Renesas Electronics Corporation (6723) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 16, 2024

Tokyo Stock Exchange JP Information Technology Semiconductors and Semiconductor Equipment investor_day 230 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

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Good morning, everyone. Thank you very much for taking the time to attend Renesas Electronics 2024 Capital Market Day despite your busy schedule. Thank you very much, indeed. This is today's agenda. The total meeting is expected to last for 4 hours, and we expect to finish at 1:00 P.M. Japan Standard Time. The material side for today's session is already posted on the IR site of our corporate homepage and tonight, the video of today's session will be posted on the same site. In the first half and the second half of today's meeting, we will take your time for questions and answers. [Operator Instructions] So without further ado, we would like to invite our President and CEO, Hidetoshi Shibata, to make a few words of greetings and have his presentation.

Hidetoshi Shibata

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Thank you very much. Good morning to you all. This is Shibata. We have secured longer time than usual years for utilization. So please bear with us to the extent possible. The main purpose for today's session is that compared to last year will be more expanded and the leadership members will have an opportunity to have a dialogue with you. So that is the reason why we set this timetable this year. So although time is limited to the extent possible, we would love to have as many of you as possible, have direct conversation with the leadership team of the company. So that is the purpose of today's meeting. Now first of all, from my staff, I would like to give an overview regarding the company's current position just briefly to set the stage for today's meeting. First of all, in 2019, when I took office and after that -- all the developments after that is not summarized here. As you are already well aware last year and the year before, the revenue compared to the period before that nearly doubled compared to the period before 2021. So far, we have been able to achieve a favorable increase in our growth. Look at the last fiscal year 2023. Among the Fox earnings, TSR was #4 -- 3 for the whole year. NVIDIA was in a very good position. But after that, are the #3 after a slighter margin with AMD. And last year, we were selected as one of the name as Nikkei 225 Index and for sustainability, MSCI Index also adopted us and, as far as sustainability is concerned, our rating compared to 2 years ago because we are a low risk -- we were recognized as low risk company, and therefore, we are able to successfully improve our scores and sustain analytics as well. Now getting into this year, after this year, in April, as planned, we have launched the operations of Kofu Factory and towards the mass production start of next year, we are making steady progress in the preparations towards that time frame. And also, as we announced Gallium Nitride and Transphorm acquisition. Of course, all the process is currently making favorable progress. So if things progress as planned, we shall be able to have this closing of this deal shortly. The details will follow during Chris' part, so we would like to come up with some more details during Chris' presentation. And also as a major step towards digitalization Altium acquisition, we are also making a favorable progress in its process right now. If everything goes well, based on that assumption, maybe we might be able to close the deal earlier than planned sometime around the third quarter of this fiscal year has a possibility. Now 2 years ago, in 2022, we set this aspiration for 2030. We will have to achieve this aspiration by 2030. And we will not need to become [indiscernible] semiconductor supplier and the most audacious one is the capitalization and also for cash flow as you can see and also [indiscernible] the multiples and therefore, we would like to give a 6x increase in terms of market capitalization in the aspiration. So far right now, the execution of [midterm] plan is making steady progress in our view. And also, during the last fiscal year, in the 1-year period, and the multiple expansion, one factor of this, valuation gap fill. As far as this is concerned, we were able to achieve a certain level of progress in terms of this, like the down cycle management, and peak and tough. This will be covered by Shinkai's presentation in more detail. But I think to some extent, we have been able to successfully manage the down cycle management and also the inventory control in the down cycle, I think we were able to pass the test and INCJ achieved its full [indiscernible] last fiscal year. There is still a concern slightly about the overhang. But in order for us to address the concern of overhang, we were able to make a great step forward with this exit. And also this year at last, we have started to resume dividend payment. So with all these accumulating in the time frame of aspiration, 2x as much of progress has already been achieved as of the end of 2023 as I recap the last fiscal year. Now after this, the remaining piece that we have to address is the wheel multiple expansion in the real sense. I'll cover this after this, but we would like to utilize our assets to the maximum so that we can drive growth. And of course, this will be supported by digitalization. So we would like to accelerate digitalization in order to further support this aspiration. So in terms of scale, so far, we have had an organization based on segments. In order to convey this in the Japanese context to make it easier for you to understand, this is more like a company system, having a smaller company inside one company. That was the previous structure that we are -- by which we operate the company. However, from January of this year, we have changed significantly so that in order to pursue the same direction as a whole company, we have changed into a new organization, which is product based. So leveraging the scale, of course, the biggest objective for this is that we would like to leverage our manage our resources, including technology and human resources to the maximum so that we can go beyond the segments and cover different segments and be able to offer more innovative solutions to customers. So that is the major objective, of course, but it is very difficult to quantify them for the near term. So therefore, as a measurable target, we just have written down some measurable targets at the bottom of this page. For example, in terms of R&D, so far, we have partnered with many different parties in the R&D activities. And among them, the top 20 partners, the most advanced and the large-scale partners will be the focus going forward. And by focusing on our partnership with them, we shall be able to engage in more strategic R&D activities. So that was one thing that we have reorganized this time around and also for the front-end production processes and the back-end packages and testing, all these in the past, we covered many wide range of initiatives, but we have decided to streamline them by 30% so that we can improve the efficiency. So that was another target. So currently, we are making progress in this streamlining of the operations. So this is more like an efficiency initiative, but the primary purpose is like maximizing the scale and leveraging the scale to the maximum so that we can accelerate the speed of innovation and digitalization. Well, still acquisition of Altium is not closed yet, and therefore things that can be decided, some things that we can disclose is very limited. However, at this point of time, this is our view right now. So I would like to share them. And of course, this will be covered in more detail when Buvna speaks in her presentation. But at this point of time, our thought is that, so far, towards the unit of customers, we have provided additional platforms. And on top of that, we will integrate the software that we provide and the development tools and also the auto coding, and quick studio will all become available in similar platforms so that it will be easier to use. So that has been something that we have been doing so far. And Altium has this design software, very strong PCB design software and also the Part Search, Octopart and A35 5 platform was released. So there will be a [indiscernible]. So they are currently working on these initiatives. So at this timing, in the near future, of course, we will aim to reorganize them altogether. So the platform will be integrated into a single platform. And on top of that, numerous applications-1,000; 2,000; 3,000 of these applications, all sorts of tools and application software will be -- and data will be incorporated on top of that so that it could be made available to the users. So that is the role that we would like to realize, and again, at the sake of risk of repeating myself, this is not closed. So once the deal is closed, we would like to reorganize this in compressed time frame and accelerate the initiatives towards the target. So stay tuned, please. Stay tuned to the future of Renesas. It looks like this is a leap of the logic. So I was really -- I'm not really convinced whether I should talk about this. But in order for us to drive the growth, one is this team for us to tackle the Indian market. During Bobby's session, we'll talk about this later to some extent, but we believe India offers a great potential. Therefore, if you look at the middle there, in the last several years, and of course, into the next fiscal year, these planned numbers are incorporated here. So the head count in India will try to increase this by 20 times. So this is a major investment and a major growth that we anticipate in India. So that is what we are doing in India. Of course, we'll try to drive this further at an accelerated pace, but human is not sufficient. So what is required here is to provide solutions that is ready to use. Customers are requiring this, I feel, day in and day out. So this system-level solutions will have to be offered them in greater numbers and that offers better ease of use. And of course, IIT area, they have out of spread research facilities and future facilities, so we would like to extend our partnership with those universities and the institute so that we can collaborate with them and work together with the staff as well as the students so that we can drive further the growth in India. But that alone is not sufficient, and therefore, digitalization angle will have to be brought in as possible. And by doing so, I think, further possible to substantially accelerate the growth in India. So digitalization, what change will it bring about? Of course, customer experience will be enhanced and our solution will become more stickier. That is, of course, one ambition that we have. But strictly when it comes to India and market in India, in order for us to drive growth, we believe digitalization will become a very significant enabler, a very important enabler. So my conclusion all these efforts by 2030, we would like to make India account for 10% to 15% of our total revenue. So that is the ambition that we have as far as our revenue target is concerned. Now our purpose, this is just a recap of what I have explained, previously to make our lives easy is the purpose of the company. So in close to daily activities of people, we would like to offer highly reliable solutions that brings peace of mind to our customers. So that is our purpose. Of course, in order to that, of course, we have seen a trend change recently, and in order to achieve this, we, of course, will have to make lives easier on this planet. So that is the reason why we have been strengthening our efforts in the ESG area, and the progress so far has been quite favorable. So that's another thing that I wanted to convey here on this slide. Scope 1 and 2, these are the GHG emissions originating from our company. And of course, on the supply chain and also the power applied with the GHG is also covered in Scope 2. For Scope 1 and 2, we would like to achieve close to 40% reduction by 2030. And as of last year, 20% and to be more precise, 18% reductions already achieved by 2023. So beyond here, of course, on the extension of the initiatives that have been employed so far, we would like to continue pursuing energy-saving green energy adoption and also PPA and also solar panel introduction will also be pursued. As for Scope 3, by 2026, 70% purchases -- I'm sorry, the suppliers accounting for 70% of our purchases will be targeted by Scope 3 reduction. And so far, we have already added 43%, making steady progress already. And the focus for this fiscal year, the grade -- the blue part at the bottom are the first area. Supply chain, green [indiscernible] we will continue to build on the past activities this fiscal year as well. And also another thing that's making good progress this year is disclosure, although we last will start publishing the integrated report. We have done that already. So if you take -- have time, please read them. And of course, for the indexes, the remaining on target is the Dow Jones Index. We would like to make efforts so that we will be incorporated in Dow Jones. For the upper 2 ones, health and safety, this relates to initiatives at the factories, so that will account for the bulk of health and safety, and that will be the focus area for this fiscal year and also the other element, human resources, especially we'll focus on diversity, gender diversity, we will accelerate initiatives in that area. Of course, hardware, in the hardware technology sector and as a company based in Japan, diversity is always a problem, is always a challenge, but we would like to face this squarely so that we can also make good progress in the area of diversity. So that is also selected as a focus area for this fiscal year. And this is about Renesas' culture. This is something that, yes, I have introduced before about TAGIE and it's exactly the same thing. And from 2020, we've been showing this TAGIE culture. And it's supposed to be like a journey that's supposed to take like 10 years to make many major steps, and that's what we have been calling out for. But then after a moment, we know that there's higher awareness within the company. But then sometimes maybe people got too used to this, maybe we need something new, but then it's not that we're going to be stopping what we have been doing so far. It's going to be important that we'd be able to make progress of each of these items that we have here because in the end, we want to make sure that this TAGIE culture really would stem within our daily life in making decisions and making our -- conducting our daily activities. We want to make sure that this culture is something that is very much rooted within whatever we do everyday in the tenure, perspective. And the culture that we did last year, there's something that I did pick up. In other words, amongst the focus areas, we defined that, for example, global collaboration really stood out. And after that, CTO, Yoshioka San took the lead, especially amongst the engineered members. We decided to pursue this global collaboration and various aspects. And as a result, it's a slight step forward, but when we did the pulse check this year, we did find that, yes, these actions prove to be effective to some extent. Now last year, 69% of the respondents were saying that they're starting to feel a global collaboration, they're able to take part in that. But within the pulse check this year, we found that 72% of the respondents are actually feeling that they're part of this global collaboration. And so it's the 3 percentage points, maybe it is within perhaps amount of some calculation, but we did find improvement at a rate. And we hopefully be able to look into the remaining focal points, and we want to make sure that we'd be able to create even further progress. But then, of course, this collaboration, as we say on the bottom right, what was good was that we found good progress in Japan and APAC. I mean, it started small and slow, but it started to become larger. But then at the same time, on the right bottom again, this IT infrastructure, the collaboration there seemed to have required a little more struggle. And it's actually one of the underlying themes, but we wanted to change the organization. We always wanted to really put resources into digital in India. But then, as we've been doing that, we need to see if this IT infrastructure really would become a strong foundation for our future growth. And that's exactly what I do want to see. And it is something that I have been talking about. But ever since 2019, we wanted to see if we'd be able to create the short-term achievement. And so that meant, IT, anything around IT, we were trying to just work around with whatever we had to see if there could be any improvement. But then from here, there's going to be -- in order to make sure that we'd be able to drive another $20 billion, we have to make a more drastic change. And so it is really going to be making a true revamp of IT infrastructure that we have. But of course, once we start this, we do know that it is going to require a lot of work. And Shinkai has been giving you updates in the quarterly announcements, but I do believe we have been sort of deep diving the scope. And we're taking time to make sure that we'd be able to capture the benefit. Of course, this is not something that is tangible. It's not exactly that you'd be able to easily find, especially in terms of contribution to our numbers, but it is something that we are working on. And so that's what I wanted to mention. Now I am going to talk a bit around numbers. So ever since 2019, we've been always keeping track in this format. In other words, based on our continuing business base, what is going to be our adjusted P&L, and last year, as we mentioned, compared to 2022, there's been a slight decline in revenue. However, in terms of gross margin or operating margin, we know we've been able to outperform the model. The right-hand side shows the model itself. I know I've been asked several times in the past, aren't we going to update our model, but the answer today is we're going to basically keep it as it is. Some of you may know this that when we started, it was really about gross margin and operating margin. We showed it in the range, but we decided to just take out the bottom range. We're just going to show the upper range. So that's a bit of a minor change that we did make. And of course, margin is something that we do pay attention to. We will do so from here on as well. But at the same time, we want to make sure we'd be able to find growth in the top line. So we're not going to sacrifice margin in any way, but it's not really about just increasing the margin and for the margin per se, but it's really going to be -- we're trying to pay more attention to revenue growth. So again, we are going to keep the model. So that's my response to the questions updating this model. But when we say drive the growth, where is it going to come from? What is the driver? And of course, each product group will be telling you the details. And if you have any questions, yes, we'd be happy to receive your questions. But in terms of overall company growth, what's going to contribute more at least within our plan. I'm just going to give you a sneak preview. And again, for details, please do hear from each of the leads. So this is the verticals that you find, for example, automotive, industry, infrastructure and IoT. And horizontally, you find each product group. So high-performance computing, this obviously, the driver will be on the automotive side. And the team really hasn't really changed, but it's really about scalability and it's not going to be cookie cut type of a solution, but it's going to be tailored solution. And we've always known that we really have to work on AI and tools. And I do believe in this past 12 months, we've been able to make a great progress. Vivek probably will be able to tell you more. And again, this is really going to be a continuous theme so that we'd be able to drive revenue. And then for embedded processing, again, this is going to really come from the industry area. There's certainly various growth angles. But again, here, it's really about scalability. And from here, we are going to drastically revisit the UX so that our clients would be able to find an easy-to-use solution, which is going to be the driver for growth. And then Analog and Connectivity. This again -- certainly, this is something that we'd be able to say to all products, all business, but if we just focus -- pay attention to what is making numerical contribution, like memory interface product, which I'm sure you'll be hearing about anything -- maybe it's not directly linked to AI per se, but we know that there's going to be exclusive computing needs and memory interface would be required, and that's going to be another driver of revenue. For power, we're talking about this really broad range of portfolio. We have all the wide band gap, we have silicon solution, we have controllers, we have power management IC, and so with all those portfolios, we'd be able to respond to each parties of each segment. And there's certainly going to be increased use compute capability. And so we want to respond to all these needs. And from here on, there's going to be more integration. We're certainly obviously seeing that. But as we try to pursue more integration, there will be more module, which, again, would be a driver of growth. Of course, IDT module is something like a big lunch box is also included, but it's not just that. We also are trying to -- we're also looking at smaller module. That's for like offering more computing capability with GPU. It's going to make sure that you'd be able to have an explosive increase in our capability, and that's exactly what we want to offer when we say module. Now maybe it may sound a bit different from my previous [indiscernible], but I don't want to talk about some of the negative aspects or something that we need to do more. It's something that comes from some of the previous questions that we received in our earnings results. We saw nothing new maybe. But from this March, we know that the third party, when we look at their share, we are -- share in the total semiconductor real has been increasing. But then the MCU side, we're actually decreasing losing some of our market share. So that is what we observed. And it is something that we've mentioned before, but the largest reason behind this market share decrease is the microprocessor within automotive side. And of course, half of that would be short-term reasons, in other words, FX, et cetera. But then the remaining half of the reason actually really comes from this capability of our side, which did impact our market share. And I did mention in the earnings result that when we -- there's always this 5 or 7 years' time lag before we find anything show in our market share. So that means whatever we do, for example, right now, it doesn't mean we'd be able to see that visibly in increasing our market share in like next year or in 2 years from now, but we certainly are preparing ourselves so that in the end, we will be able to show you with a higher market share. Now on a short-term perspective, again, I talked about margin. I mean, related to the financial model that I mentioned earlier, but again, it's not that we're going to be pursuing that margin point per se because that means price point, it's going to be difficult for us to really thrive in the competitive landscape. So pricing, we do want to be flexible. But that also would mean -- it's going to be important that we work on cost reduction. So this means that we're going to work so that we'll be able to reduce COGS and the overall cost as well. So that's really going to be a very important initiative. And it is something that we've already started to implement. And we do want to make sure we'd be able to show you the results as soon as possible, at the same time, making the specs of the products. I did -- I know there was -- we talked about how there seems to have been a mismatch versus what we found in the market. So we're trying to address that and by working more on that, we do believe we should be able to improve ourselves. For example, responding to EV market needs ahead. And the final part is about digitalization. So in the near term, it's not exactly about this large base digital years, but it's really about AI or tool. How do term the offerings there is going to be important. And again, that is what something that you'll hear more from Vivek for more details. So with that -- so again, MCU, we have to certainly work more on this. That's true. But again, something that I did mention in earnings results that I'm not that pessimistic in that sense. Because this design in progress, if you look at this, I think I'd be able to share with you my take or my observation. That's why I included this slide in my deck. So left hand shows automotive, right-hand shows industrial infrastructure, IoT, the design and track record. And so up until 2022, this is something that we've already introduced to you, but the 2023 result is something that we have here, and it's exactly what you see. So automotive, we're able to make 50% growth year-over-year. And for IoT, we were able to create 30% growth. So that's a good growth. Now automotive, of course, this is something that I did. I have been saying from before. It really depends on whether or not we have large order, and that does sort of impact the growth you people define. So like you see on like 2021, it doesn't mean we'd always be able to see this leaner growth. That's not quite easy to forecast. But then, if you be able to look at this trajectory all the way from 2019 and onwards or in 2020, you can see that we have actually been able to mark growth overall, especially in this last 12 months, compared to the year before, we have been able to show quite a good increase. So again, this contribution is supposed to show in more longer term, like in a trend 5-year trend, it's not something that really shows in this more the tangible performance immediately. But you can see that what we're doing is really good and it's going to be supportive for our future revenue and our profit growth. So that was a quick introduction. So today, it's more like an update than giving you a message from CEO, but again, here's my summary. So I believe looking at back at this 5 years, I think we've been able to make good progress, not just in terms of our numerical performance, but I think we've been able to make good progress in other areas as well, and at the moment. So again, today's underlying theme is really about thinking of the growth into the next 5 to 10 years. And it's really about making sure we have this concrete foundation for that. And so that's really the main point today. And to do this at -- by doing what we say that we'd be in -- that will enable us to enjoy sustained long-term growth. So I know I'm over my amount of time. But from here, I'd like to ask Buvna. Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much. Next, Vice President of Software & Digitalization Head, Buvna Ayyagari will present.

Buvna Ayyagari

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Thank you. Hello, everyone. Good morning. My name is Buvna Ayyagari. I head the Software & Digitalization division. In this next section, I will present some information about this division related to digitalization as well as our vision, strategy, some near-term and long-term goals. Next slide, please. So let me first start with our vision to set the context for the rest of the presentation. We are in an era of insatiable appetite for compute. There's an explosion of a number of electronic devices, be it in automotive, industrial infrastructure or IT. The other shift that we're seeing that's happening in the ecosystem is that in systems design, there is an increasing shift to what was previously larger focus on mechanical-based design to electronics design. On top of that, there are a lot of new entrants into the systems design work contributing to increasing number of electronic devices. And that electronic system design is growing in complexity. For these new entrants that don't already have big investments in system designs, there's a lot upfront effort to build the know-how for electronic system design. And at the same time, to establish larger enterprises, there is an increased pressure for reviewing their time to market and for lowering risks of design iterations. Our vision is to lower the barrier to electronics design to make it more accessible to the broader market, to bring more integration and automation into a platform so that we can enable more innovations. At Renesas, we aspire to do this by building a platform that will bring together electronic system design as well as life cycle management, and we plan to do this together with Altium. With this integrated platform, some of the challenging aspects of electronic system design and life cycle management will be addressed. By making a platform where the process flows, the data flows are well connected and available in one time, this will make it easier for our users to build electronic systems. Next slide, please. Now to accomplish this vision, we decided to partner with Altium. How do these 2 seemingly different solutions fit together, a hardware engineering company and a software company. Well, let me tell you, Renesas is a leader in MCUs with a large footprint. We also have one of the broadest product portfolios for our industrial infrastructure and IoT. Our growing library of over 400 winning combinations targeting different application enable customers to build their electronic systems more efficiently. Renesas also has a strong presence in the industry with an intimate knowledge of customer requirements and relationships with enterprises and a workforce with expertise to support them. Combined with all of this, Renesas has the financial capacity for bolt-on acquisitions to continue to build towards this vision. Now if you look over on the Altium side, they bring the industry's leading system platforms. Octopart is a leading electronics parts search platform. Altium 365 is a growing choice for a cloud-based collaboration platform. Altium also brings a strong workforce well versed in PCB design with Altium Designer, which is a leading PCB software provider in the industry. Together these lay a strong foundation to execute the vision and I will tell you more in upcoming slides. Next slide, please. So let me take a step back and explain where all of this fits in the overall electronic system landscape. So this slide here shows a very simplified depiction of the electronic systems design world. Starting from the left, system design typically begins with the definition of the product in the form of capturing requirements. These will then translate into an architecture definition for the system that is then spawned off to break it down into multiple subsystems. Multiple plants may take up these subsystems, which then need to be brought together on a Board or multiple ports. These are then sent off to be manufactured and assembled and tested for a final product. Now this is a chronic system designed recap in 30 seconds, very simplified view, but to make a few points. If you look closer at this ecosystem, a lot of evolution has happened in some parts of the landscape. For example, let's take the case of EDA. EDA has completely revolutionized the way chips are designed and verified. From the early days of design where chip designers had to hand-draw gates to now where large ships with trillions of transistors can be synthesized, placed and routed by abstracting the design into a high-level description language. Can you imagine this evolution might have been or not been if we were still hand drawing gates for design of the size, a lot of evolution there. Another area, as an example, is 3D packaging, where there's been lot of innovation in the recent past. Now despite these examples and the evolution in maturing of the semiconductor and electronic system design space, the pace of evolution has not touched all parts of the ecosystem in the same way. The parts that I have here shaded in blue remain largely disconnected many ecosystems. This is the area that we're focusing on, and I'll tell you more about it. Next slide, please. Now with that context, let us double quick into the electronics design and life cycle management from a user or a customer perspective. I talked about the complexity of system design. Now let me give some specific elements there. One challenge is a number of platforms, software, pads, CAE tools, data formats, data processes that are involved in building an electronic system. There are multiple flavors of cloud and security choices as well. And then with the growing amount of software and focus on a software-first approach, the ability to co-design, co-optimize software with hardware continues to be a key requirement. But then, how to connect all of this to PCB design and system simulations? Co-design is required here as well to avoid design and fabrication iterations. Not only are these iterations expensive, but they also take more time. What about traceability? The pandemic has taught us the importance of supply chain assurance and life cycle management and the need to have traceability from discovery and sourcing of the parts all the way to end-of-life life cycle management. Today, these solutions exist as a set of disconnected islands and is largely up to the user to bridge these islands in order to build their products. Next slide, please. So this is what drove our vision for a solution that is a connected digitalization platform, one that integrates electronic system design as well as life cycle management. This will provide the ability to have components, discovery, sourcing, PCB design, simulation, fabrication, BOM management, life cycle management all in one connected platform, that is the vision. Now you may ask, some of the solutions already exist today and are pretty mature in the industry. Why do you need a platform for this? Well, the idea is not to reinvent the wheel. Yes, there are many mature solutions that already exist and are available today. Rather than develop new solutions, the goal here is to partner with these existing solution providers and integrate them into the platform. Again, the vision is to provide connectivity and integration into a single digital platform such that the user has the capability to bridge these different islands all in one platform. By combining the strengths of Altium and Renesas, our vision is to build a platform that connects and bridges these islands so that the semiconductor industry can build innovative products better, faster and more efficiently. Next slide, please. So the digitalization platform will bring together electronic system design and life cycle management. That is the vision. Now let me spend a few minutes on the first part there, which is electronic system design. If you look at it from a customer lens, the biggest challenges in electronic system design, the longest poles, if you will, can be categorized into these 3 buckets. From left to right, these are software PCB design. And when I talk about software, I'm not talking about the CAE software, but rather the software that runs on the hardware, the PCB design and simulation. Now in embedded software, while the industry has evolved quite a bit, there's a lot of software maturity and evolution that has happened and the software modules at different layers of the software stack are available. It is still a lot of effort for a customer to integrate these modules for a full SDK, or software development kit, for a particular application. On top of it, the customer or the user has to further test this integrated SDK for their specific use cases. Now co-design and co-optimization of software and hardware requires the ability to iterate on choices in real time, i.e., virtually. The design pillar should include the ability to assess choices for components by simulating them for different performance metrics. And finally, another challenge is a simulation of these hardware and software system level choices and iterations to be able to evaluate the persist level metrics before finalizing the design, visualize this that in hardware, we're making -- the user is making different choices and correspondingly is able to obtain the integrated software or at least majority of it, say, 75% of it, all in the same platform while they're iterating and making different choices on the hardware and software simultaneously in the same platform. This is the idea here which is to build a digital platform where we can enable and address all 3 of these pillars in the connected platform. So grand vision, how does the user actually benefit from it? Let's look at that. So from a user perspective, this is a single platform to assess, evaluate, build and simulate systems, which, of course, is going to provide them ease of use. Previously, they would have to go to multiple platforms and multiple data formats, multiple CAE CAD tools to do all of this. Now they get all of that in a single platform, ease of use. Also, the development time because they have the ability to do this all in a single platform, the development time is significantly reduced. Now if this vision is realized the way we're thinking about it, then the other side effect or benefit is going to be that we can do all of these iterations in a digital platform. So all the explorations, all the iterations, all the choices, the simulations, evaluating different options, all of that can be done digitally, virtually on this platform before anything physical is actually built. That reduces risk of finding bugs and issues on a physical system. And it also reduces costly iterations. And finally, we plan to bring automation into this platform in a manner that abstracts the design level. And with this, users are no longer required to know all the details of the underlying IP, their configurations, the CAD tools, and all of the other elements to bring a system design together. With these layers of abstraction and automation, the barrier to develop is significantly lower. So those are the benefits to the user. Next slide, please. So where are we today? Honestly, very early in our journey. Today, we have a cloud-based platform called Quick-Connect Studio, which you might have heard about or read about at last month's embedded world. Quick-Connect Studio has the ability for a graphical drag-and-drop system design, thus abstracting the design process. Through this platform, the user can iterate between different component choices, Renesas devices as well as our partners devices before building cohort. So as I mentioned before, visualize a platform where you're dragging and dropping different electronic components to build your system, and in real time, in the same platform, the software that's going to run on those components is dynamically adapting being modified to match the hardware. On top of it, within the same platform, the user can then modify, customize the SDK, the software and even write their own application software on top of it, all within the man platform. Today, we support not just Renesas components on this platform, but also those of our partners. The number of partners and their devices that are starting to come on board, this platform is growing, and we are working on automating the process of onboarding Renesas partner devices. And finally, this system built on a digital platform can also be connected to a remote bold farm. So the user can iterate on component choices, customize the software, generate a complete SDK and run it on a real system, on a real board in a remote farm somewhere all from within the platform and then make any changes that are required and go back and do these iterations, all in the digital platform. Next slide, please. So we are very early in our journey here of bringing this vision to fruition. There is a lot more to iron out once the acquisition of Altium closes. I would like to wrap up by sharing with you some early thoughts and plans towards executing this vision. So if you look at those charts here from left to right again, Horizon 1, which is in the next 1 to 2 years, we will launch the electronic system design and life cycle management platform. Now it's not going to be the final version, it will not have all the elements that I described on previous slides, it will not have all the bells and whistles, but the initial platform will be launched, and we will continue to build the various features into this platform. The goal is to start by integrating requirements management, subsistent sourcing and importing the components into the platform. The platform will also be enriched with third-party support for existing solutions. As I mentioned in the previous slide, the goal is not to reinvent existing solutions that are already there and mature in the industry, but rather to partner with them to see how we can onboard them onto this platform. And this is going to be prioritized based on our alpha and beta customers that we're engaging with and their prioritization. We will also bring more automation to the design processes so as to abstract electronic system designed to a higher level. A little farther out, say, in the next 2 to 5 years, our focus will be on continuing to grow the number of designer seats, and wider adoption of this digital platform. The focus is going to be on broader penetration into the mass market with the goal of essentially improving overall user experience by addressing some of the challenges that are outlined earlier in the slide deck. Through the digital platform, users will experience a connected platform for electronics design and simulation, making it easier, lowering the barrier to designing electronic systems. And finally, our Horizon 3, which is 5 to 7 years out, is to have this connected platform, integrating electronic system design and life cycle management. And that brings me to the end of my presentation. Thank you.

Unknown Executive

executive
#5

Thank you very much. Next, we will ask Mr. Shuhei Shinkai, Executive Director and CFO, to give us the finance presentation.

Shuhei Shinkai

executive
#6

Hello, everyone. This is Shuhei Shinkai, CFO. So in this finance part, I'd like to talk more about this aspiration of market cap sixfold. And what is going to be our high priority OpEx, finance model as well as capital allocation. So first of all, we have some of the financial highlights of 2023, and I have some more several index here. So left-hand side shows this peak and trough. In other words, revenue and gross margin. Compared to the past, we have been able to decrease the volatility amount. Now for example, for revenue from its peak to the trough, the gap is approximately 10%. And of course, there's been some benefit from weaker again. But then even if we exclude FX impact, we're not far off at all from our peers' performance. In addition, as for gross margin, the gap is 2.6%. Now here, we don't really find any currency impact. At any rate, compared to the past and compared to our peers, we have been able to mark a very good superior result. It's really about understanding the demand trend and being able to proactively engage with our customers at an early stage, being able to proactively work with the supply chain to make an adjustment. So we have been able to keep up with the changes so that we'd be able to avoid any risk. Also on the right-hand side, we have non-GAAP EPS. So even during the down cycle, financially speaking, we have been able to focus on the bottom line growth. And in 2023, we've been able to mark 20% growth vis-a-vis last year. Next slide, please. Now here -- so again, we're trying to make a 6x increase in the market cap. And here, we're trying to break it down. So it's about doubling our scale, which is shown on horizontal axis and tripling valuation, which is shown on the vertical axis. And at the end of 2023, the market cap, compared to 2022 average, we've been able to double it. And what composes that is shown on the left, so 1.5x coming from scale, 1.3x possibly confirm valuation, and to do this, these actions that we did in 2023, something that we're still doing in 2024 are what you find on the right-hand side. And for example, it's about increasing scale. For example, investing on in-house MCU production capacity or investing on power discrete production capacity or power SiC capability acquisition. So that's the A part. And then also in the middle, we have this valuation gap, so B1. And I did show you some of the figures before, but it's really about down cycle management, especially around inventory control. And we've also started a dividend payout. In other words, we have been able to make progress in terms of shareholder return. For the B2 part, this is something that we still do have a lot to do, but it's really about multiple expansion. For example, the very important journey was the digitalization, it's about Altium acquisition. So we do believe each of these activities as to 2030 operation, we've been able to make some progress. And from here, I'd like to talk about more mid- to long-term topics. So if you look at the middle and bold farms, in other words, what are your figures for 2023, it's been adjusted, meaning using the currency rate JYP 100 versus U.S. dollar and JYP 120 versus euro, that's the number that we continuously use. And we only look at the business that we've continuously been doing. And so as you can see, the adjusted revenue, that's JYP 1,164.8 billion, gross margin 57%, operating margin 32%. So that's the result for 2023. On the right-hand side, we show the midterm model. Mr. Shibata did talk about gross margin, operating margin, we decided to just take out the bottom limit, so that's a minor update. But even during down cycle, the intention is to make sure that we'd be able to operate within this model. As for the revenue growth, just like you see this check mark from 2019, we have been able to mark a positive result versus SAM and gross margin, operating margin. Likewise, we've been able to achieve the model. Next slide, please. So as we head towards 2030, what kind of revenue growth are we expecting? So we're trying to achieve more than $20 billion by 2030. And the drivers for the sales growth is something that we have plotted in this bar chart. So we have 3 that we have circled. So within the vertical segment, it's about ADAS, EV and infrastructure. So these are the 3 areas where we expect for the revenue to grow -- to drive growth. And we also have the forecast for the segment's growth as well as these 4 growth drivers on the right-hand chart. And again, for details, I'm sure you'll be able to hear more from each of the leaders of the business unit, but the growth rate for each segment just like what we have been saying from before, we're trying to see automotive grow in line with SAM, but then industry infrastructure, IoT, we're expecting for more growth in SAM. And for automotive, we want to have scalable product groups, but then especially for ADAS areas, we're trying to make sure that we'd be able to enhance convenience through software and EV, MCU, Analog & Power, and ADAS, from silicon to wide band gap, so it's really about covering a wide portfolio. That's the strategy. For industrial infrastructure, IoT, it's really about enhancing you so that we'll be able to expand the application where we'd be able to serve. And of course, this certainly is the part where we have synergy from Altium. For infrastructure, this is really about power integration. It's really about capturing this very robust demand growth. Next slide please. Next is our margin model. So midterm model is exactly what I showed in the previous slide. So here, I'd like to talk in a little more long-term range our thoughts behind the long-term range. So on the top, we have the gross margin. So it's not that we're going to just keep on finding this growth in gross margin every day, but it's really about keeping a good balance. That's our approach. So on a short-term basis. So it takes more time. So as we go into, right. And so first of all, in the short-term, it's really going to be increase coming from us industry -- industrial infrastructure, IoT, together with the market recovery. It's also going to be recovery of the total mix. And it's going to be better utilization. And on the mid- to long-term, it's going to be about power or discrete. And this includes amortization -- depreciation amortization cost, which is going to be impacting minus the total mix. And we're also going to be decreasing the management cost by trying to integrate some of the production technology, it's really about one of the advantages we'll be able to get from scale advantage. And also for mid- to long-term for high-performance computing and embedded, we should be able to enhance the production mix of the foundry side. In other words, on the long-term basis, it's pretty much going to be flattish from where we are today. We also show operating margin below. So OpEX would be reduced. And it's not exactly perhaps a reduction, but it's really, it's been like scalability, which is going to enable us to see proportionately OpEx decline. SG&A, I know it's been taking time, but it's really about what kind of synergy will be able to enjoy groups integration. For R&D, it's really about optimizing the cost benefit through selection and concentration. And through sales growth, we should be able to grow operating margin. So in other words, we have 3 things on the right-hand side. So again, we're going to put emphasis on growth -- revenue growth, and that's how we're going to control the margin. And we're also going to make sure we'd be able to strive more efficiency, so that we'd be able to enjoy a more scale merit. And it's really about striking for more operating leverage. Next slide, please. And that is our capital allocation policy. So here, we have our capital allocation policy for the time being after Altium acquisition. So you see all these blocks. CapEx deleverage dividend, as well as strategic investments. So that's going to be the order where you find it coming. And of course, strategic investment would include M&A or some buybacks that we'd be doing in agile manner. So for our capital expenditure, it's really going to be investing mainly about power discrete, where our own production is going to be the main part. And here, we're trying to make sure that we'll be able to, on average, find 5% growth in revenue. The leverage is about Altium acquisition financing, but we're trying to achieve net leverage at one time within 3 years. The dividend we started small from this year, so that we'd be able to continuously offer dividend payout. And from here, we're trying to make sure we'd be able to show you a higher level of payout. And specifically, it's really about total payout ratio, which would include dividend and buybacks. But we're trying to do step by step increase this level to more than 30% of the free cash flow. Next slide, please. And so again, about Altium acquisition, what is going to be the time frame in creating value? So in [ Luminar's ] part, we talked about digitalization journey. And so here, we're trying to look at this from a finance perspective. And so from Day 1, we're going to start our deleveraging activity. And again, like I mentioned earlier, our target is to achieve net leverage under 1x within 3 years. Of course, this component is exactly the same thing that we've been seeing in our previous large M&As. And next about synergy [ one ]. And again, it's another -- the same components that we showed you within our previous major M&As, except that this time, we're expecting it's going to take a little more, and it's going to start with cost synergy. This is because right after acquisition, there's going to be the cost that would no longer be necessary, especially the costs that's associated with keeping the company listed. There's also some of the savings that we'll be able to achieve by utilizing Renesas resource. That is the revenue synergy, by having Altium joining the larger group, we'd be able to increase the investment that would go into this entity, which would accelerate revenue growth. We are going to keep the arms-length relationship between Altium and Renesas, On the other hand, the synergies, we do believe should both would start to materialize. And we expect that the synergies should really become really tangible within the 6 years, and that's really going to be the time when payback period would end. And with that, we'd be able to structure platform, which is exactly our digitalization vision, so that we'd be able to materialize creating value creation. So the very, very top part is a full upside. And on the right-hand side, we have 3 points. And compared to the past M&A, it is true that it is going to take a little more long-time frame because it has to deal with the difference in the pack that we have software. And we're also trying to maintain this arms-length relationship. But then when we look at the content of synergy as well as the actions to create synergy, it's really not much different from anything that we've been doing in our past major M&As. And so it's exactly where we'd be able to enjoy our previous track record. And so the -- if we be able to create this deleverage, cost synergy, revenue synergy, then we -- we'll be able to see the upside. Next slide, please. And so again, this is the model housekeeping. So again, we have decided to just raise off the bottom range. Otherwise, it's the same. And so again, here, we're trying to make sure that we'll be able to scale up this service space that creates this sixfold. And I think we've been able to show you some progress in 2023, but it is something that we want to keep on working. And some of the more recent action items is something that you see on the right-hand side. So, a, it would be about maximizing our scale benefit; b-1, valuation gap filling. There are still room for improvement. And so it means that we need to go a step further into each of these activities; b-2 is -- again, the closing is yet to come, but after Altium acquisition, after we've been able to complete that, we should be able to really exercise the framework of synergy creating. And I'm sure -- I'm sure I'll be able to update you about the progress in our future meetings, but thank you very much.

Operator

operator
#7

[Operator Instructions] First, Goldman Sachs, Takayama-san.

Daiki Takayama

analyst
#8

Very interesting presentation. I have two questions. My first question is regarding the software strategy. For existing Renesas customers, I believe that you'll be rolling this out to the existing customers going forward. What has been the reaction from the customers? Has it been a positive feedback? And what will be the applications that these software will be introduced first? I'm sure that depending on the applications, some will be easy, some will be difficult. And so it will not be just the Altium's midsized customers, but also the larger customers that Renesas has. So I believe that you'll be targeting lots of your customer base. So my first question is regarding the feedback or reaction from the customers or where you'll be starting first? That will be the first question.

Unknown Executive

executive
#9

Well, it's too early to tell, to be frank. So there are some new things that we still have to decide and take action on. But at this moment in time, regarding what Buvna presented, this is providing what we have been providing to customers in bits and pieces in a more unified platform, including third-party e solutions. So it's more about our existing clients using our existing ingredients. So from the customer's perspective, we expect that they will say visibility has improved significantly. Now going forward, with Altium, as we provide a more integrated platform, it's -- we really don't know the reaction from the customers because we're still 2 different companies. We're not able to provide an integrated platform at this moment. But in terms of the ecosystem, we have a lot of positive expectations. And even though it's still early days, we are already in offers to partner or collaborate and those kinds of negotiations are already starting. So I need to be careful with my wording, but my image is that user base who were not able to fully utilize electronics system design in the past. So countries who are already quite advanced in electronic system design or users who are already very fluent and use these kinds of electronic system design. We are actually targeting customers who are not that. So one example was India. So we're targeting customers who are not very experienced in electronic system design or customers who have been outsourcing most of electronic system design. For those customers, we hope that they will feel that this is so easy to use that they are able to in-house that rather than outsource. So once again, this is something that we will start going forward. So this is more about the future. So there are 2 initiatives that we are working on, and this may have been back there in your mind. But it's a different time frame and different set of initiatives.

Daiki Takayama

analyst
#10

Understood. And my second question, I'd like to ask about the financial impact. So I believe that it will be integral to the valuation improvement going forward. But from our perspectives, how can we judge, how the valuation will improve. So the current digitalization strategy, you'll be able to retain more customers to make it more sticky to the customers. And in terms of the profitability, a more user-friendly software it will make your products more attractive and base the margin or prices, or maybe you have more users of Renesas products, and that will be adding to both revenue and profit. So what will be the logic behind the valuation contribution financially? What are your expectations regarding this strategy?

Unknown Executive

executive
#11

Well, I think we need to look at a longer time frame. But one angle that was not mentioned was volatility. By increasing recurring revenue. Financially, we can reduce volatility, we can reduce beta. That is one positive impact that we are expecting, because the volatility is quite large. And from the top management point of view, predictability is very important in finance. And having predictability means that we are able to tackle more initiatives. Now we do have to be a bit reactive to the market volatility, but we would like to reduce that. And if we're able to take action as planned, then that will be a positive reflection on financial performance.

Daiki Takayama

analyst
#12

Understood.

Operator

operator
#13

Now moving on to the next question, which will be from BofA Securities, Hirakawa-san.

Mikio Hirakawa

analyst
#14

BofA. My name is Hirakawa. Three questions. First question is on a digitalization were part of semiconductor supply chain sounds a great strategy. And during the briefing of Altium acquisition a few months ago, it was interesting that [ Shibata-san ] addressed that, [ Schneider ] is a benchmark company in terms of this -- there actually a question is that do you think this -- this analogy, like digitalization capital [ chapter ] market is varied for the semiconductor area as well? And then also, how do you see competitive Renesas cluster in PCB design versus disbursed instrumental' business in [ cement ] and others if that the [indiscernible] is valid? Are you able to hear me?

Unknown Executive

executive
#15

We heard you, but you spoke in the Japanese channel. What are better for me to speak in Japanese. I'm not very sure about this logistics here. Buvna, were you able to hear the English question?

Buvna Ayyagari

executive
#16

Yes, I was.

Unknown Executive

executive
#17

Okay. So can you take the question. Address your question?

Buvna Ayyagari

executive
#18

So the question was 2 parts. There was some noise. I'm not quite sure as well, but they were two parts to the question. One was about the PCB design and the competition there. The second part of the question was your analogy Shibata-san in your previous presentation where you talked about Schneider. And to elaborate on the similarities there. Yes, please. So I can address the first part of your question, which is about PCB design competition. So yes, Altium is one of the leading PCB software design houses. The Altium 365, which is a new collaboration platform is actually pretty unique, in the way it's architected. So it is meant to provide collaboration across design teams and across electronic system design across multiple areas. So the way we are planning on utilizing this, and I have to say, again, what Shibata-san had mentioned before, which is that it's -- the acquisition hasn't closed yet. So this is more of an idea and a vision that we have, is to essentially use that platform to start bringing in some of the elements of electronics system design and the life cycle management all together in one digital platform. So we believe that this is an area that is actually a gap in the industry. So if you recall the slide that I've shown about the landscape of electronic system design and had shaded in blue, the part that we play in. That's actually a gap in the sense that the solutions exist, but they're not connected, they're disjointed and they're different platforms, they're different software, they're different data formats and process formats were connecting those. Our belief is that, that is a gap and our customers will benefit very much if we can address that gap by those in that digital platform. So that's where we plan to play in. And again, keep in mind, these are ideas. This is a vision; acquisition hasn't closed yet. But that is the idea. And I don't believe a solution similar to that exists in the ecosystem today.

Unknown Executive

executive
#19

So that was part of the question.

Mikio Hirakawa

analyst
#20

Yes. Yes.

Unknown Executive

executive
#21

And data question, Buvna the analogy between Schneider's case versus our vision here?

Buvna Ayyagari

executive
#22

Yes, that was the second part of the question about how you had outlined yes. Do you want to take that, Shibata-san?

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#23

No, it's a question, I guess, you.

Buvna Ayyagari

executive
#24

Okay. So again, it's very early to really talk about this because the acquisition hasn't closed, and both Renesas and Altium are on our own paths of digitalization prior to the acquisition. So if you look at the perspective from Renesas customers. Again, I've show on a slide that the long pull, the biggest challenges from Renesas customers from semiconductor customers. The biggest challenges are really how do you consume these electronic components to build a system design more efficiently? So how can you do it better? How can you do it faster? How can you do it with less risk? How can you reduce the time to market? Those are some of the challenges. In the context again of Renesas customers, if you look at it, if they are looking at how do we get? Can I get optimizations and iterations in the hardware software co-optimization without having to spin multiple physical boards. So that is one path for digitalization. And then on the Altium side, if you look at it, their primary focus has been Altium Designer, which is a PCB design software. But also this collaboration platform that I'm talking about. So the analogy there is that -- the idea is to start bringing more and more applications, more and more of these customer challenges to start connecting them into one platform, so that a user does not have to go in and out of multiple systems, multiple data formats, multiple software, et cetera, in order to be able to complete a system design. And now that involves also life cycle management because it's not a one system done and it's over. So there is the process of life cycle management there. So if you bring these 2 concepts together, the analogy, I would say, at a very high level with the Schneider situation is essentially to have a platform, a digital platform, a software platform where you -- I guess the word I could use it maybe tuck-in, that where you integrate all of these apps so that from a customer perspective, as one integrated platform with all of these applications underneath that enable them to do their electronic system design faster, more efficiently.

Operator

operator
#25

Next question. UBS, Kenji Yasui-san.

Kenji Yasui

analyst
#26

I'm Kenji Yasui from UBS. I have 2 questions. My first question is regarding Altium once again. At the time of the announcing the acquisition, 20,000 was, I think the customer number for Altium. Considering Renesas, how many account customer does Renesas have? And what is the overlap with Altium? And if -- I'd like to ask about the potential market size. I'm sure it's huge. But if you add up Renesas and Altium, what will be your market share? If you could give a ballpark number, a rough number, that would be very much appreciated. My second question. I think Shinkai-san you talked about payback period of 6 years. So JPY 900 billion divided by 6 are going to JPY [ 50 billion ]. So the revenue size is I think JPY 40 billion. So I don't really understand the logic behind the 6-year payback period. So what are you trying to achieve through these 6 years?

Unknown Executive

executive
#27

Thank you. So I'd like to ask Shinkai-san to respond to [indiscernible] questions.

Shuhei Shinkai

executive
#28

For the first question regarding the customer size, customer base. There are some information restrictions. So I'm not able to talk about everything, but I don't think there's much overlap. That's what I can say. And regarding the payback period regarding our definition, we're looking at the return from investments to be over our cost of capital. So the return to be above our cost of capital, that is where we see the payback period because everything from there will be above our cost of capital.

Kenji Yasui

analyst
#29

If I could ask a follow-up question. Regarding the cost of [indiscernible] may depend on the definition or whether [indiscernible] or cost of capital? If you can give me a rough indicator, please.

Shuhei Shinkai

executive
#30

To give you the rough indicator, I'd say 8%. Investment is USD 6 billion, so $6 billion, 8%. So $480 million run rate after-tax cash flow. That is the calculation.

Kenji Yasui

analyst
#31

That's very clear.

Unknown Executive

executive
#32

In terms of the investment return, that's very difficult. Every time we get this question, it's very challenging because we believe that there are still pieces of the puzzle that we need for growth, and that is how we decided on the Altium acquisition. So at the bare minimum, as Shinkai-san mentioned, we need to achieve returns or margins above lock. And here, we look at some to the medium term, as I think Yasui-san you asked before about ROIC, how we look at ROIC. And so we need to go to that higher level discussion in the future. But at this time, we don't have sufficient resources to simply achieve organic growth, and we still need acquisitions. Going forward, we don't plan to do many multibillion acquisitions, but JPY 1 billion or JPY 2 billion kind of a bolt-on acquisition is something that we need to continue to engage in. And so we will have a similar perspective regarding the investment and returns for these bolt-on acquisitions and maybe we can go to a higher level in the future.

Operator

operator
#33

Now moving on to the next question. Citigroup Securities, Fujiwara-san.

藤原 毅郎

analyst
#34

This is Fujiwara from Citigroup Securities. I have a major question relating to your indeed views regarding the India market. Over the mid- to long-term, you have a target of a -- range of 10% to 15% as a revenue target, contribution from India. So currently, you have a revenue size, or you want to launch a revenue size of over JPY 200 billion immediately with India. So how to interpret this? What is your aiming for? Is it the application? What is your target market in India? And of course, you have existing partners in India for they to invest as test they invest that in India, are you going to capture those demand? And obviously, you said that you're going to increase your head count in India. So why the necessary type of personnel that you're looking for in India, what kind of personnel do you think is needed in a year in order to achieve your aspirations? Of course, this is something that I don't have in my mind, but in the human resource market, what is necessary for you for you to win those talents? If you can comment on that, that would be appreciated.

Unknown Executive

executive
#35

All right. Yes. We are not focusing on what is called a transfer business. Local business is our focus and therefore, basically Indian customers. Indian affiliate and enterprises, we would like to drive the growth here and thereby achieve revenue expansion at Renesas. That's the main thing that we are going to address. So what kind of allocations are we looking at? Actually, the focus area of ours will still be the same, I think, in India. So it's not going to be significantly different from our overall focus. But within the segments, if things are remarkably complex, for example, if there's a market like Japan or the United States, perhaps we would like to introduce something more simplified in India, at least that will be needed at least for the time being. I think it could be easy to understand case would be EVs. The auto markets works increased significantly in India. So it's going to still be a very important market there. But in India, the 2 wheels those are now being -- becoming electronic increasingly. So electrification is happening there. So in the Automotive segment, it's not remarkably different in India with -- versus other markets, but those are motorcycles, the price point difference and also the spend is different. So the competitive landscape is quite different. So those will be the target initial white book in industrial, I think the same applies. So, in Japan, the white goods compared -- that is what we use in Japan compared to them, I think what we would like to offer in India will be more simply for, but we don't see a significant change in the basic requirements between Japan versus India, for example. Right now, many electronics, Taiwan or China, those suppliers, timely suppliers are taking care of those needs. But we -- we'd rather like to facilitate Indian customers to internalize those productions. So we look to drive that transition. And thereby expand the pie that we can address. That's a major theme that we are going to go after. So then what kind of talents will be needed in order to achieve this target? The education in the talent market in India. If you look at that, the securing R&D and talents will be very competitive because we have to compete against many other competitors. But there's plenty of resources available in India, be it hardware, software, the R&D personnel talent in India. There are plenty number of people. So how to secure the most excellent one is the question there. Then the bigger challenge would be from the perspective of developing the right business, the leadership or the management class will be more important. So within India, we would like to secure the necessary human resources or maybe promote the existing human resources that we already have in India, especially those Indian people who are active in outside markets rather than India, I think the change that we are witnessing in India right now is different from what has happened in the past. So then Mike want to go back to India, and I think you are also feeling the same that these are -- this is the trend that we are witnessing right now. So including all these potential talents, we would like to develop a sticker management class. We're not really worried about the R&D, human resources because we have a lot of recruiting cloud programs in my mind, including the university approaches. So if we do things properly, we shall be able to secure the necessary R&D people. So the more important challenge will be to establish management class. So we are already starting making efforts there. So we'll try to make progress there, overcoming challenges.

Operator

operator
#36

Next Yamasaki-san from Nomura Securities.

Masaya Yamasaki

analyst
#37

This is Yamasaki from Nomura. I'd like to ask about power. I'm sure that there will be a more detailed business presentation later. But from the corporate side, I'd like to ask a few questions regarding power. In Shinkai-san presentation, you talked about these are growth potential. And it was just one against the market. It used to be 2 pluses rather than 1-plus in the previous slot. So maybe you are studying down on the EV-related growth expectations. And you talked about the dilutive impact on the margin. And so as long as it's not below the 55% level, you will still be stepping up on the automotive EV. And also regarding this industry, there are many companies that have subsidies. And so unless you win the subsidies, it may be quite difficult to win in the competition. So how do you think that you'll be able to get these subsidies? So I'd like to ask about your overall strategy regarding the power business.

Unknown Executive

executive
#38

So let me first turn to Shinkai-san regarding your question, and then I would like to elaborate.

Shuhei Shinkai

executive
#39

Regarding power and growth of EV. So is it going to be single digit or double-digit growth, there may be some difference, but we have not basically changed our outlook. We plan to and expect to achieve a tougher growth going forward. And we are making various investments in preparation for that. But it is also true that in terms of the margin, although the mix, we need to be quite careful, and looking at the impact. On the other hand, by managing costs and investments and the payback timing, we can make various efforts on that front to promote growth, while managing the margin at a high level. This is the financial perspective on power. So power and SiC strategy. Let me know if my understanding is correct. I don't think for SiC subsidies are making such a big difference, but in China side. So China is a different market. But aside from China, it's higher. I don't think the other players are developing new forms that is been funded by subsidies. In some cases, for constructing plants or the fabs major announcements were made. But actually, since then, many have been withdrawn or canceled. So I don't think subsidies will make such a decisive difference in this market. On the other hand, from our perspective, wide-band gap, we would like to provide the full portfolio and [Foreign Language] and we would like to provide the solution to customers. So we will like to obtain a certain scale, but it's not that we are going to be growing that, endlessly. Is that we want to grow the business, but we don't plan to make this a dominant volume. So corporate target, 55%. We do not think that the growth in power would threaten this kind of a 55% margin target. So -- we -- on the other hand, we're not saying that for the power 50, power discrete, we may be under 55% margin. We're not saying that we sell the product without achieving a 55% margin. Based on the market competition, we will be lower than 55% margin. But if power grows to be too big, then it could be distributed to the margin. So -- but we do not think that it will have such a significant impact on the margin or that it will such a dominant size. Now looking at our footprint, we're currently in SiC 6-inch. But going forward, of course, we will be expanding to 8-inch at some time in the future, we'll be migrating. And for GaN. 8-inch discussion was obviously to extent. And some 2 vendors are saying that -- they will be launching 12-inch tools in the near future. So if you look at our footprint for 8-inch, we already have or 2 locations, so it will be converted to wideband gap. And for the 12-inch, Kofu silicon floor, and then there is a separate floor that will be available. So it's not like we're going to be investing heavily in greenfield rather we're able to control the depreciation cost. And using our existing facilities, we are able to ramp up our production. So again, I don't think that subsidies will be that critical. Sorry for my long-winded answer. But in providing our solution, SiC and GaN are both very important. This is something that we can cover with our product footprints. And we do not believe that it would be a dominant portion of our company-wide revenue. So even if the margin -- the gross margin is lower than the company average as a whole, the company can control all the margin. That is the concept behind the management. Thank you very much.

Operator

operator
#40

We are still receiving some other questions, but we have already reached the scheduled time. So we'd like to finish the Q&A session for the first part of this meeting next juncture.

Operator

operator
#41

We'll be hearing from Bobby Matinpour, our Senior Vice President, CFO and Head of Sales and Marketing Group. So Bob, over to you.

Bobby Matinpour

executive
#42

Hi, everyone. I'm Bobby Matinpour, Head of Global Sales and Marketing at Renesas. In my presentation, I'm going to talk about our go-to-market strategy, execution and results [indiscernible] so far. Next slide, please. I'm going to start by revisiting our two-pronged go-to-market strategy to grow and diversify our revenue by going deeper, utilizing our growing portfolio of MCU, MPU, SoC, power, analog and connectivity to win more sockets per system, increasing our content per board. This will help us diversify and grow our revenue from the product technology perspective. And by going broader, selling our full portfolio as a solution to a larger number of customers with our sales team directly and in partnership with our distributors, especially reaching up to small and midsized mass market customers. This will allow us to diversify and grow our revenue from the customer and market segment perspective. And mass market is very key to that. Next slide, please. So now I'm going to talk a bit more about mass market acceleration and this slide and the following, which is critical at diversifying our customer base. But before doing that, I'd like to highlight our 4+1 go-to-market deployment model consisting of 4 global vertical teams covering major accounts in verticals such as industrial, infrastructure, IoT and automotive. And then the plus one, which is the regional team covering the remaining mid- to small-sized customers some directly and some of our distribution partners. This approach continues to pay dividends in not only increasing our design and revenue in the verticals, but also helping to accelerate design and in the mass market as the system expertise gained by our vertical teams, flow through our larger global sales team through our system and solution and regional teams in form of system block diagrams, knowledge that's helping our teams identify, engage and win every socket and duplicate it across customer base. Additionally, these system block diagrams created by our end equipment experts are picked by our system solutions team refined and published as winning combos or system PoCs that are basically a software hardware implementation of our winning combos, to help drive further acceleration of demand in our sales, distribution and also published on the web for mass consumption. Next slide, please. This process has enabled us to consistently increase not only the number but our quality of our winning combos, but also gain necessary insight to convert more and more of these winning combos into system PoCs, helping reduce time to market for our customers and accelerate adoption of our larger portfolio and growing content per board. Customer success and feedback remains very positive on our approach, and we are now sharpening our focus on system PoCs as a mean to further simplify, accelerate our customer development cycle as they can quickly validate the solution, make appropriate adjustments and get to production faster, shortening time to market for them. Last year, we surpassed our target of 500 winning combos and PoCs and strive to reach well beyond 600 this year, with a larger shift towards system PoCs more specifically targeted for mass market customers, who traditionally lack the resources at the disposal of the larger customers and benefit mostly from our approach. Next slide, please. As I mentioned earlier, we're seeing great success with our approach to solution selling. We're seeing a growth -- growing number of customers designing and buying multiple product categories from Renesas. The plot on the left of the screen, you show the data we have on customers buying more on product from Renesas, where we see a consistent growth, about 50% CAGR in customers buying more than 1 product category with faster growth in customers buying 3 or more categories. This is a measure of success in going deeper. As shown on the top right, we also see acceleration in e-commerce as we drive mass market engagement and empower and drive our Disney partners to sell the entire portfolio and gain new customers. So this is a good indication of our momentum and going broader. Here, we do see a peak in 2022 as during COVID supply prices, more customers came to e-commerce to find supply. However, we still see solid 25% CAGR, from 2020 through 2023. Lastly, on the bottom right, we also see strong revenue growth in mass market driven by our Renesas regional sales team and mainline distributors, benefiting from the 4+1 sales structure, strategy and focus on solution selling and go-to-market with winning combos and system PoCs. We believe we have very good momentum here. Next slide, please. Now on the design in front, which is a good leading indicator of future revenue, here, we also see great momentum. We closed 2023 very strong with 40% year-over-year growth, well above our 20% target. Growth led by automotive, mass market and infrastructure. We also saw strong [ DN ] growth across all product groups with high-performance compute, embedded processing and power leading the charge, benefiting from recent investment in new product portfolio by embedded group for mass market for power, for infrastructure and automotive and high-performance compute for automotive. For 2024, we continue to maintain focus on designing, while also pivoting our focus on designing to revenue conversion to ensure we defend and capitalize on our design in the last couple of years, to see them through to production and revenue generation. We are very encouraged with the results thus far, both on revenue diversification, mass market growth and design in growth, and we believe we have set a solid foundation for long-term diversified revenue growth and reaching the $20 billion target that Shibata-san has set forth. Next slide. Let's talk a bit more about the long-term vision from the market segment perspective. At the top of Renesas, we expect to gain share overall benefiting from our product portfolio investment and go-to-market strategy and execution. We expect to gain more share in industrial, infrastructure and IoT, leveraging solution selling and attach in IoT and growing product portfolio and improving customer user experience in industrial space, both for major accounts and for mass market customers. In infrastructure, we're gaining share and continue to see huge opportunity for us in data center and AI, leveraging our differentiated power, timing and memory interface portfolio, and our strong relationship and existing footprint with cloud service providers, enterprise customers and the suppliers. In automotive, we see strong design and momentum in particular with [indiscernible], SoCs and ADAS, MCUs in automotive control segment and now with healthy power attached as a system sale. Also with our increased investment in power discretes, we anticipate big gains in EV over the next couple of years, fueling further long-term growth. Overall, for automotive, we see us performing in line with the market in the short-term, but growing faster in the outer years as our recent design in materialize into revenue with customer program ramps. Next slide. Web in renesas.com would be very important to successful all of what we described so far. Online experience remains a critical pillar of our go-to-market strategy for all customers. We are focusing on ease of use by improving content, content navigation, quick access to documentation and serving up companion products to complement our solution selling approach. We are seeing improving results on renesas.com with 25% increase in down funnel activity, showing users spending more time on our site, finding the content more relevant and taking next steps in their path to selection of devices and design with Renesas. To improve further, we are now investing in AI-powered search, to enhance findability and customization of results to end user behavior or better experience. Next slide, please. I want to now take a few minutes to talk about more specifically about a couple of important regions, region in all markets, first being India. India will be a key focus for Renesas, as mentioned by Shibata-san. Both for strategic local investments in R&D, in manufacturing, some of which already have started and also for demand creation and revenue growth, in particular for locally sourced automotive and industrial market. We see them as big areas of growth with great synergy with Renesas portfolio and investment focus. We also see India market and customer base very suitable for our solution selling approach with winning combos and system PoCs. With given the growing number of small to midsized customers with limited design infrastructure and capability, we want to help those customers win. We want to help them reduce cost of R&D, accelerate time to market thus reducing their barriers to enter the market and be successful. As Shibata-san mentioned earlier, we're planning special focus on winning combos and system PoCs tailor-made for India market, targeting specific segments in automotive and industrial relevant to India, using our growing local India team with support of global infrastructure of Renesas. Next slide, please. Lastly, I want to discuss our China strategy. While we have relatively small revenue in China with China customers, it remains as an important region for Renesas but needless to say, a very competitive one for all, including Renesas and our peers, given the growing list of local semiconductor suppliers. For success in China, we intend to be very strategic and target by segments. We see automotive as a fast-growing and competitive market where we can grow by engaging with select Tier 1s and OEMs, developing deep partnerships, allowing us to get first look, adapt and support their unique requirements as they aspire to grow in China and globally. We have a growing footprint an existing business with our differentiated SoC and MCU products, giving us an advantage that we will leverage and build on. Industrial and mass market is another area of high interest for Renesas. It is not as big as the other segments, but expected to grow rapidly in the next few years. This is, again, a very suitable target for our portfolio and solution selling approach, within combos in systems PoCs, where we can differentiate by bringing the full solution to the end customer, better user experience and helping them win and win along with them. For smart appliances space, where we have sizable market share, we do see heavy competition from local semiconductor vendors, particularly in the lower-end models, targeting local consumption. Here, our strategy is to defend our position with added focus on the high-end models, those targeted for exports, where performance, supply, quality are still valued by OEMs and the end customers. This will allow us to push back on the advances by the local vendors by limiting their [ plate brand ]. For mobile and consumer in China, this is an area -- this is not an area of focus for Renesas. We will play opportunistically with our catalog portfolio and semi-custom products where it makes sense. So in summary, we believe we can have good incremental and healthy revenue growth in China with our segment-based strategic approach and charted a good path for success despite of growing challenges that we see and in our PoC as well. Next slide. In summary, I would like to reiterate that we stay committed to our going broader and deeper to grow and diversify our revenue, our solution selling approach selling more of our portfolio to a larger list of customers. We're seeing great signs of success, including mass market revenue growth in both e-commerce mainline distributors and a growing list of customers, buying a diverse set of products from Renesas across multiple product categories. Combined with our great design and momentum, clear market and regional strategy and execution, we believe we are setting a very good foundation for long-term sustainable revenue growth. Thank you very much.

Operator

operator
#43

Next moving on to the next presentation. We would like to invite SVP and GM of High Performance Computing. Vivek Bhan.

Vivek Bhan

executive
#44

Thank you. Good morning, and good afternoon. I'm Vivek Bhan, SVP and GM of the High Performance Compute Group at Renesas [ Electronics ]. During this presentation, I plan to provide key areas of our [ SPC ] Group strategy and the progress that we have made in those areas. Next slide, please. Let me take the opportunity to introduce the focused products that are developed within the high-performance computing team. [indiscernible] MCUs and SoCs for automotive compute as well as compute solutions customized for nonautomotive applications like industrial and factory automation. We as Renesas are somewhat uniquely placed in automotive with a portfolio that addresses both the miacrocontroller and the SoC space. Next slide, please. We are investing in areas of growth in the market like ADAS, EV, industrial automation, and our aspiration is to grow significantly in these segments. In AS with Gen 4 and Gen 5 product portfolio, we offer scalable family of products with different levels of AI integration. In control, we have an expanding portfolio for E architecture, including domain and zonal controllers using both our RH850 and ARM-based architecture families. In EV, we can offer more integrated solutions around our MCUs with integrated analog and power for applications like inverters, onboard chargers and so forth. We are also building industrial networking and automation compute solutions with application-specific customizations. These are all vectors for our growth strategy going forward for high performance compute. I also want to take the opportunity to what Shibata-san shared earlier. I want to address the recent market data showing Renesas [indiscernible] our leading market position in auto e-Fuse to a competitor. We acknowledge that we have faced some headwinds in our leadership position, and we have already taken countermeasures to address some of the gaps that we found in our portfolio. We have taken further steps in our R&D and as well as accelerated efforts to offer better product market fit going forward. Next slide, please. From a market perspective, our automotive market view is that global light vehicle production will be relatively stable. However, we see growth in automotive semiconductor TAM based on increased semiconductor content growth per vehicle. And we see a lot of opportunities for us to expand our market reach for the market trends that we see in the industry. Next slide, please. A quick view of our financial performance. Our financial performance in our automotive segment that includes high performance computing and analog and power has achieved highs in both our revenues as well as in our profit margins. Next slide, please. Let me now talk about ADAS. ADAS is a key segment for focus in Renesas. Revenue growth is expected to outperform the market with our scalable compute family as well as our integrated system solutions. Renesas offers SoCs with various levels of integration, we offer MCUs, sensors, analog power management along with our software capabilities and our ability to provide integrated system solutions. Next slide, please. As we know, Renesas has a long history with compute and safety-oriented products. Renesas offers a full portfolio to cover all segments in the automotive application space, with scalable and flexible solutions for all class of vehicles. Our solutions are also more of open platforms that allow OEMs to build around our compute solutions with their customizable additions for specific differentiation. We are well positioned with leading-edge comprehensive portfolio that covers full range from basic control to real-time applications to high-performance compute based on the broad portfolio of MCUs and SoC families that we are bringing to the market. Renesas is also uniquely placed to offer both SoCs and microcontrollers with similar software framework, similar tool chain, enabling faster and efficient integration, reducing development cost and time to market for our customers. Next slide, please. As part of Automotive Solutions, Shibata-san mentioned about AI. We are specifically expanding our AI tool chain and capabilities to simplify customer adoption of existing and emerging AI networks to deliver ADAS and AD solutions to the market. Customers desire higher flexibility and faster optimization agility for evolving AI networks and AI applications. We announced AI workbench, which allows Use of our AI-centric virtual software integrated design environment on the cloud, enabling our customers to build workloads faster. And also add their own additional optimization. We also announced hybrid compilers, which now allow for software reuse across multiple R-Car generations. While also enabling the best utilization and performance across heterogeneous other architectures. We continue to provide out-of-box or price experience for AI for our customers for enabling fast time to market. Next slide, please. Continuing on our thoughts and vision around AI. Software-defined vehicles demand continuous closed-loop hardware and software solution development to build better systems. Our vision is providing a ready-to-use scalable solution in an integrated environment for our customers, which is accessible from anywhere. Using our Renesas tools, we enable access to our boards and reference designs over the cloud for our customers to develop a large set of AI models in a factory like environment. Our integrated environment will allow a large set of software developers to work on our products and develop applications faster, including safety critical ones. It allows integrated comprehensive and easy [ PU ] technology framework for customers to build software-defined vehicle solutions using both our hardware and software capabilities. Next slide, please. As you may know, in the past, customers and auto OEMs have suffered longer development cycles and costs due to late hardware and software integration. This has resulted in many cases, system problems discovered late causing further delay for undesired trade-offs. To address this, Renesas is continuously investing both in software as well as on the hardware side, so we enable faster and easier integration of software with hardware for real application use cases. With a very strong focus on shift left, we're providing modern, integrated and unified environments that enable several hardware and software development. With our tools and STK, we accelerate software-defined vehicle develop -- development. And the time to market for our OEMs that are using our compute products. Also, our open STK architecture allows OEMs to differentiate by developing solutions and applications on top of our safety-enabled pre-integrated platforms. Next slide, please. Bobby and Shibata-san mentioned about our board -- broad and comprehensive portfolio. Again, to highlight that from an auto ADAS perspective, Renesas offers a broad portfolio that covers digital compute, analog and power. It allows Renesas to start early at the system level, offer more integrated and validated solutions that are better optimized for performance, both at the component as well at the system level. Next slide, please. We discussed ADAS. Let me now take the opportunity to share our progress and strategy on E-architecture space. Based on our products, customer interest we expect revenue growth to outperform the market. Our growth is driven by our portfolio coverage, including central compute, zonal and domain compute analog and integrated system solutions. Next slide, please. OEMs are adopting zonal and hybrid architectures for EE with varying compute between centralized and distributed. Renesas offers flexible and scalable integrated solutions that support the need of [indiscernible] OEMs, which are adopting just with varying levels of integration. We have a full range of products that are well positioned to address domain, hybrid and full zonal solutions with central compute offered with various levels of real-time support and also maintaining our existing software installed base. Next slide, please. For compute, both at the central and zonal levels, Renesas offers a comprehensive product range with 16- and 32-bit MCUs using proprietary course. We also recently handed our portfolio for MCUs with on-base 32-bit family. In addition to that, Renesas provides fully integrated SoCs for centralized compute. Our compute solutions also allow various levels of AI integration. In addition to all that, we provide reusable and extendable common software platform and framework to cover all our compute products from MCUs to cross-domain compute to fully integrated SoCs. Next slide, please. My last slide and the key points to highlight automotive is a key area of focus for Renesas, and we continue to invest and expand our product offerings. Renesas is well positioned with a flexible, scalable and open portfolio and platform for ADAS and EE. Renesas offers full system solutions optimized for performance using our digital-analog power products integrated with our software capabilities. We are continuously enhancing and augmenting our software offerings. Our AI and cloud infrastructure and the corresponding tool chain for our customers. Renesas has a full portfolio from high-performance SoC to cross domain compute to MCUs, which also benefits from the same software framework and infrastructure. We continue to have good strong customer engagements good market traction, as Bobby shared some of the [ DM ] progressed recently, and we continue to expand the partnerships to grow and accelerate the business going forward. That's my last slide, and thank you very much for listening.

藤原 毅郎

analyst
#45

[Interpreted]. Next we would like to have General Manager. Executive Officer and Embedded Processing General Manager Mr. Toshihiko Seki. Seki-san over to you.

Toshihiko Seki

executive
#46

[Interpreted] I am Seki, in-charge of embedded processing. Please move on to the next slide. Let me start with an overview of embedded processing. In terms of our product coverage, we have MCU and MPU and we have our core products. We have the 32-bit RX and the 16-bit RL78, these are our own core product. And 5 years ago, we released RA series and these are adopting Arm Core. We have the 32-bit RA. And also, we have the MPU RZ Series. Which was actually under another team in the past, but now it is under our team, the 62-bit MPU RZ series. So we have our Renesas core products and the ARM core products. Now looking at the 2023 revenue breakdown, we have driven our core products, Rx and RL78, which comprise 2/3 of our car revenue. So these products were released 10 years ago, but these have a very long time frame. So these 2 still have not reached their peak. So at time this, RX and RL78, still comprise the majority of our revenue. But the newly released RA and RZ are also growing steadily, especially over the past few years, we have a strong traction from our clients. I'd like to explain in more detail in the following slide. But these are contributing to winning new customers and expanding our market share. And for 2030, we would like to further expand products. In terms of segments, so-called mass market and industrial, including appliance is taking the majority in market. Next slide. In terms of our revenue, we are aiming for growth toward 2030, as mentioned by Bobby, we are basically doubling our revenue. And this has been supported by Rx and RL78. And also the industrial segment. But for 2030, we expect the market to grow at around 7% toward 2030, we would like to achieve an growth rate of 10%, so that we can double our revenue toward 2030. On the basis of this growth, our very comprehensive service to the mass market, industrial market. And so that is catalog to provide products that are needed by our clients. And it's very important that clients are able to find products that will work for them. And we will continue to see updates and strengthen our portfolio so that the customers find the optimal products and also scalability. Some of our products is for even 30 years down the road. And so we need to continue to provide support for the long term as well as being able to upgrade the product. So scalability is going to be our focal point going forward. And one more point I'd like to stress. As Buvna mentioned and as Bobby mentioned, U.S. user experience is going to be key. We would like to have our customers' user product with a peace of mind securely and user-friendliness is going to be very important so that the customers can use our products and reduce the country market. So these are the 2 key points: scalability and user experience. This is going to be the driver for our revenue growth. And one more point here. the automotive business, this is RL78 16-bit. And the bit products portfolio is going to be the mainstream for automotive. That's unchanged. But the 16-bit low-end, which is being used for control purposes of the body, we believe that in 2030, we will still see the 16 bits being employed. So we expect a solid revenue from this product going forward. Now let me talk about the market share. This was already mentioned by Shibata-san and Vivek. But if you just focus on my responsibility, there is some depreciation of yen. That has impacted us. But basically, we were flat at '22 to '23, a slight reduction, unfortunately. But as Shibata-san mentioned, if you look at design in, we have very strong, powerful growth. So '23, '24, the market situation is quite tough. But if you look at the design in numbers, we are confident that we will be able to deliver strong results, and we have that also in '22, '23. And we believe that we will maintain our momentum. So that we can achieve the 2030 target and continue to enhance our products capabilities. And for RL78 and RX. We will RL and RX, we expect a 30% growth very powerful growth going forward for these existing products. One aspect of this is the support function. 2 years ago, there was a supply shortage and the market was in the turmoil, but the customers very much appreciated the fact that we were able to continue to provide our products and the cost that we gained during this time has led to strong numbers. On the other hand, for RA and RZ, we are expecting a very steep growth going forward. So RX and RL, these are the mainstream at the moment, but now we have a joint record aligned with these products. So it's going to take some time for this to be fully converted to revenue. 2, 3 years, 4 years will be the time it takes for the design and to be converted into revenue. But -- there is no doubt that this will be a driver for our future growth. And RL78 and RX, this family is mainly for existing customers, with whom we have had a relationship for a long time. But for RA and RZ with the Encore, these are mostly new customers. Especially customers who are using the other vendors switching over to our products or when they launch a new product, they have come to our product against others. And found that Renesas Solution to be superior, and we have won these design and projects. So in that sense, these are going to be the seeds for future growth. And we would like to continuously support our customer so that we can achieve positive sales expansion going forward. Bobby and Buvna showed a similar slide regarding the mass market. And the platform that will be necessary to support the mass market. The Embedded Processing business is one of the core sources of Renesas earning power. So expanding the customer base through embedded processing actually holds the key to the success of Renesas. And in terms of the earning power, we need to be one of the leading sources of Renesas. So, in that sense, over the past few years, the business profile and revenue profile is something that we have been working very hard on. And as a result of that, we have improved on our dependence on large customers. The market accounts for about half of our revenue. Going forward, we'd like to further expand especially, you would like to increase the number of customers and the method for this, as mentioned by Buvna, is digitalization, providing the [ test ] for digitalization. And as Bobby mentioned, for the customers who require our support providing POC and providing the core technology, which will form the pieces for their success. So we'd like to work in collaboration with the other divisions of Renesas so that we can achieve this growth. This is a map of the strategy that I have outlined. So on the left-hand side, these are the product portfolio. These for RX and RL78 we already have existing customers, existing community, and we need to make sure to respond to the customers requests and feedback. On the other hand, for RA and RX significant scope for growth, and this will be the driver for our future. For RA, end of last year, RA8, this is the industry's first CM85 of ARM was employed. This is high-end kind of crossover to MPU was launched. Additionally, last month, at the beginning of April, RA's low-end was released. This is like 8-bit [indiscernible], but RA78 had been supporting providing the 32-bit ARM core product. So in that sense, the RA coverage is expanding from low-end to high-end. And then -- on top of that 64 bit RZ. We will continue to enhance this product as well. This is the key to our portfolio lineup. And as core technology, a microcontroller, we have 4 technology that will be key to make us distinctive. So the sales side is working on POC winning combination. And these are the core technologies that will be hacking this up to make our products more competitive. To be more exact we have the motor control and HMI, human machine interface, which has been the key from the past, like touch or video or audio or human and machine interface. These 2 will continue to be an important differentiator. But in terms of usability, we will be working with different partners to enhance our support functions. And also AI, machine learning is being a hot topic everywhere, and we will make proposals toward this market and to provide a broad range of services regarding AI and ML. That I'd like to talk about later. And so IoT and AI plus IoT, AI, IoT. This will become more prevalent in the market. And security and functional safety will become ever more important for the clients going forward. So this is an area that we would like to provide technology core proposals. And then on top of that, we have the user experience. If you break this down, there is find, buy, use and share the [ iterance ] in an open community. There are 4 key elements within user experience. So from here, I'd like to talk in more detail about user experience as well as AI. Now starting with the user experience. We have been working hard on user experience for the past few years, especially focusing on the middle to buy and use. We have made much effort in terms of by end use. In terms of buy, we had some negative feedback from customers regarding our sample system. So we have upgraded our sample system to provide free sample systems. And the catalog web distributor, we have been working with the distributors. Maintaining the necessary amount of imagery and samples, so that when the customers want to try something new to make a trial they are able to obtain the necessary goods in a short period of time like 48 hours. Of course, there were customers that we were not able to serve, when there was a supply shortage, but now we have a robust lineup. And also for the mass production support, we have been preparing the die bank and having multiple production lines, which has been appreciated by customer, and we are able to achieve a flexible supply structure, or providing short lead time out and having multiple production lines. Recently, we did not have any major production problems. Anything could happen. And there are -- of course, as the protocol, or changes, tariff issues came up just the other day. So customers make requests on having backup or sourcing the products from a certain country. And in order to respond to these customer requests having a multiple production site is extremely important. We have been able to show a strong track record over the past few years as to continuously enhance our supply so that the customers place more trust with us. Now when it comes to use, this is the main part of the user experience. We have the software platform FSD. And also design guide application node, use to support the development of the customers as well as the different tools for development. We have been also providing video content for online training. So for buy and use, although this is a never ending journey, we have delivered a certain level of results for buy and years. Now moving on to the next slide. For Find and Sell, we believe that there is still much room for improvement. Regarding Find, we have a lot of documents, but customers say that it's difficult to find double document. So, in terms of the hardware manual, we are going to focus on that. Each manual has over 3,000 pages. And we would like to streamline that, make it easier to understand and access. Also, Bobby talked about AI based search. AI is becoming widely used technology. And so over the next few years, we would like to enhance AI search or smart search so that the customers will be able to obtain the information that they need in a short period of time with little effort. And for share, because we have been using our own core products, we tended to be quite closed. But one of the biggest reasons that we employed ARM's core was to make our community more open. So RA and RZ [ E-series ] will be the growth drivers going forward. And as we further strengthen these products, we would like to emphasize the importance of share, especially, since the launch of RA. We have tried to expand our partnership base. We now have more than 350 partners that we are collaborating with. And we would like to further enhance this partnership, so that we can provide more robust solutions. And for each player, they have their strengths in terms of their footprint or other technologies. So we'd like to leverage those strengths. And also, we have been working with our Dino offer here and also [ Jeffers ] OS, which is very popular OS recently. These will be adopted on the ARC series. Also, we would like to strengthen the partnership with GitHub, which is a software repository, but we don't have a lot of history and the number is quite limited. But we would like to enhance this going forward so that the necessary information will be made available to the customers. Let me turn to AI. So AI has been discussed many times already, so I'd like to keep it brief. But GenAI is developing at an accelerated pace, and the pressure on data center is becoming more serious. Some people say that the power consumption in data center will be about the same as Japan's over 5 years. So this is not just us, but many other companies are working on moving up the process from data centers to edge and endpoints and to have a good allocation of processing in data center and as an endpoints. And this is going to be key for efficiency. One key will be our AI solution. DRP-AI. I'm highlighting this technology here, but one technology we have is printing. It's like a printing a tree. To select or screen the necessary information or data. And DRP is a very collective technology. So as GenAI evolves multitasking and parallel processing will further expand. And using our core flexibly to respond to this, it's going to be an effective measure. So in terms of power efficiency, using our technology, we can achieve -- so we will be able to do the same process using the GPU with 1/10 of the power. So of course, there are strengths and weaknesses for a technology. But if you look at edge and endpoint, these kind of power-efficient solution or proposal will be very important. The implementation space is limited and the heat processing capability will be limited. So how can we enhance our power efficiency so that this technology can be realized in the endpoint. I believe that our DRP is going to hold a key. And what is even more important is how we can deploy our AI technology to many customers. On the left-hand side, there are 3 types of customers. So AI beginner, AI experienced and AI expert. I'd like to explain using the middle or example, we will provide a train model using different use cases in the application zoo. And the customer will utilize these pre-train model, and then the customer would also apply their data to retrain the model. And then the model that was developed using their retrained data will be -- we'll use our translator and the AI Navigator will be used for this purpose. So customers, who don't have data or customers who have never used AI before can thought with the top example. Using the application a pre-trade model and execute. This will be the easier step. And then after using this, maybe the customer will gain experience. And they want to add their own data set, and that will be the middle example. And for AI experts, we just want to implement the AI, then the bottom one can be applied. And maybe the customer is a beginner at first, but they may be expert in 2 to 3 years time. So we'd like to provide a seemless transition between these 3 models. The lineup of application to, we have about 66. And within the end of the year, we'd like to move to 130, I would like to expand to even more used cases going forward. So that we can provide AI to the mass market. So this is my summary slide. I'd like to emphasize 3 points. First, is the scalable or MCU and MPU portfolio, we will be further expanding this with the RA and RZ family. And we will be enhancing its performance and low power. The second point is user experience. We will utilize our Altium's assets and move one step forward to make it easy for the customers to develop their products and reduce the time to market, which would be integral to the customers' competitiveness. So we would like to enhance user experience and realize this together. And the last point is AI. AI is drawing much attention from customers. And when we talk to customers, many say that they don't know how AI can be utilized yet, but they'd like to try. So we'd like to provide a set of tools, the solutions and environment for the customers to easily try out AI. And bring to the mass market. This concludes my presentation. Thank you very much.

Kenji Yasui

analyst
#47

Next, moving on to the next presentation. We would like to invite SVP and GM of analog and connectivity, Davin Lee.

Davin Lee

executive
#48

Hello, everyone. My name is Davin Lee, and I would give an overview of analog and connectivity. Next slide, please. Analog and connectivity is comprised of several product lines. We offer a full system solution of memory interface products for DDR DIMMs, including DDR5 and multiplex combined ranks or otherwise known as MCR. For timing, we have a very broad and deep portfolio of silicon timing solutions. In connectivity, we support numerous wireless technologies and protocols, including BOE, Wi-Fi, NFC, DECT and sub-gigahertz, to name a few. With these varied technologies, we can support a diverse set of applications and end markets. We also have a wide range of sensing solutions such as environmental, optical, physician and automotive sensors. And rounding out the analog and connectivity portfolio are our custom mixed signal solutions, otherwise known as GreenPAK, high rail or radiation hardened products and our extensive collection of standard products such as op amps, memory, voltage references, digital potentiometer and interface products. You can see the 2023 revenue and end segment composition on the 2 charts on the right side. Next slide, please. There are several growth drivers that contribute to the revenue increase through the year 2030. In automotive, our connectivity solutions will enable more intelligent wireless communications with NFC, UWB and BOE. Our sensors will gather the required data for intelligent processing and our GreenPAK products will integrate various analog functions into our programmable platform thereby reducing the form factor, power consumption and costs. In addition to simplifying the design process. For industrial, we offer several reference designs that include products from a wide portfolio of technologies. Combined with our MCU leadership position, we provide solutions that include processing in addition to products from our GreenPAK family, standard products, connectivity and sensors. In infrastructure, our market share leadership position and content expansion in both DDR5 and MCR DIMMs will drive future growth. And for IoT, we offer very low power, intelligent connectivity solutions that are ideally suited for EdgeIoT, a market that we see significant growth in over the next few years. Next slide, please. Let's now discuss our memory interface products in a little bit more detail. We see a path to 10% compounded annual growth rate through 2030, driven by several factors. Renesas has a strong market share in AI optimized servers, and we are positioned well to see growth with the launch of AI PCs. In addition to our leadership position in DDR5. We are also a major supplier of MCR DIMMs, a segment, as mentioned previously, that is expected to grow significantly over the next few years. This allows us to maintain our leading share in both data center and client memory segments. Our global teams work very closely with our partners and our customers to ensure proper support is provided. Next slide, please. One of the key growth drivers is the content increase in both DDR5 and MCR DIMMs. We expect DDR5 to exceed DDR4 consumption in the second half of 2024. Combined with a 3x content increase in DDR5 versus DDR4 we expect an acceleration of revenue growth as this transition takes place. For DDR5, we can now offer a solution that comprises the PMIC, the temp sensor SPB HUB, RCD and data buffer. And as MCR DIMM volumes increase, we will see even further growth with a 10x increase in content. Next slide, please. MCR DIMMs are a new class of high-bandwidth memory solutions that offer the best value. They are optimized for high performance, capacity and power consumption per dollar compared to the other competing solutions, as you can see from the table on the right. MCR DIMMs can handle high bandwidth workloads and provide a significant improvement in memory performance. It is currently being ratified by JEDEC and will be known as multi-ranked buffer DIMMs, or MR DIMMs. Once it becomes an industry standard, the robust ecosystem of suppliers will enable high growth and adoption given its performance, capacity, cost and power consumption benefits. Renesas is ideally suited and positioned to benefit from this transition. Next slide, please. Moving on to connectivity. We see an increasing trend of connectivity at the edge, driven by the need to have low-power connectivity along with localization and identity. There are several factors driving this trend. First, we are seeing a large increase in adoption of smart devices at the edge and many of them are battery upgraded as they will be untethered. The goal is to have cohesive and intelligent end-to-end connected systems with increased real-time compute and data movement. Because of the increased demand for compute and communication across all these edge devices, data integrity and robustness are required to ensure security to address privacy concerns. To implement this architecture successfully, this requires advanced technologies that we have both developed in-house and acquired over the years. Our advanced technologies along with our knowledge base, positions Renesas well to maximize the growth of connectivity at the edge. Next slide, please. Continuing from the previous slide, let me highlight some key challenges that need to be addressed. Many of the edge devices are battery operated. So low power budgets are required to ensure maximum battery life. Data communication will increase exponentially, when more edge devices are connected. As such, data integrity cannot be compromised. Also, to maximize performance real-time responses from the edge devices are required. This means [ lately ] needs to be minimized. Renesas has a scalable strategy to address many of these challenges our ultra low-power architecture found in connectivity solutions extends [ value life ] like significantly. Our solutions also efficiently enable localization and identity, thereby helping to protect data integrity and increase robustness. We also have a powerful software platform that enables customers to easily implement our connectivity devices and optimize performance to meet customer demands. This 3-pronged approach and strategy allows us to address these challenges and deliver on the growth projections. Next slide, please. The Renesas connectivity product portfolio provides many competitive advantages. As I spoke to you before, our ultra low-power architecture uses up to 50% less power than our competitors. For example, our WiFi solutions can run for more than 2 years on 2 AA batteries and our BLE can run roughly 10 years on a single CR2032 cell. This extends product life span, reduces maintenance costs and improves progress towards sustainability goals, offering a compelling value proposition for customers. We also provide many performance advantages. In NFC, our solutions enable secure communication with the widest margins, allowing customers to increase the range of communications between the point-of-sale devices. In UWB, we doubled the interference robustness to overcome noisy environments, allowing our customers to be used in extreme conditions with a lot more accuracy. Furthermore, our connectivity products offer highly integrated solutions to reduce the overall size and build of materials. In UWB, we can typically reduce the bore sites by more than 30%. For BLE, we integrate this power management functions to improve efficiency and an MCU to allow compute and control. In NFC, we eliminate the need for complex matching circuitry. All these integrated features provide our customers with the ability to reduce both solution size and cost. Finally, our easy-to-use software platform allows fast and scalable integration of connectivity devices with our MCUs. This significantly reduces the overall development time and simplifies the implementation process. Next slide, please. With our vast portfolio of products in analog and connectivity along with our strong MCU position, we can offer customers a solution instead of a product. We call these solutions winning combos, as you heard earlier, and we currently have more than 500 of them, and they continue to grow very quickly. For every MCU, we sell, we can bundle products such as interface, timing, memory, activity, GreenPAK, sensors and so on, depending on the application and use. The benefits are huge as it simplifies the development process for our customers and at the same time, maximizes renaissance content per application. We see a potential to expand the SAM by [ JPY 300 billion ] per year with this approach. Next slide, please. In summary, analog and connectivity is positioned for strong revenue growth through 2030 driven by several key factors. In memory interface, we see solid revenue growth due to the DDR5 and MCR ramp as both DIMM products have significant content increase. For connectivity our differentiated products and competitive advantages position us well to maximize revenue as connectivity at the edge increases. Our solutions can address the challenges brought forth by this architecture, and our teams are ready help solve our customer needs. Our solution sell or winning combos offer our customers solutions to reduce development time and costs by leveraging our strong MCU position and our broad portfolio and analog and connectivity, we provide solutions instead of just products. Finally, we have an easy-to-use and flexible software platform that enables our customers to quickly develop and optimize their products. Similar to winning combos, this allows our customers to reduce development costs and get to market much faster. As you can see throughout this presentation, analog and connectivity is positioned well for long-term growth. Thank you.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#49

Next -- so over to you, Chris.

Unknown Executive

executive
#50

Hello, everybody. My name is Chris Allexandre, and I'm the General Manager of Power Group in Renesas, and I'm very excited to share with you today not only our strategy, the growth journey we have ahead of us. Next slide, please. See this is the first time we are presenting to you the power business and the summary of our portfolio and market exposure. I'm going to start with a comprehensive summary of our business. As you can see on the top left, we have a comprehensive portfolio coming from various acquisition of companies with very strong power heritage. This comes from engineering talents, technologies and IP that we've now combined under one roof on the power. We have not only combined them. We actually have integrated them to a much deeper level, creating scales and enabling our growth through innovation, portfolio expansion and solution, and I will detail that in the next few slides. The portfolio range from integrated power management IC or PMIC, computing power, which is digital controllers, 4 stage and other products that we use to power MPUs, SoCs as well as GPUs. The battery management with screw gauge, we need charging and USB, discretes and wide band gap with most strengthen IGBT that we are expanding now to silicon carbide, as well as last but not least, a growing catalog portfolio made of controllers, drivers, DC/DC issues and many other products that we sell in the many markets. As you can see on the bottom left of that slide, the product portfolio is used across many of their equipment that are driving some extra growth today and in the future, enabling -- enabled by the megatrend around data, electrification and energy efficiency. Our current revenue is reasonably diversified. And what you will see is we're going to take that diversification to next level, both in terms of product and segment exposure. For instance, you can see that the segments like infrastructure, AI or EV or even industrial are today a modest part of our revenue, and that will drive a lot of growth in the future. Next slide, please. We talked about comprehensive portfolio and the strategy that we have is to continue to expand that portfolio to give customers more options to serve in all the markets. We believe that technology will coexist in power and in multiple applications, depending on the power requirements. Specifically, we are very committed to wide-band gap as we believe it's going to be very critical for power delivery in the next decade, and we are committed to expand that portfolio. We actually announced as Shibata-san talked about, the acquisition of Transform the GaN company a couple of months ago, and we are expecting to close the transaction in coming months. This is a fundamental step in that strategy to continue to expand our wide band gap portfolio. This is not only opening up a new SAM for us of [ JPY 14 billion ] by 2030, which is untapped. It's enabling us to give customers options and expand our portfolio in all the different markets that we serve, as you can see on that slide. This is also a great example of the solution strategy, which I will detail and which my colleagues have talked about, where we combine more Renesas products together to deliver more value to our customers. On day one, we're going to have more than 15 winning combos, including 8 proof-of-concept will board implementation, combining the transformed game specs as well as our controls in driver, which shows the power of providing full solution to our customers. Next slide, please. In terms of strategy, we have 3 focused areas. #1 is infrastructure, AI and computing. #2 is automotive, EV as well as any other application in automotive space like, where we can increase our content as well as industrial, which is made of several subsegments from home, industrial automation, renewable energy and many broader applications. The strategy is around 2 axis. The first axis is what I call the vertical access, okay? This is laser focused on those very fast growing some particular in faster AI computing as well as automotive, where we have dedicated engineering teams, both design and application, working with [ boes ] sales in FA, which are deployed by segment to provide customers through center of expertise, dedicated, tailored [ garment ] solution that will satisfy their need and innovate. And we are working for the winning combo concept to take that to a lot more customers. The second axis, which is rather new, but also very well fitting with the overall strategy of Renesas is what we call the solution and attach access. This is basically essentially leveraging Renesas assets at footprint to scale. And offer customers full solution. We do that by 2 means. One is to make sure that we power any of the digital products that we've talked about from the MCU, the MPU and the SoCs, and I will detail that in the future. As well as any power analog product we have to make sure that we combine and provide more solutions to the customers. So as I said, we do it 2 ways. On the MCU, MPU and SoC, we are developing a variety of PMICs as well as other catalog products that we combine with [ Vertalo ] solution, going up to validation and full designed for the customers so they have an easy way to implement those solutions as well as making sure across the board we provide reference design. For our own product, the analog and power, we always look at expanding our customers portfolio to make sure that we can provide winning combos to our customers. And again, just not expand our SAM, but help our customers to have easier life. Next slide, please. This strategy is aiming at more than tripling the power revenue between now and 2030. This will be driven by multiple segments. But as you can see, the fast growth will come from infrastructure AI, EV and industrial, which will really drive this accelerated growth on top of the segment that will continue to grow, but yet at a more modest pace. The overall theme of our strategy to grow is diversification and consistency. I talked about the importance of this comprehensive portfolio. And you can see on the right side that -- this diversification come from selling more of the -- more product into the same segment and provide more vectors of growth into each of those segments. I talked about the opportunity that we have combining more product into -- around the gain. But you can see as well that we're expanding this script way beyond automotive into industrial and infrastructure as well as expanding the catalog portfolio to serve all those markets. This will drive a significant change in terms of product mix. I talked about the product mix at the beginning. This will basically change completely and drive and result into a much more resilient and consistent growth business. Infrastructure AI and EV will have the highest CAGR nearly 2x of our overall growth for the core group, followed by industrial as well as IoT and other automotive that will be in the high-single-digit. Overall, power balance between automotive and nonautomotive will remain the same, but the exposure to new markets like EV and infrastructure will be a lot bigger following by industrial and IoT. Same on the product mix, where we expect that 2030, our discrete and complete portfolio, complete portfolio to be a lot more significant to our revenue. Next slide, please. Next slide, please. Talking about infrastructure, AI and data centers, we have a large and growing opportunity for Renesas across multiple applications. Not only with existing product, but also with new products we're developing, but also given the change and the evolution of that market, which I will detail. For traditional high-performance computer application, racks of equipment, servers, switches, storage range between 10, typically between 10 and 25 kilowatts. With our current product, which we're addressing that business between the multiphase DC/DC controllers for stage 48-volt power distribution, vertical power and DDR, PMIC that Davin talked about. We can address up to $700 per rack with those traditional systems. AI is changing this. AI system demands seriously higher power and create a much larger SAM. And DDR announced this year at the GTC '24 that their new Blackwell-based rack will be up to 1,200 kilowatt, which is 5 to 10x bigger than any other system today. And we see that trend to continue across any other GPUs and SoC, creating a much more need and a much bigger opportunity for us. With the increase of the content in AI, the new product as well as the expansion of our portfolio, we think we can address up to $2,200 per rack, which is a significant opportunity for us, and you can see more and more product going in that market. Next slide. Now we're not new to that business. Renesas is well established in the server, enterprise and infrastructure space with data centers. And we continue to win for multiple reasons. Number one is, we are known for our digital controller leadership. We were one of the pioneer more than 10 years ago to introduce those digital controllers. That really kind of make a big difference for our customers. As far as value, our innovation, a high performance and the fact that we provide flexibility and programmability, which helps them to get the best and increase their SoC performance. We are also valued because we provide full solution, again, optimizing our power stage with our controllers to deliver the best value. Less known and less visible, but as more critical, our solution are designed and optimized for hyperscale CSPs. What this means is we provide extensive diagnostic telemetry and other remote management strategy software tools that we provide to our customers. This helps with CSPs that are managing very complex, large-scale deployment to basically manage the complexity, and this will create a lot of stickiness between our engagement. We're also one of the first -- one of the few companies that bring innovation, quality and scale. Renesas has shipped nearly 3 billion units of Power Management IC in high-performance computing application. And we continue to be recognized for a resilient quality availability, which brings resilience to our business. The broad adoption of our portfolio today and in the future is a clear evidence of that. As you can see on the right side, we pretty much work and are engaged with any customers in the AI inferences as well as across multiple applications from CPUs, TPUs, GPUs and servers and even going to all the SoCs and cloud providers. Next slide, please. Let's talk about AI. I mentioned the fact that AI is really a disruption and changing the game. We see exponential growth for AI attached power, and the SAM is going to be significantly impacted. Why? Number one is AI SoC require a much higher level of power, and that will continue to increase at much faster clip than any CPU in the future. You can see on the left side, the current high-end CPUs range about 500-watt per SoC, while the current AI GPU is already at 1.2 kilowatt. And that will grow 2x to 3x to next generation. More power consumption needs more power content and more power to SoC. You can see on the right side, that CPU power range around $20 to $40 per SoC this year, while AI will be in the range of $75 to $200, significantly higher. Number 2 is AI is requiring a lot more integration and density, which basically increase the ASP. We see 3x to 6x per amp increase in many of those AI systems versus traditional infrastructure. Last but not least, as you can see at the bottom left -- at the bottom right of the slide, we see the growth of AI SoC to continue throughout the next few years at 20% figure and significant. So if you put higher power content, higher ASP and continued growth rate, we see clearly exponential growth in the AI attached power computing, which is going to change the dynamic of the business. You can see that the overall SAM for compute power is going to grow about 20% CAGR for the next few years, while the AI contribution will grow nearly 50%, being almost 2/3 of the business in the next 5 years. Next slide, please. On top of AI infrastructure, we see a growth in AI in mobile computing and cloud. The introduction of AI PC with local inferencing and accelerated inferencing will be a change in the -- a big change in the personal computing. Shipment of AI PCs are expecting to grow to nearly 70% of the market by 2030. This created disruption in the power architecture that has been used so far, which benefited Renesas. I talked about at the beginning how we combine all those different technology to create scale. This is one of the great examples. To increase inferencing performance, the SoC are adding new computing engines. One of them being the neural processing unit and HBM memory. The new CPU, which will be introduced this year, will deliver with new NPU 4x inferencing performance versus project generation. Although the power architecture, the power requirements remain the same, the architecture of adding NPUs and HBM is changing a lot. And that again benefits Renesas. This favors a new approach, which is adding not only a PMIC on top of traditional VR. Renesas is strong in PMIC and that plays to our strength. We actually have developed a unique PMIC that will be embedded in many of the AI PCs that will run throughout this year. We see a very strong deal engagement. We have a very strong partnership with one of the CPU vendors. And we see today, 30 customers' platform being designed that will ramp at the second half of this year. And we believe this is here to continue and here to deliver nearly 2x the potential content into traditional computing versus historical implementation. Next slide, please. Now between the market, the application, the portfolio and the customer engagement dynamic that I mentioned, we are very excited and very enthusiastic about the growth potential that we have in the computing power, as you can see on the right side. And this is really about layering 3 vectors of growth. Number one is what I call the foundation. As I mentioned, we are today in a significant engagement with many of the CSPs and enterprise servers. That will continue to grow at a high single digit to low double digit through continued expansion of our market share, which is about 25% today. We expect it to be 35% in the next few years, coming from increasing content generation after generation and deeper customer engagement. I talked about the layer coming from AI clients. As I mentioned, starting this year with 30 AI PC platform in design that will ramp in the second half of this year and drive growth in the next 2 years, and as I mentioned in the earlier slide, we believe we can power 60% of the AI PC in the next 18 to 24 months. And last but not least, the acceleration coming from the AI infrastructure. As I mentioned, higher content, higher ASP, fast unit growth will drive accelerated growth for us. We are already shipping to multiple CSPs. We're engaged with one of the major SoC providers. And a lot of active design are ongoing as we speak, that will drive significant growth for the next few years. And that will basically help us to grow this sustained growth for the future. And you can see on the right side that we'll be able to drive up to 30% CAGR growth in the Computing Power business with this acceleration coming from the AI that will be nearly 50% CAGR. Next slide, please. Switching gear to the Automotive. Here, it's a complete portfolio play and our solution offering is really giving us a great position. There are 2 paths for us to grow in auto. Number one is expanding our solution and portfolio regardless of EV or not. As I mentioned earlier, we serve EV as well as other applications in the Automotive as long as we can continue to grow the content. We are leveraging here the great presence and the market share of Renesas into MCU and SoC by pulling it through some time catalog product as well as up to functional safety PMIC providing full solution to our customers and making it ease of use and scalable platform. We're also expanding discretes, Wide Bandgap, Battery Management and IGBT to make sure that we provide more content into specifically. There's no doubt that EV will be a fast-growing market. Despite the slowing down of the expected growth, it's still a big opportunity that we have ahead of us for the next 5 to 10 years, and we want to capitalize on this. And our product can serve OBC, DC/DC as well as inverters and battery management, and we are ready to support the customers' innovation after the next few years. Next slide, please. In Discrete and Wide Bandgap, the overall scheme, the overall feel is expanding portfolio, diversify portfolio and build scale in a calibrated and consistent way to support our growth. Number one is diversification. Our portfolio has been historically more engaged in the automotive space. But that product, we are taking now to industrial and have started that in the last few years and now accelerating. You can see on the slide that we are deepening the engagement on the industrial side with many more applications as well as driving geo-diversification, engaging with new customers in different territories like North America, Europe, India and South Korea. Growth in EV is important, 2 things silicon carbide, I will detail that in the next slide. We are building an offering to be a significant player. We are currently in designing phase and -- for both automotive and industrial coming from a 6-inch fab in Takasaki, delivering soon our Gen 1 devices, which are Planar per topology, that will be in production in '25, while we are working on the next generation trench-based which will target more advanced application by 2027 and beyond. Now EV has a lot of cost pressure. And agility remains key to serving that market, which require performance and best cost. We've made the decision to transition our IGBT to a 12-inch facility in Kofu, which we have made inauguration last month and plan to ramp in '25. We also just ramped, as we speak, IGBT in Naka, 12-inch facility to basically sustain the demand of our customers and again POs and shipment as we speak this quarter to serve those customers to continue to expand that business for the next 10 years. Next slide, please. Now I talked about IGBT. Over the last few years, we've seen an acceleration of our IGBT design-in and even more so in the last 12 to 18 months. We get very good feedback from customers, both in terms of performance as well as cost. And you can see on the right side, the acceleration of this design as well as the diversification to industrial, which I talked about. In the middle, you see the diversification for customers and identification. We're expanding in automotive to new customers and new applications and new geography. In industrial, we are expanding into new segments like renewable energy, HVAC and home appliance. On the right side, you can see this new designing, how will they -- how they will contribute to our revenue and shipment over the next few years. The momentum is real, especially starting next year. With the coming in line of Kofu, we are very confident we're going to continue to expand our IGBT business for the next 5 to 10 years, complementing our silicon carbide [indiscernible] exposure. Next slide, please. Last year, we talked at the Capital Markets Day, and we announced our plan to introduce silicon carbide. I'm very pleased to announce today that we've made a lot of progress. First of all, our 6-inch Takasaki fab retrofitting for SiC is well underway, and we expect it to be completed next quarter. As I mentioned, the samples from Takasaki, as well as the demo tools and the solution we are developing, are basically performing per spec and will be delivered in the hands of our customers in the coming months. Like IGBT, our ambition with SiC is to serve multiple market segments to make sure that we build a very diversified portfolio and diversified business that will grow for the next few years. To support that growth, we also signed a $2 billion [indiscernible] supply agreement that will help us to grow that plan for the next few years. The first generation planar SiC MOSFET that we are delivering to customers get good feedback, is seen as in the pack. The positive feedback we are getting is in our differentiation from lowest rDS(ON) over temperature, coming from the expertise in high-quality manufacturing from Renesas and the engineering calendar we've put in that business. We'll continue to develop, and we expect to reduce that variation by 40% next year -- in the next few years, as you can see in the next generation, as you can see on the right side. We are very confident that we will build the right set in a very calibrated balance and structured way for long process set and to support and to enable the EV inflection that we're going to see starting '27, '28. Next slide, please. I talked about the importance of solution and how we are basically having this -- driving this solution attached access. And I wanted to spend some time on this before I conclude. As I mentioned, the solution one approach is to leverage the amazing footprint of Renesas in MCU and MPU and SoC in auto and beyond automotive, as Seki-san talked about. Renesas shipped nearly 4 billion of those digital SoC, MPU and MPTs per year. It's an amazing opportunity for us to attach our 4 devices. We do it 2 ways. For the very complex devices, we're actually developing dedicated, tailored, validated PMICs, including functional safety that we provide in a chipset solution way to the customers, reducing any of the burden for customers to implement both SoCs and MPs. For the less complex, MCU and MPUs, we divide and propose a more catalog portfolio through reference design and winning combos that again helps our customers to pick and choose to be able to power those devices. In other markets, it's the same. I talked about the diversification coming from using more of our product and developing more product to serve all the key markets where we are poor. I refer to the opportunity in AI infrastructure where we have a significant position, a great opportunity to expand through our access to the customers. We've seen that already by being able to design the catalog 48-volt IBC into one of the biggest SoC vendors. And I'm very excited about the opportunity to take our discrete business into infrastructure in the future. We also have a deliberate focus on making sure that anything we provide as Renesas should be analog, should be power that we develop products that can attach to them. I mentioned Transphorm in our drivers and controllers, but there are many examples where, again, we are making sure that every time we sell one product, we enable solution for our customers. This is not just about expanding our SAM experience, it's really making our life of customers easier, tagline for the company, a real implemented strategy. Next slide, please. This is my conclusion. As I talked about, we have a comprehensive product portfolio coming from IP and very successful engineering team coming from various acquisitions. We are really scaling it and putting it in the next level. I gave the example of AI PC where we have combined those 2 technologies. What you're going to see is more product, diversify engagement across multiple segments. I talked about the steep growth coming from the diversification, but also the drive from 2 vertical segments, both AI and [indiscernible] that will really accelerate our growth for the future on top of the solution and attach today, which I detailed. I talked about the acceleration in AI, which is real, which is today, starting this year, very strong momentum, both into the clients as well as infrastructure. In high voltage, we continue to build a more balanced and growing portfolio to win in auto as well as to build our acceleration in EV. It's a balanced, calibrated, step-by-step disbursement with more product, more application that we believe will deliver long-term success. And last, but not least, as my colleague said, solution in Renesas is not an aftermath, Renesas is developing solution, and everything we do is about how we deliver more to our customers and combine more product together to make the life of our customers easier. Thank you very much.

Operator

operator
#51

[Interpreted] We would now like to move on to the Q&A session. In this Q&A session, Bobby, Vivek, Seki-san, Davin, Chris and Shibata-san will handle your questions. [Operator Instructions] So we'll begin with UBS Securities, Yasui-San. Yasui-San, we cannot hear you. So we are sorry. So if you can repeat your question, that would be appreciated.

Kenji Yasui

analyst
#52

[Interpreted] Can you hear me now?

Unknown Executive

executive
#53

[Interpreted] Yes, we hear you now. So let's begin.

Kenji Yasui

analyst
#54

[Interpreted] My first question is for Mr. Seki. My impression is that the Altium's benefit will most benefit your business. So the Altium's characteristics is that they have a very broad customer base and the safe channel is based on cloud according to my impression. So what is your expectation from Seki-san's -- your viewpoint? What is the potential of customer and basic funding? If you could just share that point, that would be appreciated. My second question is for Davin and also to Chris. Regarding our data center market, you have a plan to increase the market share, but is it -- will it be driven by capacity, price or what is the element that will drive the growth? Because the customers are very difficult customers, hyperscalers in many cases. So perhaps a capacity commitment will be difficult for you to achieve this growth. Therefore, how do you think you'll be able to expand the market share on a continued basis, especially in the area of memory and PMIC? If you can elaborate on that point, that would be appreciated.

Unknown Executive

executive
#55

[Interpreted] Okay. We'll begin from Seki-san, and then, in the order of question, Davin and then Chris. That will be the order of answering. Would that be okay? There are so many people involved here. So we will make sure that one person will not consume so much time. So please try to answer concisely.

Toshihiko Seki

executive
#56

[Interpreted] Okay. I'll try to answer in a very -- my simple answer is that we have a high expectation for customers' base expansion. To my embarrassment actually, we -- in order for us to leverage Altium, originally, the variety of our products on their product was limited in the first place. But last year -- since last year, we started making efforts, and all the products that we have were incorporated on their platforms. So that was a very fundamental thing, but we started from there. So this will happen only after the completion of the acquisition, but then the customers that they have a reach with will try to even accelerate our approach to those customers so that we can expand our customer base. And those customers that were not -- that were beyond our reach, we'll try to access them again. And if we are able to do so, we shall be able to expand the customer base exponentially. That is actually the mass matter strategy that I talked about during my presentation. I think this will further drive an accelerated reach for us.

Unknown Executive

executive
#57

[Interpreted] Okay. So the cloud and data center, about our growth, first, from the memory perspective, Davin, if you can -- Davin, can you answer the question first from you?

Davin Lee

executive
#58

Yes. So the growth in infrastructure for memory is more than just capacity. As everyone knows, AI growth is continuous. And our growth there is with content increase along with the market growth. Not only are we benefiting from the growth of AI, but we're benefiting by selling more products into those segments, whether it's a server side or the client side. In addition to that, as AI demands continue to increase, new memory technologies will come to fruition. And as you can see from what happens from DDR4 to DDR5 and now with MCR, our content continues to increase over time. From a capacity perspective, we have long-term partners that we work with to secure capacity, knowing what kind of growth projections we have internally.

Chris Allexandre

executive
#59

The way I would add to this is, number one, as I mentioned earlier, we are not new to that space. Renesas is a significant power and PMIC in the memory, supplier into the infrastructure, CSP, cloud service providers as well as enterprise servers. On the power side, we have about 25% market share with very strong product and quality. And we expect to continue to increase that market share through continuous support of those customers that are very satisfied with our quality innovation. But as Davin said, the AI is really changing, where it's not anymore about just serving the customer, it's about innovation and it's about speed. And this disruption is giving us an opportunity with more power content for each of the system and speedy execution to really capitalize what I call the AI gold rush, which is happening as we speak and for the next few years.

Unknown Executive

executive
#60

[Interpreted] Would there be anyone for the question? [Operator Instructions] Of course, we would like to entertain questions for any topics that were raised in the first half today.

Operator

operator
#61

[Interpreted] We will now take a question from Takayama-san from Goldman Sachs.

Daiki Takayama

analyst
#62

[Interpreted] So I'd like to ask my question. So for SiC, there's one thing I wanted to confirm. So in this past 12 months, I do believe the business environment has changed. Be it price, demand supply, I do believe there's been a lot of change. And so when we look at this, your approach, how do you think you would be able to enjoy your advantage? We -- yes, you talked about content. Is that going to be your important point? And also, how you'd be able to collect back the investment? How are you going to measure the payback period? Are you going to wait until when you'll be able to create a positive business? How do you measure that?

Unknown Executive

executive
#63

[Interpreted] Yes. Thank you very much. Maybe, Chris, you'd be able to answer that question.

Chris Allexandre

executive
#64

First of all, you mentioned the environment for EV has changed over the last 12 months. And if that had actually an impact, it's actually to help us. And as I mentioned, we are very deliberate in building step-by-step in a very calibrated way our technology and the capacity that will support that technology. So the slower outlook for EV growth is actually an opportunity for us, and it will impact more. The competitors, they have to put huge capacity upfront. How we measure success? Well, we measure success from customer engagement, feedback on our technology as well as designing. And as I mentioned, we are today delivering our first generation, getting good feedback. In the next 12 months, we expect to see the start of the designing more in some applications and build it from there. So we expect to build that business over the next few years. That's my answer.

Unknown Executive

executive
#65

[Interpreted] Yes. Thank you very much. And be it a Silicon -- IGBT or I think we're always talking about the same thing. And we -- just like we've heard from Chris, it's not like we're trying to take like 30% of the world or half of the world's market share, it's a step-by-step approach looking at what capacity that we have. So again, it's a step-by-step increase in the production capacity, for example. So even if the market would slow down a bit, that's not really going to change the payback period or the utilization that we'd be able to enjoy. Of course, when it comes to price point, we still do have to be careful. But at the same time, for example, at least for SiC, most part of the cost, it's really about substrates. And that -- if that part of the market improves the overall finance, it's not going to -- it's probably going to make sense for us. It's not going to deteriorate. We're trying to be careful in taking this approach, which I do believe is -- enables us to enjoy the pace of the market or actually the business environment. So just -- it's just like Chris said.

Daiki Takayama

analyst
#66

So there's a lot of 8-inch shift, and that's been a bit slow. And that's what caused you to lag behind. But for example, if it's for procurement, you've been able to have this advantage of Wolfspeed now in terms of procurement now. And of course, you're going to go through a step-by-step approach in scaling up your capacity. But looking at what you'd be doing, do you think that's exactly the edge that you're able to enjoy versus the peers, especially when you compare ourselves with the peers?

Unknown Executive

executive
#67

[Interpreted] So thank you, Chris, do you think you'd be able to answer that question, too?

Chris Allexandre

executive
#68

Yes. So first of all, as I mentioned, we're actually enjoying the benefit of retrofitting an existing fab, 6-inch from Renesas in Takasaki, which help us to enter in that business without a significant upfront cost. We are looking, obviously, for the next generation at 8-inch. We have not finalized our decision yet, which will be more around the '27, '28 timeframe in terms of volume production. So we actually believe that this is a wise strategy as Shibata-san talked about, which is to build consistently that business ahead.

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#69

[Interpreted] And at the same time, I'm sure things will change in the end. But 8-inch substrates at this moment, it's not really going to give you cost benefit today because there's a lot that needs to be done. 8-inch substrate and 8-inch device, you need to have enhanced maturity. Otherwise, you would not really be able to see a cost advantage, so not yet. And within the time horizon that we have, I do not believe there's going to be any disadvantage we'd have to see albeit the pace.

Operator

operator
#70

Next question is BofA Hirakawa-san.

Mikio Hirakawa

analyst
#71

[Interpreted] I'm Hirakawa of BofA. I have 2 questions. First question, an overlap with the previous question, regarding power, design-in is having a lot of momentum. So for '23 IGBT, design-in is progressing. That's on Page 13. So what are the applications for this? And geographically, where do we see big growth, if you could elaborate? That's my first question. And my second question is regarding sales and marketing. It's about the market share, and there was some reduction in market share, maybe that there was a weakness in marketing. Now that you're trying to expand market share, what changes have you made to your marketing approach? That is my question.

Unknown Executive

executive
#72

[Interpreted] Your second question, was that regarding microcontroller, Micron?

Mikio Hirakawa

analyst
#73

[Interpreted] Yes, especially for automotive, if there are any marketing approach changes for automotive Micron.

Unknown Executive

executive
#74

[Interpreted] Let me just clarify first. It's not that we had a weakness in marketing. It's more about the product definition, it's about the spec that I think we moved too fast. But I would like to ask Bobby to respond later regarding any changes to sales and marketing. And then regarding, Chris, I'd like to ask for IGBT, what segment, which geography, if there is any characteristic you can highlight. And then regarding automotive microcontroller share recovery, I'd like to turn to Bobby. So Chris first.

Chris Allexandre

executive
#75

Yes. So in IGBT, as you could see in my presentation, the growth of design-in is coming from 2 aspects. Number one is diversification to industrial, which now represent a significant part of our design-in. And I mentioned a few applications like HVAC and home appliance and a few others and renewable energy. As well as on the automotive side, it's not new application because we've been serving a lot of the classic application in the automotive. It's really taking it to a new geography, and you mentioned that. And so we have really success in Europe, in North Korea as well as India and the rest of the world. So we see a very strong momentum in Europe as well. As a matter of fact, we just closed a significant design win with one of the Tier 1 in Europe in Exciter application. So we see really about diversification in application as well as going to industrial. That's my answer.

Mikio Hirakawa

analyst
#76

North Korea or South Korea?

Julie D. Pope

executive
#77

Not North Korea. He said North Korea, but not South Korea.

Bobby Matinpour

executive
#78

On the -- I'll take the question on the market share in MCUs. So as Shibata-san mentioned, this is not related to marketing, but also -- but about having the right product at the right time, which was the case that was -- we did not have a few years ago. That's where over 2, 3 years, we did lose some share. And the results of that, as it takes a while for automotive platforms to go to production, we see that now. So that's the delay effect. On the positive side, you've seen in the data we have shared, we have had great momentum with the MCU designing over the last 2 to 3 years, and we believe those will help us recover that market share in the next 3 to 5 years as our end customers ramp to production.

Mikio Hirakawa

analyst
#79

What does it do to gain -- to increase that design-in, in terms of our sales and marketing?

Bobby Matinpour

executive
#80

Well, first of all, it's a release of new products that better fit what customers need. We have also been engaging very closely with customers as we saw the share losses, so deeper engagements with Tier 1s and also dedicated support for OEMs globally that allowed us to also influence some of the decisions by the Tier 1s from the OEMs as they get more involved in making the decision at the architecture level. So a 2-pronged approach, engaging with Tier 1s and influencing decision and engaging with OEMs globally.

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#81

[Interpreted] Yes. So as Bobby mentioned, this is something we have been doing from the past, but especially '21, '22, we have deepened direct dialogue with OEM more broadly and more deeply. We are engaging with OEMs. And so this, I think, is a big turning point for us in coming back from the share loss. Previously, we had really bet on the mega Tier 1. That was our product definition, focusing on the mega Tier 1. We still have that perspective. But how will the OEMs adopt this product. Now we have a kind of a broader perspective. So compared to the past, perhaps we can say we have a more less risk, less volatility product development.

Operator

operator
#82

Now moving on to the next question. SMR, Michael Reznik.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#83

In terms of the point on the AI gold rush, can you just talk about where you feel you have market leadership in terms of GPU, CPU and IoT markets?

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#84

[Interpreted] All right. Chris, please begin. Chris?

Chris Allexandre

executive
#85

I think it's a bit too early as the market just really started to declare market leadership. What I can see is, on the client side, we are clearly the innovator, okay? And we're the first one to capitalize on the disruption with the AI PC combining PMIC and VR. On the SoC side, we are engaged today with leading CSPs as well as SoCs. So we are clearly among the top in terms of engagement from an AI perspective, yes.

Operator

operator
#86

[Interpreted] Next, we'd like to take questions from Yamasaki from Nomura Securities.

Masaya Yamasaki

analyst
#87

[Interpreted] This is my second round to ask question. So automotive MCU, maybe it's related to this, but E/E architecture and if going beyond that, I feel like it's lower than I thought, but instead, it's going to be like MCU. There's going to be more portfolio. And I think this is something that's been happening for the past 3 years. And back then, there weren't MCUs, but then it started to increase. I think it was like 3, 4 years ago, there has been some shortage. And of course, the number of MCUs every -- like 3 or 4 years ago, we've been hearing about how it's supposed to expand. But on the other hand, E/E architecture, in terms of function, if it goes -- doesn't go well, I understand if that happens, then MCU numbers will increase. But then from here on, if E/E architecture is supposed to be developed, does that mean MCUs will start to -- the number of MCUs would decline? Is that the scenario? But of course, you don't know. The functions enhancement versus the architect or MCU numbers, is there any like a correlation here?

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#88

[Interpreted] Well, thank you very much for that question. Maybe, Vivek, I think you can -- you should answer that. So E/E architecture as it develops, what's going to happen to the number of MCU, in other words, MCU demand? Is there going to be any implementation because E/E architecture -- I mean, what's that going to impact our automotive side of the business? So Vivek-san, please?

Vivek Bhan

executive
#89

Thank you, and thank you for asking that question. As far as E/E architecture is concerned, we are seeing all flavors of E/E architecture, as I presented before. The original domain architecture, in some cases OEMs are carrying some of that domain and adding some zone components to it and then a progression towards complete zone. And the amount of content that gets integrated in the MCU based on what type of architecture you adopt is different. From a Renesas' perspective, we have a product portfolio that caters to all these hybrid combinations, full zone, some zone plus domain or pure domain. So we are well positioned to service the different needs from an E/E architecture perspective. As zones become more prominent and hybrids become more permanent, there is more integration of content happening within the MCU. So we are seeing that as an exciting change as more functions get added to automotives and the zonal architecture controls it, there is opportunity to have more content size from a pure MCU perspective. As for the question on total number of MCUs, from the data we have seen, we don't expect that to significantly change or grow. It will grow at a reasonable pace, but not significant pace. But what will change is the type of MCUs that are used and the type of IT and innovation that gets integrated into those products.

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#90

[Interpreted] Yes. And if I may also add a little more to what Vivek just answered, so especially what's happening around our MCUs, so E/E architecture, domain zone, rather than the evolution around there, for example, if it's 28-nano MCUs there's like a cross-domain concept, and there's going to be a little more kick off there. In other words, a richer MCU, if that's going to be provided, that richer MCUs, if you will, can be provided into various areas. So this 1 MCU, if it is richer, could be used. So that's exactly what we explained earlier. So that's something that we introduced with this Omega. But then when we tried that, of course, there's a lot of issues around cost. And we then found that and said, instead of that rich MCUs, poor functioning MCUs started to become required. So that's -- so in other words, our expectation to MCUs, it wasn't that we hit it wrong. It was just this integration of MCUs started to go around in some of the more different way that we -- there was a different shift in these functions around MCUs than we initially have been thinking. So the number that with the centralized computing, it's not that we'd be expecting a decline in this demand of MCU numbers because if we still find that part of demand be robust, there will still be a growth. And that's really the thought that we maintained for the past few years.

Masaya Yamasaki

analyst
#91

[Interpreted] And my second question, it's about server power supply. So we heard about power contents. And yes, there's going to be increase in contents, I understand. But then people -- a lot of people are trying to be strong in this space with power. And so looking at your own portfolio, like Silicon, Wide Bandgap [indiscernible] increase your portfolio, what you need to do. I understand that. But is there anything around power? Is there going to be any new -- or do you think what you have is like a complete set of solutions now? For example, behind the rack, is there more that's happening? Do you find any issues? Or I mean, how complete do you think you are in terms of the portfolio here?

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#92

[Interpreted] So, Chris, can you answer. So if there's any areas that we need to fill in more within the portfolio and where could be the emerging needs from now? So Chris, can you address that question, please?

Chris Allexandre

executive
#93

I mean you're never complete enough. That would be my first answer. Now, with the product we have today, we have a lot on our hands to deliver the solution that our customer needs. I talked about the expansion of the portfolio with new products. I also talked about redirecting some of the product we have. For instance, we never addressed with our facts and discretes, historically, the infrastructure business. We are doing that now and using the engagement we have with those big CSPs and vendors and suppliers to be able to drive more content. GaN, as you mentioned, will also make its way into the infrastructure space. So I would say we're never complete enough, but I think we have this vision of using all the technologies, all the IPs we have, and close the gap when we have a gap like with GaN to be able to serve that business for the next 5 to 10 years.

Unknown Executive

executive
#94

[Interpreted] Are there any other questions? [Operator Instructions] We are accepting questions from analysts, media, investors. And if you have a repeat question, that is fine, even if you have already asked questions. We are accepting questions. [Operator Instructions]

Operator

operator
#95

[Interpreted] Next question is from M&A Online. [ Itonaga-san ], please.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#96

[Interpreted] My name is Itonaga from M&A Online. I'd like to ask President Shibata. Today, you talked to some extent about M&A. But over the past 5 years, you have already done some major M&As. And I'd like to ask how you view the track record of your past M&A? What have been your -- the result of M&A in terms of revenue or other results?

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#97

[Interpreted] Well, I have provided constant update on the past M&A, focusing on cost synergy and revenue-driven synergy. I have tried to provide a regular update. And basically, if such an M&A has been on track, and so we can provide a detailed update since it will be rather a repeat of what we have said in the past. So the conclusion here is so far so good. Basically, the investments have been in line with our expectations. Of course, there are some positive aspects or negative aspect. Infrastructure power, this originally comes from the Intersil acquisition, which has really expanded successfully. And there are some other businesses that have not grown as much. But overall, I believe that the M&As have met or exceeded our expectations. Of course, you can just look at the numbers or the objective facts, we have delivered results. But what is most important for us through the acquisition is the people, for each organizational layer or the acquisition is obtaining talent. And there are 6 members that are shown on the screen, but 3 out of the 6 joined Renesas through acquisitions. So half of these top leaders came through acquisitions and leveraging our technology. Our strength in Renesas and in the companies that joined Renesas, we are able to provide new solutions and deliver results. That, I think, is the most important thing. And so, so far so good. And we'd like to continue to evolve our culture, evolve our solution, focusing on the human resources. That is my thought regarding past M&A.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#98

[Interpreted] If I could add a follow-up question. You talked about $1 billion to $2 billion level of M&A going forward, not a big acquisition, but more of a $1 billion to $2 billion level acquisition. Do you consider a start-up acquisition as well in Japan? Or would you consider more established companies with like manufacturing capabilities rather than start-ups, if you have any thoughts regarding this?

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#99

[Interpreted] In terms of the tuck-in or bolt-on type acquisitions, we will continue to proactively look for opportunities, so no change in that stance. Most recently, a Transphorm could be one example. But [indiscernible] last year, which is an NFC Australia company that we acquired. So we'll continue to work on these acquisitions. And $1 billion to $2 billion, this is just an idea. We're not saying that we won't do acquisitions like $2.5 billion, as I can't really commit in terms of the number. But what I want to say is that we're not going to accumulate $6 billion, $10 billion types of acquisitions going forward. We'd be looking for a smaller level of acquisition, and we would like to continue to look for such opportunities to accelerate our growth. That's the message that I want to deliver.

Operator

operator
#100

[Interpreted] Now moving on to the next question, which is from UBS, Mr. Yasui.

Kenji Yasui

analyst
#101

[Interpreted] I have 2 questions then. The first question regarding MCR memory. According to my understanding, the AI accelerator will be mostly HCR, and so MCR's target market, what kind of applications? It's not going to be the general service. Is that correct? So if you could define on that, that would be appreciated. And CXL, Compute Express Link function will also be added. So what would be the role of MCL? What kind of functions are you going to highlight? And what will we be driving the adoption? That's my first question. My second question is for Vivek, ADAS. Market prediction is very difficult in this space, I believe, according to my understanding at least. So my question is that the number of customers, is it really growing, is it declining, like Apple stopping their autonomous driving project, which is rumored about? And of course, Tesla has their own development program. So is the number of customers actually increasing? That's my second question. And, of course, competitors cultivating customers on there and also custom ASICs, these are the only companies that are now emerging. So what about the number of competitors? Is it decreasing or increasing? So can you also comment on the competitive landscape? So that's another question that I have.

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#102

[Interpreted] All right. Then the first question, MCR, MR memory, that will be focused on the comparative comparison between the 2, so what are the needs and the applications? That will be answered by Davin. And the ADAS market will be commented, including the competitors' movements, Vivek. Davin, please begin.

Davin Lee

executive
#103

So with any new innovative technology, the early adopters will be the higher-end segment. And in this particular case, it will be the AI optimized server market. MCR actually coexists with HBM in order to maximize the performance. So we see early adopters being the AI optimized servers. But once it becomes an industry standard after it gets ratified by [indiscernible], we also see that technology proliferating potentially into general servers, too, right? So just like any innovative technology, you start with the high-end applications, and over time, it moves down to more of the generic applications. That's how we see the trend for MCR.

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#104

Vivek?

Vivek Bhan

executive
#105

Let me take the question on ADAS. So in the ADAS market, OEMs are continuously evolving their solutions so that they can upgrade from Level 2 to Level 2+ to Level 3. So the amount of technology that is being integrated in ADAS compute, specifically central compute as well as MCUs continues to grow. And that provides opportunity for suppliers like Renesas, who not only provide the technology, but also have a very significant and strong history with safety and reliability, which is important for ADAS. So that's point number one. Number two is from a competitor, there are competitors in the market. But if you look from a Renesas' perspective, we have the full complete solution for ADAS. When I say full solution, we are addressing central compute for the highest premium segment to the lower segments to the beginning segments. We have a full scalable flexible portfolio of customers to take different ADAS solutions into different markets. On top of that, as I mentioned, we are very unique as a company where we not only offer SoCs but also do MCUs. And we are able to bring forward how to integrate software frameworks that are not only applicable to SoCs but also to MCUs so that OEMs that are looking to upgrade have options for scalability, reusability and flexibility for ADAS solutions. On top of that, with chiplet concepts, we have our central compute from Renesas, some combination of accelerators, but also flexibility that OEMs are looking to add some of their unique IP or technology also to our solutions. That open platform compared to our competition is also building a lot of interest in what we offer. So the flexibility, scalability part is there, the open platform and then the capability to offer a very similar infrastructure for SoCs, cross-over MCUs that Shibata-san mentioned to MCUs at the lower end are all reasons why OEMs and market has interest in Renesas products.

Unknown Executive

executive
#106

[Interpreted] Thank you very much. It is now the scheduled time. And so we'd like to end the Q&A session. Can we ask Mr. Shibata to give a comment to close the session today.

Hidetoshi Shibata

executive
#107

[Interpreted] I know we spent a long time, but thank you very much for joining this session today. It's long, but we did have a lot of [indiscernible]. I'm sure there were some parts of the presentation that you probably would have liked to hear more, but this is really the way we'd like to start. Hopefully, we'll be able to have this session on a regular basis. I hope you'd be taking it that way. As for our business, in my session, I did not -- I intentionally did not use the word diversification. But then like we have been using before, the term diversification really illustrates what we have been doing. And so that's how, at the moment, we've been able to pretty much control the peak and trough because we've been able to diversify. And in the second session -- second half session, we did talk about our growth vectors. In other words, it's not just AI. There are several that we have in mind. And I think you've been able to see that today. And so to this growth vector, our exposure, maybe there are some that we don't, at the moment, would not have exposure, that much exposure yet. So it's not that we'd be expecting an exponential growth over here. But then we do have several strong factors, which is going to really support our future growth. And that's my thought. So again, within our previous -- I do believe our past strategies are really working well. And now with this new digitalization aspect, we do believe we should be able to further seek a very stable growth. And that's exactly what we expect to see. So I hope you'd be able to look forward to what we'll be able to show you. And once again, thank you very much for joining this session.

Unknown Executive

executive
#108

[Interpreted] Thank you. And with that, we'd like to close Renesas 2024 Capital Market Day. Today's material and recording will be posted on our IR website. The posting of the videos will show up on our IR website from evening Tokyo time. Once again, thank you very much for joining.

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