got a customer in Mexico, which is [ Compositeemas ]. So they are connected to us 24/7. They are obviously an e-commerce company. So what they do is that they get much more faster answers to all their requests. Now before, they used to send e-mails and they used to wait until we respond for quotation for pricing or so. So today, it's a very, very easy way for them to get all these opportunities. So we are making it easier for our customers to do business with us while preparing the channel ecosystem for the AI area. We leave them some time to think on the strategy while we take care of all the operations.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveAbsolutely. And the other thing you saw on this topic earlier was the mobile app and you saw pushing these opportunities also through the mobile app. As a marketer, I really like that push strategy. So that complements what we're talking about here, too. So Bill, we're doing some really exciting things in Canada, shout out to our Canadian team. And they made a lot of progress, especially with SMB. Can you tell us a little bit more about what they're doing?
Unknown Executive
executiveAbsolutely. As I mentioned earlier, we're showing up different, and that is especially impactful for SMBs, right? They're oftentimes looking to us for guidance, where are the opportunities? Where should I be placing bets and making investments in the future? Our ability to be able to leverage the intelligence of the operating model to deliver them exactly where they should be focusing their attention has been a key value in Canada and across North America and the world as you're hearing, which I would argue maybe there's a really big opportunity for SMB in Canada since Canada has a super large SMB community.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveYou guys aren't competitive at all. No?
Unknown Executive
executiveI just -- I think there's a real good opportunity there. And the platform is really helping them identify those opportunities. A lot of our [ MSPs ], especially in our SMB space, are looking for guidance around what solution is the right fit for my end customer? Is it a true on-prem? Is it a cloud only? Is it hybrid? Once we've identified the solution, we can then help them from when they procure it all the way through the implementation and management through all of the services you heard us talk about earlier. So really, it's about providing a faster way of identifying opportunities, helping them create demand and then getting it in the hands of their customers faster, which is a real competitive advantage in the SMB space. The other thing that we're doing in SMB, we talked a lot about SMB, and you heard a little bit about long tail earlier. A recent development with the platform and with the group working in tandem with [ Makun ] and his team around the data intelligence is we are now developing agents. And those agents are targeting the long tail of our customer community. What we're doing is we're able to build those agents to identify the right OEM for the right SMB customer. Once the opportunities develop with a click of a button, send out to thousands of customers. In our earliest beta test of this process, we are seeing faster click-through rates and conversion to order than we've ever seen in our marketing campaigns in the long tail. And that is all done through agentic agents with very little touch or human interaction. However, the good news is we have a very large team in Canada that if those opportunities spark interest and can create more development, those customers have an avenue to come back, and it's the best of leveraging our people, our platform to really deliver a great experience. And what we have seen is really good results in Canada.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveYes. I'm hearing the customers love it because it provides them with a great experience, being proactive.
Unknown Executive
executive100%. And real quick, just to touch on, right? We talked about [ IDA ]. The power of [ IDA ] is the intelligent digital assistant is giving our leadership team the ability to really decide where are they going to focus the energy of the team. Is it on the order size? Is it on margin? Is there a strategic initiative we're driving for our vendor community? So those opportunities to really steer the team and point them in the right direction has been game changing for us.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveGreat. All right, Matt, you're closing this out. Let's talk a little bit about how we're using scale and data and our intelligence just to become a differentiated demand generation partner.
Unknown Executive
executiveOkay. I think lead generation is probably the single biggest thing we've been asked for by our partners today. That's both in the long tail, all the way up through the medium size to the larger customers as well. But it's not just around lead generation. It's more around qualified pipeline, qualified leads. And we're in a great position to see -- do that through our insights. We can see where demand is likely to emerge by leveraging the decades of information, insights that Paul spoke around, Sanjib spoke around earlier on today. So we gain insight into aging technology, refresh cycles and renewals. And what we're trying to do with all that is take all that intelligent data and create insights and through insights create opportunities and take those opportunities to our partners. So we're connecting the opportunity of the end customer with our partners today and really creating demand for them. We're giving them solutions. So we're not just giving them a lead, we're giving them the whole end-to-end solution for that. So turning insight into opportunities is absolutely crucial. And there's two ways we're doing that today. One, what we call greenfield outreach into end customers, where we're profiling and calling on a set of targeted customers, again, not just finding out what the opportunities are, but putting a solution together, taking that back to the partner who then interacts with their end customers. Also, I touched on earlier, [ iSIGHT ], cybersecurity, proactive tool of gain, where we're creating demand. So both of those examples are really creating some value add for our partners and giving them the ability to engage with their customer network. On the vendor side, it's similar. Vendors are always asking us to how can we increase the partner base, how can we reactivate dormant accounts. And we're doing that as well. We set the marketing center of excellence earlier this year that primarily focuses on that demand generation, again, from the vendor perspective. And what we're doing there is going after new customers, but also reactivating dormant customers. And as an example, we just finished a recent campaign for a very large vendor where we had a 30% reactivation rate around dormant customers. So really successful, really driving change. And all these activities, they're creating a powerful growth flywheel. For our partners, we're creating new opportunities and demand. For our vendors, we're creating new partners in new markets. and reactivating dormant accounts. And for Ingram, we're creating a valuable and a differentiated role in the ecosystem at the center of that ecosystem, driving growth for the channel.
Jennifer Anaya
executiveExcellent. Well, thanks to each of you for having some fun here today and sharing some great stories. And now we're going to pass it on so that you can see that growth in action with some numbers and hand this off to Mike Zilis, our CFO.
Michael Zilis
executiveAll right. Thank you very much. One, before I get going, I want to thank everybody who made the trip here in person. We have investors and analysts flying from as far as Denmark to join us today. So really thank you for being here. And as I look back on what we've covered today, we've covered a lot of ground. For those who are here in person, you got to see how we're putting the advanced back in ALCs and really seeing what's coming to life on what is a brick-and-mortar lifeblood of what we do, but really bringing automation in a different way of thinking about that. So thank you to Bill and [ Deepa ] for bringing the team through the ALC today. But then you saw Paul lay out our strategy and how we're transforming and Sanjib really bring it home with the view of what is going on with Xvantage, how is that really driving a difference maker for our business. I'm thrilled you got to hear from some of our customers who are getting to see what -- getting to hear from them what's really driving their business and their needs and how we're partnering together, of course, as part of that. And then great that you could see our regional presidents. These are the guys who drive that ship home every day, day in and day out in our regions and are doing a great job of it. And having sat in those seats in my past, I know that's not an easy task. So now as Jen said, I'm going to try and bring this home and give you a little bit of how this funnels through the numbers. In the spirit of seeing some of our team, I have two of my team, [ Eric Tapia ], who heads our Global Commercial Finance; and [ Adolfo Jimenez ], who's our Global Treasurer, will join me in a little bit to talk about a few areas. I do want to apologize. Sanjib dazzled you with both literally and figuratively with animations. That's outside of the comfort zone of finance people. But we do have, if you watch closely, I think, two, if not N animations in this deck. So all right. So let's jump in. So I would be remiss given we're going to be talking about multiyear plans if I didn't give you a little bit of a picture of how this year looks. So it's been a year of strong growth. It's been a unique year. We've had ASP increases. We've had supply constraints. We've had a conflict in the Middle East that has continued. We have a conflict that seems like it will never end in the Ukraine and Russia, and we've continued to navigate that through that. We are a company who has proven we can navigate through the adversity and the volatility of the market. But this has been a strong -- a year for strong top line growth, probably explained most by growth in cloud. growth in the GPU and AI infrastructure and how we're focusing on that, and I'll talk a little bit more about that as we go through some of the numbers. Certainly, growth in cybersecurity and then, of course, PCs and what we're seeing as far as a PC refresh cycle that has been going on now for 6 going on 7 quarters. We've seen the ASP increases. We've seen outsized growth, high 20% growth in our Asia Pac market as we continue to double down, and we will continue to invest in the Asia Pac market. We've seen growth with large customers, but we've seen growth with SMB as well, which is a more profitable value for us and where we are focusing our business, as Sanjib covered. But it's not all about top line growth. That is important. But as you can see in these numbers, we're also growing gross margin. We will grow gross margin faster than top line this year and our gross profit, I should say. And I think that's an important factor, and that is layering in a lot of these GPU and AI deals. We've talked about those. They are very large ticket deals. They are low margin, but they are very low cost to serve, extremely working capital efficient, and it's driving an ROIC uptick that you can see in these numbers as well. And working capital investment is about discipline, but we are a countercyclical business. We have to invest into working capital to drive the outcomes that you're seeing through our P&L and ultimately, the returns of the balance sheet. But we're doing that efficiently, and we'll cover on some of those numbers as how we see free cash flow playing out. But just a few things on the half, two specifics before I move on. So one, as we said in our release this morning, we are expecting our Q3 to land at or possibly even better than the upper end of our guidance. We're sitting here 2 weeks, less than 2 weeks before the end of our quarter. That's how we see it right now. But we've talked about lumpiness of some of these AI and GPU deals. There can be a lot of that close in the last quarter. So that's going to be probably the variable as to how far we may come in at that top end or even above it. But that implies in these numbers actually a pretty strong Q4 as well as far as where we land this shift for the year. So I'm really proud of how we've executed. One thing to note, and I will reference this again later, we do have a 53rd week in our fiscal year. That only happens every 4 or 5 years depending on leap year timings. But that is an important factor because it plays into some of the baselines of growth going forward. So let's talk about how we see our results. See there's an animation, hold your applause for later. But -- so if you look at the last 3 years, this is a little bit more moderated sales growth. Because remember, back in 2024, we thought the PC refresh was coming. It didn't. It started in '25. We saw a networking compare that was very challenging because we had networking constraints back in '23, even end of '22. A lot of that was fulfilled in '23 and created that compare issue. So we actually were roughly flat from a revenue perspective in '24. And then we've grown or inclusive of our forecast that I just shared with you, we will have grown to double digits in both of the most recent 2 years. But gross profit has lagged net sales, as you can see here. We've seen over that period of time, while it's shifted a little bit more this year, we saw outsized growth in large customers where we don't add the same value we do in the long tail of SMB. We saw PCs, which tend to be a lower-margin fulfillment business really growing strong double digits every quarter since the beginning of last year. We saw GPU and AI infrastructure deals. I just talked about that, lower margin, but very efficient. Even the outsized growth in our Asia Pac region drives a margin factor. The region's gross margin is in the mid-4s to upper 4%. That is dilutive on the whole. But as you saw in our Q2 announcements, our Asia Pac region was the most profitable region in the company from an operating income dollars perspective and the second most from an operating margin perspective. So there's a heavy efficiency there as well, which is why, again, we're doubling down and growing in that region. But again, you see stronger growth on the net income. because we're bringing the efficiencies to the system, and I'll touch on that shortly. And we're bringing an ROIC that is well above our weighted average cost of capital, and we continue to drive efficiency there as well. So when you look on the right side of the slide, you see our '27 to '29 projections. These are the numbers that were in our release this morning. Slightly more moderated growth on the top line. There's a couple of things that you have to think about there. One is, again, 2 years of double-digit growth, a 53rd week in the baseline year of '26. ASPs have been increasing. We're seeing in some categories, the rate of increase slowing, but it is still on the rise. We see logically, we're in the later innings to use a baseball reference of the PC refresh, but we're still seeing legs there. We'll see how more AI-enabled PCs play out. And we've seen a doubling in the year-to-date of this year in the GPU and AI -- more than doubling actually of the GPU and AI infrastructure business. So that is a big factor. So to think about, because I know everybody will build models for each year to a degree, I would think about '27 as very likely potentially being a lower single-digit growth. But what that would imply, if you look at 4% to 6% CAGR and you also take into account a nearly 2% factor of a 53rd week in the baseline is pretty healthy growth, upper single digits in the outlying years, and we're going to talk about why we're getting there. More importantly, gross profit growing at a faster clip than revenues, OpEx leverage continuing to drive net income ultimately growing more than 2x the rate of revenue growth and ROIC increasing by 300 to 400 basis points over the last 3 years. So we'll get into more details across all of these metrics. Before I get to that, I just want to hit on a little bit more of what Sanjib touched on with our platform journey. And why is that driving this? Because that theme will continue to come up. It's come up obviously throughout the day, but it will come up through these numbers as well. So we have the platform. It's continuing to mature, 22 out of 57 markets right now. We continue to expand in scope and capability, but it is a mature platform in all sense of the word as far as where we do have it deployed. And we talked about 3 phases of that journey. It's come up today as well. The first was really driving efficiency and OpEx out of the system. We checked that box in '23, '24. Then there's growing revenues above market. We've checked that box in the last year plus. Now we're hitting the dials to really drive the margin story. How do we bring that more profitable engagement, that more fruitful engagement that serves not just us but our customers to drive the outcomes in the market that are needed at the end user level. And that's really where we're dialing that. So data equals intelligence. We've actively are now consuming more data than we ever have, but we're intelligently using that data to drive the business forward in ways we never have. And actions driven off of this are not just automation and efficiency, it's the customer and the vendor experience. And as I said, we're now calibrating that more towards sales, pricing, quality of revenues and working capital efficiency in the years to come. So we'll walk now through a little bit more of the financial value of this, but I just want you to think about some of the words that we've talked about today. Intelligence signals outcomes and becomes the multiplier across our business, financial results are ultimately the outcome of that. All right. So if I go to revenues, we're growing net sales faster than market. Let me focus on client and endpoint solutions in the lower left first. You see it's a little bit more moderated growth, 1% to 3%. A couple of factors go into that. One is what I talked about earlier, PC refresh, probably not continuing or even just the double-digit growth compare that we've now experienced for 6 and going on 7 quarters gets a little bit harder. We're also looking, and I'll touch on this a little bit more when I get into the regional comparison on the next slide. We're also looking at certain areas where we need to rationalize business that just isn't driving a sufficient level of return for our business, and we're going to actively do that. So we look at -- you've heard me say this publicly many times, we look to grow client and endpoint with market. That's a market basket of a lot of things. This still is our biggest pool of revenues in client and endpoint, but we're always going to be calibrating and walking away from the pieces that don't make sense, doubling down in other areas that make a lot of sense. That's the way we've operated. But you see cloud and advanced solutions growing double digits, cloud healthy double digits in this 3-year period to come. That's what we've been experiencing. That's where we're investing in our strategy and our business is to grow above market. Everywhere where we are working around the world in those areas because that's a different profit profile, a different return profile, and we're going to continue to invest as such. So if I look at Infrastructure as a Service, cybersecurity, expected to grow double digits for any foreseeable future. GPU and AI deals, those mostly do fall in Advanced Solutions. We are expected to grow -- our model is built on expecting that to grow at roughly that same 9% to 11% you see on Advanced Solutions as a whole. But that's off of a baseline in this year that will probably close the year close to double what it was last year. Enable AI, we've talked about. That's how we now drive that AI story into the SMB and really bring that home as far as the value prop into the long tail of our end user base. One last thing on cloud. Cloud has an accounting convention that you're -- I think you're all aware of where it is recorded largely on a net revenue basis. But as we've talked about, in the year-to-date, 2026, cloud is now representing a high teens percentage of our gross profit dollars. So this is a scaled business. And at this rate of growth, by the end of the next 3 years, cloud will represent 1/4 of our business or even surpassing 1/4 of our business in GP dollar terms. So we are going to continue to focus on that. And then I just want to touch on life cycle on the bottom right box or kind of middle, I guess. Paul talked about this. We have the ICAD and RLR business, which we're really driving a more sustainable growth rate around and a more profitable growth rate. But then we're investing into life cycle and supply chain services, which is we're really excited to wrap that up -- ramp that up as another area to really capitalize on the core competency. But the platform plays across all of these things. IDA intelligence, recommendations, targeted sales that grow off of the data, that's just a few examples on top line alone that really permeate throughout our business. So now let's look at the regions, if I can get this to advance. There we go. So North America, a little bit more tempered growth. I talked before about some rationalization where we're walking away from some pieces of business that just aren't quite as profitable. We're not yielding the right levels of returns. So we have a little bit more moderated growth in the North America region. But that's okay because we're driving a better profit profile through that, a better return on invested capital. We're expecting to grow cloud, cyber and GPU AI infrastructure at similar rates for the full company in North America, where we're rationalizing tends to fall in some of the lesser profitable advanced solutions categories as well as in client and endpoint. Also, North America is the most mature on Xvantage. It was the first region where we were really deploying advanced functionality, and therefore, that growth factor isn't quite as pronounced as it may be in other markets where we're continuing to deploy. APAC, on the other hand, is growing the most rapidly. That probably isn't also much of a surprise. But honestly, APAC, EMEA and LatAm all have more scale coming on the platform, and APAC really does remain that kind of epicenter of the AI investment, which Diego touched on just a few minutes ago in the panel. But just a reminder on the overall revenue, again, 53rd week in the baseline, take that into account, PC refresh and ASP increases in the historical periods, that's very meaningful. And therefore, again, 2027, I would assume maybe lower single-digit growth, but mid- to upper single digits when you get into '28 and '29 as this model would suggest. Okay. So I go to ex gross profit. Top line, regardless of revenue growth in any given year, we expect to grow gross profit at a higher rate. That is the way we are investing in this business and the way we will drive it. So a 5% to 7% GP CAGR in the coming 3 years. Product and service mix alone drives some of this. We talked about double-digit growth in cloud, advanced solutions, life cycle, but also continuing, on the other hand, to participate in the large GPU and AI infrastructure projects, lower margin, but very efficient. But the platform is also driving growth in gross profit. That's a hard thing to say, as we now see Stage 3 kicking in, which is how do we drive that gross profit and that pricing dynamic, so dynamic pricing recommendations and bundling, demand analysis, demand gen, down to end user level, not just through our customers. How do we calibrate IDA toward more -- toward margin enhancement? Actionable intelligence is key, and that's what we're driving across the business. Operating efficiencies, this is the piece I'm most proud of from the early days of Xvantage. And it's not just Xvantage. It's been a core competency of this company to drive efficiencies in different ways. It's in our DNA. But in the '23 through -- late '23 through early '25 time frame, we publicly talked about taking more than $200 million of annualized OpEx out of our business. We've been able to grow at double digits and not have to add that back because of the efficiencies and automation we've now brought to the system. So while we have invested, we have invested around some of those areas we're targeting to grow at higher rates, that's people investment, technical skills, but also technology itself, we haven't had to notably grow our OpEx over that time frame. Our gross profit per go-to-market head, as Sanjeev touched on, is better now than I think it's ever been. We've seen precipitous improvement in our OpEx leverage, where you've achieved 5% or better goal in '25, and we're trending well below this in '26. So you can see we are getting to -- almost should have shown this in reverse because that's the way it probably will come to fruition, but from 4.8% down to 4.4% of net sales over the coming years. So our 3 -- if I put this in just a CAGR sense, as we talked about in other -- in the other context thus far, you can see a 3% to 4% CAGR in OpEx, but that's on a 5% to 7% gross profit growth, so much less than that GP CAGR. And this is inclusive, I should point out that -- and this should really be no surprise, the cost of SaaS and infrastructure is increasing. It's part of the ASP base we're all dealing with, and that's true for our business as well. As we continue to automate with Xvantage, there are costs associated with that. So what's built into this OpEx number is actually absorbing a high single-digit growth CAGR on SaaS and infrastructure, but we're absorbing that and blending it to a 3% to 4% overall. And that's not a small part of our overall OpEx investment. So we're continuing to not really drive notable increases in the OpEx because of the efficiency we're bringing to the business. We're going to continue to invest in the higher profit, higher ROIC businesses, of course, but the platform will continue to drive efficiency. We will still roll out another 35 countries with more advanced capabilities, and we're going to continue to optimize in other areas. Some areas that you won't hear us talk about as much because they aren't as big a dollar impact as Xvantage, but they're meaningful as far as what they will drive for efficiency that we'll be working on in the coming years and are already working on is modernizing some of our back-office functions, whether it's in the finance area of my team, in our warehouse ops and in other areas. So that's another area where we will invest and it will drive efficiency. And that's, again, part of our pedigree. So I've really hit on all the components that hit into net income, but I'm proud to say when I look at where we're targeting our growth that we're expecting to grow non-GAAP net income at a rate more than 2x that of sales. The margin enhancement opportunities, the cost optimization, the quality of revenues, those are all part of this. The AI-related business, also a part of this. But as we move not only from cloud infrastructure hardware, GPU, but get more into that SMB traction, that all plays across these longer-term strategic priorities you've heard about. So a key note is that we will always be investing in the platform as well as other automation. You've heard me touch on a few examples of that. But we do expect to exit 2027 at a far more steady state on the Xvantage journey overall. So from 2028 onwards, you will see us cease the non-GAAP add-backs for transformation costs that have appeared in our non-GAAP measures. And that's estimated to be about $120 million in the current year. It will be less than that in '27, and it will be 0 in '28 and onwards. So while we will have run rate and continuing investment always as part of our business, we're going to absorb that, and that is reflected in these numbers. In other words, that net income growth that we're showing on this slide is actually markedly more if you were to take that factor out of the equation. And you guys can do the math on that. So I obviously need to talk about cash flow. As I'm covering this, I'll ask Eric and Adolfo to come up on stage with me, and they'll move through a couple of slides after this. But the last 3 years that we're presenting in any history here. But honestly, the last 6 years have been anything -- nothing close to normal. I mean we had -- we've lived through COVID. We've lived through inflation and tariffs and all the refresh that happened post-COVID. We've seen networking supply constraints. We've seen ASP increases. We've seen the boom in AI. Overall, this has created that outsized growth in the double digits. And as I said, we're countercyclical. So this is reflected in our cash flows and has created some volatility. But after a really strong 2025 cash flow, we did signal that '26 would probably be a lesser piece. As you can see in this bar chart, we're still forecasting positive free cash flow. The variable to get to that is exactly how much of our top line growth we see in this business. A day's sale of our business is now north of $150 million. So working capital is a lifeblood of how we manage our business, and we need to continue to invest in that, and that would be the one variable that we need to see how that plays out as to whether we're at positive free cash flow for the year or not. But we'll keep you informed as to how we see that as we go through future earnings calls. But we are driving discipline. We're driving working capital days actually lower year-over-year by multiple days. We're driving ROIC increase. So this is actually the right investment. But our North Star continues to be to try to drive on a more consistent annual basis, and I stress annual because this is a very seasonal business from a working capital investment and cash flow perspective. But annually, we expect to generate or sustain a rate of free cash flow that's 30% more or more of that of adjusted EBITDA. And in some years, I hope we're markedly more than that 30% rate. But with that, I'm going to pass it over to first, Eric -- I'm sorry, first to Adolfo, who will cover a little bit more on working capital.
Adolfo Jimenez
executiveYes. Thank you, Mike. Yes. So as Mike mentioned, working capital productivity is a key driver of sustainable free cash flow. If you go back to Q2, we have delivered about 3 days of improvement in cash conversion, which is a strong base to build into our 3-year plan where we expect to deliver between 23 and 26 days of cash conversion. That will depend on demand, revenue, many drivers that even seasonality across the year. Now as we look at working capital performance or sustainable free cash flow, we view those as really out on from all the initiatives you're seeing here today. From Paul's opening remarks to Sanjib's presentation about the technology we use to run the business, all of those drive or touch in many places on working capital management and free cash flow generation. When you think about the Xvantage platform, intelligence, automation, all of them drive better decisions commercially and in the operation that allow us to maximize profit and improve cash conversion. When you look at all the pieces that comes into a particular deal, we're able to dial the variables to maximize those deals to turn growth into sustainable financial performance. As we look at the multiple advantage features and capabilities, they are all baked in many of the tools that we use today for working capital. I think Sanjib showed some examples of some of the tools we use from inventory optimization to demand planning, to collection tools, to AI-driven risk management tools, all of them are embedded in the way we do business today and all of them help us maximize profitability, reduce invested capital, improve free cash flow and enhance total shareholder return. As we look at all these tools, as important as they are to manage our balance sheet, we want to focus on an area that we would think is critical and strategic for the company, which is channel finance. This is an area that allows us to partner with customers and vendors to deliver solutions in multiple markets in a very capital-efficient way by tapping into incremental capital coming from a global network of financial partners. With that, I want to pass it to Eric to dig into this very important capability.
Eric Tapia
executiveThank you, Adolfo. At Global Commercial Finance, our role is to help the commercial teams not only deliver financial commitments, but also bring insights and capabilities that drive optimization of the return on investment capital, ROIC. And channel finance is a great example of how we do that. So let me start with the core financial takeaway of what is channel finance. I know you've heard financing throughout the day. So channel finance for me, in the easiest way of explaining it is same deal, same profit, less capital required from Ingram. So think essentially about the same transaction, 3 different ways to finance it. If we decide to bring our balance sheet, we offer 30-day terms, or we can also extend terms depending on the commercial opportunity if it makes sense economically and strategically. Channel finance essentially provides us a third option in which the funder essentially underwrites the deal, provides the capital, Ingram gets cash earlier and changes RWC, return on working capital, significantly, as you can see in this image. But very important to say, I can turn this, the real value of channel finance beyond balance sheet efficiency is also a growth engine. We're not just plugging in additional capital sources to the channel because financing needs vary by vendor, by customer. And not all funders can solve for every financing need. So channel finance as a team comes in as a solution consultant. We try to match the needs of the customer and the vendor with the right financing solution and the right funders. And at times, a lot of large deals that we deal with, we're able to win them because of the financing capability. And the value works across the entire ecosystem. For one, resellers can work with end customers to buy more, right, to have additional credit capacity. And that's particularly important for SMB. Oftentimes, they don't have the balance sheet to support larger transactions. On the vendor side, they see channel finance either as an extension of their finance capabilities, for example, OEM captives, or as in many cases, vendors see us as their go-to financing partner. Funders. Funders, they see this great opportunity to allocate capital to this very exciting growing space of IT without necessarily building the commercial reach. It's just not part of their DNA. And most importantly, Ingram benefits from faster cash conversion, but also allows our commercial teams to pursue opportunities more complex, longer term, longer payment terms without necessarily debating between I need to solve for my customer needs, but I need to protect my balance sheet. Channel finance allows to mitigate that. That's particularly important with our advanced solutions, right? Our channel finance volume is very advanced solution heavy, right, because those deals tend to be longer term, complex. Sometimes they include bundles, hardware, software, service, cloud and may include more than one vendor. So our solution consultants are in the middle in the channel, helping all these parties achieve the best financial outcome. And what I'm talking about is not aspirational. We are already operating at scale. Today, we boast more than 170 funders in our network. They range from small, local funders, regional, very few are global. Why? Because again, customer and vendor financing needs are different, but also even in countries, available financing structures vary. So it's really hard to scale with one global funder. But essentially, think about this network and the syndicate of funders as an extension of our channel. We also have built a team of over 40 specialists around the world. And these are folks that are coming from equipment and IT financing, structured finance, banking, and they work very, very closely with our commercial go-to-market teams, but also our credit teams, right? Our credit teams deciding what's the best solution that fits in our balance sheet and channel finance providing an alternative. And that investment, as you can see in the last box, is translating to results. Since 2022, our channel finance revenue has grown 5x, closing in 2025 with over $600 million of revenue. So key points of this section. With channel finance, customers can buy more, vendors can sell more, but Ingram can participate without necessarily growing balance sheet at the same rate. That's how we leverage our position in the ecosystem to not only drive capital efficiency, but also growth. And this focus on capital discipline is what's leading me to the next slide where Adolfo is going to present our focus on ROIC. Adolfo, back to you.
Adolfo Jimenez
executiveYes. As you can imagine, a big fan of channel finance from this side. As we look at ROIC, we start to see acceleration of ROIC since 2025. And a lot of the things that Mike mentioned related to net income growth, acceleration of EBITDA, all of those are playing out in this slide. In the ROIC side, we envision ROIC continue to increase to reach about 16% to 17% by 2029 based on our strategic plan. If you look at this comparison where we've been, it's about 400 basis points from our 2023 levels. The primarily driven, as I mentioned, strong earnings growth. We have a very disciplined capital allocation strategy that we implement internally, and we invest in high return growth opportunities. Now if we go to the balance sheet side, leverage has been the theme for the company. We've been strengthening our balance sheet since 2021, paying down close to $1.9 billion on debt. We maintain a very solid liquidity profile with $3.9 billion in access to liquidity, which not only enhance our financial profile, but allows that flexibility to invest in the strategic opportunities we want to pursue as a company. Now when we talk about leverage, we plan to maintain a balance sheet that is comparable to an investment-grade company. From my point of view, we are actually very close to that point. So as you look at leverage story going forward in the strategic plan, a lot of the deleveraging that you see in our forecast is really primarily driven by EBITDA growth, which again goes back to some of the comments that Mike mentioned and some of the data that you saw in the prior charts. And because that deleverage is coming mostly from EBITDA growth, we view additional debt paydowns really as opportunistic. Now when you put all this together, the ROIC story and the balance sheet story, we believe we have a very strong balance sheet position that allow us to continue investing in our organic growth, take some of that capacity to invest in strategic opportunities could be organic or through M&A and to allow us to increase total shareholder return as we go along.
Michael Zilis
executiveAll right. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. So real quick, I'm going to bring home a couple of last slides here. I want to thank everybody who has submitted questions. We have quite a few in the queue because we're going to move to Q&A shortly. There is still time if you ask now and use that ir@ingrammicro.com website to get any last questions in. So see if I can get this to advance. There we go. So let me just recap a couple of things. We covered again, a lot of ground just in a few minutes here on the financial model. But here's where I would look at our business. Our scale and breadth already provides us an advantage between the vendors, the customers and the end users we serve. But now we bring the maturity of a platform operating model to bear, which is driving true returns across our business. So decision-making, driven by intelligence, data and automation, agent-assisted execution, enhanced customer experience, greater capabilities to drive quality of sales. And by the way, all of those efficiencies don't just pertain to Ingram. As you heard with some of our customers, it's bringing efficiencies to our customers as well and driving them with that intelligence. So that's a very sticky part of the moat that we're talking about with Xvantage. We're going to continue to grow in a prioritized manner, our cloud and advanced solutions business faster than market. We're going to ensure our CES business remains optimized and grows with market. And we're going to build our supply chain services while accelerating our IT asset disposition and reverse logistics and repair businesses. And all of these contribute to higher growth in profitability and higher ROIC, as I hope you've seen through the numbers we presented. So in other words, scale plus intelligence plus execution equals sustainable value creation, and that's how we're thinking about how we operate. So I know you would boom me off the stage if I don't at least hit on capital allocation. So if I think about this, just a few last words on this. So one, we've invested in the business. We're going to continue to organically invest in the business, but in a calibrated and proficient manner. Smaller M&A has been part of our DNA. We haven't done large. We have the capability to do larger M&A if we see something very opportunistic in that regard. And I would never say never, but what has really been a good wheelhouse for us is how we've invested in capabilities of what we call tuck-in acquisitions, cybersecurity, the BR link example that Luis talked about around AWS workload management. Those are areas that have really been easy investments because they're not large dollars, but meaningful outcomes for us. Debt reduction was very critical when Platinum first acquired us, and we had quite a bit of leverage. But ultimately, as Adolfo just covered, we delevered most of that and did most of that while we were private. So any payment of debt might be just opportunistic. We've done 3 secondary offerings this year, and we've used almost $125 million of our own balance sheet to also buy down shares from Platinum. So I'm very happy with the cadence that we see from that perspective. If you think about it in this way, in a just over a 6-month period, 6 months and a week, we've seen the ownership of our primary shareholder decrease by 20%. And it's a cadence we hope we can continue to deliver on. We're proud also that we've delivered a dividend right out of the gate as a public company, and we've also raised that dividend every quarter since we've been public. But particularly, as Adolfo also covered, as we grow EBITDA, our leverage ratio is ultimately where it needs to be. We do have a goal of being investment grade. And until we are not majority held, the rating agencies won't consider us investment grade. But that remains important because you have to think about tens of billions of trade credit that we have from our vendors around the world. Many of them are using credit insurers. And just the efficiency of a debt structure of an investment-grade company is important. But from a metrics perspective, we're largely there. And I am excited, if you think about the right side of this chart around the future state where we are not closely held and we can move into more traditional share buybacks as yet another way of returning to shareholders, and we will do that. So I'll leave you just with the following. We have a proven track record of executing for multiple years in what has been a pretty volatile market in many, many ways. But as evidenced in our 3-year plan looking forward, we're ramping up that execution even further, delivering more returns, more profitability, better results for our shareholders. And I'm more confident, honestly, today than I've ever been on our ability to continue to execute the strategy that we've laid out for you today. So I really want to thank you for your time today. I know we've covered, again, quite a bit. And with that, I think we move into Q&A, and I'll ask Paul and Sanjib to come to the stage with me and answer your questions.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveThank you. We've got about 25 minutes, and then Paul is going to wrap up with just a few minutes to close out the day at 3:00 p.m. Central Time. So I'm going to start with this question. And I apologize, we have a lot of questions. I don't think we'll be able to hit upon all of them, but we'll do the best to get through as many as possible. So if a vendor were choosing between expanding share with Ingram versus another global distributor, what are the top 3 reasons why they would select Ingram?
Paul Bay
executiveI'll take that one. Well, we've seen it here recently when HPE announced kind of their global decision to go global with just a couple of partners, and I think you saw it show up in life today. So there's probably 3 or 4 different reasons why. One is we continue to talk about our reach, and it's that diversity of reach. But more importantly, it's the skill sets within each of those regions that we've developed. We talk about those centers of excellence, the competencies we build, what we're doing already for our customers and our vendors. Again, if you would have asked us a handful of years ago, we wouldn't be taking Level 1 and Level 2 support from our customers or from the end users. And now that's just what we do. And we can replicate that globally. So I think our skill sets. I also think -- and that's the reach from a global diversification. The other piece is reach as we talk about from a customer standpoint. The 165,000 solution providers we service each and every day gives us further reach. And what the vendors are looking for, no matter if it's the big vendors or emerging vendors as we talk about it, or new technologies that are coming to market, they're looking for that reach, call it, mid-market and below into SMB and then really those growth partners. They can't reach them. They don't want to reach them, and they look for us to be able to do that. The last thing I would say, as we've seen the evolution in our careers of how the products have come to market, I keep mentioning the 6 different products and services. Vendors recognize they are not the only solution. They're a piece of the solution. And the fact that we have all the other pieces, they look at that now as valuable as opposed to we want to fill the entire stack. So I would say those are a couple of different reasons that, a, differentiate us; and b, why vendors would want to go with us on a global basis.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveThanks, Paul. So Mike, you reiterated your 3Q '26 guidance today. And wondering what the puts and takes are there that lead you to believe you're going to be at the high end of the guidance and in which lines of business and geographies might that be driven?
Michael Zilis
executiveYes. So I think I feel pretty comfortable with that full year guidance sitting here, especially with what I said on Q3 hitting at the high end or better, given we're just a couple of weeks away. But the biggest variable is what I hit on in my prepared remarks, honestly, which is do we see some of these really large GPU AI infrastructure deals come in that could drive outsized growth. And we'll talk about that. We will continue to quantify the impacts of that when we ultimately get around to our earnings release at the end of October. But I feel good about it. I think we're continuing to see probably the biggest growth out of our APAC region, but strong growth across really all of our regions and all of our lines of business. So I feel good about that. I do feel good about how we're starting to see some of those levers that we've talked about kick in on how we're trying to drive a margin story. That's not going to all happen at once. So we're going to continue to see that play out in coming quarters, and we'll talk more about that also in our earnings calls. But I'm excited about the early returns we're seeing as far as some of those levers we're pulling from an automation perspective.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveGreat. Sanjib, the question is, complexity is changing the traditional linear IT supply chain. How does Ingram's new intelligent operating model potentially blur the lines across the traditional supply chain? And I'm going to sort of skip through, this is a long one. How might it change the traditional value chain?
Sanjib Sahoo
executive[indiscernible] Yes, that's a good question. I think if you look at the traditional IT -- am I audible now? Okay. So there is a lot of handouts, right? So if you look at we procure from our vendors and OEMs, it goes through how you solution it and then actually send it to our customers. So there's a lot of handoff. What intelligence can do is actually procure them and make from handoff to orchestration and add the layer. So in the future, intelligence can really bring in the value of how we buy, how do we compute and solutionize and how we actually push. And that is very important where we match the demand signals with the supply signals. That is extremely important. And as we go through this chain, it's very important that we use that intelligence to understand velocity because as demand and supply interconnect, as we showed today, the role of the ecosystem changes. And that's where I see more and value and especially with the larger vendors, how we use it intelligence to drive demand generation in the long tail.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveThank you. So Paul, what does Ingram do for AWS? And is our role simply fulfillment?
Paul Bay
executiveWe do a lot. I guess I would say -- I'll broaden the question, I guess, broader than just AWS. I'll call it hyperscalers. And so it's absolutely more than just distribution. I think we've touched on it a couple of different areas. But just to reiterate, the DR Link capabilities that we have, we're moving workloads from an end user perspective. And we're not just doing that with DR Link. Actually, we brought that to corporate, and we're doing our own training programs and skilling people up and bringing more. So we're touching, I would say, the workloads from a different perspective. The real importance is the demand generation, kind of similar back to the question I think I was asked about why vendors would want to go with us on a global basis. The hyperscaler is just a piece of the solution. And they don't want to build out the competencies to go touch kind of the mid-market and below. And actually, their mid-market a lot of times is a lot bigger than I would say the traditional mid-market, meaning they're giving us even more access to market and again, attacking that total available market share of that $5 trillion we've talked about. And building out those competencies, I touched on it today, the field deployment engineer, the FDE model, you're hearing all of the hyperscalers talk about. And we're investing ahead of the curve on that to be able to bring those competencies because they don't want to go hire thousands and thousands of FTEs directly. We can do that. We can do that at scale. We can use our centers of excellence, and we can really touch a market that they are not able to touch and again, bring that together with the 6 different products of solutions that come to market.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveGreat. And this is a question you haven't had before, but I'll turn it into a 3-parter. So what are you seeing in PC refresh cycle? How are ASPs impacting that cycle? And where are we in the AI PC curve?
Paul Bay
executiveSo I can start. I mean, so we're still seeing good demand from a PC perspective. It's one of the things I was talking to a couple of people, and I've had a couple of questions over the last couple of weeks, which is, if you would look at where we are coming into the year versus where we are almost 10 months or almost 9 months through the year, actually, the refresh has actually had pretty good legs, stronger than we probably thought it would have been coming into it. Mike and I have talked about this in Q1 and Q2. We feel good about where we sit in Q3, which is there's still demand there. The other thing I would say that's a little bit different is as the constraints have come out that we've seen and the pressure on technology is that we've actually seen pretty good adoption into AI PCs. So if we would have talked about AI PCs 3 or 4 quarters ago, we would have been talking about what are AI PCs going to be able to do with my business. And now there's actually real use cases where we're seeing that. So we're still continuing to see that increase. Where we are in kind of the innings, I guess, or where we are kind of in this refresh process, there's still hundreds of millions of units, 300 million to 400 million units depending, I've heard a couple of different stats, that still need to be refreshed that are out there. And so it's still yet to be determined. I would also say, Mike talked about a little bit of what we looked at from an annual perspective. The PC refresh was late to start. Before we went public, we grew 30 basis points a year in 2024, and that was because the PC refresh hadn't started. And normally, you see that 4 to 6 quarters out. So it really started to pick up. So I think there's a little bit of elongation going on from a refresh standpoint that we're still continuing to see that momentum. I don't know, Mike, if you have anything...
Michael Zilis
executiveYes. Well, I think I hit on this a little bit, but just as I think about it from a model perspective, as we just laid out, and I did touch on this, that CES growth, PCs are the biggest subcomponent of our client and endpoint solutions. And so that a little bit more moderated growth there is both the compares as Paul just hit on, the ASPs being part of that and probably some leveling of that ASP increase but still some legs on PCs. And the wildcard really is going to be that AI-enabled PC penetration. It's still only roughly 30% of what we sell from a perspective of PCs. So there is penetration to come there, and that may smooth that cyclicality a little bit, and we'll see how that plays out. But yes, that's the only thing I would add.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveCould you extend that conversation into advanced solutions, so how are ASPs and supply chain issues impacting the different areas within advanced solutions? And how do you see that...
Paul Bay
executiveYes, I actually think -- sorry. So if you look at kind of as it extends into the other product categories, Mike and I touched on this in Q2, and we're still seeing some similar things. The fact that vendors have actually extended going from 14 days in some instances to 30 days, meaning a quote is valid for 30 days, now the customers that you saw up here can go have a conversation with their customers, their end customers to say, we have this for 30 days as opposed to 14 days or 7 days or early days, it was like hours it felt like. So there's a little bit more, should I say, predictability in what we're seeing. I think we're still seeing the ASPs come up. They're coming up, as Mike said, a little bit slower than we've seen, but they're still continuing to happen. So I think there's a bit more predictability. When I talk to some of the customers that we were here and many of the customers we do business with, they're seeing a little bit more predictability in terms of where that is sitting from an ASP standpoint outside of PCs also.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveTank you. Can you help us quantify the benefit you're getting from Xvantage and how much it's benefiting margin, retention rates, attach rates or operating efficiency?
Michael Zilis
executiveYes, Sanjib, do you want to hit on more of the qualitative and I'll quantitative?
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveSure, absolutely. I think it is an important thing to understand today, we talked about the platform operating model and the intelligent operating model, right? So if you look at it, the initial benefits were coming from OpEx that Mike touched on that where we are automating experience, taking friction out so we took OpEx out of another system. But as we see today, we are driving more revenue, which is we are going and proactively getting demand. Our idea process is we process more quotes, we increase the pipeline, and then we have a better conversion rate, and we are closing our sales cycles. That is actually helping us to grow our top line. And as you see right now, the lever, the third phase we are moving with the platform is really that calibration of margin and just figuring it out how we improve that mix in IDA, how we look at pricing abilities, how we look at optimizing our inventory and rebates and how do we push the long tail. So that is giving us the leverage. And to the question about always the revenue will give us the growth leverage, but really the operating margin leverage will be with the cost and how we actually leverage self-service automation with the growth that we can bring in.
Paul Bay
executiveBefore you get into the numbers real quick, what I would say on top of that is we just started talking about IDA just a couple of quarters ago. So as we found this out and we talked about it, Mike and I talked about a couple of earnings calls ago, that was given us disproportionate growth. That's what we talked about, right? So it was about the revenue, what Sanjib is saying. Now we're turning that dial and presenting the opportunities. And it's not just for us from a margin profile, it's also for our customers. So now we can sort through all of the information they have to turn the dial to be more margin accretive versus when we first started this, it was a pilot. We were looking at it saying, wow, this is kind of interesting in what we're doing with the intelligence. And that's how we created IDA to be able to go to our sales organization to be forward being proactive versus being reactive to our customers. So it's allowed us to now still really fine-tune. There's a number of other things we can turn that dial with IDA also.
Michael Zilis
executiveYes. So from a numbers perspective, if I talk about top line first, I think we -- I talked about the next 3 years, probably a little bit lower single-digit kind of growth in '27, but decent single-digit growth in '28 and '29. And a lot of that is really attributable to the platform operating model. That's not just driving revenues, it's driving quality of revenues and really driving that more profitable margins. So that's coming through in all the numbers we're sharing, which that's where we have, honestly, to be completely transparent, maybe even some upside as we see that traction really kick in, in the numbers we've shared with you is how much we can really drive around that piece, which is really earlier days for us right now, but we're really excited about the earlier -- how the earlier days are driving results.
Paul Bay
executiveAnd I think that's one of the beautiful things about Xvantage that we're talking about is now we have the intelligence. Again, IDA was even part of our road map a few quarters ago. So there's going to be more IDA-like things we don't know about today that when we discover them, we pilot them and we'll be open to say, here's what's working and here's what we're doing and where we're leaning in. And then again, how we can take that global. Because remember, again, everything we're doing from a platform perspective is on a global basis.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveGreat. Paul, can you explain the decision to return to supply chain services, how you plan to get back into it and the factors that will allow you to take share there?
Paul Bay
executiveYes. So we're excited about it. So if you go back and I said in 2022, we actually divested our supply chain business prior to going back public again. So one, the noncompetes expired. But more importantly, what we've done is we've taken the data that we've had, and we saw in many of you that got to go see the warehouse tour today of how we're using that data to really be more efficient and free up space. The automation, the intelligence that we're using is freeing up space. So when I say we're not investing in warehouses, we're actually creating space to be able to go do that. So we think it's a great opportunity. It's a services business. It's good return from a capital standpoint. And again, because of our reach and be able to have this global, we think it's a great value proposition to stay within our ecosystem and slight adjacencies that we can operate in because many times, we're already the largest provider, if not one, and probably 2 on a global basis. So it's efficient, too, for those partners that want to have a good supply chain. So there's a number of different reasons we're excited about it, but those are what I would say are the most -- we're most excited about. And it takes a bit of time to build up, too, because if you look at the model that Mike presented, we're now that we're out there. We're just now discussing it. Now we can get through that pipeline. We got to get through being able to bring on board, and it takes a little bit of time to ramp some of these partners up.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveAnd Paul, do you expect that to be organic or inorganic or a mixture?
Paul Bay
executiveSo I think if you look at Lifecycle Services, kind of the 3 brands that fall under that. So Supply Chain Services will be organic. We're going to build this ourselves. We've got the technology, some of the foundation because we have to build back some of the systems. We're going to do that organically. Inorganically, we'll continue to look at things like IT asset disposition and what we can do. And I would say the reverse logistics and repair business. So if I separate Lifecycle Services kind of into 2 buckets, one, potentially, it could be inorganic. The other one would for sure be we're going to build it organically.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveOkay. And Mike, what are the largest drivers of the company's long-term operating margin growth? And how much of future margin expansion is expected from automation and workflow digitization versus mix shift?
Michael Zilis
executiveI think, again, if I go back to the 3 phases of our platform journey, one was operating efficiencies. We've taken the cost out that we've talked about. There is still efficiency to get as we continue to deploy Xvantage across a bigger pool of our countries globally. But we've targeted our growth of Xvantage towards our largest markets to start, most of our largest markets. So there is still room there where we see more of that efficiency. The revenue growth above market as sort of the Phase 2 part, again, we're -- I think what we shared today, especially if you take into account some of those baseline factors is revenue growth above market as far as where we see the business going in the coming years. And now it's really more on the profitability spectrum. So I'm not going to necessarily quantify the 3 pieces. But certainly, as you think about our operating profit and our net income -- non-GAAP net income growing at more than 2x our revenue growth rate, it's really extrapolating off of the platform and the capabilities we're bringing to bear as we continue to mature this model around the world.
Paul Bay
executiveI mean the good thing about what we've done from an efficiency standpoint in OpEx is we're able to redeploy to proactive activity. So the quality of revenue, as Mike is talking about. So we're able to take those resources and be proactive, and it's showing up in both the profit and the revenues.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveGreat. We talked a little bit about ASPs and PCs. Can you talk just generally about the pricing environment, supply and demand, how you're thinking about in the out years, memory shortages, how long is that going to go? Just in general, I guess, really sort of demand or the elasticity of demand?
Paul Bay
executiveI could hit on it first, and then you guys please add. But I think we've assumed in our model that we are not seeing the rate of growth of ASPs that we've seen this year. There are some category -- subcategories of products that have grown high double digits, even maybe triple digits in some cases. So there's a growth factor there in some areas that we're already seeing some of that rate of increase slow a bit. We talked in our second quarter earnings about a 3% impact on top line associated with all of these factors, which is not just the ASP piece, but also maybe some pull forward, but also the counterpart to all of this, which is, it's taking longer to get product. Supply is constrained. So to close deals takes longer. We have more backlog than we traditionally do today. And then a little bit of that demand elasticity. But again, we haven't seen a lot where we've seen orders just being canceled. There's always some of that. But what we're seeing more of is occasionally, not a tremendous amount, but more recalibration. Customers looking at, maybe I don't need the same number of units, maybe I can downsize my technical specs to make this more affordable in an ASP environment. So I think we do expect as we get into the new year, and I don't think anything I'm saying here is very different than what the OEMs themselves are saying is that we do get to a point where this levels off and plateaus, but the supply constraints themselves are probably -- from a memory perspective, are probably going to exist for potentially multiple years, honestly, and we'll be navigating through that. And then the last thing I would just say is the ASPs are passed through. We're not eating those costs. So that's an important part as far as the profit metrics. inflates both our cost of sales and our revenues, but it's not necessarily eating into our margins in a meaningful way, just to be clear.
Michael Zilis
executiveThe only -- I think you answered it. The only one thing I would add is that we're seeing customers as they look out, they may be not rolling out the entire deployment right upfront. They may be rolling out pieces of the deployment, which will make it a little bit better from a revenue perspective and a little bit more predictability because of the constraints because they can't get access to everything. So they'll kind of phase it out along the way versus they would have done everything if they had access to everything right out of the gate. Some of those partners are telling us that's the way they're looking at it now.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveOkay. Last question, and then we'll turn it over to you, Paul. But Sanjib, could you talk a little bit about how to gauge success of Xvantage and this move to the intelligent operating system? What are the factors to look for over the next year or so?
Sanjib Sahoo
executiveYes. I think there are multiple factors. One is we talked about the value coming in, both from the operating leverage, the revenue growth, and Mike talked about the margin, multiple factors of margin, right? But what is important is the foundation, right? We had built the automation that our transactions and our customers come with experience. And I talked today that, that gives us about 250 million events a day that gives signals. And these signals are helping us to understand demand when there is invisible demand to connect the dots and do demand generation. And that is where we see in the long tail, even outcome-based solutioning in the mid-market or even working with the enterprise, the value coming in. And as you see here, as we move from the platform operating model to the intelligent model, it's not just a quantifiable value, it's how you operate the business. What you heard today is some of the mature markets you are running the business with the intelligence. You are changing the way you operate, how your sales team going out and proactively reaching out, how you're balancing your factors. I think that is the success of our platform. It is not a platform supporting just a distribution business. We are becoming the intelligent operating system of the ecosystem. I think that's where we measure. As we bring in more integrations for the ecosystem and solve problems and we can show demand generation with the hyperscalers and the vendors, I think that will be the true success of our platform in the next 3 years.
Willa Mcmanmon
executiveGreat. Thank you all for the answers. And Paul, at this time, we'll have you close out the day.
Paul Bay
executivePerfect. All right. Thanks for hanging in there with us. Can I bring up my closed slides, please? There we go. I think it's coming up. Let me know. I see a blank screen. And now I see a nice ocean, but I can still wrap up. Hopefully, as they change, I see it looks like -- sorry, you're seeing like some like -- so hopefully, you'll be able to see -- there is a slide creative, but I'll touch on it. So first of all, I want to say thank you very much for your time today. When we went public back in 2024, we shared our vision. So we're coming up on 2 years that we got to share our vision of becoming a B2B platform company and more importantly, our transformational journey. We talked about it today, removing friction, lowering our OpEx and using data and AI to create intelligence. And now we're talking about how we're using the intelligence to create actionable outcomes. Today, I hope you realize, and I said it this morning, we're a different company. We're resilient. We've moved at pace. We'll continue to move at pace because it's an unprecedented time in our industry right now. And we've built the capabilities to sustain our progress. A new Ingram Micro has emerged. Our portfolio expansion, monetization of AI, what we're doing around with the hyperscalers, the services we're building, all providing room for us to grow. We're delivering on our financial commitments as we've talked about. We had a good Q1. We had the best Q2 in company history. The back half of the year is shaping up nicely. And our 3-year plan shows us growing profit at 2x the rate of revenue. Our teams have passion. They have desire. We have a huge opportunity in front of us. Along with our partners, alongside of us, we intend to win. Thank you for your time again today, and appreciate giving us all this visibility and opportunity to present to you. Have a great afternoon.
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